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"Ganglord" video directed by Dennis Roberts posted

posted by davidt on Sunday March 07 2010, @10:00AM

Uncleskinny writes:

Great find by user Ripper (original thread in the forums, additional info)...

There is some unseen footage of Moz and the lads in this.

http://vimeo.com/9569824

Update: 03/08 14:31 GMT: The original vimeo link has been made private but the video is available on other sharing sites.

Update: 03/10 16:55 GMT: jeff992 writes:

This is Evergreen Cemetery in Boyle Heights (Los Angeles). Was there this morning visiting family members grave sites and took some pictures of parts that were in the video.

I'm not sure if any of the statues are the exact ones in the video or not. But you'll see the El Pino tree that someone mentioned in the forum. It's at around 1:26 of the video in the background. Also the row of tall thin trees. And the wall of murals that the guys in the video are standing next to a few times. In the video, it looks like you can see some Japanese headstones and there are many Japanese buried at Evergreen.

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YouTube link from musicalcat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFy_fQvyP_U

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Splendid (Score:2, Insightful)

Don't care about the provenance of this, it's nice to have it. As others have said elsewhere, this song is strong enough to have been a stand-alone single, but we've said that about Jack The Ripper, Lost, Teenage Dad....

uncleskinny * -- Sunday March 07 2010, @10:12AM (#349986)
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Re: Superb . . . Absolutely Superb. by Piccadily (Score:1) Thursday March 11 2010, @02:40AM

Morrissey Is GOD (Score:0, Funny)

Morrissey is God and that song and video prove it!

Anonymous -- Sunday March 07 2010, @10:36AM (#349988)

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Re:Morrissey Is GOD by Anonymous (Score:0) Sunday March 07 2010, @10:53AM

Download link (Score:2, Informative)

Download link:
http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=107752

joesellmozza -- Sunday March 07 2010, @10:56AM (#349990)
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Eh Up Kids (Score:1)

But where's Our Boz though?

Hello Indie -- Sunday March 07 2010, @11:10AM (#349991)
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Let me read this catalogue of vinyl flooring.

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Re:Eh Up Kids by Anonymous (Score:0) Sunday March 07 2010, @03:26PM
Re: Our Boz and Our Matt . . by Piccadily (Score:1) Wednesday March 10 2010, @11:50AM

Release, Release, RELEASE!!! (Score:0)

Absolutely brilliant. SURELY this would do well if released via whatever means - facebook campaign or whatever the modern methods are.

Tragically I know it wouldn't do well which is truly bewildering when you here the state of popular music. Lady Gaga? Dizzee Rascal? Both seemingly idolised. Something has to change...

Anonymous -- Sunday March 07 2010, @11:28AM (#349993)

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Re:Release, Release, RELEASE!!! by Anonymous (Score:0) Sunday March 07 2010, @01:00PM

east los angeles EL PINO (Score:1)

you can see El Pino in the background when he's in the cemetery.

vatos locos forever.

palare -- Sunday March 07 2010, @12:02PM (#349994)
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Gaplords (Score:1, Insightful)

Those gang members are about as cleancut and watered down as I have ever never seen in EastLos. This can't be a real release. Look at the quality of video versus the film that the band members and Morrissey are in.

Anonymous -- Sunday March 07 2010, @01:14PM (#350000)

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Re:Gaplords by goinghome (Score:1) Sunday March 07 2010, @02:16PM
Re:Gaplords by Anonymous (Score:0) Wednesday March 10 2010, @03:49PM
- Re:Gaplords by goinghome (Score:1) Wednesday March 10 2010, @03:56PM

great (Score:0)

Just great!! perfect video for the song!

Anonymous -- Sunday March 07 2010, @02:09PM (#350002)

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Moz still loves LA (Score:2, Interesting)

..and I loved the video. Reminds me of Tomorrow & The More You Ignore Me minus Alain, Gaz and Boz of course. And agree with a previous post...why not get some real homies rather that some wanna be actors.

Anonymous -- Sunday March 07 2010, @02:27PM (#350004)

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Re:Moz still loves LA by Anonymous (Score:1) Monday March 08 2010, @08:28PM

Hmmm (Score:3, Insightful)

Does nobody else think this mystery new video has come at a very convenient time? No record deal, no publicity and suddenly this?

Anonymous -- Sunday March 07 2010, @04:25PM (#350009)

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ehh not bad (Score:1)

the footage of the teenagers kinda ruins it for me. they should have just stuck with one or two people.

leedoggpimp <leedoggpimp@hotmail.com> -- Sunday March 07 2010, @05:56PM (#350010)
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True friends stab you in the front.

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Poor old computer: (Score:1)

My computer's not up to snuff for a smooth ride but it was smooth enough to see I like it.

redpathetic <redpathetic@yahoo.com> -- Sunday March 07 2010, @06:34PM (#350011)
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ganglord (Score:1)

what's with the password protection? :(

joeythepony -- Sunday March 07 2010, @07:51PM (#350013)
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Yikes! (Score:2, Informative)

Quite a bummer that this video has been privatized. I guess there were some legal issues and crap involved. Oh well, at least some of us were fortunate enough to have seen it. But i'm sure some internet wizard will still post it on YouTube somehow.

Anonymous -- Sunday March 07 2010, @08:30PM (#350017)

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I guess the video wasn't meant to be posted?? (Score:1, Insightful)

Now it's password protected. It wasn't before.

Anonymous -- Sunday March 07 2010, @07:55PM (#350014)

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password please (Score:2, Informative)

ERRRR? How about the password as I tried "password" and it didn't take . . .

Moz's milk -- Sunday March 07 2010, @08:09PM (#350016)
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nice... however.. (Score:1)

another dramatic video, loved the black and white however if i had a choice for a video off the swords album, or neo b-sides in general i would have chose "my dearest love' especially keeping with the dark tones and blanche et noir feel to the song, just an opinion. with all that vented great video

nursejuju -- Sunday March 07 2010, @09:49PM (#350018)
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Private Now? (Score:1, Insightful)

I think it was suppose to be a private footage, or to be realesed sometime....anyway Loved it, and I love that Morrissey is dancing with Jesse as if he was giving him a lesson, but wow Morrissey knows the waltz how awesome... Anyway the Cemetery must be the one by Cezar Chavez in East Los Angeles. Footage from the Murals go well with the video.

Anonymous -- Sunday March 07 2010, @10:39PM (#350020)

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Let's dance by orlando (Score:1) Friday March 12 2010, @01:15AM

Trying Too Hard (Score:1)

Was Dennis Roberts trying to recreate How Soon is Now?

Hello Indie -- Monday March 08 2010, @12:47AM (#350023)
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Password (Score:1)

Does anybody know which password to use?

Reint -- Monday March 08 2010, @12:54AM (#350024)
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On YouTube (Score:3, Informative)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFy_fQvyP_U [youtube.com]

musicalcat -- Monday March 08 2010, @01:10AM (#350025)
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Re:On YouTube by Dolly Wilde (Score:1) Monday March 08 2010, @11:30AM

lol (Score:0)

Morrissey looks like Elton John dancing with his 'partner'.

Anonymous -- Monday March 08 2010, @04:21AM (#350027)

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Re:lol by Georgissey (Score:1) Monday March 08 2010, @11:01AM
"May I have the honour of the next dance?" by Dolly Wilde (Score:1) Monday March 08 2010, @11:57AM

Heads Will Roll (Score:1)

I'm confused as to whether this video was supposed to be posted publicly, and whether it was a genuine mistake or whether it was a sneaky leek.

If it was then heads will roll, surely?.

Hello Indie -- Monday March 08 2010, @05:30AM (#350032)
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Re:Heads Will Roll by Piccadily (Score:1) Friday March 12 2010, @02:06AM

Ganglord, the po - lice are (Score:0)

I love the way Morrissey times the singing of this line. Only he could place it that way into a song. it's seemingly simple tricks like this that make him a genius. Yamaha

Anonymous -- Monday March 08 2010, @07:54AM (#350036)

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"I went-a walkin', after midnight...." (Score:2, Insightful)

How many videos of Morrissey and the "lads"
walking through the streets do we need to see?

Good grief. It's a bit repetetive already!

Love the song, and there were good moments of the video, to be sure, but it all feels so 1992...

Georgissey -- Monday March 08 2010, @10:59AM (#350041)
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Re:"I went-a walkin', after midnight...." by Celibate Cry (Score:1) Tuesday March 09 2010, @01:53AM
Re:"I went-a walkin', after midnight...." by Anonymous (Score:0) Tuesday March 09 2010, @09:54AM
- Re:"I went-a walkin', after midnight...." by Georgissey (Score:1) Tuesday March 09 2010, @03:30PM
  - Re:"I went-a walkin', after midnight...." by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday March 11 2010, @11:02AM

a very beautiful video (Score:2, Interesting)

for a very strong song.
I like the contrast between palm trees / sunny places and the black-and-white rendering.
And Morrissey's "Ganglord" sadly recalls me a lot of places in the "civilised" world, where people are confined to ghettos whose walls are not necesseraly physical, but not less hard to break. :(

(sorry for my rusty English)

Dolly Wilde -- Monday March 08 2010, @11:50AM (#350044)
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When was this filmed . . . ? (Score:2, Interesting)

Morrissey seems very thoughtful and composed . . . he looks beautiful as always, am very grateful to see this film, thank you for the password bypass link!

He is teaching Jesse to dance, in his own very kind and thoughtful way, you can feel and see the compassion here, it is truly beautiful.

One concern though - am a little worried about M, the . . . the Angels at the end appear to be swallowed up by shadows, the light can never be extinguished Morrissey.

There Is A Light That Never Goes Out . . . the light of a pure love.

IX

Piccadily -- Monday March 08 2010, @01:35PM (#350047)
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Re: When was this filmed . . . ? by hand in glove (Score:1) Wednesday March 10 2010, @06:31PM

not too sharp (Score:1, Informative)

It's not really that great a video. I wish it were, but the harsh truth is it's a poor video. That's why it probably wasn't meant to see the light of day.

And that helicopter in the video is not LAPD, but it is a USAF HH60G Pavehawk. The director should've licensed Blue Thunder. That helicopter really did chase people back into the ghetto.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Thunder

Anonymous -- Monday March 08 2010, @05:56PM (#350053)

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Re:not too sharp by Anonymous (Score:0) Monday March 08 2010, @06:59PM
- Re: Love by Piccadily (Score:1) Tuesday March 09 2010, @12:41PM
  - Re: Love by Anonymous (Score:0) Tuesday March 09 2010, @01:57PM

Ganglord! (Score:1)

Oh!! That was fantastic! It's one of my favorite songs and I am SO happy to see this video! What a nice thing to come home to after a very long day at work!

I like to dance in cemeteries, too... :P

hand in glove -- Monday March 08 2010, @06:11PM (#350054)
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nothing special (Score:0)

Whilst I like just about any vid that Moz appears in, this was nothing outstanding. It wasn't horrible... wasn't great. Absolutely love the song and it deserved more. I'm guessing that's why it didn't get a proper release.

Anonymous -- Monday March 08 2010, @07:13PM (#350057)

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Gay (Score:0)

...in a cute way.

Anonymous -- Tuesday March 09 2010, @12:51AM (#350062)

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a wierd feeling (Score:2, Informative)

It does seem a bit stitched together. Footage of band is shot separately from footage of those models. I think that is pretty obvious. If it was ligit we would have seen it 4 years ago. And if it was for Swords then we'd have seen it 6 months ago.Just doesn't seem right but with that said it's nice to see either way.

marred -- Tuesday March 09 2010, @05:41PM (#350082)
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Re: This was filmed . . . by Piccadily (Score:1) Tuesday March 09 2010, @08:15PM

Re: This was filmed . . . by Celibate Cry (Score:1) Wednesday March 10 2010, @08:48AM

Re: This was filmed . . . by Piccadily (Score:1) Wednesday March 10 2010, @11:10AM

Re: This was filmed . . . by Anonymous (Score:0) Wednesday March 10 2010, @12:29PM

Re: This was filmed . . . by Piccadily (Score:1) Wednesday March 10 2010, @01:41PM

Re: This was filmed . . . (Score:2, Interesting)

This was definitely filmed very recently. The memorial wall around which Moz and the guys are standing from 1:08 to 1:12 was just dedicated this week: http://thesource.metro.net/2010/03/08/dedication-of-memorial-wall-held-at-evergreen-cemetary/ [metro.net]

By the way is your name IX? That is the name I gave my son.

HeliotropX -- Friday March 12 2010, @05:55PM (#350149)
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A rush and a push and the land that We stand on is ours It has been before So it shall be again

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Re: This was filmed . . . by Anonymous (Score:0) Saturday March 13 2010, @02:08PM
Re: Thank you HeliotropX . . . by Piccadily (Score:1) Saturday March 13 2010, @02:02AM
Re: ambiguous . . . by Anonymous (Score:0) Saturday March 13 2010, @03:16PM

Evergreen Cemetery (Score:3, Interesting)

This is Evergreen Cemetery in Boyle Heights. Was there this morning visiting family members grave sites and took some pictures of parts that were in the video. Not sure how to post them on here though. How do I do that?

jeff992 -- Tuesday March 09 2010, @07:29PM (#350085)
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Next Video (Score:2, Funny)

Morrisseys next video shall be directed by me and will be 3mins 12seconds of Elton Welsby working behind the counter at Subway on Salford Precinct. A la Everyday is like Sunday, he will be speaking to customers whilst making sandwiches etc but the song will be the only sound we hear. At the very end of the song (which will be called 'Jumble Sale Jim') we will see Morrissey close the nets from a flat on the top floor of Beech Ct, which as we all know sits opposite the precinct and Subway - just behind the Gala Bingo.

Morrissey, I await your acceptance fax.

ManAlive -- Wednesday March 10 2010, @06:33AM (#350091)
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Re: Subway order . . . by Piccadily (Score:1) Wednesday March 10 2010, @11:55AM
- Re: Subway order . . . by ManAlive (Score:1) Thursday March 11 2010, @06:32AM
  - Re: A Flask at 05:00am . . . by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday March 11 2010, @02:15PM
Re:Next Video by Celibate Cry (Score:1) Friday March 12 2010, @08:21AM

City of Angels (Score:2, Insightful)

I think Jeff992 may have solved the mystery of the locale. What convinced me was the photos of the lion headstone and the japanese monument with the saints/angel iconography. Horray for Jeff992.

I think this is a better-than-average music video. The graininess and lens flair adds to the moody atmosphere. I liked how the young actors mimiced the stone angels and Morrissey's stances where he held his arms in back of his head like makeshift wings.

Truely a nice tribute to stone angels, human angels and pop star angels all around.

mozmic_dancer -- Wednesday March 10 2010, @02:31PM (#350101)
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Re:City of Angels by goinghome (Score:1) Wednesday March 10 2010, @03:22PM
Re:City of Angels by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday March 11 2010, @08:43PM

It makes me nervous.. (Score:0)

It makes me nervous when morrissey hangs out in the ghetto.

Anonymous -- Wednesday March 10 2010, @04:36PM (#350106)

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ok so... (Score:0)

where are the gangsters?

Anonymous -- Wednesday March 10 2010, @05:28PM (#350107)

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Great video! (Score:0)

If only Moz and the boys could make a video as good as this....

Anonymous -- Wednesday March 10 2010, @06:32PM (#350109)

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Thank you (Score:3, Informative)

Thank you, Uncleskinny, Ripper, Jeff992, and of course Moz, Jesse and Solomon.

This really made me smile on a completely crap day.
Yes, Evergreen is very well known with a lot of history. It has a large population of Japanese Americans buried there because they were not allowed in other cemeteries after the WWII mass incarceration. There are also a great many other historic LA figures buried there. I encourage anyone interested to go. There is also a nice walking path around the outside perimeter of the cemetery if anyone cares for a jog. ...all those people, all those lives, where are they now?

Cheers,
romeogirl

romeogirl -- Wednesday March 10 2010, @11:06PM (#350112)
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Re:Thank you (Score:3, Insightful)

Am I alone here? I don't like it, I think he should stop making videos until he finds someone who'll make a good one. Those kids running up and down, my god I hate the kids. At least he's not lip-sinching on this one.
There have been worse (You have killed me), but this one is nothing but a gif-heaven.

Also (nervously awaiting for critics and punches), I'm a bit sick of Morrissey doing semi-controversial things just to have his fans talking. The bare ass, the almost bare shots, dancing with Jesse... It's now more than obvious to me that he either visits or has someone visit Solo for him.
I never wanted to love a controversial artist, there are hundreds of those, I loved Morrissey because he was authentic, and he's throwing all that away (for me). On top of that, his last albums have not been of my liking, and I dislike his current line-up.
I'm still a fan, or whatever you wanna call it, but I'll be sticking to the previous Moz, going back to the early interviews and the early albums. Maybe with a change in the line-up...

A wise Johnny Marr once said "I don't agree with controversy for controversy's sake, everyone can see through that".
Dancing with Jesse?? That's just eye candy for fans, I see nothing authentic or original there.

dicartwright -- Thursday March 11 2010, @08:15AM (#350117)
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Re:Thank you by mozmic_dancer (Score:1) Thursday March 11 2010, @09:13AM

Re:Thank you (Score:2, Interesting)

"Let me go out of a limb and be controversial for controversial sake by saying that alot of people here recognize the similarities between this video and "How Soon is Now", so would it be fair for me to say that if this video was released by the Smiths and the young actors in this video were English and not Latino, that everyone here would be pissing all over themselves with plaudits?"

Certainly not in my case. I hated both videos on sight, finding them dull and pretentious. Nothing to do with era or nationality.

The Cat's Mother -- Thursday March 11 2010, @04:46PM (#350129)
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Re:Thank you (Score:3, Insightful)

thank you for your kind words, really :)

I have nothing about the aesthetics of the video, I love black and white and grainy. I doubt Morrissey sits with a PR to decide whether or not his fans need more fuel, seriously, but I think the fruits of some of his work lately seem (to me) to have more to do with having people talking of controversy than releasing art or expressing his point of view. Then again, this is a man who has often said that artists must, above all, be different. And I disagree with that. Trouble will love you if you release 3 nude photos in a short period of time, I think. It's fine for some people, I just tent to expect more from Morrissey. It's Morrissey! I always have a mouthfull of good things to say about him, but lately it's having more and more to do with his looks than anything else, and I hate that.

Who here hasn't danced with a mop?? :D Look, if I could believe it's a light moment, I'd be happy, even not liking Jesse. Morrissey can dance with Steve Martin for the sake of a light moment if it's up to me. But I don't. After the Les Inrockuptibles interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXxyCCIFLfM [youtube.com]), comments of "how" he was looking at Jesse here or there, and "do you think they", flowed like wine. After one the "nude" photos, comments on "see how he's touching Jesse??" abounded. And I mean, I couldn't care less about the silly comments, God knows I've made a few for the sake of a light moment myself :P , but that's something I accept in the name of good art, and that, to me (underline that), it's been lacking.

Leave me with the "barbarism" dance with Johnny, I'm happy there in my shell.

But all in all, you may be right, except that I'm not having a bad day but some bad years. Some lights in the darkness have been for me "It's not your birthday anymore", "Life is a pigsty", and very little more. Beyond that, when I look at it I find it's all about the joy of new great photos, or old newfinds.

I prefer, and this has just come to mind, the THPGU video. Those type of words work for me if the artist in question is not too keen on making videos.

dicartwright -- Friday March 12 2010, @10:05AM (#350144)
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Re:Thank you by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday March 11 2010, @01:31PM

Re:Thank you by romeogirl (Score:1) Friday March 12 2010, @12:11AM
- Re:Thank you by Je Suis Julie (Score:1) Friday March 12 2010, @04:17PM

also... (Score:1)

aww I replied where I wasn't supposed to :P

Anyway, I just want to add that for a long time I seem to only have good comments for his looks and not much on everything else, on what really should matter. That's just wrong isn't it? Looks and controversy doesn't make it for me.

dicartwright -- Thursday March 11 2010, @08:24AM (#350118)
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Great song... dull video (Score:0)

Sorry, but it's just dull. People walking around LA and not doing much else. Shots of Moz in a cemetery, looking morose, which he excels at. Is it just me, or was this video a bit... boring?

Anonymous -- Thursday March 11 2010, @12:27PM (#350123)

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what the hell was that? (Score:1)

I LOVE MOZ but this is a piece of crap video .He could have did alot better,this is one of the best Moz songs he has made.

mozdamo -- Thursday March 11 2010, @04:33PM (#350128)
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sorry guys (Score:1, Insightful)

lousy video, lousy song.

sucre -- Thursday March 11 2010, @05:31PM (#350130)
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Re:sorry guys by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday March 11 2010, @08:46PM

Cool video (Score:1)

I thought it was a pretty cool video.Morrissey looks great in it as always.

tibby -- Friday March 12 2010, @01:25AM (#350140)
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~I am a poor freezingly cold soul so far from where I intended to go ~I love Morrissey

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hahahahaha (Score:2, Funny)

Morrissey and Jesse dancing.

Moz looks like a big poofter!

Anonymous -- Friday March 12 2010, @02:10AM (#350142)

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I fowt (lol) i can spell (Score:0)

best hes put out for years
fantastic since munich 58
classic
even though im liverpudlian

Anonymous -- Friday March 12 2010, @01:41PM (#350145)

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