Cunt!!

Spandeau Ballet and Kajagoogoo, you pretentious fuck.

MiM is kinda a peculiar record. It has my favourite Smiths song, That Joke..., on it, but there are some seriously weak songs on here compared to the final two studio albums. Barbarism is dull to listen to and the title track really is just....bad.

But please don't lynch me. Just my opinion.

How very rum...if it weren't from someone claiming to be a Smiths fan it would be much less bizarre. Likes the Queen is Dead but hates Meat is Murder? Doesn't make a huge amount of sense, does it?

Who had to Google this Jackie McKeown chap?

Follow a link from wikipedia to their myspace site and then fall asleep....No, I wont be rushing out to the shops to buy Rough Trade's latest next big thing.

No fear that musicians in the 2040's will be slagging his work off because no one will be saying in the 2000's that his work is brilliant or life changing.

Sad though I may be but the Smiths changed my life, forever. Because of The Queen is Dead I went to Salford University and because of Meat is Murder I've not eaten Meat for over 20 years, even today I work in Trafford (borough in South Manchester which includes Stretford) everytime I drive in or out of Old Trafford I deliberately drive down Kings Road singing "Under the Iron Bridge We Kissed...."

Boy, I wish I could be in some no-name Scottish band so I could see my ill-formed opinions in print.

Say what you want about Marr's end of the bargain. Aside from How Soon is Now (which doesn't really count) his best work is found elsewhere. Morrissey on the other hand cements his place as one of the greatest lyricist of our time.

It's unusual enough for a songwriter to say something devastatingly true. It is even more rare for them to say it using rhyming alliterations while periodically switching between rhyming structures... and that's just the opening track. Rusholme Ruffians, I Want The One..., That Joke.., Nowhere Fast. These songs are lyrical gems: double meanings, pithy wit, and the ability to be smart without forcing the listener to reach for a thesaurus. This album has it all.

Almost nobody is as good across their career as Morrissey is on this one album.

i couldn't disagree more.

What a bunch of shite. Put away your JT cds and listen to something real. Jack, you are overrated and you don't know JACK!
thetexasbloke

John McKeown is the former lead singer and guitarist for the Glasgow indie rock band The Yummy Fur.

Now known as Jackie McKeown, he is the frontman of a Scottish indie rock new band named 1990s (with Michael McGaughrin, a former drummer in band V-Twin and Jamie McMorrow, a former bass player with The Yummy Fur) and Bull Bill. They were signed to record label Rough Trade in December 2005.

still haven't a clue who this guy is? but i can't wait for the 1990s new album!

Its great that one of the Bay City Rollers has given his opinion on a Smiths album.

Meat is Murder is in my opinion the best Smiths album. Even better than The Queen Is Dead (gasp!).

One big reason for this- Nowhere Fast then Well I Wonder- flawless.

Headmaster Ritual...ok
Rusholme Ruffians...great
I want The One...ok
What She Said...Great
That Joke....amazing
Nowhere Fast....good
Well I Wonder...amazing
Barbarism...ok
Meat Is Murder...ok

7/10...but by no means shite in my opinion

Blasphemy

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well that was 72 words, but only one count

And who the hell are you, Mr '1990s'??

Meat is Murder was such a great, UNCOMMERCIAL pop gesture. I'll never forget that moment in time, and I'll never forget how Morrissey just floored everyone with his attitude, and his brilliance. Taken out of context it is a great album - in the context of the times, it was a knockout.

The guys probably heard the album once and he was about 2 when it was released. Well I Wonder is one of finest songs of the 80's and after the shoegazing of the first album this was a real step forward. Get real and stick to Cascada which is probably what you listen to most of the time!!

I was right... he was 7 when it was released!! He has no idea who or what the Smiths were and the way the made disaffected youths feel at the time. Review Wet Wet Wet or Texas or Bryan Adams which was around when you were a teenager. Go to Wikipedia put his name in and get a very fetching picture of a skeleton in a lumberjack shirt!

I just find it hard to understand why nobody likes "barbarism begins at home".
To me, it is one of the best smiths songs and the best on Meat is Murder along with "rusholme ruffians".

I've always prefered meat is murder to the queen is dead anyway.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion, and my opinion is ... you have no ears, heart or soul.

When your band (let alone your albums) are remembered in 20+ years time, then you can tell Morrissey he betrayed his ideology. To my mind (and ears) Meat Is Murder is EVERYTHING The Smiths were about.

that's what i think anyway. it has a staggering opening, marr's most audacious composition. lyrically the album sees morrissey shrugging off his more affected language (and persona) and becoming more confident, conversational and funny ('i'd like to drop my trousers to the world').

MIM is thematically the most complete Smiths album, with recurring images of cruelty and violence: by teachers on children, teenagers on each other, parents on children, humans on animals. the album title, besides being braver than 'never mind the bollocks', is more evocative (i think) than just a vegetarian slogan; it hints at the violence implicit in sexual desire, and how such undercurrents lurk in families, schools, romance - wherever humans hold power. the fact that it ends with meat is no mere add-on to the album, it's the conclusion of what's gone before. i also think marr's music on the title song is among his most beautiful.

sorry, i'll shut up. MIM contains "well i wonder" and the line: 'and though i walk home alone, my faith in love is still devout'. that's all i needed to say.

i reckon if MIM was the last thing the Smiths or Morrissey had ever done, we would still be here discussing it.

silly me i rose to the bait of some publicity-seeking fool. oh dear i've forgotten his name - i really have, i'm getting old

It's a good album and i can't see the point some guy critizizing it now.

I love these so called 'experts' who's opinion on anything should be put into print.

What did this bloke want , every album to sound as exactly as the one previously? and with regard to a protest album , the only track i can think of is 'meat' and rightly so.

Thats all the attention this twat is going to get from me.

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I've always thought that MIM is, BY FAR, the weakest Smiths album....but even a weak Smiths album is better than pretty much anyone else's best effort!

Quinn

I don't think it is fair to call Jack McKeown a 'cunt', just because he is critical about a (indeed not entirely brilliant) Smiths-album. Frankly, all Smiths-albums have slightly disappointed me ... Would have been much happier if the catalogue consisted entirely of 12"-singles ... Meat is Murder then should have been: The Headmaster Ritual, backed with Well, I Wonder and That Joke. The rest is, frankly, substandard material.

have always felt it is the weakest of smiths cds
not saying its bad, but in a fire it would be the last to be saved
love-
headmasters,rusholme ruffians,that joke isn't ,well i wonder
like - what she said ,A list lyrics (production ?)
i want the 1 the 1
nowhere fast
are ok,fine,not bad
and pass on the last 2

Protest album?
Yeah there's cow meat involved but songs like like Rushholme and Barbarism Begins at Home made you feel like " you were the meat or quarry."
For it's time and considering that the period when it was recorded ( during the 80's) it's still brilliant compare to what other artist was putting out visually and lyrically.
McKeown, I don't think you have any imagination or take things too literally. You just don't get it.

In my opinion, if it wasn`t for Meat Is Murder, the Smiths would quite simply hsve been an excellent band rather than a majestic band. It left every other album of the eighties a country mile behind. The production and execution were exemplary. For me in my teens to be handed a masterpiece like that.....well I still haven`t found anything to compare, and i don`t honestly think I ever will. Yamaha

There are so many Moz imitators on Myspace. Some of them try to do their hair like Morrissey or perform in bands that only do his songs (which would be a kick of course). There’s a ton of these bands on Myspace being Morrissey. But there is this one guy, his personality is totally like Moz, but he doesn’t do any Morrissey cover songs. He has his own style but his stuff is like the Smith’s. It’s weird, he doesn’t even look like Moz, but there’s just something crazy similar. I mean he loves Moz and all the Morrissey fans are flocking to his site. It’s only been up since February and there is a lot of Morrissey fans. Before he turned his website over to a webmaster he would post some pretty harshly critical opinions on all the Moz sites. You really need to check that website, it's www.myspace.com/noprognosis.

jack shit thats who...........

cant believe this made the news page.
if the Sun newspaper appeared here everytime they slagged off Mozz it would be here 3 times a fortnite.

its a bit like me when i slate the beatles. i know im up against it so i just keep schtum! so i guess thats wot this jackshit bloke should do.

sorry bout the dreadful english today, im tired and in pain.

ah sod it, i cant stand paul moancartney....ha said it.

im rambling im off 2 bed..............

What the fuck's up with people being unable to take a bit of criticism?

Even if someone has an opinion I disagree with, I tend to respect their view as everyone is different. In this case, however, I completely agree with the man in question. It's a horribly overrated album. Don't get me wrong, I do think three songs on it are wonderful, but who are you to call this lovely man a cunt? Or say that his opinion isn't valid as you don't know who he is? By your logic, I shouldn't take what you have to say onboard as I don't know who any of you are. Surely, we're all allowed opinions here for which we won't be slated as we're all Smiths fans. If someone who hated the Smiths or someone who'd never actually listened to them before decided to publicly bash them, of course they aren't as entitled to say that as they're obviously saying it for the sake of saying it. In THIS article, it is clearly stated at the start that Mr McKeown is in fact a Smiths fan, therefore, has the right to criticise.

As for these people who refuse to deal with the fact that Mr McKeown has said he doesn't like one album, I'm sure many of you, although perhaps unwilling to admit it, have thought that Morrissey's solo album, Kill Uncle was absolute gash.

Please do me a favour and go outside, it's lovely out there and you might learn how the real world works. Not everything that someone you love does is amazing, but that's the way things go and we have to move on and accept it. It'd be boring if everything was flawless.