Blah, blah, blah.....

Will be worthwhile? i don't think so.

More money for "the rythm section"

Does anyone know how to get in or get tickets for either of the instores dates?

Every retrospective becomes a war of must-have vs morality.

Is the film an 'expose' of relationships within the band (i.e. negativity and recrimination) or is it a celebration of their album making / touring with new footage? And either way, has Marr or Moz commented on it?

I can't right it off completely, because obviously, as a fan, I'm interested in what this film might contain. But also, as a fan, I'm concerned about the money making industry machine trotting out the same material again and again, only this time with pretty pink ribbons. I think some bloke from Manchester once wrote a song about this issue, which doesn't get quoted nearly enough ... unfortunately, the line in question escapes me.

And, obviously, being a droolingly slavish supporter of Morrissey (with absolutely no opinions of my own) the principle of giving money to a man who has gone out of his way to upset my hero, rankles somewhat.

In all honesty though, I can't get my head around the motivation of a man who claims to have no personal dislike of his former colleague, but then will chase the filthy pound to the doors of said colleague's friends and relatives; it's all a bit Machiavellian for my liking. However, if said man was suddenly to announce that he was giving most of the proceeds to charity, opinions might change somewhat.

Although, there'll be some out there who have no such dilemma, because they've got their head screwed on in a way which allows them to realise that they don't need to concern themselves with Morrissey's feelings in order to like his music. I always was too sensitive for my own good; bring on the agreement / derogatory comments / tumbleweed.

This is about as exciting as Andrew Ridgeley farting.

Maybe someone could go along and ask Joyce why hes still taking all of The Smiths royalties.

Joyce you are a joke and Andy I use to think you were cool but doing this lame DVD with Joyce, you ain't cool no more.

This is ridiculous, an absolute travesty of dignity on the part of Joyce and Rourke, but even more disgusting is that I'll buy it. Because I have to. I can't NOT watch it, simply because it has to do with Morose-y. I love him, so I'll give in, in the vain hope I'll learn something that somehow hasn't been divulged in the last 16 years of my fandom...So yes, the rhythm section are pathetic clinging vultures, but we are no better for buying into it, and I do not hold myself outside of that criticism, BELIEVE ME.

ALTERNATE VIEW:
No matter WHAT Morrissey says, at one time he and Joyce and Rourke were like BROTHERS. You can unearth old interviews saying as much. And when Johnny tried to deny him a farewell show at Wolverhampton, Joyce and Rourke not only indulged but played on his first few solo singles. Yes, obviously they were financially recompensed (maybe? Eh, Mozzer?) but they LOVED him. They have always spoke glowingly of him. And The Smiths would NOT have been the same without Rourke's treble-high rubber-band plucking basslines, nor Joyce's punk-informed fastidious drums. So in a sense, they have every right to do this. I'll love Mozzer til the end and I'll stick by his solo stuff as much as to ANY Smiths track, but these guys helped make the songs that saved our lives. Can anybody HONESTLY disagree?

Aaron Shloss
www.myspace.com/thebicycletragedy

Your responses to my comments comprised a lovely blend of illiteracy and ignorance. If I knew what you were trying to convey I'd have more vehemence in my response, naturally...but as it is, you've left me with little to go on.

I liked the Israel comment,tho...very perceptive of you.

My condolences to your mother, on her tireless efforts to scrub the semen from your carpet. One day, if you dream and save and wash regularly, perhaps you'll find a nice little Miss Anonymous to take your woes away.

Til then,
May brain cancer offer an excuse for your poor articulation ability,

Aaron Shloss aka the Bicycle Tragedy

i like the cover

further its a story of 4 men, 1 of them charish it as is child, 1 was the artistic man, and
2 people who were a part of a legendary band
[thats all about the highcourt judges i write]

i for one am too curious what they write, to neglect it.

sorry mr Morrissey/Marr

Yes the cover is great worth it just for that!!
Infact the coolest smiths cover I think

... ignore my post above and read what '9 x Fined' has posted beneath it. An apt reminder (if we needed one, or for those who missed it the first time around) from the mouth of Morrissey himself. Obviously some fans won't care that all royalties from Smiths merchandise go to Joyce, or that Morrissey has already paid him millions, but what everyone should be angry about is that Joyce has pursued his claims on legal aid. If that's true, then it makes me angry; I don't get taxed 22% of a shoddy income so some wealthy musician can deprive people who actually need financial help.

Why do u guysd have to own every piece of Smiths junk out there? You have the albums don't you? I will stay loyal to Moz and to my ownmorals and not donate money to that cunt Joyce.

isnt there a trailer of this documentary, it's
IMHO the best way to promote a DVD

about my comment above
the only thing in the Morrissey - Joyce ongoing
soap which made me kinda angry, and find it unbelieveble, is that Mike tried to cliam Morrissey's mum and sisters home
if you have beef with someone, dont attack people
who are not imvolved

futher i respect all 4, cause the were the f*****
Smiths, the best 80's band,theit legendary status
will only rise in the future

"Alongside in-depth interviews with the former Smiths, friends and fans including New Order's Peter Hook, The Fall's Mark E Smith, Buzzcocks frontman Pete Shelley, Ricky Wilson and Nick Hodgson of The Kaiser Chiefs and Ordinary Boys singer Preston offer their own unique insight into what made The Smiths so special."

Ok, now I know I'm getting this.

Thanks for reminding us of Morrissey's statement 9 x Fined.

Reading it again I can totally understand why Morrissey is so angry and has written so many songs about this. I’m angered by it and it has nothing to do with me.

I think it’s a crime that Joyce receives all royalties. Not only is he robbing royalties from Morrissey and Marr but he’s also taking them from Andy Rourke who was in the same financial situation as him.

Surely the whole point of him going to court in the first place was to get his fare share. Now he has more that his fair share and is still looking for more. That is when it becomes greed.

Just wondering.

Hey, It's cheaper to pre-order it here;

http://www.thehut.com/hut/8617068.product

Only £8.97 delivered - incl. postage costs! They deliver at least all over Europe, I'm not sure about the rest of the world...

Latest news is that Mike Joyce and Andy Rourke will be attending a preview screening at TV21 Club on Thomas Street,Manchester(in the Northern Quarter).
Screening at 8pm on Sunday 15 July,not sure if they'll be just introducing the DVD or there'll be a Q&A session.