Morrissey does not want to reunite with Marr because
Marr is washed up. Why pay a guy who can't play well anymore? Anything Marr has touched lately has turned
to poop. Morrissey knows better than to reunite with this has-been.

I didn't actually submit this; it's been taken from my posting on the forum.
Don't really mind but would have got some proper quotes in there if I knew it was going in as a news article.

Had another look at lunchtime. Marr does sound really quite negative about Moz in this piece although vaguey claims that he'd like to be friends. Marr explains why he turned down Joyce's request to play with him and Rourke at MEN arena, also rubbishes the court case and the way Joyce portrayed himself (innocent guy and against the two 'ogres').

Marr moans about the Cilla Black song and having to effectively be the band manager at the end.
He also states how he thinks the Smiths would have sounded if they'd kept going (couple of duff albums, another great one etc).

Jounralist observes Marr's defensive body language (arms crossed etc) when talk turns to Moz and Marr implies that many others would react the same way.

So a mixed piece. A lot of negativity towards Moz
but some vague grounds for optimism.

Hopefully someone will buy Mojo and scan this in so you won't have to rely on my sketchy memory.
Maurice

We have obtained a seed sample but it was old

just buy the damn magazine.

I haven't read the article yet, but it strikes me that Marr has always had different values to Morrissey when it comes to work, idealism and loyalty. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, as (to dial a cliche) opposites attract and a successful partnership ensues. However, whereas Marr seeks out new challenges and keeps an eye on the bigger picture, Morrissey maintains his focus on the minutae and is very singular in pursuit of a goal. I think they view relationships in these terms and therefore, Morrissey could never understand Marr's desire to move on, or his forgiving approach to the court case, neither could Marr understand why Morrissey should bear grudges towards former friends or want to (as Marr saw it) flog a dead horse by keeping the band together.
If Morrissey values a friendship I think (but I may be projecting my own experiences here) that he's loyal unto death, yet this can become a stifling experience; he will use that person as a sounding post for every idea, and as a crutch for every problem. If they should do something of which he doesn't approve he will then feel utterly betrayed, even when the friend may not have intended any harm.
Marr, on the other hand is much more philosophical; he's the type who can easily forgive (even if he doesn't forget) and thus mentioning the past isn't a spiteful act on his part, it's just a memory that exists in answer to a question.
Above all, what Marr desires out of life is the opportunity to do what he wants, when he feels like it and this comes across as flippancy and callousness to a person like Moz. What Morrissey wants out of life is the opportunity to prepare for different scenarios and achieve praise and love, this comes across as dictatorial and disfunctional to a person like Marr.
However, it's odd that the more extrovert of the two should maintain a position forever in the background, whilst the eternal awkward schoolboy becomes one of the most revered frontmen in pop history. Why is it that the most insecure people end up in the public eye?
The one thing that broke this partnership was the inabilty of both men to see things from the other's point of view; they might be very different in many respects, but they are both as stubborn as mules once they've found a project. Morrissey won't reform The Smiths because it would be a huge psychological step backwards on his part; he's spent 20 odd years getting over it. Marr is much more practical; he needs the money. That's not to say it means nothing to him though, he just doesn't express his feelings very well. To put my waffling into simpler terms, Marr is sense, whilst Morrissey is all sensibility.

I just heard a rumor on the radio that Morrissey is in negotians with Eddie Van Halen about being the new front man for Van Halen. If this is true we probably will not see a Morrissey/Marr collaboration.

I attended a Q&A session with Andy Rourke last night (at Pianos in NYC - overall the night was rather lame, but it was nice to meet Andy). Anyhoo...of course he was asked if the Smiths might reunite and if the band's pending induction into the R&R Hall of Fame might finally be the occasion for this. His answer was something along the lines of "We'd all love to, but Morrissey hasn't forgiven Mike".

My question to you is: would a Moz/Marr/Rourke reunion, sans Joyce, be any less of a reunion in your mind? I wouldn't in my mind, and I'm even a drummer! Just food for thought...

Well, stifling >? you must be joking !

Look now, 10 years later and they are all
running back, cap-in-hand, begging for mercy.

Dry my eyes.

Marr on Moz in "new" Mojo...

Swallowneck harbours a secret dream that the White Dice demos will soon appear and some kindly Moz Nut will tape a copy onto a blank C90 cassette...

Why does he long for these tracks? Well, he'd like a big fat slice of Johnny Marr's guitar playing to soothe away the pent up frustration in his gut!

personally i think they love one another deeply..

and for a million reasons

it's all just got too much..i mean they were loved but never exposed to the degree they deserved

and now we are surrounded by ner do well peasants heralded as genius before they have a single out..who then promptly are replaced within a few months....

so, obviously THE SMITHS have become the talismanic unreformed combo...

and i don't care what y'all say..a part of both of them wants to say "yes" .. but an equal proportion cries contrary...

and as a fan i'm the same..

for a million reasons

They played a clip on 'Get It On' by T-Rex. Then Jools asked if Visconti used the same process with Morrissey, and he replied that while Morrissey is not so technical, he's passionate and emotional in the studio, and he provides more an image, gist e.g. of a film, than an instruction to convey the effect he's looking for. Visconti gave some cordial advice to young hopefuls, and he did NOT refer to Marr (topic - phew!!)

It is astonishing how far Morrissey fans will go to qualify his behavior, and paint everyone that was ever involved with him, as the primary problem. Strike that, it's pathetic.

Morrissey has publically called Marr E.T.; has slagged his career output outside of The Smiths; has claimed hat they never really liked each other, and yet Marr is the one who seems to have an issue with Morrissey? Seriously, anyone who believes that will probably believe anything.

Marr even sent Morrissey a positive post card about his first solo effort when it came out.

Morrissey, by all accounts form The Smiths era, was the one who made decisions in the band difficult, and forced Marr to abandon the role of Moz nanny. Any human being who aspires to proper mental health would have done the same thing under similar circumstances.

I heard Noel has a home video of Stephen and Johnny going to town on each other's twig and berries, if you know what I mean...

If Morrissey could get the New York Dolls to reunite.. Why not the smiths? the smiths were just as important.Put all egos aside & Do it for the fans!

From the looks of it, Marr is now willing to to re-unite with Moz only for monetary reasons. That should never be the reason for a reunion. It should be organic. Fuck MArr's broke asss!!! Morrissey doesn't need him, and apparently after selling out the Hollywood bowl. Marr can go nibble on his little cheese from Modest Mouse.

Last month in Q Magazine there was a big piece on the break up of The Smiths (weird that nobody picked up on it here). At the end of it Marr said it was sad that things were the way they were between them and said "Life would be easier if we were friends".

"All You Need is Me" just took on another layer of meaning.

 

Marr is married to a woman. Morrissey is a poof.
Marr wins.

...but will it produce any relevant material.
Their older and less inspired too.
Let's hope anyway, someday it'll happen.

  is like cereal without milk.

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Morrissey - You Have Killed Me (Attack/Sanctuary)
Lawrence Poole
2/ 3/2006

STREWN casually across a railway line with a typically knowing smirk about to break across his face, the track's cover shot ironically seems to find Mozza in rude health.

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      A brilliant song, decent tune with, as per usual, witty and intelligient lyrics. Not really good for a single, a bit too subtle, but nonetheless a very good song.
Craig Scott, Aberdeen
3/03/2006 at 22:24
      it is without a doubt a song that grows on you, wasnt sure at first and cant stop singing it now.
jo, lincoln
3/03/2006 at 18:03 ..Yes,it'good,but don't have the impression that is liyrics is coming always more simple?
Devis, Italy
3/03/2006 at 16:42
      The opening line is brilliant, the chorus is catch and very typically Morrissey, but the last couple of bars are a disappointment lyrically. However, I am looking forward to the album and seeing him live. I have been a Morrissey fan since 1983.
Julie Grant, Newcastle upon Tyne
3/03/2006 at 14:46
      While catchy after a few listens, this first single from Moz is lyrically thin and musically wanting. With any luck, the new album from this once-truly great artist will not disappoint.
Stenoef, USA
3/03/2006 at 03:34
      Not the most immediate of singles, but having heard a couple of other tracks off the new album, I'm sure there are better to come.
John, Manchester
2/03/2006 at 21:48
      not enough lyrics from the greatest lyrisist of all time!
dave l., wigan
2/03/2006 at 19:24
      I like his new song, the guitar is a little to heavy but morrissey has a good way of singing with diffrent tunes.
Marco Padilla, San Diego
2/03/2006 at 18:37
      Mind bendingly catchy: a track which after 3 or 4 listens takes its place in the hall of great Morrissey singles.
Ben, Cambridge
2/03/2006 at 18:27

  Someone please kill FreeYourself on the 2006 tour.

Cheers!!
Nothing Entered Me, UK
2/03/2006 at 18:08

The Smiths are the greatest band of all time. Morrissey was their singer and Johnny played guitar. They are less without each other as the last 20 years has proved.

I thought the article in MOJO was excellent. Who here could turn down $5m. Its not a question of Marr being skint but making the atmoshere right for the envitable to happen.

I will be there at every show and deep in your heart you will be to.

But he's light years ahead of Jesse Tobias at every level.
  Actually, to mention Tobias and Marr in the same sentence is insulting to Johnny.
  There's no way Moz continues a successful career (up until ROTT anyway) if Jesse Tobias is his main man and collaborates with him.
  Jesse's songwriting ability is beyond amateurish and shockingly bad.

Around this time, 25 years ago in history, Marr knocked on the door at 384 King's Road. May, 1982, days before Morrissey's birthday. Interestingly, Marr chose "You're the one", a b-side to The Marvelettes "Paper Boy" - which he happend to find in Morrissey's singles collection.

Just to show how keen is keen... Or was.

The Observer is also doing an article. History doesn't seem to repeat itself as often as journalists do.

Anyway, here it is:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,,207 3324,00.html

Reunions NEVER work. Why live in the past and dwell on nostalgia? It would be such an embarassing thing to see The Smiths reunite. The people who were Smiths fans 20 years ago now have kids, careers, mortgages, etc. I personally would hate to go to a Smiths reunion gig to see lots of pissed-up people in their 40's to sing along to the songs.
Morrissey will N E V E R do it.

i would say: they never will be!

it is one thing to get money but a totally different thing to play songs together that meant EVERYTHING to them.

but i'd be glad if they would reunite. if marr and morrissey think that it'll work, than something very good will come out of it. no doubt. even if they would record new songs and will release them. when they are willing to release them they have to be good!

and the positive thing: morrissey can stop playing smith-songs at his own concerts. that'll make room for his own songs from his own catalogue... "seaside yet still docked" or something like that...

Ok, here's a perfect idea for Moz vis a vis Johnny:

Just have a regular Moz gig, no hints, no leaks, no obvious vulnerabilities in security/confidentiality, and then just bring Johnny in for ONE song, maybe something like How Soon Is Now? or The Queen Is Dead, as a guest guitarist!

The crowd would go WILD, Johnny could leave after that song (maybe it could be the encore or something), and everyone could a)see the crowd's reaction to maybe be able to tentatively plan future events, and b)it wouldn't be considered a 'reunion' or have the pressure or tension of one...

Yay!!! DO IT MOZZER!!! ;)