Download 'Meat is Murder' into the charts (week of Apr. 2)
posted by davidt on Sunday March 18 2007, @11:00AM

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Another download experiment but this time we have the support of thousands of veggies as well!

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Stop (Score:1)
Just stop.
dallow_bg <{brainboy77} {at} {aol.com}> -- Sunday March 18 2007, @11:41AM (#251613)
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"All the people I like are those that are dead."
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    Downloading (Score:0)
    It's a nice idea, but I can't help being cynical about its prospects after 'Life is a Pigsty' failed to make the charts. I could be wrong, though. It has happened. Very occasionally.
    Lipski's Ghost -- Sunday March 18 2007, @11:42AM (#251614)
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      No No No (Score:1)
      It just not gonna work out!
      Mike Joyce is gonna get all the money and they are gonna disqualify it.
      We should just wait until a next Morrissey single.
      shane sarabia <c.sarabia52259@gmail.com> -- Sunday March 18 2007, @12:12PM (#251616)
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      "My only mistake is i'm hoping"
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      • Re:No No No by Anonymous (Score:0) Sunday March 18 2007, @12:49PM
        A Swallowneck Prediction Of Failure (Score:0)
        Swallowneck also predicts the same outcome as the Life Is A Pigsty fiasco and has therefore pledged his non-involvement, but he wishes you to know that he will probably tape it off the radio...
        MarkFromScatter -- Sunday March 18 2007, @02:58PM (#251626)
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        If you don't like me, don't look at me...
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        I hate to be a Debbie Downer (Score:1)
        but please for the love of Moz just please stop with these! Even if it does work, so what? It will mean less than if it actually made it into the charts normally, and even that means nearly nothing! I know I should just move on and not comment negatively (cause this really is an annoying comment) but I let the first 20 million of these go by without saying anything! If you wanted to do something ridiculous like download baby got back into the top 10, then I'd be down for that shit!
        ProtestSinger -- Sunday March 18 2007, @03:28PM (#251627)
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        .*.* I can smile about it now but at the time it was terrible *.*.
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          I don't get it (Score:0)
          Why are people expecting it to be any different this time?

          You embarrassed yourselves last time, why do it again?
          Anonymous -- Sunday March 18 2007, @04:46PM (#251633)
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            Thousands of veggies? (Score:0)
            How come the counter on the site only says 722? And how many of those are the same people? Where are these thousands of veggies who are going to download? The same place the thousands of Moz fans were when you were trying to do the same thing with Pigsty?
            Anonymous -- Sunday March 18 2007, @04:50PM (#251634)
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              don't (Score:1)
              it was well worth trying for 1 one time, so
              stop this DL pushing.

              Dunno if Morrissey likes it to know that it fails on and on, plus meat is murder is a too
              good song/anthem for using it as chartdoawloading

              try 'sorrow comes in the end'
              Celibate Cry <vauxhall@mail2uk.com> -- Monday March 19 2007, @12:36AM (#251646)
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              and the hills are alive with celibate cries
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                Harmless Fun (Score:0)
                It's just a bit of harmless fun. It doesn't matter what the outcome is. Yamaha
                Anonymous -- Monday March 19 2007, @03:05AM (#251649)
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                  Please. No. (Score:0)
                  Don't even bother this time, there is even less interest and enthusiasm for this than there was for the Life is a Pigsty attempt
                  Jealous of Youth -- Monday March 19 2007, @04:23AM (#251651)
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                  "so many women, my head should be spinning. Ah, but no..."
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                    Anonymous person...? (Score:1)
                    Possibly Mikey J after some more quick dough after seeing what Mozalini made from the Piggy experiment?
                    natec -- Monday March 19 2007, @08:20AM (#251669)
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                      get a life (Score:0)
                      boring and old idea
                      Anonymous -- Monday March 19 2007, @09:09AM (#251675)
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                        Not a suitable song at all (Score:0)
                        I really don't think this song would work. Great for us die hard fans, but many of my non Moz lover friends find it a bit freaky! Think what this would do to his reputation. We really do not need to get him in the charts this way. Lets wait for his new album and see what will be released from this.
                        Anonymous -- Monday March 19 2007, @10:40AM (#251684)
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                          What is the point of this? (Score:0)
                          What point are you trying to prove with all this nonsense? It's an absolutely bloody stupid idea. Do you think the world gives a damn if Morrissey enters the charts? I don't think most Morrissey followers really give a damn if he enters the charts. And Meat Is Murder is probably the worst choice of all - wow, how controversial...not! For God's sake just grow up!
                          Anonymous -- Monday March 19 2007, @11:40AM (#251690)
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                          I'll join in again (Score:1)
                          However, I think if we wanted to give Moz a #1, we should have been quicker off the mark with this sort of experiment. As soon as it was announced how the new chart rules would work, it was inevitable how things would pan out; every week fans of one persuasion or another are downloading their favourite artists en masse and DJ's are manipulating the great unwashed to download some crap track 'for a laugh'. This all adds up to making the British chart look even more pitiful than it used to be.
                          I hate to say it (as I'm a nostalgic young bugger) but the charts are dead and buried. Number 1 hits that perforate public consciousness are either cartoon novelty acts, reality TV show winners, or re-formed boy/girl bands. The rest barely scrape a passing listen. It makes me long for the days when the likes of Bryan Adams, Wet Wet Wet and Sealion Dion caused GBH of the eardrums over 16 consecutive weeks. At least people actually had genuine affection for those songs (God help them).
                          And yet, I would love to see the experiment work this time around; Meat Is Murder is a tour de force of a song, and Morrissey said only a few years ago that if it converts just a handful of people to vegetarianism, then it serves its purpose.
                          Yes, the money will probably end up in Mike Joyce's pocket, but I'm sure Morrissey's passion for his chosen cause outweighs his love of money and/or hatred of Joyce. And, ultimately, it's Morrissey and animal rights who end up with the publicity.
                          Mozzersgirl -- Monday March 19 2007, @12:02PM (#251692)
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                          “We all pay for life with death, so everything in between should be free.”
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                            This Is What Makes Me To Eat More Meat Products (Score:0)
                            Seriously, all this PeTA garbage, the constant Moz drone and "veggie" crap....
                            I'm enjoying cheeseburgers and steaks and chicken and whatever else I want. I encourage everyone else to do the same. Enough of this leftist rant we constantly get from insane activists with an extremist political agenda.
                              In fact, if Moz doesn't eat meat, well I am going to have his share.
                            Anonymous -- Monday March 19 2007, @12:45PM (#251701)
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                            Regardless of your stance... (Score:0)
                            You have to admit that Meat is Murder is one of The Smiths worst songs both lyrically and musically. Morrissey sounds like an irrational aesthete trying to champion a hip 80's political movement, and Johnny wrote as if he was providing filler for the final track on the album.

                            As if goofy Moz fans didn't seem naive enough by trying to get a non-radio friendly song on the charts in Life Is A Pigsty, they go after yet another song completely unfit for radio.

                            You guys need to just pack it in and commit yourselves already. It's getting old.
                            Anonymous -- Monday March 19 2007, @01:02PM (#251705)
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                            Missing the point (Score:0)
                            I dont think this is about getting Morrissey to a respectable chart position. It is about the message of the song. It is about people listening to meat is murder and considering becoming veggie - I for one am not interested in whether Morrissey gets top 10 or whatever. I know of a lot of people who became veggie because of this song so that's why it is important.
                            Who hears when animals cry?
                            Anonymous -- Monday March 19 2007, @01:14PM (#251707)
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                            To the poster above (Score:0)
                            If you're going to try and win people's minds on an issue like vegetarianism, then you're going to have to do better than claim something so incredibly illogical as "...Death for no reason is murder!"

                            Rogan has already addressed the absurdity of this line, but the general fan acceptance, and blind following of Morrissey's lyrics in the song is ridiculous.

                            Such tactics may work on people in their late teens who do not have much experience in life, but to most people, it really is just silly.

                            You should take your propaganda elsewhere because music is about music, not someone trying to brainwash an entire population to think as they do through a pop song. Someone who engages in such transparent tactics is the enemy of art, and not the opposite.
                            Anonymous -- Monday March 19 2007, @02:04PM (#251713)
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                            What's the problem? (Score:0)
                            Morrissey see's no need to kill animals in order to eat. Therefore to do so, in his eyes, is 'death for no reason'. Seems simple enough to me? Yamaha
                            Anonymous -- Tuesday March 20 2007, @02:52AM (#251753)
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                            Do I feel guilty? Slightly yes. (Score:0)
                            I just had to laugh when I saw this article this morning.
                            I have the CD "Meat is Murder" album in my car at the moment, and I had to go and get some bacon rolls for the lads that I work with for breakfast down at the local Cafe. As I got into my car and switched the engine on, the song "Barbarism begins at home" had just finished and the very haunting sounds of the saw's and animal noises started playing. The car was filled with the delicious smell of bacon and also a deep sense of "Who the fuck does he think he is." The smell was divine!
                            I adore Morrissey, but this song is very hard to listen to if you are a meat eater, as I am sure there are thousands of his fans out there who are. We are all not going to convert to vegetarianism just because this great man happens to be one.
                            I did get a little angry at the fact that the song did make me feel slightly uncomfortable about biting into my bacon butty.
                            To download this song into the charts will anger and offend many people. If this is how I felt being a Morrissey fan, how do you think the rest of the chart listening audience will feel? This is not the right song to do this silly experiment with. Neither was "Pigsty."
                            He has so many other great songs to choose from.
                            Now, I must go and tuck into my tasty bacon butty, and try not to think about how disappointed Morrissey would be with me, because I know he would be!
                            Anonymous -- Tuesday March 20 2007, @04:00AM (#251757)
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                            According to Viva... (Score:0)
                            Every 12 seconds a pig has its throat slit in a UK abbattoir.
                            A typical carnivore eats 4,022 animals in a lifetime.
                            Sorry if these things, along with the song, make you feel uncomfortable. Most people have never heard the song and are not aware of such statistics. If we take the 'five people' Moz mentioned who may be affected then thats over 16,000 lives saved. How can that possibly be a waste of time or embarrassing? If you dont care about the welfare of animals and want to eat them that is fine. Its a free country. Just stop heckling people who are trying to do something constructive.
                            Moz getting to number 2 or whatever it was with FOTGTD did not change my life. Hearing Meat is Murder did. This is why this is very different to the Pigsty experiment.
                            Anonymous -- Tuesday March 20 2007, @05:20AM (#251773)
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                            Why are so Many People Missing the Point? (Score:1)
                            Morrissey did not ask people to be like him, he asked people to confront an awful truth.

                            That is why the song works - it is not bombastic, it is mournful. It is not propaganda, it is a cri-de-coeur. It is not a narcissistic political statement "do as I do," it is a great work of art, the expression of an inner certainty that persuades and convinces others through empathy. It is his Guernica.

                            It may not be catchy, but it sure as hell is a masterpiece.
                            Anaesthesine -- Tuesday March 20 2007, @08:18AM (#251780)
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                            If Moz did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.
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                            Singer on BBC1 shortly (Score:1)
                            Peter Singer is one of the most influential philosophers in the world, on top of which he wrote a book called "Animal Liberation" outlining why non-human animals also deserve respect, dignity and rights. I've just noticed that he is being interviewed by William Crawley tonight on BBC1 at 11.05 which could help clarify the debate for people. There is some information about him here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Singer
                            goinghome -- Tuesday March 20 2007, @03:24PM (#251812)
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                            Meat is NOT Murder (Score:0)
                            The concept of murder does not apply to animals because they do not have the capacity to know what human laws are right, and what laws are wrong. Therefore, if they can't abide by human laws, which few do unless trained, then there's no rational way to consider them as rights holders. It's silly.

                            The idea of murder is a human construct. To speak of murder in regards to animals is virtually child-like, but that pretty much sums up the average Morrissey fan.

                            Many people on here who become vegetarian do so out of a sense of isolation from human beings. They likely blame them for their disfigurement, and the fact that they won't give them the coddling attention that they desire. So, they turn to animals because animals can't argue with them, or tell them how dull they think they are.

                            It fulfills a Florence Nightingale type urge that they wish others would bestow on them.

                            Anonymous -- Tuesday March 20 2007, @05:37PM (#251822)
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                            meat is murder - again ? (Score:1)
                            why bother ? it's in the past - leave it there and move on you sad pathetic specimen of life !
                            dezzyboots -- Tuesday March 20 2007, @06:13PM (#251828)
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                              Two dirges in a row... (Score:0)
                              That'll set the charts alight.
                              Anonymous -- Wednesday March 21 2007, @12:14PM (#251884)
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                                I wish (Score:0)
                                morrissey had sung about ho's and bitches instead. it would have made things easier all these years
                                Anonymous -- Thursday March 22 2007, @02:46AM (#251950)
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                                  Meat is Murder.... (Score:1)
                                  On this album alone, there are far worthier songs that could have been chosen, "Well I wonder" for one. Fabulous song! Who suggested this one anyway?
                                  dbowie -- Thursday March 22 2007, @11:39AM (#252020)
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                                  live & let live (Score:1)
                                  Reading the comments in this thread is really tiring...this does not apply to all comments, of course, but to all the ones that include phrases like "get a life" or "you pathetic specimen of life" & the likes. To write like that has nothing to do with intelligent discussion, it´s only a poor attempt to press one´s opinion onto others (bizarrely trying to convince people by insulting them).
                                  & self-rightiousness is the weakest tool for opening people´s eyes for one´s point of view. It´s also boring, aggrevating & a bit stupid. Who am I to decide what´s right or wrong for EVERYBODY? I can only decide for myself & try to set a good example.
                                  People will not change their attitudes or behaviour because they´re told to do so. People change because THEY choose to, when they see reasons to do so.
                                  It neither makes sense to tell people to stop eating meat, especially not by telling them how horribly they behave, nor does it make sense to insult people who share their reasons for not eating meat.
                                  Why not share opinions & thoughts, but apart from that live & let live?
                                  Cashews -- Friday March 23 2007, @05:35AM (#252151)
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