Actually, I'm in New York City; I just wanted to be the first to comment.

Why are the German dates not listed at TTY?

Why go to the SECC?, there's plenty of alternative better venues albeit smaller. The Carling Academy or the Barrowland Ballroom.

Its just a dick move to keep ignoring the US fans. Especially since we make up his largest fanbase of any single country in the world.

This is really crazy, I wasn't expecting such a slap in the face to US fans.
It's kind of funny though.
Glad I went to 2 of the 3 US dates back in March.

Ah well, I know it's gonna happen..... someday.
(lame lyric post)

probably in the new year. just wait and see

Looks like he's got a big Xmas shopping list this year.

I also think it looks like he'll be doing a revised setlist as Moz in arenas??? Well its not Truro/ kings Lynn etc etc etc

Not a fan of the arenas but I'm sure i'll get my bottom up to Birmingham and Manchester. And maybe Wembley too. Whats the Nottingham Arena like?

BLUEBIRDS

Congrats Brits.

YES! I can go to see you before the twins will be born Moz. I'm not so ready for the Manchester yet, may be?

That's way too big.

Is he suffering from delusions of grandeur?

(Not uncommon for a man is his condition)

No no no no no
just this heart deep and true
which you say you don't need
See with your eyes
touch with your hands - please
hear through your ears
know in your soul - please
for haven't you me with you now?
and I love you
I love you
I love you
and I love you
I love you
I love you

I think there will be quite a few empty seats come showtime.

Moz was 'bigger' around the time of Quarry, when the arena leg still had a few empty seats (some dates more than others, Earl's Court almost sold out, but Birmingham had large amounts of seats unused).

But I suppose the logic is that it's better to play the big date and not quite sell out, then sell out the smaller dates.

To know what the thinking is behind playing tiny venues which were sold out in no time at the time of the album's release but to play much larger venues at a much later date. He could have a had a massive tour with a number 1 album. There are no other 80s artists who have his artistic and commercial stature.

I shall definitely be going to the Birmingham gig.

"Christian Dior" has renewed my faith in Morrissey after ROTT gave it a bit of a battering.

Totally unrelated, but the Johnny Marr biography was almost too bad for words. The worst book I've read all year, and that includes a Dan Brown novel. No insight, no in-depth analysis of his music, no interesting revelations and no literary style. And the usual mistakes, eg, stating that Hand In Glove got to number 25. Also, referring to Kill Uncle as "critically acclaimed" but paying scant heed to Morrissey's other work - why mention his solo stuff? He also rates "Raise the Pressure" and refers to "Boomslang" as "acclaimed".

You'd have to go a long way to find a worse book.

There is no sense of objective criticism at all. For example, Marr bemoaned the appalling concept of the synth duo in the 80s and yet embraced it in the 90s. Surely the greatest criticism of his session work is that much of it is annonymous - his playing simply does not shine on other people's records, and his work with Billy Bragg, Kirsty McColl and Bryan Ferry sounds like Smiths without the magic. Also, it's about bloody time that some writer pointed out the glaring fact that Morrissey received no credit for writing The Smiths sung melodies.

That no one has done so so far is incredible. The credits shoule read: Words - Morrissey, Music - Morrissey/Marr and maybe even Rourke (after all, he composed the bass lines, not Johnny).

Credit where credit is due, apparently not.

I went to three gigs in the summer. Getting the tickets was the kind of stress that makes me break out in a cold sweat. If I can get a ticket, I'll go, but if it proves to be the nightmarish tout-induced fucktard farce it was last time, then I'm not going. Simple as that.

It does seem rather odd that he's playing the UK like this again, after such a massive tour in the summer. Yeah, I'm happy, course I am (thought ticket-buying stress is starting to make me feel nauseous already), but whatever happened to St Louis?

Moz does not have the fanbase to sell out these venues properly. Some agents will sell out their allocation quickly and some of you may panic and pay inflated prices on E-bay but there is no need.
J

Morrissey has made it quite clear that he doen't feel welcome in the US (i.e. being harrassed and humilitated at customs). I don't blame him for not going there.

Could anyone tell me how big is this venue please ?

Thank you

Nikita

Although this is slightly unrelated, there is some news on nme.com just now that apparently at v only 20,000 people saw moz who was the actual headliner and 45,000 people went to the second stage to see Razorlight, and Im pretty sure Razorlight dont play arena tours so why the hell is moz? He couldnt sell them out in 2004 so he certainly won't now.

He'll be lucky if anyone goes to see him in this toon after his petulance at the Sage. I've never missed a Morrissey or Smiths performance in the N/E for 20 years but you couldn't pay me to listen to this self-obsessed prat again. America you're not missing much, you can keep him if you want him.

morrissey,

please can you post on TTY if you will be premiering new material or/and completely changing the setlist.
to just do the same setlist as last time would be an absolute waste of everyones time.

I suppose these dates make sense with the new Album coming out on 5th December

...meine Perle!!!!

*...eeeinmal nach St. Pauuuliiiiii....!!!*

When's the Grey Fatty gonna play the States, man? What gives, M-Dawg? Git yo' fat veggie ass over here!

As they say at Mcdonalds, i'm lovin it. I had to travel to Grimsby in may cos all the touts robbed all the tickets to gigs closer to me. But now i can travel up to Notts and maybe Birmingham if i'm lucky. Very happy about this news.

Fit, distinguished and sporty all at once.

Moz PLEASE come to Nth America before Christmas. Please.

A.J.

lets hope he plays a different setlist!
please

if he sells out these shows then most of this year's negative comments about ROTT (which i think is a very fine record) and setlists (which i wish had been more varied) and predictions of his demise will prove redundant.

but the views of deranged fans (like me) are irrelevant re these gigs. christmas arena tours are aimed at (strange) people who only go to arena gigs and usually at christmas. personally having seen moz many times in venues no larger than the Brighton Centre, there are going to have to be amazing reports from glasgow (of 'teachers' 'tony the pony' 'work is a four-letter word' etc), to make me brave wembley arena - that place is the architectural representation of depression. no surprise that it's london's top entertainment venue!

either great reports from glasgow or better still my dream coming true - 'ganglord' in the charts. otherwise my heart will be in wembley but i won't

Where can I get tickets for the German gigs. Going on my own, anybody interested in a pre Mozzer meeting.

I started listening to Morrissey in late 2003 through a girlfriend with a Smiths Best Of. I saw the MEN homecoming, and fell in love. The reason for this is simple. Although Morrissey has a lot of brilliant songs, when I go to watch him it's not for what he sings, but how he sings. There is something addictive about his vocal delivery, movement and mannerisms. I'm sure so many of you agree. These shows will be great, they're Morrissey shows.

PS. Broken, it appears you have no friends (understandable). I guess this is why you don't want to go to the gigs. I'll buy a spare ticket for the 2nd G-Mex show - come along, live a little..... you're more than welcome!!!

It seems that hardly anyone is actually happy about this news...

Oh well, perhaps that means it's easier for me to get tickets as no one else seems to want to go.

Yay.

I don't know why American fans have given up on dates this year. There's plenty of time to announce dates in mid to late November. The St Louis thing was a big clue. I'll bet you get something before Christmas.

how much are the tickets gonna be for the uk shows?

Anybody know?

i came across this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HOW-TO-BUY-GIG-TICKETS-EG-MO RRISSEY-MANCHESTER-G-MEX_W0QQitemZ200035423883QQih Z010QQcategoryZ47103QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZV iewItem

what the hell?

If Morrissey stopped writing rubbish like ROTT and wrote with talented musicians like Radiohead, none of this would matter.

I don't care where he plays, I won't be going.

broken

get your teeth fixed

Yes Morrissey, listen to broken! He's a very clever man, and not a tedious prick at all!!

Excellent idea broken! Yet another!!! You can do it man! I'm sure they'll be hundreds with you outside with your banners, and with hardly anyone actually in the venues at all! Bravo!!!

If we were in the 4th grade, and on the playground, that might be funny.

I disagree totally. The Magazine and Raymonde tracks in particular are far better than his own material these days.

Broken. I'm going for a headshot you nipplewank.
* BANG BANG *

do not feed the trolls.

Goodness gracious me, broken, you have made your point on numerous occasions. Please give it a rest now, I'm so tired of your repetitiveness.

Bye the way, there are plenty of us that are not bored with Morrissey, and never will be, due to the unique nature of the man as a performer, so why don't you just shift your attention to another artist (well, if you can find one that's worth bothering with) and let us enjoy and celebrate one of the world's last lyrical heroes in a way that he and we have become accustomed to. Thank you.