Morrissey (or whoever is writing the answers to those questions) should think harder before making excuses for terrorists. The same ideology supporting violence as a language that is acceptable has been used by the indivudals responsible for the attacks on the world trade center and the London subways, as well as countless other attrocities throughout the rest of the world. Morrissey should know better

Morrissey said what!!?? He supports who!!??

I'm glad morrissey and i share the same beliefs. (i also don't care for the lives of war mongers.)

some people will never understand because they have different values. thus all sides seem stubborn and irrational to the other.

so what's the point at giving it a go at Morrissey? it's not like Morrissey is personally attacking an individual scientist.

and how can a fan of Morrissey not know of his support of PETA? sounds like a troll that doesn't know anything about morrissey or his music posted it on here thinking his fans would be outraged. the majority are not. i'm outraged at people's lack of compassion toward living creatures. I'm outraged at world politcs, the world religions, and culture as a whole. I'm certainly not outraged at people defending the environment and other species.

One time rock star? check again...his last album sold the most. perhaps in the US things aren't as high as they used to be...but these days you have to be a generic hipster band or a lame-ass pop star to be up there in the USA.

"One-time rock star"

Er, no.

I am a vegetarian myself, and I think that although it's good that people are trying to get animal rights issues out there, some of the methods they use are well dodgy. PETA being one such example.

Thanks for the post. It has always bothered me when people advocate violence to further their cause. Funny, but people use the same argument when bombing abortion clinics or shooting doctors who perform abortions.

True movements for change should use civil, peaceful methods. If PETA wants to push their agenda on the public (as they have every right to - in America, anyways), the way to people's hearts (and stomachs) should be advertising campaigns, fundraising, charities, etc.

I love Moz and his music (how about some American dates already?!), but I am not a robot, taking his every word as gospel. It sorta disgusts me when people advocate violence as a weapon of social change.

Environmental Terrorism in the USA last year cost hundreds of millions of dollars in damage. Instead of destroying all of that property (much of it belonging to people completely innocent of any wrongdoing), wouldn't a grass-roots political campaign be more effective at drumming up support?

I think Moz was way outta line with his comments, and whether I am a fan or not, I feel it is my obligation to say, "NO, there are better ways."

... on behalf of America for the fact that we are home to so many conservative crackpots like the Center For Consumer Freedom, the far right wing organization that owns the petakillsanimals.com Web site. I don't know why this country is filled with war-mongering, animal-hating pieces of trash, but it is. Again, I'm sorry.

The person sending in this "story" says that he's a Morrissey fan (and he's a user of this site, obviously) who "bumped into" an important member of PETA while ignorant of the organization's controversies (and of its association with Morrissey, too, perhaps?) and yet while also nursing a grievance with them over some factual error of theirs.

Do the contradictions and coincidences in this need to be explained at length? Apparently, since you've posted this cock-and-bull story as a news item.

We're expected to believe that, despite (1.) the writer's near-acquaintance with a leader of PETA, (2.) his irritation with some factual error they've made (what, he reads their press releases?), to the point that he wants to approach a leader of the organization about it, and (3.) his past visits to THIS SITE, on which Morrissey and PETA's controversies are regularly detailed--we're expected to believe that after all of this he was *completely in the dark* about "what kind of an organization PETA really is"! He was quite surprised to learn that he objected to some of their practices!

We're futher expected to believe that his desire to answer this idiotically unlikely need for information was satisfied by a web search which turned up an article denouncing Morrissey for his assocation with PETA, an article which makes no points which LOAFING OAF has not copied-and-pastd onto THIS SITE'S general discussion board eight million times. I simply cannot imagine who the "anonymous person" who sent in this story could be!

Tseng. Tseng. Learn to read, for Christ's sake.

It's just an anonymous person having a moan about Morrissey's political beliefs isn't it? I'm confused.

notice how server.ntli.net's gone all quiet after being exposed.
serves him right

I was the one who posted this news item. It was anonymous because I have some fear of terrorists. Morrissey and his music has been a huge part of my life for 17 years. Even though I don't always agree with Moz, I appreciate his lyrics, music, wit and fashion. I have attended live shows when possible. I buy and listen to Smiths and Morrissey music more than any other music. While some of you may disagree, to me this makes me a fan.

Recently, I was given an assignment to do some PR work at my office. PETA had written some incorrect statements and I was asked to have them corrected. I had a somewhat favorable view of PETA at the time and, because of following Moz, I thought PETA was a legitimate organization. When I called and wrote to them, however, I found my contact with the organization to have little regard for the truth. Instead, she arrogantly wanted to blackmail the people that I was representing into signing and publishing statements that she wrote in support of PETA. To be honest, this behavior baffled me. Once again, I thought I was talking to a legitimate organization.

My PR work is usually a little more successful. In other words, I completely failed at getting a nationally recognized organization to correct a simple untruth. Because of my failed efforts, we started to seek a little bit of legal counsel. This is when I started to discover troubling information about PETA. I was told that PETA was on official terrorist lists all over the world. I discovered that PETA was under investigation for violating several felony laws written to protect animals. I also learned at this time that all of the media outlets around me were completely ignoring PETA, partly because they had so many untruths in their current press releases and it seems that they don't even have good legal counsel these days.

After this I decided to do my own investigation. This is when I discovered that rather than spend their money to help shelter animals, PETA kills animals, thousands of them. While you can disagree with the conservative groups that are revealing these facts, they are documented facts.

During this time I was in contact with many who consider themselves good animal rights activists. They were almost all nice people to meet. And, from what I could see, all of them were distancing themselves from PETA.

Last night I saw a story about Morrissey and I thought it might be a good idea to let people at Morrissey-Solo see a little more information about PETA. From what I can see, PETA has taken their national status to swindle people's money. Not only are they unprofessional, but they use their money towards sensationalism (probably go gain more money and power) instead of using it to protect animals. Remember, they kill animals rather than protect them.

What should Morrissey do about all of this? From a PR standpoint, I don't believe that PETA deserves the time of day, even from supporters like Moz. I have heard Morrissey say recently, in effect, that he has some friends at PETA. These statements seem to show that even Moz is distancing himself a bit. However, I have now seen that he has said troubling things about supporting violence against people. That may be a more difficult PR problem, but nothing new in the world of rock and roll.

The Center for Consumer Freedom (www.consumerfreedom.com), an organization comprised of and funded by the Meat & Dairy industries. They do this sort of thing all of the time, usually without so much credibility afforded to their "reports." They are in a state of perpetual war with organizations like PETA, so no surprise that they would be interested in Morrissey and annoying his fan base. I am, however, surprised that a story like this would end up on the front page

Not that anyone cares much about me, but it just dawned on me that some of you are going to think that I am a PR man for evil corporations or evil government organizations. Nothing could be further from the truth. I work for a tiny little seven employee company and do a tiny bit of PR work every few years. I just thought that might be helpful. I'm not writing this as a professional hack job on PETA. I have respect for many people who have supported them in the past. However, I have first hand knowlege that the organization is extremely troubled and I feel that should be shared.

If anyone knows who this Nazi bastard everdene is, will they kick the shit out of his sick carcass.

It makes me sick that a simple idiot such as everdene believes this crap and then is given the time of day to further these nonsensical claims.

He or she is clearly an impressionistic, not to bright individual who is the sort that these campaigners seek out.

Can't he or she see that it is a deliberate smear campaign by supporters of the meat and animal testing industries against their most public critic.

It really does beggar belief that anyone with half a mind would fall for it.

Hitler was far more subtle with his propaganda. If he had made similar absurd claims against the Jewish people the Germans would have kicked him out there and then. No these people go so over the top as to make their claims laughable to anyone with a modicum of common sense.

Please everdene sit down and think how silly you have been and stop all this ridiculous naive detective story stuff because it just doesn't wash. Also quit the sickly love and peace comments. I've just eaten and it's turning my stomach.

they also have a very similiar site dedicated at spreading around lies about the Physicians Committee for responsible Medicine. Here's what the PCRM had to say in response (oh by the way i read what the group had against PETA and there were many things i knew to be false. the group is spreading around lies. it's a a non-profit paid for by tobacco and meat industries and the founder has stated it's purpose is to discredit various causes/beliefs by shooting the messenger in the foot. his goal isn't for seeking truth but to serve the tobacco and meat industry agenda.
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News Release

November 7, 2005
Contact: Patrick Sullivan, 202-686-2210, ext. 311; psullivan@pcrm.org

Physicians' Group Responds to Smear Tactics by Tobacco/Meat Industry Front Group
Criticisms are False and Anti-Public Health

Washington—The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine responds to a news release published recently by the “Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF), a group funded by the tobacco, meat, and junk-food industries.

CCF was founded by tobacco lobbyist Rick Berman with more than $3 million from Philip Morris and continues to receive funding from industries that market unhealthful products. Through CCF and other front groups, Berman has fought against stricter limits on legal blood-alcohol levels, improvements in minimum wage, health information for consumers, and other progressive efforts that his commercial clients view as contrary to their interests.

Over the past few years, CCF has escalated its attacks against organizations that warn the public about the health risks associated with alcohol, meat, and other junk food products. Berman has admitted publicly that his MO is to “shoot the messenger” by trying to disparage the credibility of his opponents. His employees do not attempt reasoned discussion of the scientific issues about health. The list of public health advocates in CCF’s line of fire includes former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani for speaking out against drunk driving, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for tackling food safety, the World Health Organization for addressing obesity, and Mothers Against Drunk Driving. (For an in-depth exposé by best-selling author John Stauber, please visit http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/2001Q1/berman1.ht ml.) A complaint recently filed with the IRS charges that CCF has violated its tax-exempt status by allegedly engaging in “activities with no charitable purpose” and making large payments to Berman.

As to CCF’s false statements about PCRM, here’s the truth. Founded 20 years ago, PCRM is a nonprofit 501(c)(3) organization working to promote good nutrition and higher standards in both human and animal research. PCRM has a four-star rating from Charity Navigator. PCRM both conducts clinical nutrition research and helps educate the public about preventive medicine, especially the multitude of health benefits possible with low-fat and vegetarian diets. PCRM also opposes unethical research. PCRM exposed experiments in which short, healthy children were to be injected with genetically engineered growth hormone in an attempt to make them taller. PCRM also exposed the practice of using massive estrogen doses to suppress height in tall adolescent girls. In addition, PCRM vigorously promotes alternatives to the use of animals in medical education and research through a variety of innovative programs.

PCRM’s physicians, dietitians, and scientists are leaders in their field. They publish their work in peer-reviewed academic journals, present their findings before scientific conferences, and serve as consultants on government panels. PCRM’s president Neal Barnard, M.D., (http://www.NealBarnard.org), for example, is a respected nutrition researcher whose current work is sponsored by the National Institutes of Health. PCRM experts are also popular with lay audiences. PCRM doctors and nutritionists are frequent guests in the national and international media, and popular writers in the lay press.

CCF trie

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The information about the people behind www.petakillsanimals.com is helpful. Of course, killing the messenger doesn't change some of the facts about PETA that can also be found elsewhere. Like I said before, the only reason I submitted the link was because I saw that it contained a story about Morrissey. This here is a site that, for right or wrong, publishes all stories about Morrissey.

I hope at least one person here doesn't mind if I make another observation. It's not directly about PETA or Morrissey-solo, it's more about a certain cultural phenomenon.

We live in a world where a segment of society feels that mindless insults and threats will accomplish something. This segment is alive and well on Morrissey-so low. I posted a news item and wrote some observations today on Morrissey-so low. Because of this my life and health have been threatened. People have called me everything from a simple idiot, to a liar, to a Nazi, to several vulgarities. What does this accomplish?

Does the name calling show any intelligence or wit? Is the person who throws out the strongest vulgarity or the harshest threat somehow intellectually superior to the person being threatened?

Can name calling shed any light on a discussion? Does it help to clarify any facts or move a discussion forward to any sense of the truth?

The only possible thing one can hope to accomplish by being verbally violent is to get someone else to go away. We all go away eventually, but before you pat yourself on the back for accomplishing something you should ask yourself, “Did the person leave because she was abused with insults or because life called her on to other things?”

Is there humor or entertainment value in the insults? Occasionally a clever insult can elicit a chuckle, but usually being offensive serves only as masturbatory entertainment for the person making the insults.

Morrissey-so low (I give it that name endearingly) has been a part of my life for many years. I read the news and discussions here far more often than I post (obviously I've missed some of the items about PETA). I wish the culture here was better, but I also know that it would almost be impossible to enforce any guidelines on this site. In any case, while I doubt these thoughts are new or will make any change, I hope someone appreciates this observation.

i love morrissey, except for all this 'animals rights' stupidity.

ANIMAL LIBERATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Emissaries of demons
slit the defenseless in an act of barbarity.
Sharp knives
give the final embrace
in a pool of red.

Deathtools
forged in the flames of scorn.
Non human animals
die in the name of selfish ignorance.

Blood spilled for lust
in the temples of terror.

in the temples of terror...

Factory farms, Vivisection laborites,
Fur ranches, Slaughter houses,
all replace concentration camps.
still injustice remains.
End this evil empire built upon the graves
of the murdered
and devoured creatures.

Salvation I whisper thy name
and scream for liberation.
Consumption
of lifeless bodies is a vote for
genocide.

genocide...

this site shut down.

There is so much venom here it is kind of startling.

David, you've been a great supporter of Moz over the years when he had no other internet presence, but now it just seems like this site is a focal point for extreme comments. Very negative posters.

May I suggest to you that you consider shutting down? The artist you meant to help has asked that you stop. Maybe it's worth considering giving him that courtesy.

Fact.

Since so many people have accused me of lying and making up my stories just to support www.petakillsanimals.com, I decided to do more research into what more PETA friendly groups are saying, being the super slueth that I am.

This is what Best Friends has said about PETA:

"Any organization that's aspiring to a leadership role in relation to companion animals needs to be encouraging people to save more lives, rather than to go on repeating the failed policies and practices that helped create the problem in the first place.

"So we consider it to be extraordinarily irresponsible for a single animal rights group with a loud voice and a reputation for protecting animals to grab the headlines and tell the world that the best thing we can do for homeless pets is kill them. While PETA is in the forefront of many animal-related issues, they are way behind the times when it comes to companion animals. We would hope that they will continue to lead in the areas where they do well, and to stay out of areas in which, by their own words and deeds, they have no positive contribution to make." -- Best Friends

What are some of PETA's words that show they are behind the times? Well, here's a statement from the founder of PETA about her work back in the 1970's, which continues today.

"I would go to work early, before anyone got there, and I would just kill the animals myself. Because I couldn't stand to let them go through (other workers abusing the animals.) I must have killed a thousand of them, sometimes dozens every day."

Before everyone bashes me for not being a realist, let me say that I understand that shelters and animal adoptions right now still can't solve all the problems. Some animals still need to be put to rest. I have a problem with PETA, however. This Newkirk woman who loves to kill animals might have had a reason to do it back in the 1970's before she had any other resources (although she still sounds wantonly into her mercy mission). Today, however, she has resources. Only she would rather spend them blowing up buildings (so people are deprived of medical treatments) and grabbing news headlines with naked celebrities than work with organizations like Best Friends and Paws to protect animals.

what you all failed to notice was that Peta referred to the King as a "one time" rock star.
What an insult!

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