1-It is packed with protein
2-It is delicious
3-Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth." (Genesis 1:26 RSV)

Of course if you do not believe in god # 3 does not mean much but everyone argues over everything anyway!

why can't ol' thirsty feast on flesh, too? no fair, moz

Pedantry aside as to whether you think eating animals is right or wrong, natural or unnatural, the widespread and daily wanton abuse typical of factory farming that this video highlights is sickening.
Anybody who sees this kind of abuse and turns a blind eye must have a serious lack of empathy and compassion for sentient life.

never do, is not necesary.

There isn't a good argument in favor of the meat industry as we know it today, with all the mass torture involved. This doesn't mean eating meat in general (under circimstances where animals are treated well) is immoral.

Animals should be treated with kindness and respect while they're alive, but it's not evil to eat an animal. (It's generally people who rarely step outside of an urban environment who think that which is natural is somehow "evil.")

And people can rattle on about all the health problems with excessive meat consumption, but the key word is EXCESSIVE. Obviously the human body didn't evolve to handle the daily consumtion of Big Macs. However, there are no health problems whatsoever with moderate meat consumption.

It's more unhealthy to live amongst the self-righteous and the authoritarian who are always trying to dictate our lifestyles.

And it's tedious to live amongst the Yuppie, always freaking out over every little thing he/she consumes like a drama queen.

From my experience, it's rarely the people making all the so-very "virtuous" sacrifices in their indulgances and consumptions who are happy with themselves or enjoyable to be around.

Bullshit. this is the one thing (besides never touring Australia) that pisses me off about Moz and vegetarians in general .. it's like pushing your religion onto someone, PETA fucking piss me off .. if people want to eat meat then let them, if you don't want to eat meat then don't and stop telling us how horrible we are for doing it.

If we wern't supposed to eat meat then just naturally human beings wouldn't do it. More people eat meat than don't, so shut up about your "never hearing a good argument ever" .. that's only because you hear what you want to hear.

Being one who lives in a rural area, it happens on occasion that ones auto clobbers a deer and sometimes even a bear.
Now these aren't diseased or rotting dead animals, but freshly "brained" and dead.
Is it wrong to to eat them? If not they just get thrown in a ditch or dragged off to a tallow works.

BBQ'd bear haunch....yumm!

I can think of a perfectly good argument - meat tastes ace.

Alec Baldwin is against it.

(Please untwist your panties before you respond.)

Ah... Morrissey and the Bloviator ...Do y'all think Alec really got that FAT by eating twigs and berries?
This discussion bores me -- as do all you vegans, vegetarians and other screwballs.
Am about to toss two pounds of chicken breast in the oven... Bon Appetit!

Well I tried being a Vegetarian a few years ago and that lasted 10 days...

Then I saw the "Meet Your Meat" video they are talking about- attached to the "Who Put The 'M' In Manchester" DVD - hosted by Alec Baldwin- and since watching it on Tuesday, March 29th- I have not eaten meat at all- we'll see how long THAT lasts ;^)

If I stay vegetarian I'm not going to be one of those who preaches or judges others for eating meat- as I had been a carnivore for 35 years- but I will say this: that video has put me off meat for 1-1/2 months now- so if you are on the fence then go to the Peta website and watch it for free- it may make you re-think your next hamburger...

"Alec Baldwin and Morrissey team up to pack a PETA punch".

Given past rumours about Mr Baldwin's treatment of sentient humans, the headline seems rather tasteless; the moral ambiguity somewhat detracting from sound objections to a grotesque industry.

I had that DVD awhile ago. I watched it and couldn't bear what I saw. It was so disgustingly horrific. People are such murderers it's sickening. But since I'm a vegan there's no reason for me to endure the horror so I passed it on to a Moz fan who claims to like McDeath burgers. She never said anything about watching it. No comment. How ignorant. I think if you can participate in the murder then you can stomach the visuals on how slaughter house animals are treated. Any one of those animals could be your best budd, like your pet, but because you don't know them you say go ahead and torture them, but I won't watch. Butchers are sick and disturbed psychopaths, but you meat eaters need them to do your dirty work. I say wake up and make some choices instead of following the herd of murders to the local McDeath.

Ugh...it's no surprise they only have pets as friends.

What does Coronation Streets veteran, cockney, entrepreneur have to say on the subject ?
My guess is that he would take the opposite view to Ken Barlow just to annoy him.

PETA is so fucking stupid. Hypocrites who support violence against HUMANS!!!

Meat is tasty and its been working since the begining of time. Every vegitarian I know has to take vitamins and other suppliments to stay healthy. Its doesnt seem like much of a healthy lifestyle when you have to pills. There are Pros and Cons to both. Why does it matter what someone chooses to eat?

The issue for me is more about the abuse animals endure in those horrid conditions, they need to be treated in at least a more humane way. Do you meat eaters really believe that animals have no feeling or emotions, do you have pets? I'm not telling anyone what to eat, just think about it.

Reading the descriptions of the slaughterhouse conditions made me feel sick. The holocaust parallels Morrissey draws are not far off the mark. The fact that dogs and cats are protected by lawfrom the treatment that pigs and cows are subjected to was an eye-opener -- had never looked at it that way.

But the majority of humans will never stop eating meat. It'll never happen as long as we inhabit the earth, but PETA and other organizations should fight for "humane" conditions under which the animals are killed. A paradox, yes, but if an animal was painlessly put to sleep before being slaughtered, wouldn't that at least remove the element of severe suffering ingrained in the industry? Then again, do people who fight against capital punishment see a difference between painless(?) excecution by lethal injection vs. the insane levels of suffering in an electric chair?

Finally, which Morrissey songs make reference to his stance on eating meat? Obviously M is M and there's the "all the carnivores" line in Ouija Board, but I can't think of any others. Only two in the entire canon (though Meat is Murder is really the last word in music history)?

I know there are some people who are oppposed to eating meat, no matter what.

However, to those who are more concerned about how animals are treated during their lifetimes and how humanely they are killed (I can see how that can be an oxymoron), are animals that are killed in accordance to kosher and halal rules more acceptable?

but why don't we start worrying about animals when people aren't starving anymore?

..we have to dance this ridiculous waltz:

meaties V veggies

Irreconcilably differentiated. Pointless. Irritating.

And above all, frustrating.. for those of us who know we are right. We have the moral superiority since nothing has to die for our dinners. Sorry, meaties, try as you might, you can't out-argue that one.

Conversely, we veggies DO have to take supplements to get decent iron levels.

Personally I don't try and convert carnivores since I am content with the knowledge I have advanced beyond the level of a caveman.

As long as they aren't all over my shit telling me I should be eating meat in return, I am happy to sit back and quietly and smugly watch them grow fat and die.

Karma's a bitch.

I've honestly never met a vegan who i didn't seem to think had a screw or two loose.

honestly. Now, that's not to say i eat steak for dinner everynight. But, as someone said before, i am very MODERATE in what meat i do consume. People are so ready to shovel food in their face and not think where it came from. I'm thankful to the animal that gave its life for me to survive. No one respects it anymore that animals do this for us. It's all about massive quantity's.

But i guarentee if you were dropped off in the middle of the woods to survive, you wouldn't think twice about letting an animal die for your survival. Its the natural order of things. this is why bears eat salmon, lions eat zebras, etc. And i'll even bet that some of you would even eat people in extreme circumstances.

It's almost like being extreme right or extreme left; you leave yourself in this hole where you are so narrowminded. I think its good that PETA gets people to think about things like this-if people research it more and decide to be vegan, thats great. However, just like religion, should never be pushed on somebody. People can make their own choices.

On the other hand, i bet some vegan out there (including moz) owns a leather belt or shoes. How do you defend that?

"Each new and higher stage [of evolution] has exactly this choice: transcend and include, befriend, integrate, honour; or transcend and repress, deny, alienate, oppress" - Ken Wilber, philosopher.

If humans are top dog, how good are we at being in charge? The meat industry have no problem advertising their wares and normalising meat as food. Many people are rushing around with other things on their mind, grabbing convenient meals without much thought as to it's source. Most meat-eaters presumably have been acting in good faith that animals are treated humanely. So we need information such as PETA provides about the evils perpetrated.

But it's more than about choice alone. Like Morrissey said on his documentary, epidemics like CJD, salmonella, ecoli etc are no surprise, given the unnatural farming procedures in use. Humans are physical beings, dependant as a species on the ecological balance. It's not unknown for the servant to bring down the master through no fault of its own. The kind of responsibility humans exert on life-forms that relies on the powerful in the world will ultimately come, indeed is coming, full circle. It's true that the inequalities in our own species require much remedy, but each shortfall needs attention in parallel because everything is connected. As Patti Smith said: "Everything is holy".

"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it." claimed Albert Einstein, (Socrates was a vegetarian too?) which is why we need to change our minds first to sustain a beautiful diverse planet earth. So it's nothing to do with moral superiority really but about practical co-survival, about common sense.

Who don't have a plastic belt to their name.

... there are bigger problems in the world than cow #964035 going through a bit of pain.

From Chief Seattle’s speech in Washington about the land ‘offer’ in 1854, described as one of the most beautiful and profound statements on the environment ever made:

“Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth. Man did not weave the web of life: he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself. . . . The whites too shall pass, perhaps sooner than all other tribes. . . . But in your perishing you will shine brightly, fired by the strength of the God who brought you to this land and for some special purpose gave you dominion over this land and over the red man.

That destiny is a mystery to us, for we do not understand when the buffalo are all slaughtered, the wild horses are tamed, the secret corners of the forest heavy with scent of many men, and the view of the ripe hills blotted by talking wires.

Where is the thicket? Gone.
Where is the eagle? Gone
The end of living and the beginning of survival.”