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The Smiths appraised in 'The Independent' by Jonathan Coe, Mark Simpson, Will Self, more...

posted by davidt on Wednesday April 06 2005, @09:00AM

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The Smiths: Some bands are bigger than others... - The Independent

This week academics are in Manchester to debate the finer points of The Smiths. But why is this pop group so acclaimed? Clare Rudebeck finds out from its many devotees
02 April 2005

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Fans? (Score:0)

Alexei Sayle is a twat who was last funny in 1984. And even then he was grating.
Morrissey was pivotal in the "unimportant" people's backlash of the Thatcher period. He made us Northerners feel like we had a voice (which was the antithesis of everything the evil hellhound stood for).

Anonymous -- Wednesday April 06 2005, @09:24AM (#156763)

Re:Fans? by bingol (Score:1) Wednesday April 06 2005, @03:53PM
Re:Fans? by Anonymous (Score:0) Wednesday April 06 2005, @11:36PM
- Re:Fans? by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday April 07 2005, @04:17AM
  - Re:Fans? by goinghome (Score:1) Thursday April 07 2005, @07:10AM
  - Re:Fans? by boredhousewife (Score:1) Friday April 08 2005, @07:01AM

Study of The Smiths (Score:0)

Some pleasing comments from some people who 'get it' at least, i.e. The Smiths and why they are simply the best, most stunningly creative creators of music ever imaginable. Within The Smiths you have a truly phenomenal pair in the shape of Morrissey and Johnny Marr.THE two greatest song composers of ANY generation. The people who claim The Smiths to be miserable or dour are simply expressing their opinion. Not necessarily the wrong opinion, but certainly not the right one either. When I listen to The Smiths I hear joyously uplifting, at times downright FUNNY lyrics coupled with music that makes me cry. Just my opinion....which I think is the correct one.

Anonymous -- Wednesday April 06 2005, @09:43AM (#156768)

Re:Study of The Smiths by Anonymous (Score:0) Wednesday April 06 2005, @10:36AM
Re:Study of The Smiths by goinghome (Score:1) Wednesday April 06 2005, @01:50PM
Re:Study of The Smiths by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday April 07 2005, @12:07PM

Bella Wydicomb (Score:0)

Mmmmmm......Hot! What was the point of including her comment?

Still a babe though!

Sightfreecotter

Meatfreecotter -- Wednesday April 06 2005, @12:07PM (#156803)
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some girls are bigger than others by The Riddler (Score:0) Thursday April 07 2005, @01:14AM
- Re:some girls are bigger than others by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday April 07 2005, @02:33AM
  - Re:some girls are bigger than others by The Riddler (Score:0) Thursday April 07 2005, @03:29AM
    - Re:some girls are bigger than others by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday April 07 2005, @12:20PM
      - Re:some girls are bigger than others by Meatfreecotter (Score:0) Thursday April 07 2005, @02:20PM
        Re:some girls are bigger than others by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday April 08 2005, @02:21AM
        Re:some girls are bigger than others by goinghome (Score:1) Friday April 08 2005, @12:13PM
        Re:some girls are bigger than others by Meatfreecotter (Score:0) Friday April 08 2005, @07:52AM
        Re:some girls are bigger than others by Keith Moon (Score:1) Sunday April 10 2005, @01:27AM
        Re:some girls are bigger than others by exMr.White (Score:1) Sunday April 10 2005, @02:01AM
        Re:some girls are bigger than others by Meatfreecotter (Score:0) Sunday April 10 2005, @02:50AM
        Re:some girls are bigger than others by exMr.White (Score:1) Sunday April 10 2005, @03:03AM

Cut through the crap (Score:1, Insightful)

Forget the critics, the reviews, the re-views, the hype......

Just listen to the Smiths instead of pouring over what other people think. The subjective opinion is meaningless to others.

Enjoy the band for what you perceive them to be to you, not what others preach. To me they saved my life.

Thats my rant over with (for tonight)

Anonymous -- Wednesday April 06 2005, @01:51PM (#156812)

Re:Cut through the crap by Anonymous (Score:0) Wednesday April 06 2005, @02:03PM

Ill Still (Score:1, Funny)

�Does the mind rule the body or the body rule the mind? I don't know," is what Stephen Patrick Morrissey sang.

Well not exactly, try singing that line.

And to be even more pedantic, �I dunno� is correct (and funnier)

(I wouldn�t normally bother pointing this out, but it is Will Self)

Anonymous -- Wednesday April 06 2005, @03:45PM (#156824)

Re:Ill Still by Anonymous (Score:0) Wednesday April 06 2005, @04:38PM
Re:Ill Still by Anonymous (Score:0) Wednesday April 06 2005, @06:13PM
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Re:Mind - body split by goinghome (Score:1) Thursday April 07 2005, @07:51AM
Re:Ill Still by Anonymous (Score:0) Tuesday April 12 2005, @01:11PM

Appraised? (Score:0)

So how much are The Smiths worth?

Anonymous -- Thursday April 07 2005, @12:25AM (#156857)

Re:Appraised? by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday April 07 2005, @04:00AM

Re:Appraised? by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday April 07 2005, @04:45AM

Re:Appraised? (Score:2, Funny)

If I were trapped in a refrigerator, I would.

Grillo <Grillo883NO@SPAMhotmail.com> -- Thursday April 07 2005, @08:21AM (#156901)
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Oh mother ... (Score:1)

Will Self?, that annoying twat that's on Grumpy Old Men?. I once read an artical in The Big Issue and he was slagging Morrissey off. So much for respect !! , Self get a life and a MIND OF YOUR OWN !! WANKER !!.

Hello Indie <i_am_indie@hotmail.com> -- Thursday April 07 2005, @11:15AM (#156914)
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You can shoot me, throw me off a train. But I still remain. Can you stop this pain?.

Re:Oh mother ... by Hello Indie (Score:1) Thursday April 07 2005, @11:21AM
actually... by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday April 08 2005, @02:39AM

Tony Wilson and Will Self - by Strawberry (Score:0)

I may ask Tony Wilson about this on Sunday, to get his views - not wanting to rub it in at all you understand but there's some unfinished business...

To the poster who questioned Will Self - he could have been having a laugh when you quoted him as being rather negative. Mr Self has been very positive on Morrissey's latest work and also he's been widely published and interviewed so you must have heard/read wrong.

Anonymous -- Thursday April 07 2005, @02:02PM (#156928)

Morrissey debate (Score:0)

Read more from the academics involved here:

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/entertainment/music/indieandrock/s/154/154044_ morrissey_under_the_microscope.html

Anonymous -- Friday April 08 2005, @02:01AM (#156962)

Re:Morrissey debate by Anonymous (Score:1) Friday April 08 2005, @02:39AM

The (Irish) Smiths (Score:1)

I'm associating this comment with the story by recollecting Bono's assertion that the Smiths collectively have more Irish ancestry than U2 combined. I don't know if that influence will be debated by the ivory tower heads, but check out this quote from the site today: (which are an added bonus to visiting here, thanks)

"The six great gifts of an Irish girl are beauty, soft voice, sweet speech, wisdom, needlework, and chastity
". -- Theodore Roosevelt, 1907

Before you jump to conclusions, note the date please!

goinghome -- Saturday April 09 2005, @09:41AM (#157123)
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