He have written a lot of brilliant songs.
It´s time to know what the hell have happened with alain.

This has been on the cards for some time, hasn't it.

It's just surprising that nothing official has been said, and that Moz never mentioned it.

Whith that kind of news it won't be such a good year after all, will it? Thanks for the info though. It is the end of an era. Moz and Alain have written amazing songs together. He will surely be missed!

Something tells me the departure was either justified or amicable. I don't think Boz or Gary would hang around if Alain was unfairly treated.

Someone on the MM message board said they had an email from Alain's site, saying that it was being updated and would be back soon.

Hope it's true!

No whining. Bring back Vini Reilly. The Viva through singles era was the best. Of course, the big question is can Moz rise to the occassion? Perhaps he should have stepped from the band in place of some younger, less bloated 'droid. I understand the current, injured Roy (from Sigfried and Roy) is actually a stand-in when the real Roy died some years back. If Morrissey can't find time for the stairmaster, perhaps there's a solution.

you're all jumping to conclusions.

How unusual for this site!!

THe Alain Whyte site is NOT official. It has never been sanctioned by Alain Whyte. Perhaps the fact that the site was selling "official" Alain Whyte merchandise without permission or knowledge of the artist has something to do with it?

Please, say it ain't so. Alain is more important than he may realize.

how about adding some news?

am going to make it simple and to the point.

Alan W. is Mozzer's best co -write, regarless any one say's. For example if Morrissey or the record company let's him go trust me ! You will see all my records,cd's,etc,etc on ebay. re-issue re-issue repackage.... Morrissey your'e killing me!!

Why isn't he out there defending his position and trying to revitalize his career? Why did Moz dedicate No one can hold a candle to you to him on his birthday? Why would his good friends Boz and Gary stay in the band without a word?

The fact is that there is little that indicates anything other than what we have already heard - that Alain is unable to be in the band at the moment, due to some sort of illness. Let's not start any unfounded rumours because of the probably random actions of a website operator.

Why is it that every time there is a bit of news so many go off the deep end with wild speculation? Why can't you just wait for the official news. If we NEVER hear any official news then the next few albums will make it clear where Alain stands, as he will either be there or not. And if (MAY THIS NOT HAPPEN) there are no more albums as some here have once again S P E C U L A T E D, then there really won't be a need for Alain anyway, now will there?

The fact that the link is gone could be as simple to explain as the person above who said it is just down for revisions. Why make it sound like Morrissey had his lawyers remove it due to a contractual agreement that permanently cuts Alain off from ever working with Morrissey again?

As far as the whole "Alain writes/plays better than so & so" and vice versa arguement: If Alain stays, good for him. Let's hope he writes some cracking music. If Alain is replaced, OK then it's time to move on since there is nothing we can do about it and let's hope whomever replaces him writes some cracking music. Either way, let's just hope Alain is well and if things have come to an end between him and Morrissey that it ended peacefully and they are both happy about it.

Without any kind of PROOF at all, we have people blaming and attacking Morrissey. But IF Morrissey did have something to do with Alain no longer being in the group, so what? Granted it won't be easy to find someone as talented as Alain, but that's not our problem. And just as Morrissey came into contact with Alain and things took off from there, so it can happen again with someone else. Most of us didn't know Alain before his work with Morrissey and if he gets replaced it MAY be with someone none of us know now. But we could be very pleased with that new person.

- Truer Poetry

....This is not confirmation that Alain has left the band.
It seems that nobody has a clue what is going on... even if they do, they are not telling us.
  I simply can't understand the people that disrespect Alain on this site.
Morrissey could have done with a few more genuine blokes like him over the years.

Good luck Alain.

the alain whyte site in question was hardly ever updated. maybe alain himself wanted the link taken down. deleting a link from a web site isn't tantamount to severing a decade long musical relationship! quit jumping to conclusions, people.

Given the general "total excommunication" Morrissey affords to ex-collaborators / friends, I suspect that he would have removed any of the pictures from that site that Alain appeared in. So far as I can tell, they all remain.

Coupling this with the fact that the Alain Whyte Syte is "official" only in name, I think anyone would be ill-advised to jump the gun as to the significance of the link being removed.

Besides, listen to the Janice Long session again. Any longtime Morrissey / Alain listener can tell that at least one of those new songs is very likely a Whyte collaboration.

Cheers,

Jamie

Alain is not gone, and if he is Moz is will change for the worst. Moz better get down on his knees and and stop seeing himself as the person with the biggest nuts in the band and acknowledge its his band mates that add a lot to the music probably more than him.
    "HOLD ON TO YOUR FRIENDS"

If this is true it is a sad day for Morrissey fans. I mean no disrespect to Jeese when I say that side of the stage hasn't been the same in a while.
Perhaps it's just a rumour? I hope so.

All of Boz´songs are pleasant at first, then bland as spaghetti. I hope Alain stays (but lose some weight, for God´s sake!) and gives us another Tomorrow.

This site's not on there either, but obviously that doesn't mean that Moz has left the band.

It's sad if true. I hope he hasn't left the band. Maybe Morrissey should win an award for 'running off the most songwriters'. If it's true, or even if it isn't, thanks for all the great tunes, Mr. Whyte.

Remember when Morrissey was going into job interviews and rejested all offers made to him... for example.. We will sign you but not your band and Moz refused... and after all these years without a record deal because he still wanted to be with his loyal bandmates. I think Alain is going through something and Moz is just being a good friend not spilling the beans about Alain.. Moz and the Lads are loyal to each other!!!

Alains Syte? Was unofficial yes. I want you to think about how this has played out thus far my friends. Let me state the obvious ;o)
There were alledged rumors posted on Alain's unofficial Site about his temporary absence. So... Moz and company "unlinked" the site...

Wouldn't you?

Common practiced politics in the Arena

We are NOT entitled to the "truth" about Alain, no matter how many shows we've been to.

There are many possible reasons why the link may have been removed, eg:

i) the site hasn't been updated in a long time and therefore isn't particularly informative

ii) Alain may want some privacy, and therefore forums which result in fan emails or postings asking where he is, has he left, was he sacked is he ill etc - however well intended - aren't appreciated!

In any event, as much as many of us would like to see Alain back with the band...isn't it irrelevant, if, as the coded warning at Earls Court suggests, Morrissey has called it a day? I hope to be proved wrong, but the live album may well be the "new album next year" that Morrissey referred to in the recent Word interview. The lack of any update of the MorrisseyMusic tour placeholders does not bode well.

I agree with others that the link being removed doesn't automatically mean that Morrissey has severed all links with Alain. I really feel that it's yet another aspect of the extrememy low profile which he has adopted at present for whatever reasons.

I wish everybody would let it drop for a while and give the guy the space, privacy and respect he deserves.

I hope he does come back to the fold but it looks unlikely at present. Perhaps whatever his demons are, they will be sorted through time, rest and the patience of his friends, family and fans.

Whatever is troubling him, it's clearly very serious - so he needs to do whatever he feels he needs to - however long it takes.

If he doesn't come back then we always have the amazing music to look back on and cherish. Everyone is replacable but some are more difficult to replace than others. Morrissey made his name before him and will continue without him too... it's a shame but it's true.

Like I said though, I think Alain is great alongside Morrissey and I really hope he gets well soon.

but there is nowhere else to write this.

I really like all the new picture logos on this site at the moment, especially the one produced by 'Featherweight' - a big thumbs up for the excellent Morrissey whipping the microphone cable logo from me!

As for the Alain link on the web-site being removed - it means nothing.

There is no link (that I can see) from MorrisseyMusic.com to Morrissey-solo.com

If no link from MorrisseyMusic.com to the Alain Whyte site means that Alain is 'out' then by the same logic, Morrissey has sacked himself and is now seeking gainful employment elsewhere.

Q.E.D [Quite Easily Done]

without permission and was given a cease
and desist order.

End of Story

I have no desire to read every last comment here so excuse me if someone has expressed this sentiment already. I feel that the Morrissey Camp has been ABSOLUTELY HORRID about keeping the fans informed about ANYTHING, not just the Alain issue. Why do they feel they must keep everything a secret? It gives an air of such dishonesty and I do not like being forced to believe that Morrissey is supporting this childish nonsense. WILL SOMEONE PLEASE JUST TELL US WHAT THE F*** IS GOING ON!!

it looks like Moz has been "typical him"....and Alain is probably gone. At a certain point, nobody will care, not even the dozen or so people you perform for at a Ventura county mall....

kids, it's time to take a pill and calm the fuck down.

there is no official word and none of us are part of the "moz camp."

so, lets relax and wait for an offical word.

damn, this site is full of wanker know it alls. it's fucking gross!

where oh where is anything new... i'm bored with this. morrissey , tell us about your tour, wherever it may lead. tell us about alain, we love you and want to know!

during the fresno gig some two years ago, mozzer said "alain is not allowed to speak, if he speaks, his wages are docked, and you think i'm kidding...

would this be an omen?

what an articulate and considered response.

What a strange comment! Excessively angry for starters! I take your point about Boz's songs - 'Speedway', 'Jack The Ripper, 'I'd Love To' and 'Now My Heart Is Full' all back up your point about the nature of Boz's music. But Alain co-wrote 'Seasick', 'Hold On To Your Friends', 'I Am Hated For Loving', 'Glam Glue' - Vauxhall has some great songs from Alain. But the best songs on Quarry are Alain's - Gang, IBEH. Boz's Quarry songs, like Crashing Bores, are weaker. Boz's songs on Vauxhall may be the best ones, but it's not as simple as you think!

a bottle of jack daniels chased by a six-pack could take the edge off it...

I think this comment was meant in jest. Maybe the 'troll' was joking.

Boz chooses to stand in the back, fyi. Gimme a break.

You fuck wit Moz, I fuck with you. Don't talk shite about my boy.

What else...?

He may well be, but I would trust you no more than I would trust Bush to act with honesty and integrity. Oh, and I don't care either!

Spanner.

You are a toss-pot!

Who are you, Larry King? Tell me something I DON'T know...

PS: There are no Weapons of Mass Distruction in Iraq. Oops - I knew that too.

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