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It's a decent recording, but could do with a bit of a boost from the studio - sounds a bit muted. Other live versions

On the plus side, it is an unencumbered mp3 file, so it's more worth the 99p than itunes or any other 'legitimate' music seller out there.

For all their laudable credentials as a label for cult (usually very goods) artists, Sanctuary are determined to bleed Moz product dry I think. They can see that there will be no better time. As Dylan said, "money doesn't talk, it swears".

Wouldn't it be the same version we can see for free along with the video on mtv.com ?

Also can someone please tell me why I can't find "The First of the Gang" single in Canada ?

It could be that Sanctuary is testing the waters to see if anyone would purchase Live recordings of the shows. Bands like Primus and others, offer mp3 or SHN recordings for sale after a concert. You can buy them online, and it seems to be pretty popular.

Glad to have the track though,

Walter
www.waltark.com

Why can't official web sites ever put mp3's up for people to download for free? There's nothing like seeing a nice, juicy link (hmm) with ".mp3" at the end of it, but why pay for something that a) you can't hold in your hands and b) you could rip from the DVD audio yourself anyway? Moo.

It seems like Morrissey has sold his soul to the devil.

After all the different formats in singles, we have to start paying for poor quality live versions?

I wonder what other horrors the future will have in store.

This sucks. Morrissey is a money-grabbing whore, exactly the kind of record industry fuck he ranted against earlier in his career. Hey kids, will you get a tacky badge with your extra track?

Get off the stage, motherfucker.

Repackage, reissue, buy both and feel the need. Come on Morrissey, I was brought up on a diet of your lyrics. Stop the tills from ringing

Fighting over such a stupid thing as if Morrissey has Sold Out, just because of the internet download thing! For crying out loud, obviously this is just one of the many ways to market Musik and not a way to suck out money from people, I mean, You Don't Have To Buy The Damn Thing If You Don't Want To! It's just a fucking Live recording, nothing to Cry over in outrage! Now if it were B-Sides that they were trying to sell through internet only, and were ONLY available through the website and they did not release them on ANY kind of CD or LP, Then you would have a Reason to Whine! "..And Until that Day, you've got nothing to say to me, to make me believe...that Morrissey has Sold Out!"

Fuck me, there's some bitchy comments on this thread! Don't get me wrong, I respect your right to post them, and I myself have been very critical of much of the new material because I genuinely believe it's not his best. But I stick with him because he has created so much, musically, that I love - Smiths output, Arsenal, Vauxhall. If you really think that he has "become everything [you] despise" then why not just cease buying his records, reading his interviews and coming to his fansite. If he's a sell-out, well, abandon him, find another artist to support. It really is that simple. Some people posting on this thread seem to genuinely HATE him now - ok, fair enough. I'm as disappointed as the next fan with his new music. In fact I haven't been fully satisfied since Vauxhall, which I still regard as a fabulous record. I wish he'd get back to making music of that quality. But despise him I certainly don't. And if you do genuinely despise him or what he has become, a fan site is the wrong place to be - constructive criticism yes, hatred no. If you love The Smiths but loathe what Moz is now, go to Johnny Marr's website - I love Johnny Marr as much as any Smiths fan, and he's not doing any of the things you accuse Moz of. So that's fair enough. As to the actual issue of the downloads, Sanctuary will have a big hand in this. They're not doing anything different to many other bands in selling these live recordings. I really don't think it's quite the satanic act some of you seem to think it is. Furthermore, 'Paint A Vulgar Picture', great track though it is, ceased to be a record of Moz's approach to the music industry long ago. Reissue, repackage anyone? By 1990 or so he'd started that game! The only thing I wish is that he'd make truly great music again.

This is it for Moz! The all out assault, the last push, a final attempt to squeeze every last ounce of juice out of an ever deteriorating career. It's got to be hard on him. You know HE KNOWS the end is deadfully near...and the anticipation of death is far worse than the death itself. It's really hard to watch actually. Sort of like a train wreck....

This is hardly Moz raping your wallet, rather a new industry-wide attempt to explore other revenue streams and explore the potential of new technologies...when you can hop onto any file-sharing server and download an entire copy of "Quarry" for FREE the label is looking for other opportunities, and who can blame them...does everyone have the same problem with iTunes? Because it's the same thing. And live versions of album tracks there are huge sellers. Something about "fans"...remember those?

the comments i've read no this thread have to rank at the most stupid and ignorant i've seen on this board for a long time - and that says something.

so sanctuary are selling a live track, big whoop. you either want it and buy it, or do don't want it and don't buy it. it's really that simple. i personally want it, so i'm buying it.

i really don't see why this should be an issue. this is the way of the future, and if it takes off, perhaps we'll see entire shows being available for download at a reasonable price. i can't wait, i want more live shows and unlike the cheapskates on this board, i'm quite happy to pay for a decent recording as opposed to listening to the really crap bootlegs making the rounds.

I can't believe the fuss that's being made over a live download. It's utterly pathetic. Pray tell, why has Moz sold out? Please explain, cos I don't see it. Let's consider the evidence.

1. Live streaming of tracks is simply a common way of transmitting music now. Loads of bands, indie or otherwise, do this. Why is Moz forbidden from doing thus?

2. Moz has not sold out in terms of his live shows. He's playing with the same band as he was before the 'comeback'. He's gone to Glastonbury and played the least crowd-pleasing set in its history. He's appeared on television and been the least co-operative interviewee possible. I mean, he's hardly become the king of the talk shows has he.

3. He doesn't appear at celebrity bashes or on celebrity-related television. He collected his MOJO Icon award then scarpered before lunch was even served.

4. Lyrically, he's not on top form at the moment, but he hasn't sold out - as far as I can see no-one else is writing about "uniformed whores" or any of the other lyrical concerns he has (whether these concerns are good or bad is a separate issue).

5. Musically - again - not his best album but Alain and Boz aren't playing any differently that they were 7 years ago (this may be the problem!). Jerry Finn is a bit of a compromise, I admit, but doesn't intervene THAT much other than to give the record polish.

6. What's this nonsense about "need another Jag Moz?". How pathetic. The jag he already has was bought from the money he earned from Smiths and solo royalties BEFORE this comeback. Note those words - HE EARNED this money. (and don't bother with the 'he's greedy and fleeced Mike Joyce' argument, the point is he deserves a good portion of his fortune for his part in the Moz/Marr songwriting partnership). It's up to him how he spends it. Wouldn't mind a Jag myself, and most people are lying if they say they wouldn't get themselves a few nice things if they had the money. Don't be hypocrites. He doesn't flaunt his wealth to the public. Only the fans will have seen 'The Importance Of Being Morrissey'.

7. His lifestyle in LA is low-key. C'mon guys, he only went there to confound Mike Joyce! He's not part of the 'LA set' or we'd have heard of it. By comparison to many top celebrities he lives rather modestly. Nice house, sure, but, as we saw from the documentary, stamped with his personality. He hasn't started filling his living room with gaudy chandeliers.

You want sell-out? Let me tell you what that REALLY is. NME recently reported, with quotes from Brian May and Roger Taylor, that they intend to tour with a variety of singers (George Michael, Robbie Williams, Elton John) AS QUEEN. Now that's fucking sell-out, man. Making adverts with Britney and Beyonce dressed in a toga. That's sell-out. Moz doesn't even APPROACH this kind of thing. At worst, he's sought a few new fans and begun to use some of the newer ways of putting out his material. Big fat deal. Give him a break.

Now folks, I really think it's about time we all took a deep breath
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and admit that the fudgepacker's completely sold out.

The dowload I would hazzard a guess is aimed at those who did not buy the DVD single and at 99p he is far from fleecing anyone.

Tip - if you already own it,don't buy it !

As for multi formating, it cost less than a fiver to own all the new tracks over two CD's which lets face it is about the same price as an old fashioned E.P.

5 English pounds to own 3 new songs, a slide show and watch him prancing at his melodramatic best!

Get a grip !