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"Matter of Opinion" - lost Smiths track, according to Mike Joyce
posted by davidt on Wednesday May 01 2002, @09:00AM

 mike w writes:

I went to the event at The Garage Upstairs last night (Apr. 23) with Kevin Cummins, Mike Joyce and Andy Rourke. During the q&a, I asked Mike what material he had and if it was likely to see the light of day. He said there'd been record company interest in using what 'they' had and the material he had. He's also still looking at whether it will ever be possible to post it on his website.

He said that he had a Smiths track called 'Matter of Opinion'. Has anyone else heard of this?

Apparently, Johnny Marr had blocked a release of the Derby/ Old Grey Whistle Test gig whilst Morrissey was happy for it to go ahead.

 
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    Hmmm, very interesting.... (Score:0)
    So it was Marr who gave a thumbs down...
    Anonymous -- Wednesday May 01 2002, @09:20AM (#29080)
    matter of crap (Score:0)
    We would have heard of this already by now. Just sounds like the "Arcana" hoax all over again and the title doesn't convince me. Think it's a wind up, it's not mentioned in The Severed Alliance. Don't hold your breath...
    Anonymous -- Wednesday May 01 2002, @09:33AM (#29090)
    yes it is a real song.. (Score:1)
    i found out about this song some months ago. it is in fact a legit song. don't know what it sounds like, but the person that had it mentioned it to me. i laughed it off and didn't believe him.. damn, was i wrong.
    xavier -- Wednesday May 01 2002, @10:27AM (#29097)
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      Derby (Score:0)
      Marr always hated that Derby gig. It's no surprise that he didn't want it released is it really?
      Anonymous -- Wednesday May 01 2002, @11:50AM (#29105)
        the song was mentioned on mike joyce's website (Score:1, Informative)
        i read about the song on mike joyce's website a while ago. someone had asked him about the unrealeased songs he had, and he said he had a song called "Matter of opinion". but i think they've changed the questions and answers since.
        Anonymous -- Wednesday May 01 2002, @12:27PM (#29106)
        LETTERS of moz (Score:1, Informative)
        Let me tell you there's a Page with some Letters Steven wrote to a Scottish friend. Deeply reveiling!!!!

        www.torr.org/moz/letters.html
        Anonymous -- Wednesday May 01 2002, @03:11PM (#29122)
        Its real! (Score:1)
        The song is definately true, I found out about it a while ago. There are many many more unheard of tracks out there, to bad that they might never see the light of day.
        Ambitious 0utsider -- Wednesday May 01 2002, @03:23PM (#29124)
        (User #3860 Info | http://www.Ambitious-Outsiders.com )
        • Re:Its real! by Celibate Cry (Score:1) Wednesday May 01 2002, @07:48PM
          miserable liars (Score:1, Insightful)
          Great that there is more stuff - is this song is true - but it makes me laugh all these posts suddenly going "oh yeah, I've known about this for ages". Yeah right - then why hasnt anybody mentioned it before. There are that many fan sites surely SOMEBODY would have mentioned it if only as a vicious rumour like "Arcana"? I dont believe people who regularly visit this site knew and couldn't be bothered letting other people know considering some of the more trivial rumours that get put on here.

          Just admit that nobody knows about this - we're all in the dark and we could all say "I've known about this song for months" but the reality is we didnt. We've no idea what its like, when it was recorded, who produced it or anything. Let's just wait and see instead of trying to outdo each other by claiming one upmanship. And if there ARE more songs you lot know about --- THEN TELL US NOW not in a few years after somebody else has mentioned them.
          Anonymous -- Thursday May 02 2002, @02:04AM (#29143)
          old demo (Score:1)
          My guess is that this is - at best - some rough instrumental. That also explains why Morrissey doesn't care if it's released or not. Maybe it's an early demo of a song that was later released under a different name.
          Joemoz <jnso@hotmail.com> -- Thursday May 02 2002, @04:19AM (#29147)
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          • Re:old demo by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday May 02 2002, @05:18AM
            • Re:old demo by hand in glove (Score:1) Thursday May 02 2002, @08:27PM
              Other unreleased songs (Score:2, Funny)
              Here are some more unreleased Smiths songs

              1. I'M POPPING OUT TO THE PAKI SHOP
              Great early Moz lyric. Very PC. Can't think why it never got released.

              2. WHAT'S THE POINT OF SHARING?
              Great early Moz lyric. Song ruined only by the rhythm section who keep stopping midway to give each other quizzical looks.

              3. CALL MY BLUFF AND LEAVE YOU BASTARD!
              Written in May 1987. Can't quite fathom what this one is about.

              4. STEP INTO MY CAR (I'VE SOMETHING TO SHOW YOU LITTLE BOY)
              Great early Moz lyric which in no way has anything to do with paedophiles.

              5. LINDER, OH LINDER, MY LOVELY LINDER
              Great early Moz lyric which some idiots might think is about his mate Linder Sterling for reasons I personally cannot fathom.

              6. CHASE ME, I'M FREE, WHAT A GAY DAY!
              Great early Moz lyric. Very ambiguous.

              7. HARK! ANNA!
              Mistakenly referred to as Arcana. Great early Moz lyric about a chance encounter with newsreader Anna Ford whose footseps can be heard for some distance.

              ... all will be available as 30 second downloads on Audio Galaxy very shortly. You lucky people!
              Anonymous -- Thursday May 02 2002, @06:44AM (#29164)
              derby gig (Score:0)
              i've got a vhs copy of the gig from a.. er ...close source. is it not readily available as a bootleg?
              Anonymous -- Thursday May 02 2002, @07:25AM (#29170)
              • Re:derby gig by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday May 02 2002, @07:52AM
                • Re:derby gig by iciclwrks (Score:1) Wednesday May 22 2002, @10:14PM
                • Re:derby gig by Violeta (Score:1) Thursday May 02 2002, @03:24PM
                  Its MY "Matter of Opinion".... (Score:0)
                  ...that someone is blowing smoke up our bums!
                  Anonymous -- Thursday May 02 2002, @09:30PM (#29221)
                    Matter of Opinion is NOT an instrumental song (Score:2, Informative)
                    the song is mentioned on mike joyce's question board (i think it's the third question). www.mikejoyce.com
                    apparently morrissey did put words to the song!

                    /jen
                    Anonymous -- Friday May 03 2002, @01:48AM (#29228)

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