This is getting really too complicated for me.

I appreciate that we can be critical on this site. Some of the things on Ambitious Outsiders are very interesting, but I don't particularly like the general devout and dribbling tone on it which is luckily missing here.

And as far as that rumoured tour is concerned: I hope I'M wrong, but April seems pretty short-noticed to me as there's nothing official, no ticket sales etc. yet. A whole tour can't be pulled off within a few weeks. Also, some of his band members are busy during that time.

Or does it mean we're finally gonna get the karaoke tour we've all been waiting for??

Well, I can't say I agree with waiting for Morrissey outside his house. He could have been pretty scared... and I don't think that's fair. If you want to meet him, I think that it's up to him when you meet. Not for you just to turn up when you like. What if he hadn't been very well or was in a bad mood, or you know, he just didn't feel up to it. Nevermind him thinking the worst when two fans are waiting at the bottom of his drive.

SAYING THAT, I think the photos are excellent, Morrissey looks great and I really enjoyed reading the guy's account of meeting his (and my) hero. I hope this doesn't spawn loads of copycat activities... that would be just, wrong.

What a hypocrite I am, first of all saying "Yeah, you shouldn't blah blah" and then saying "but he DID look great..." Oh well, at least I'LL know what I mean!

Cheers.

He probably just said he'd be out in April to get the guy who was lurking around his house out of his way.
If Morrissey had said "oh, no tour at the moment", he'd have to deal with this guy hanging around trying to see him, which can NOT be a very comfortable thing to face.
The tactics used to gather this info is despicable and completely unreliable. Morrissey has many mouth pieces to announce a tour. A publicist, 4 band members & numerous websites(this one being the premier site) at his disposal and he chooses to tell some guys hanging on on his curb?

DavidT, nobody can doubt you are a highly ethical person, and that you fully live this concept, for this site is based on ethics as the ideal behind it.
Any society and community have failures, having criticism present here is better than not having it, for even when it is poorly done or just a valve of scape for some, in the end things are much more balanced than if criticism was forbidden.
There are filters too, every piece of info is subjected to the reader's internal filters and the writer's subjective views are balanced by the reader's subjective views, I guess it's a natural process.
About the link you provided on this subject, for me it didn't work today (I think I already read it, but I would like to read it again).
It's funny because earlier today I was researching about the late Bourdieu and found an article written by a person who wanted to establish that communication in the internet creates a form of culture, and that therefore Bourdieu's model could be applied to it. There's not much about freedom of speech there, but I found it interesting anyway. If anyone is interested the link is

[itcs.com]

(I warn that it is extremely boring to 99,99% of the human beings though... but I am also getting old and those little discussions have a particular interest to me, so forgive me if I am not commenting a lot whether there would be a new tour or not...)

maybe it's just me, but this ambitious-outsiders site is very slow, and i'm on a blasted T3 connection. i swear, i spent 20 minutes waiting for the pages to load. oh, and the typos! nice pics though. though i think the both of you are stalkers. morrissey must have nothing better to do.

Apparently, ambitious outsiders is the Matt Drudge of all things Moz. So many things here... If Morrissey didn't want to talk to these guys, he would never have talked to them. Sounds a bit simplistic, I know, but that's the way it works. He could have gone back inside, telephoned the police, and had them removed. I give this kid a great deal of credit for going after his dream of meeting Morrissey and actually making it happen. If you have ever had this experience, and a lot of you have, you know what a great experience it is and how incredibly personable and open Moz is with his fans [in person anyway]. That being said, there is something about the story that seems a bit contrived. Maybe contrived isn't the right word. I don't know. Given the "all access" photo's and tour/album info, I can't shake my initial gut reaction that this whole thing was pre-arranged by Morrissey and his camp. If that is the case, SO WHAT! It is still wonderful news and the pictures are great. I thought the Morrissey comments about the hurtful and negative vibe that rules the day at Morrissey-solo.com were right on target. Personally, I am o.k. with that. I like to see different opinions and watch how upset people can get with one another over the life of Morrissey. I, Myself, am guilty of inciting angry debate from time to time myself. Nothing is quite as entertaining as getting Deb of the west side riders all riled up, or baiting "hand in glove" into spewing some of his quasi-intelectual crap [see, I'm doing it again]. Moving on from my conspiracy theories.......Doesn't Morrissey look great. He just oozes a sense of good health and seems more at ease than ever. As for Davids comments. I thought he exhibited some class. It would be a shame if he stopped this site, but if your heart isn't in it man, move on. Life is waaaaayyyy too short to devote that much time to something you are no longer passionate about.
Happily anonymous!

I am truly embarrassed to be reading this on Morrissey-solo. David, I must say you have a wonderful site here, often reporting pertinent Morrissey-related information.. However, posting fans accounts of stalking just doesn't seem quite right..

I realize this goes on, but I think by your relaying this information on here as a headline it only goes to encourage other people that they TOO might be able to meet morrissey if they wait outside of his house long enough. Leave the poor man in peace.

ambitious-outsiders is a cool site and provides some competition to moz-solo (which was getting a little too conventional for my own taste). Now if Morrissey wants a flock of adoring, uncritical, naive lambs such as Chris as his fanbase, forget it. David Tseng has it exactly right when he points out how contradictory it is that Moz, of all people, feels hurt by critical statements.
I suggest that, from now on, this site's motto should be
www.morrissey-solo
"we are very critical here"
(but we're not stalkers)

Personally, if I was in Morrissey's shoes, I'd have said whatever it would take to get away from any guy resembling Lennie from Of Mice and Men. Scary. "But...I just wants to hug you, Moz." :p

when i try to visit the site i get an "under construction" sign...how did you all see the pics and the story?

I think that those guys from that outsiders website maybe made that up what Moz said about this site as a way for people to not be drawn to this site anymore but to go to their site, which copies from this site in a lot of ways....
I love this site so much more-David-you do SUCH an enormously good job. Just wanted to remind you of how awesome it is that you do what you do. By the way it was a very intelligent statement you made about those stalkers from the outsiders website....I call them stalkers because I found it quite rude of them to do that...

Surely, Morrissey's comments about someone else's website could have been kept off the record ?

Well, I think unless these questions and answers have been tape recorded, they are all subject to interpretation as one can never really remember exactly what was said. Also, the excitement of meeting Morrissey also has to have an effect on memory. So a word here and there may make a difference as to the effect of an answer or the question it was answering.

Like Moz said in a past interview "...people that really know me would not snoop around my house peering in windows..." or something like that.

If you are on this site i'm assuming you know how Moz is. You'd know that he wouldn't be comfortable having people lurking around his house and such. It's perfectly fine if you happen to catch Moz on the street out of the blue but staking out his house in the early morning just doesn't seem right.

Let's show some respect.

I don't agree that people shouldn't for example just have a look at his house, and maybe walk past it. But if I were Morrissey I would have found some of those guys comment...well freaky! Maybe if it'd been a couple of teenage girls(such as myself), I would have thought he might have been slightly flattered. I really don't know how they had the courage, I would be numb! These guys seem to be completely uncritical of Morrissey, I would say that this is unhealthy and I would have thought even he would not like to be viewed in this way. I don't see why young Stephen would have a problem with this site, it hardly ever carries critical comments, and if it does these are intelligent and well thought out. I found his comments really so strange. Afterall, why would anyone who posts on this site have anything against him? We are all fans! Unless maybe Robert Smith the fat goth visits here in disguise ( I love him really). Come on Morrissy if you read this, please tour England! Don't hold the sins of the press against us!You should be grateful that 16 year old girls love you, (my friend Amy who's not even a smiths fan lusts after you, you are as we say a right "thong"). You know you love it here really, and we love you!

Moz looked frightened in those pictures. If you're surrounded by a thuggish looking Mexican midget and a 350 pound man on the verge of tears, do you run back into the house? Moz was scared.

Joking aside, I think this is pathetic. David shouldn't even be posting crap like this. Those guys are STALKERS - period.

Morrissey has to be behind the ambitious outsiders website. Before you all freak out on me and drone on about how wonderful Morrissey-solo is, take a quick look about. The meeting of Moz was obviously a planned event. How could you look at him posing for those pictures and draw any other possible conclusion. Those weren’t candid snapshots. Those were snapshots made to seem candid. And the questions that he wrote “at the last minute”???? really…. As for the website, slag it off if you like, but it really is quite good. BIG TIME ADS there. Big time ads for a site with 22,000 hits?? Hmmmm. 14:54, 14:55, 14:56, 14:57…well fifteen minutes are drawing to an end for someone. Something big is coming in MozLand. If you listen carefully and pay attention, you’ll agree

Hey, davidt, as I'm concerned, You did an excellent job in the past and still do with this website. Regardless of what Moz actually said about this website, You provide an quite lively forum for mostly bright NON-SYCOPHANTIC people to exchange opinions about Moz, Britpop and pretty much everything else!
My 5 Points of Light, :-)

1.) How credible Chris is? OK, we saw the pictures, but what exactly Moz said about us. Maybe he meant not to disassociate from this website but to lament in general terms about Internet people disliking Maladjusted and his recent non-touring...

2.) If Moz Court is indeed the Force behind Facade of Chris and Company, I have no comment... Putting down critical mass of his own fans??? ... "Revolution devours its own children"
However, I doubt it... What if Moz was just trying to say something nice to two teenage stalkers... and was misquoted?!

3.) If Moz keeps his hiatus, we still have a lot to discuss (Clue: Robert Smith, Johnny Marr, Strokes, Belle 'n Sebastian, Radiohead, Oasis, Pulp, Tori Amos, Tool, NIN et cetera... et cetera)
David, no reason to call it quits, rename this cite to Brit-pop and people will still be here hanging round and enjoying themselves.

4.) Kill me for this, the whole Chris fawning over Moz looked to me like something from Saturday Night sketch about overbearing teenage fans.

5.) OK, whatever about his IQ, Chris pictures are cool... I'm sure davidt and Moz will smoke pipe of Peace eventually blah blah blah... The truth is, if Moz is going to tour without an album, he will lose me and some other people on this. Say, I would like to see him anyway at least once, but so many more relevant and touring artists are on my mind right now...

Fox in the Snow

on the pics chris made of meeetong Morrissey,that
his hair is getting more quiffy compared to the
past years .
mhhhhh, he looks wonderfull at 42 [almost 43],
and typical brittish, white blouse and spencer.
Another thing is he shlould get a more reliable car,but I guess he has more than one than that
black ugly designed one he sat when he got
phototgraghed.
btw, I don't believe anything about a tour, maybe
it has to do with those 'guest apearences' which
was metioned a time ago.
Only with a new album in the store and out I'll
see him go on tour, or maybe , maybe 2 concerts
or so in his hometown LA, or he shows up at Boz's
show as guest, who knows?

I, personally, would never take part in any "Operation Morrissey," but at the same time it's got to do SOME good for Moz's ego to have fans go through all that just to meet him (keep in mind he actually encourages fans to rush the stage at shows and embrace/kiss him). So if this type of activity happens every blue moon, then I don't think there's anything to worry about; if there are indeed copycats out there who will attempt this on a regular basis, then that is DEFINITELY, WITHOUT A DOUBT, wrong.

According to a well placed source at Morrissey's current booking company there is nothing planned for Morrissey to tour ANYTIME. As others have posted, April seems a bit early. Unless Morrissey was referring to April 2003, don't get too excited. There is nothing happening this spring, or summer for that matter.

Thought this was worth posting. The person I spoke to would LOVE for Morrissey to tour, but sadly thinks that this isn't going to happen.

So Morrissey is planning on touring again in April, with still no new material released. So what???? This is going to mean more criticism from many people because he still has yet to release a new album. You know what? maybe that's why he wants to tour? Ya....you make some money when you tour, but maybe, just maybe the reason he might be doing these shows is because their is no new material yet, and he wants to keep his fans(Many of whom are spoiled brats) happy? Lets' not forget, a record deal is a buisness tranaction, and whatever the reasons for him not signing a deal yet, are really none of our fu@king buisness. Yes, we all want him to release something, and it's annoying, irritating, and frustating because there is no new material. But I for one am sick of everyone bitching about it because most of us do not really know for a fact why he has not yet gotten a deal. You can speculate all you want, but none of us are his buisness partners, so I am not going to make some bullsh!t comment about how he has not signed a deal because he is too greedy or something along those lines like many have said here before. I for one thinks it's great that he might play some shows in April. Instead of complaining about no record, be happy that he might play live again. Who knows how much longer he will play live for anyone.
            As to whether or not these guys are stalkers or whatever.....I have no opinion cause I don't know them, or know if this was a planned meeting with Moz. Regardless, that is besides the point. People should respect his space, and not invade his privacy, yes. But also, Many, many people know where he lives in LA, he parks his car in front of the house, not the garage, and continues to live there, so it can't be that bad. I have drove past his house a few times just out of curiousity like anyone else, but have heard from quite a few people waiting outside for hours upon end, and peering through his windows. Get a grip people. If you are that desperate to meet him, it is really not that hard. Everyone in LA pretty much knows what late night hangout he frequents, and he stll goes there from what I have heard recently. If I had not have ever met him before, and were maybe 10 years younger, I might think about going up to his door and having tea with him or something crazy like that, but I don't think I would have really had the balls to actually walk up to his door. All I'm saying is to people that might be thinking about doing something like this at his home, think about how stupid, and or irrational that might make you look to the man, and maybe you will change your mind about how you go about meeting him.
          I also do agree strongly with the fact, that Morrissey has been critical of MANY, MANY people or things, so he should be able to take the critiscm that people dish out on him. I could sit here and copy pages and pages of quotes where he has criticised many people, but what's the point? Of course he may be hurt about what he has read here in the past. Note to many.....he is a person. It is never fun, when it comes back around to you, but that is something that every single one of us is guilty of. We have all said the wrong things and made mistakes, so that's just the way it goes. Maybe he is just upset because these rumors and slaggings are coming from his so-called fans, that supposedly adore him. It's one thing when it's froma a total stranger but another thing when it's from someone that supposedly is supposed to be one your side.

honestly, I don't think that ambitious-outsiders can even be compared to morrissey-solo! Chris writes a lot of unecessary stuff on there. Imagine us coming here, and reading a post about the time in David's life where he couldn't go to bed without masturbating first!

Morrissey looked great in the photos. That's really something that he took his time to pose for them. It just goes to show what an incredibly nice man he is. As for the subject of criticism, I think it can be good to have intelligent, helpful suggestions from time to time, but it's got to stop when insulting remarks creep up out of nowhere. I think something should be done to control them. This would seem impossible to do since so many people come here, but I think comments that receive 'troll' or 'flamebait' scores should automatically be deleted. That way no attention whatsoever is given to them.
       
For me, as a visual artist, I sometimes need constructive criticism in order to see things from all angles, but I would be very hurt if someone just totally trashed me as a person, etc.. Even if it was a complete stranger, the feeling would still be there. So.......... try to be nice.

Chris is the luckiest bastard in the world!

I can't help thinking that Morrissey is packing his suitcases, booking a one-way airline ticket, and putting his house up for sale as I write this.

He has found a great deal of peace and zen like serenity since moving to LA, I hope he doesn't end up with obsessives/fans camping outside his gate on a daily basis due to the success of Chris and pal. If his privacy is encroached upon on a regular basis he will really have to leave L.A.

Remember Morrissey is the least starry eyed person in Hollywood. He really enjoyes peace and seclusion. He would be the last person to court popularity and fame as we know it. The last thing he wants is to face a circus of unhinged obsessive fans every time he leaves the house.

Morrissey is a 'scholar and a gentleman' as they say in the East End of London. That he should find time and patience for these two uninvited guests is both a testament to his legendary gentleness and inate good manners. I think if we all modelled our behaviour on The Saintly One - I have no doubt that this site would lose a lot of the hard boiled nastiness that lurks around in here from time to time.

I completely disagree with everything in that essay on Anonymous Cowards recommended by David. They (the ACs') are giving this site a bad name. Remember we are supposed to be a community of Morrissey fans coming in here to discuss appropriate subject matter, display our personality quirks and exchange views with a degree of respect for everyone who comes in here.

AC's have absolutely nothing to offer anyone in here except the mediocrity of their faceless personalities and spitefulness of their remarks.

More often than not they just trade on insults and give real contributors in here like me a bad name. They seem to be completely misinformed about Morrissey and his work - which makes me think that they are just time wasting saddos who come in here deliberately to stir up animosity.

They seem to me to be dysfunctional fans of The Cure with nothing better to do except spit venom and hatred.

The sooner they are banned the better it will be for all the genuine posters who comes in here.

I would love to believe Morrissey was touring in April. It might be true...

But the ambitious outsider is becoming a bit too ambitious.

1. Ambitious-outsiders.com exists to profit of the sale of bootlegs. This publicity stunt and the traffic it is generating to his site is going to make this boy's wallet heavy.

2. If you'd like to see Morrissey's home as a sort of pilgrimage, please feel free to do so. Part of his job as a self-made idol is to accept our visits. But DO NOT go more than once and DO NOT bother him.

3. Kudos to David Tseng for understanding that this self-made idol is not made of gold. He's just gilded on the edges.

you'd think he'd have a better car than that.

Although I visit this site more often than ambitious-outsiders (although the number of visits are becoming about equal now) I enjoy both places equally; I can have both! There can never be too many Morrissey-related websites out there. I admire the dedication of both David and Chris to make their sites wonderful resources for other fans.

davidt, I'm sorry that your enthusiasm of maintaining the site is waning. I extend my most sincere gratitude for all that you've done here. (would you like a hug?)

And about people stalking Morrissey and waiting at his house, I hope it doesn't become an epidemic. It seemed that Chris and Abrahan knew their limits and did not overstay their welcome. I don't think Moz was that bothered, because he was so sweet and polite to them. However, I think it might've been a bit too much to have two visits within five days.

Regarding the tour in April:
After reading some of the comments here I'm starting to doubt the news just a bit. (What if Moz just said that to get the question out of the way?) Until it's proven false, however, I'll keep on believing it and I'll try my best to make it to at least one of the concerts if this news is true.

I feel the exact same way as you do about this article. I heard about it before it was posted here and quite frankly I felt discomforted with the whole notion of it. I was glad that there was no mention of it until now. It just didn't seem right to promote fans going to his house and sitting there until he comes out. We all know where he lives but it doesn't mean go up there and bother him. All over Hollywood he is spotted all the time, if you run into him great, if not don't go to his house, it just ain't right! And as for Moz alleged commenting on the hurtful things said about him, all I can say is you reap what you sow! Morrissey-solo is a great site and I am glad that David did create it.

let's see how to be simplistic about it:

i can't obviously say, "bad, Chris, bad!" after i go to his website and freely read what he did. i admit i'm satiating my own curiosity. i know that he (and many others) have parked their cars and run up when they saw him standing around outside.

but what does it mean? is it an interview? is it a fan account? should it be called an interview? especially when they introduced themselves as having a website. any braniac will know that they will go home and write every word said. Why would they have a Morrissey website and not do it? Unless he's spoiled to how David T works in just sorta presenting himself in a certain way.

and keeping the bit about the meanness off the record: may i actually say "good job" to Morrissey actually verbally standing up for himself. the message might not have been directly said to anyone, and i'm probably lumped in there somewhere, but his friends standing up for him on his behalf is not the same thing, regardless if they do it because he asks them to or not. and now, may he see the direct results of the words coming from his mouth. people are debating and thinking.

however, as i've said before, there are many other websites with morrissey meeting stories and pics, and this is one of them.

however, there are implications. does it mean because they got to march up to his house that it's OK for everyone? obviously, everyone's been doing it already. people were already going to think its OK, even before Chris got his stupendous results. "oh boy! maybe he'll tell me the albums' new title!" but probably in the end, all that will happen is that the same people who have already been by his place are now going to make trip number 8 to see if maybe they can luck out and see him standing around.

and for all you math freaks who can add days and owners of calendars out there, this might be the beginning of February, but a tour does not have to start on April 1st. Maybe it starts on the 30th? that's still loads of time to announce dates.

although morrissey could have meant "April in the year of MY ASS!!!"

Ok, seems a little weird that two guys came from nowhere and started to make questions to Morrissey and take pictures of him. What could Morrissey do? "No no, no pictures, no talking, get out of here!"

Morrissey was a gentleman, very polite and sweet, talking to those guys he never saw before. he could simply call the police and don't even reply those kids, but he talked to them! Scared? I don't think Moz was scared. Shy? That's what I think. Morrissey, in my opinion is very very shy.

After all I think it's not nice running to his house to wait an oportunity to jump on him, and act like a wannabe, take lots of pictures, etc...

I can see Morrissey was unconfortable, but remember that's Morrissey. He's often unconfortable, in any interview is the same. He is shy!!

What really makes me surprised is the fact that a famous person goes out of his house to talk with anonymous people. it's clear for us those kids are good guys, just fans, they are ok, but they could not be those nice kids we know.

Morrissey has no official site, don't give real informations on his carrer, no one knows for sure if he someday will record again, conclusion: we know almost nothing about him. So, I'm happy to see those pictures, and I'm happy to know that he is still great, and keeps his statement that he already has songs to record.

If you didn't like the attitude of people from ambitious outsider, ok, but the ugly, vulgar comments on them are really hurtful, as much as the comments most of you often do about Morrissey.

Face it: Morrissey has been around here, and he certainly was not happy with the cute words you use to describe him. Stop being fascists, people. It's easy to destroy a person behind your sacred computers, but I doubt that you'd have the nerve to say the same things face to face.

Cowards!!

You people who go and stand outside Morrissey's house are pathetic bafoons. The man is not even worth stalking. His latest gigs and albums sucked really bad. Mostly newer fans (if you know what I mean) seem to like those albums, and only saw the latest tour (just look at one of the latest polls). The Morrissey who used to like Oscar Wilde and put on energetic shows with decent setlists, and had intelligent things to say is long gone. If that Morrissey knew what he was going to turn into he would have probably killed himself. Back in the early 90's I was proud to be a Morrissey fan but it is now quite an embarasing thing. I would not even bother trying to influence anybody into listening to him anymore, because it would just lead to embarassment and disappointment. Morrissey had his time but it seems that the world ended up getting the best of him. If there is any hope left for him he needs to stop spending his time on the internet reading comments, move away from this continent, forget about all of the unfortunate crap that has happened to him in the past 10 years and get down to writing some good material again. Otherwise it is hopeless and he should just announce his retirement. When I watch "These Charming Men" perform, and if I stand far enough back, it's like I am watching the old Morrissey perform again. That band is truely amazing. I enjoyed watching them more than I did watching Morrissey on the "Oye Esteban" tour. Seeing them is the only Morrissey related thing that I have left to look forward to. I guess that is pretty sad, but that is the way that I feel.

Let's face it.
We're all a little jealous aren't we?
I don't think these two people were doing anything intrusive. They didn't climb his gates or hide in the bushes. They waited outside and Morrissey granted them a conversation. Wouldn't many of us love to have such an opportunity?
Jesus! If I were Morrissey reading this right now I wouldn't be changing my opinion of this site anytime soon.
And for the record, today was the first time I've ever heard of the Ambitious Outsiders site.

I agree, these rant-fests are getting a bit predictable...

no need to be jealous. we all know where the man lives and if we really wanted to we could do the same. there is a difference between being a fan and being obsessed. i just think anyone who believes they are a true fan would have common sense to know this behavior isn't appropriate. what is more important respecting the space and privacy of someone you admire or having the satisfaction of being able to say i have met him. i just hope this dosnt inspire a bunch of kids to drive out to hollywood and harass him.

david, I can fully see how enthusiasm can fade when years and years of excellent work go by with so little feedback from the one who's getting the most out of it.
Working on band-sites myself I think I couldn't do it without them telling me how much they appreciate it from time to time...

The only thing that could be said in defense of Mighty M is that this was NOT an official interview where he was asked about the site. It was just some fans throwing questions at him while he was busy signing stuff for them. He might not have been aware of the fact that this would go out to the world wide morrissey-web. If this would have been an official statement I would have found this comment about Morrissey-solo highly offensive for you, david. Even if he didn't mean it.

Anyway, I personally hope you'll carry on doing what you proved over and over to do better than anybody else. We need this place. And Morrissey should be aware of the fact that *he* needs it more than anybody else....

Well privacy is one thing, but Morrissey is a famous celebrity and surely if he didnt want star struck fans doing anything to meet him he'd never have picked up a mic. Whats the price of fame? Can you expect to be famous, loved and worshiped and not expect people to want to see you at any opportunity?

We ARE very critical here. The jealous seeping out of everyone's veins at this sweet story is making a stain on the carpet. Fuck, look at the pictures! Morrissey is loving it! If he didn't want to talk to them, he didn't have to. The fact is, he loves his fans. Don't be jealous that someone got off their arse and went to meet him and you didn't. I say full respect to the guys. I wish I had the balls to do that. I wouldn't have the confidence to go out and get what I wanted like that.

And what a fabulous tank top Morrissey is wearing! Do you think he's got a stylist up there?

Brilliant work, kids. I say, hats off to them.

While I personally wouldn't hang out in Moz's driveway, I get the feeling from a lot of comments posted heretofore that some readers feel that Chris and friend were constituting themselves a nuisance and breaking certain "star-to-fan protocols" by going up to Morrissey's house. ("How dare they do that?") Morrissey was ever so polite and accommodating and approachable. Might that not be an example for us to follow? Or you can take on the ugly and judgemental arrogance of a few self-proclaimed holy men of the first century that thought little children ought to leave Christ alone. Jesus said in response, "Let them come to me." Morrissey seemed to emulate a similarly patient spirit in dealing with these two fans.

Now Morrissey isn't Jesus, and some of you out there don't even believe Jesus existed. But rest assured the Jewish clerical group known as the Pharisees did exist and they manifested the same vicious and condescending attitudes that are reflected often in comments on this site. Perhaps that is part and parcel of what sticks in Moz's craw about this site. Moz himself has lambasted the hypocritical and judgemental in our world. That comes through loud and clear in his word and song. My impression from his overall body of work is not that he objects to criticism in general, but specifically criticism from the ill-informed or those whose criticism is motivated by evil or hatred.

Finally, the overwhelming response to this story speaks for itself as to the propriety of its being posted on this site. Even without an April tour mention, the story would produce an impassioned discussion that gives pause for each of us to consider how we feel about celebrity and those that celebrate.

stalking.
shame on you both.

Those two fellows from Ambitious Outsiders seriously gave me the creeps. I abhor all this 'I'm your number one fan and you mean so much to me' nonsense. 'Misery' anybody?

When I first read this Morrissey info, the very thing that struck me was not that Morrissey was going on tour or that it was reaffirmed that a new album was recorded what struck me was what he said about Morrissey-solo. He repeated this absurd claim that Morrissey-solo is filled with rude and cruel comments.

Every so often the melodramatic among us will wretch when someone expresses a harsh opinion that “if Morrissey read this he would be hurt”. It’s funny to imagine a grown man, of substantial intelligence with more than a modicum of world fame being hurt by a semi-anonymous web posting. It’s the Internet for god’s sake. When was the last time the Internet had an emotional effect on anyone? I just never believed that Morrissey was as susceptible to this ridiculousness as were some of his fans. If you believe this interview, then it appears he is.

There are many websites dedicated to Morrissey. Tributes are what they call themselves. That’s exactly what they are. Some guy or girl paying tribute to Morrissey. Using their time to express their devotion to Morrissey. The photos are all of Morrissey, the words are all quotes by Morrissey and the ideas and opinions, are yet again, all Morrissey.

There are many of these websites and then there is Morrissey-solo. Make no mistake Morrissey-solo is not one person’s tribute to Morrissey; in fact it is less about Morrissey as it is about his fans. Morrissey-solo has diversity of ideas and opinions, from those, which are memorable, and to those which we wish to forget.

Morrissey-solo like any collective expresses the best and the worst.

I think I know why some people don’t like Morrissey-solo.

Morrissey-solo is a community.

Its not about you, or me, its about us. It’s a community, you can’t control what people think or say. It’s like when you leave your house in the morning. You could stay home, you could not go out, not meet other people, get your opinions and facts from the TV. There are people who do just that, and I think tribute websites are for these people. Morrissey-solo is meant for the people who want to go out in the world, who don’t break into sobs when someone says Morrissey looks old or that he is washed up. When you’re out in the open, in the community, you are going to brush up against the riff-raff - the ones who live off getting a rise of those who can’t stand to hear a negative opinion of Morrissey. You are also going to meet great people, people like davidt, people who understand exactly what is to be a fan.

  Morrissey-solo is not imitating or even emulating Morrissey, it’s about interpreting who he is through who you are. That means that when Morrissey does something, you don’t have the knee jerk reaction of taking on whatever Morrissey opinion is. You take what he did and you see how it stands up against your own opinions. Then you post exactly what you feel, not what Morrissey feels or what someone wants to read. You post the truth according to you. Not many websites allow you to do that. That’s why there is so much disagreement on Morrissey-solo. Different opinions are okay, it’s the way it’s meant to be. We are our own person, with our own lives, ideas and beliefs.

  I guess Morrissey prefers the tribute sites that take everything he says at face value, that inherit his hate for Mike Joyce, who without dissent buy up all the re-releases Fine. It’s his loss. Just as Morrissey has tribute sites, there are tribute sites for Britney Spears, Nsync, Enema, and all the other made for consumption bands, they come and go as the webmasters move in and out of puberty. None of those bands however have a Morrissey-solo; none of those bands have a community like this. I won’t forget that, and I hope you don’t and even if Morrissey can’t stomach the commentary I hope he doesn’t either.

That's how I'd define the posts that criticize and insult Chris on this thread. Here's why:

1-you can't blame Chris and his friend for following their dream (at least not until a restraining order is issued, as the Top5list guys say);
2-Moz did not try to get rid of them; he actually stopped, chatted etc; How can you call that stalking?
3-fans like Chris, unexperienced, clumsy and ungrammatical as they may be, are the ones who represent the future, not the jaded, aging bores who can do nothing but complain and ramble on in the usual self-pitying, self-absorbed manner;
4-although he's probably embarrassed by all the patronizing blahblahblah, David Tseng does an excellent job here; I cannot recall any other webmaster who's as consistently honest and self-effacing as he is; he writes very well, and the site is brilliantly organized and has a great, elegant overall design. That said, I do think moz-solo was getting a little bit rusty, and the ambitious-outsiders scoop will no doubt provide a challenge not only to davidt, but to all of us who used to do nothing but complain;
5-I'm not saying we should all camp outside the Carole Lombard mansion and smother Morrissey with questions the minute he comes out, but I do think we should try to organize asap a chat session, or at least an extensive Q & A with the Man; that would be the only way for him to speak up, to give us real info and updates and to deny the rumors that allegedly hurt him. If Morrissey refuses, that will simply prove the assumption that he no longer cares, and that we'd better move on. If he agrees, that could be a first step towards his desperately-needed, eagerly-anticipated comeback.

It's up to David Tseng to initiate contacts with the Moz people and to make this happen. I think Morrissey is approaching an unavoidable turning point in his career-- whatever happens, it has to star now.

"geeks with charvels"

americans like the "theordinaryboy" come across as being so dumb. i mean moz was ripping the piss out of him and they still didnt click. anyway im jealous, well done to them for meeting moz and not so well done for being unintelligent.

It seems like a lot of you are as deliberately hurtful as Morrissey pecieved you to be. Ambitious Outsiders was a great, fun site, obviously set up out of real love and dedication and certainly not for profit - hell, Chris was even willing to give you the (signed) shirt off his back. And now you've scared him off and you'll miss all the rarities and MP3s if he's gone for good. Chris's enthusiasm and dedication brought back all the excitement of being a young fan. He isn't a stalker or a liar and he's obviously not jaded enough to be appreciated here.

great,
now chris has closed down his site!
I understand why morrissey doesn't want to come here. Some people here should really learn to be more careful with what they say...it DOES hurt even if it's only written words...

Chris, please keep the site up!
I loved the competitions and if it's true that moz will tour in april, then I'm very greatful that you asked him about it..

I think Morrissey should remember that the people who post on here plus a few extras are all he has. Many fans in their 30's have moved on in life and only retain the great memories of the early 90's and 80's. These people are unlikely to suddenly respark their interest. Believe me,my brother and sister can only remember the Morrissy of the 80's and have certainly moved on. Let's face it he's not going to gain many more fans, but the dedicated ones will always be there. We are prepared to criticise him constructively but still love him.Basically we are his record sales, and perhaps even his ego!He's not going to gain many more fans like me, I'm 16 and only found the smiths through my extremely old brother's record collection (he's 31). I would hang around outside his house, I just wouldn't say those things to him or have some of those freaky objects! I probably would never have the nerve to approach him. But I suppose you would expect someone who is young and has newly discovered something exciting, to want to hang around outside his house ( at least once!). It's a pity it's about 9,000 miles away!