Moz should be treated with respect he is the greatest musician of all time obviously that man has no idea what he's talking about

Is he really that thick? Doesn't he realize that if it wasn't for the Smiths and Morrissey paving the way for him and his MADchester colleagues he'd still be working for three pounds an hour at the local Whimpy's?

Blimey, talk about the pot calling the kettle black!well, Tim'tied to the nineties'Burgess,your comment was insignificant, but not half as insignificant as the lame charlatans offerings these days.face it dear boy, your glory days are well behind you,and just for the record,sad little man,do you really believe that 14 years after the sad charlies split, you will still be revered and adored like mozzer and The Smiths?You should have had the good sense to quit along with the other'madchester'bandwagon ilk.

...he is not totally wrong about the diva waiting for that call. Sorry to say that.

Sure you`ll talk to anyone Tim, you`re nothing more than a charlatan.

"With this record we've achieved much more than most groups, more than say, The Smiths"

Timmy Burger:
Were you on drugs when you said that? Or you've been living in your own world for the past twenty years?

Wait! Maybe he's right... they've achieved so much that they end up touring with Stereophonics last year.

The Charlatans have always been second rate - they just copy the music of the moment i.e. early 90's - The Stone Roses; late 90's - Oasis. What next? Radiohead? Or, now that Tim Burgess lives in the States, maybe The Strokes?

Who is Tim Burgess?

I always did see similarities between Morrissey and Greta Garbo...but I thought he was living in Clark Gable's old house. Tim Burgess is probably stupid enough to confuse the names, must be the drugs speaking.

The Charlatans' success in the 90's was one of the most unfathomable phenomena in recent musical history. Burgess has the weakest voice imaginable and his lyrics are just plain abysmal. They haven't written a single brilliant song, just loads of OKish ones. Incredibly, all their albums hit number one in the UK except their last one which bombed. If there's any justice, the next one'll do even worse.

He epitomises that appalling apolitical, baggy- trousered, floppy-fringed, charisma-free, nothing-to-say mentality of all the worst 'Madchester' bands.

How they've survived this long is one of the greatest mysteries of the modern era. But if their record sales pattern continues its recent trend, we won't have to put up with their vague, soulless, sub-Stone Roses, half-baked, indie-lite mediocrity for very much longer. And for that, we must thank the Lord.

JS

Boy ,He really hit that one on the head. NO ONE can sit around and have the world or the record companies come to your door. We are in a world where even the next U-2 album could disappear without a trace.

first of all:
Tim is suffering delusions of grandeur if
he believes The Charlatans have parity with
The Smiths.

yet he makes a point:
Morrissey is no longer in a position to wait
for the industry to come to him. major labels won't court him indefinitely.

if Morrissey wanted a fair deal, he'd have one
by now. the longer he waits, the more likely
he'll be forced to compromise.

i don't see Morrissey compromising his pride
for a recording contract.

as the faithful few, we can't see the forest
from the trees. Morrissey doesn't have legions
of fans (although this site may lead you to
think so) and all the while, his standing in
the industry is diminishing. they are less
likely to invest in a difficult aging artist
w/a small cult following. not w/out one hell
of a mkting concept/repackage, which our man
would naturally oppose.

time is running out and he better come up something quick because i don't think Morrissey
will agree to signing a lesser deal than the
major labels can provide him.

hmmm.not sure what to make of this...obviously its well out of order to even compare the charlatans success to the smiths' and young timmy is talking complete rubbish there.if he wasnt so cutting in his comments however,i have to say more people would accept that he made a fair and valid point that morrissey cant sit and wait to be offered the deal he wants.maybe morrissey needs these sort of attacks more often to make him pull his finger out so he can prove he's still the daddy.

I think the problem with Tim Burgess is that The Charlatans have always been perceived by the UK press as also-rans, riding in the wake of madchester, baggy and britpop. They've never been as big as they thought they should be, and have never really had the "credibility" that The Stone Roses had. Plus, Ian Brown takes every opportunity to slag Tim off as being a pale imitator. Which gives Tim a bit of a ... shall we say "small man's syndrome". Plus of course the usual Mancunian "we're the biggest band in the world" bollocks. The Charlatans are a pretty good band, but when the great great rock cannon is written, they'll be well down below The Smiths, that's for damn sure.

In the same issue of the NME,Jimi Goodwin of Doves relates an anecdote involving the Stokes frontman, Julian Casablancas.Jimi and julian were in an LA bar,when they spotted Morrissey at a nearby table, with three girls.Morrissey sent the girls over to say, "Morrisseys's sat in the corner if you'd like to talk to him." Jimi invited Moz to join them.When he came over and sat down, Julian called Moz "a faggot."Morrissey just looked at him and laughed.

burgesso in portuguese means person without manners, like a grunt. I guess his name says it all doesnt it? how dare he...

Forgettable Tim can have his opinions, but they'll fade quicker than the speed of light. When was the last time you heard someone quoting Charlatans lyrics to pedestrians? Never! As far as a record deal goes for Morrissey, this artist deserves the absolute best. More than anyone, he's earned it. He means so much more. He should receive nothing but the best!

I wonder why this person is so obsessed with making rude comments about Morrissey whenever he has his press moments. Maybe something irked him, like Morrissey didn't want to be bothered with him once and the guy just can't get past it. Who knows? I do think he is making himself look like an ass after all these lame comments.

While I think Tim clearly had his head lodged firmly in his rear end when he said this, I take issue with those who criticize the Charlatans musical offerings. Their last album ("Us & Only Us") was quite good. Morrissey certainly hasn't released anything as good in 6 or 7 years and it remains to be seen if he ever will again.

HOWEVER, for Tim to drag the Smiths into it and call Morrissey "sad" and a "fool" is ridiculous. I've met ]im at a few shows in L.A. and he's always been really nice so I'm disappointed to hear about this...

"I make sure I gain respect." Tim Burgess

Why of course,Tim. Just read the messages above and see how much respect you got.
Could you by any chance have been the inspiration behind the character "Timmy" from South Park? If so, I must say you sound more articulate on the cartoon.

ok, I am only posting anonymously to avoid confrontation by mr. burgess. i live in N.Y. and am in a circle with the charlatans and some of their wives. i love the smiths and the stone roses but i feel that the charlatans are a different class of musicians, i love them but in a poppy drunken dancy way. i do not feel it in my heart.i am an artist, morrissey moves me, he is no fool. i will still remember him in 50 years while mr. burgess fades away. does he have a fan site as big as this one, do people flock from around the world for his shows? do they push their way to the front to be close to him? no, i have been to charlatans shows, people are not intrigued and drawn to them. let's remember that 10 years ago Burgess claimed they would be the new beatles in the U.S. he was wrong about that and about steven patrick morrissey.

First Ian now Tim.Ian and Tim are jealous.Morrissey is not a fool.Tim is.How can those two think they`ve had more influence than The Smiths/Morrissey.Just look at the bands that cite them as influences like Radiohead.Just look how Morrissey`s music has touched so many people`s lives.Examples are this site.Moz conventions/nights,tribute bands ect..

Nobody's favourites, but still they toil on. Bless.

seriously, do they really?
I am surprised as to me that paper was something that happened around the time of the indie era, reading it today must be like trying to live in a cave again like they did in the dark ages.

So a man that was involved in his keyboard players bank robbery finally throws a stone in his own glass house.
Sad to say but the Charlatans are as much part of todays music scene as Ike and Tina Turner, yesterdays musicians.
But I do agree that living in LA is a clear sign your career is over.

must be after the comments by Burgess, you do need a bit of controversy to launch a tired old Best of album.
One hit from Burgess band, The only one i know. It still is their best song and it was released in the early 90's.

This man is plain and simple, obsessed with Morrissey. The repetitious mentions of the man in his media spots give him away. Sorry Tim, I don't think you are his type.

Please this man is psycho-obsessive over Morrissey. He explains that what he does Morrissey does the opposite. If he doesn't like him why does he mention him so much? What a fool he is...

Ah, I cannot believe how moronic many posters are in these news pages. Now, this has nothing to do with this particular story, but elsewhere on this site I've found Morrissey fans who are, bizarrely, also intelligent and discriminating. They think that Southpaw Grammar and Maladjusted are substandard, or, if they don't, they're prepared to seriously argue their case. Yet here it's all retards who flame any article anywhere that dares to depict Morrissey as anything other than God himself.

Regarding THIS story, here are my opinions:

1. The Charlatans are okay, and sometimes write good songs. Unless something dramatic happens, however, they're not going to outperform the Smiths.

2. This does not mean, though, that Tim Burgess has no right to criticise the Smiths, just as Morrissey was well within his rights to poke fun at many groups, including the Beatles, which achieved far more (artistically) than Morrissey so far has.

3. I've been out with Morrissey a few times, and, in a sense, he IS a fool, as I'm sure he would admit. He has given his life to acting out the character of Morrissey, and there's not much left. Now that his work is clumsy and charmless, and quite unnecessary to most people who care about music, there is no point to much of his life. And he has always made it quite clear that there is nothing much to his life outside the work. So he is a fool if you consider setting up the second half of one's life to be dull and long to be foolish. But was it worth doing so? Is a shit life that still produces the half a dozen great records he's made worth the living? Probably, yeah, but let others who want to do more disagree.

Don’t have a problem with other artists criticising Moz; at least they know how it feels to be criticised in turn. They could even be doing us a service…

…As cheeky Mankey Squirrels, prodding the sleeping Bear with misshapen twigs before skittering back to the forest whence they came, where they can’t see the wood for the trees. (The cocky little Nutters!) Perhaps one day the Great Bear will rise and take a swipe…

Or perhaps he truly is Asleep…

Anyone who hasn’t suffered facile-cliché-induced-nausea yet, please flame me so I can try (you) again!

oh, tim tim tim, of course the man was sad. why, he was meeting you.

Morrissey is who he is and I respect that. When I'm happy, his music makes me even more content. When I'm sad, it helps me cope through some of the roughest times I've had in my life. But see, Moz doesn't have to bow down or kiss ass to have such a following. He is a genious and many people cannot stand the fact that even if he doesn't cooperate with the record industry, or media, we love him just the same.

He's right, what else to say? When Moz have work at a local whimpys for 3 pound, he maybe will start phoning around again...

Tim who? the charlatans?

no but seriously...who? are these persons all that popular? i mean, let him speak his mind and all but will david put up a post if i start quoting morrissey and what not?

just kidding...

but who are the charlatans?

Just tried to check out the Charlatans official site (described on Yahoo as having "information on new and previous releases, tours, photo gallery, interaction, interviews, and more") and found a black screen with the following statement:

This site has been de-activated due to a dispute over web services payment
& on advice of their solicitors “Lea & Company Solicitors”

anyone with hair like tim...
bet he eats steak on a sunday!!!
reply to this..
really want to hear your view....x

Tim Burgess, your head is as thick as your lips and get that mop cut and maybe then you'll see what achievement is.