I wonder if Stipe could control himself! I am sure not many can...

I can easily see how Stipe could forget saying that to Morrissey. Not only was it ten years ago, but just imagine how flustered he would have been in Morrissey's presence. I truly don't know how much I'd remember. Walking away, slowly slipping out of that angelic haze...
My name itself would have elluded me.

Remember
Every
Moment

Stipe, you mean to say that you DON'T remember one of your meetings with Moz? Dude is like your fantasy bed-buddy! I'd remember any encounter with Alyssa Milano that didn't involve tissues and olive oil! You gotta be kidding me.

Does anyone know where they met?

Who can explain why the Smith's, who were on the same road with REM in the 80's veered off? Would the Smith's have enjoyed a higher plateau of popularity if the band had stayed together? Was Morrissey saying the balance of functioning as a group is difficult to acheive? So that the status of Micheal Stipe with REM and Stephen Morrissey with Smith's could have played out the same way. Either to spend many years together musically collaborating to create a collection of well crafted songs. Or the outcome of knowing that right pieces of the puzzle had been found. Here was a band whose members were on the same wavelength, and in tune with each other with all systems go to make beautiful music with nothing standing in the way save greedy record companies. Only to have issues that were set apart from the art itself rob the ability to go forth with the resolve. Deep down inside Morrissey knows the Smith's were special and that it was a good thing that went bad which adds up to waste. And waste sits in your stomach like a unwanted friend who refuses to go away. We keep throwing the dart the best we can but never hitting the bullseye so perfectly. Blast this game, blast this bench player attempt at a first string team concept. If I can't have real flowers I won't look at flowers ever again.

Shame on the person who said they would sell their Morrissey record collection if they find out he was gay.Frankly I do not care if he is gay or straight it is words,his music that I love and that would not change if he came out now ,today or tommorrow.And that posting frankly surprised me usually I find that Morrissey/Smiths fans are usually pretty open minded.And anyway Morrisseys sexuality is his own business.Most of us are here because we love the man his words and music.Don`t you agree?

Hang on a minute, I thought that the word 'gay' meant one was carefree and happy. Maybe he's just feeling positive and ready to write another Shiny Happy People !

I find this all rather interesting becasue Stipe now actually sports a Shiny (SHINY) head, he's gay (HAPPY) and he's a person (PEOPLE).....?!

Good on yer Stipe !

P.S
The new REM album is utter brilliance - in fact it's full of gaiety!

"we sat and had coffee"?

Come on. There speaks a true friend.

I just cannot believe that someone would post such a hateful homophobic comment like the person who said that they would sell their Morrissey record collection if they found out he was gay.Why was it rated as funny? Was it meant to be a joke? If it was meant to be a joke I don`t think it was funny at all.It was very surprising to to me that someone would leave such a vile comment as that one especially on this site.I usually find Morrissey /Smiths people to be intelligent open minded people.I think that it is very sad in this day and age when people cannot rid themselves of their backward ignorant attitudes. As I have stated before I would love Morrissey just the same as I do now if he came out tommorrow or any other day.And I know his true fans would feel the same way.If you love his words and music why would it matter to you if he was gay or straight?I believe his sexuality is his own personal private business.If you love Morrissey the man,,his words,his music whether he is gay or straight should not matter to you.As Morrissey said himself "What Difference Does It Make".Thank you for listening.Good Night and Thank You.

I think at that time Michael Stipe was talking before thinking, Or possibly a hidden message might of been ment towards Morrissey's attention for a project together. Who knows ??????

... I've got gay friends!! I suppose that means . . . I must be . . . GAY!!!!. Oh well, I suppose I'll have to start sleeping with men, then.

Rumours (which Moz denies) have it that Found Found Found was inspired by M's friendship with MS.

Similarly, it is also rumoured that William, it was really nothing is to do with a relationship with the late Billy Mackenzie, the singer from the Associates. A friend of Billy Mackenzie wrote an "answering" song called "Steven, It Was Really Something".

Last week David asked us if it would be ok posting trivial things, I said ok. Now I'm not too sure. The level of this "debate" is sinking fast. Eros is something beautiful, please stop being rough about it. Please.

Was it really a shock to learn that Michael Stipe is actually gay? The man wears mascara and puts glitter on his face.
  As for the person who said they would have to sell their record collection if he did, that was obviously a joke, why are people so over-sensitive about that kind of stuff? It was pretty funny. If it wasn't a joke though, it would be even more funny, because homosexuality is a crime against nature, (joking).

Mike Stipe said this about himself and Morrissey: "We sat and had coffee for an hour."
In gay-speak, that translates to...
                        "We shagged for a bit and read Oscar Wilde by the fire."
      Heh heh.
      But so what if either one of them is gay, or gay with each other. It's about the music,people. I just thought It'd be fun to joke a bit. Cheers!

Exclusive revelation of original lyrics to Losing my Religion

Oh mine is bigger, bigger than yours
You are not me, the length I hold b4 you
The resistance in your eyes

Oh no Ive had too much
You can never have enough

Good-bye, morrissey-solo.com. It was funny, but that's outrageous. I thought there was a difference between people who liked Morrissey and those liked Madonna. My mistake is evident now. Just a final question: if you really like Morrissey, how can you become what he hates most? Ever heard about ethics and privacy in your lives? No, I suppose not. Perhaps in the next world?

The hateful,vile comments that have been posted here have made me sick to my stomach.What`s wrong with you people? How can you live with all that hate inside of you?Anyway why do you care about what gay people do? Why is it any of your business?The people who left these ugly comments only posted anonymously so what does that tell you?I never thought I would see such hate especially here.Why? Because I thought people who love Morrissey/The Smiths were as I have stated before open minded intelligent people.And judging by your posts I know most of you are.But to the people who left those disgusting comments you are ignorant and backward and are in desperate need of some education.Whatever Morrissey is I still love him gay or straight and always will.And I know his true intelligent fans feel the same way.And as I said before his sexuality gay or straight is his personal private business.In closing I would like say to those who left hateful comments go crawl back under the rock you came out of or return to your cave you neanderthals.And finally some words of wisdom from Morrissey the man himself, "It`s So Easy to Laugh It`s So Easy To Hate It Takes Strength To Be Gentle And Kind". Don`t you agree?

Allright, some of you are just too sensitive. What kind of an idiot would make a comment like that without trying to be funny? Even if you take it seriously, just get over it. Obviously the person was being sarcastic, yeah and I know the "anonymous" tag is for losers but it was funny anyway.
Another thing, I notice some of you clones are getting off with my humor. Thats cool but you are not getting it. Here's an example of how it should be done:

Dear Jim,

I completely and utterly deny any association with Michael Stipe and Morrissey.

Sincerely,

Tom Cruise

OUT!!

I don`t think I should have to explain this but I will for the benefit of those who have commented on this.I don`t think that there is anything wrong with having a laugh every now and then but I think that there are certain things that should never be laughed at.If those ugly vile comments were jokes which I really don`t think they were they were not funny at all.And anyone who thought they were funny has a diseased mind. And if you think that I`m being too serious about this think of someone like Matthew Shepard.That is what ignorance and hate create.Those of us intelligent Morrissey/Smiths fans already know this .I believe we would love Morrissey no matter what his sexual orientation is.As for those who said were taking Morrissey too seriously you obviously don`t know what your talking about.Morrissey`s music is important to us because to some of us it`s the only music that we have ever related to.And his poetry is beautiful and spiritual.And to respond to that comment about just spending time in your room listing to Morrissey/Smiths and about getting out there and living,well some of us are just solitary creatures.Anyway what`s wrong with that?And that comment about just thinking someone is deeper because they suffer from depression well they probably are because depression does that to you.And that attitude about depression is also ignorant depression is an illness maybe not a physical one but it is an illness.And to Havfine thank you very much I`m glad that there are a few of us on this page who are intelligent creatures,those of you know who you are .And if you think the tone of this is to serious why don`t you go to a Limp Bizkit page okay.And yes we are very comfortable on our lofty perch.Good Day and Thank You.

I certainly hope Morrissey doesn't actually come to this website. After reading some of the crap on this website and getting a glimpse at his fan's true colours, he'd have to be a real saint to even consider giving you people another album. I know if I were Morrissey and read this page, after vomiting in disgust, I certainly wouldn't consider giving you people anything! Self-absorbed and heartless the bulk of the lot of you!! Shame on everyone here. No wonder Morrissey fans get such a bad wrap. No wonder Moz is dragging his feet. You people are not worthy!! If half of you understood Morrissey's message, 90% of the clutter on this website wouldn't exist.

Morrissey doesn't owe you anything, yet the least you can do is have some respect. But then, seeing as to how most of the world has lost any sense of class and style, none of this really surprises me, as gut-wrenching as it all is.

The kind people have a wonderful dream, MOZ's fans on the guillotine!!

The comment I was referring to was the one where it was said that someone would sell their entire Morrissey collection. That was funny. I didn't read the other one, someone being gassed for their sexuality is in no way funny. That's just sick. But still, some of you got off on the first comment, for those that did, lighten up.

How does this topic turn into a discussion about homosexuality? Who cares if Michael Stipe is GAY? Who cares if Morrissey is GAY(other than thousands of men whom he would make very happy). First of all Stipe has pretty much made comments reffering to his sexuality years ago..."It's nobody's business what I do with my cock unless they're sitting on it." Exactly. Anyone that is really that worried about some strangers sexuality must have some pretty serious questions about their own. Many of these posts just remind us that there are still a lot of backwards thinking people around. I applaud Stipe for coming out, because that's what helps break the barrier. I doubt if countless teenagers are out in record numbers burning their R.E.M. records right now. I think that many of them are now starting to think about what their opinions of different lifestyles actually mean. If Mr. Stipe's decision to come out changes the mind of one hateful kid that looks up to R.E.M, I'm sure that he'll be proud.

I really can't believe the crap that some people are posting here.At the end of the day, there is a massive difference between joking about killing people and actually doing it. Just because some people find things like that funny doesn't make them mentally ill either-have you never watched South Park? Lots of people watch that, are they all sick? Mocking people who are abnormal in some way is just part of human nature, so deal with it. I accept that if you are at the end of such a joke it's unpleasant, but that's just life, you can't change the way the human mind works, to stop people laughing about gay jokes you would need to recondition their minds and remove years of predjudice.
  Also, Morrissey may be kind to animals, but he doesn't seem to afford his fellow humans such compassion, Mike Joyce springs to mind. People here are pointing to Morrissey as some kind of Jesus, but they're living in a dream world. Maybe somebody should of reminded Morrissey of his "gentle and kind" lyric before he compared Mike Joyce to a lawnmower part, or called for Margaret Thatchers head - I could go on....but can't be bothered.

ok...this comments page...well, it hasnt exactly been formed by the best quotes or the greatest discussions. but here's the thing, i really cant understand how fans can listen to morrissey (or stipe) and not get a hint of sexuality. and if you really listened, which im sure we all do because we are here every day reading and writing, then this whole stupid and often offensive discussion wouldnt have taken place at all. and i cant be sure if the whole burn my records if hes gay comment was a joke or not, but we can all agree it was a tad closed minded and offensive, to oh so many smiths/moz fans. i mean come, seriously now. i took offense and im sure we can all figure out why. but heres the thing...im not pleased w/ it and im i was quite anrgy at reading it but i am not about to get my panties all in a twist about it. i think we're all intelligent enough to really understand the world around us. and of the entire population we should soo not be the judgemental ones. we are better than that. and i mean, seriously, listen to his lyrics...its dripping w/ sexuality. and it isnt always gay or straight or anything at all. feeling is feeling. and ive always liked to believe that smiths/moz fans are the ones that have absolutely zero problem w/ any kind of sexuality. my bubble has burst.

my humble regards

Of course most of us Morrissey/Smiths fans get the hints and so on in Morrissey`s lyrics maybe that`s why we were so surprised when somebody made those ugly homophobic comments.I certainly did not expect to see that ugliness spilled all over this page.We are not having this conversation because we don`t get Morrissey`s lyrics there are other reasons why we are talking about this.I and a few other people have spoken out about this because we feel that Morrissey`s sexuality gay or straight should not matter to you if you truly love the man and his music and that his sexuality is his own personal private business.And we are also discussing this because some of us just had to speak out against the hatred and ignorant comments being posted on this page.I am not apologizing for speaking out against those disgusting homophobic comments.I don`t understand those of you out there who are saying get over, move on and that you don`t know why were having this discussion. I`ll tell you why were having this discussion.Remember how all of this started with that one person saying that they would sell their Morrissey record collection if they found he was gay which some people found funny I still don`t think it`s funny.But then it quickly escalated to all gays should be gassed remember.So you see that one so called funny comment brought the vile elements to this page.Those comments really saddened me because this is the last place I expected to find such hate and ugliness.Because as one of you said if you really listen to the music you would know.And I thought Morrissey/Smiths fans were more intelligent and open minded than your average eimenim or limp bizkit fan.And for the most part I think you.Because there were a few other people who left intelligent insightful comments.To reply to a few recent comments gay people don`t think that they are abnormal because they live a life that is different than yours.And second of all when did you learn that it was okay to make fun of people who are different than you are?I`m sure that there are alot of you out there who would agree with me out there being that one reasons why alot of us relate so well to this music is because Morrissey knows what it`s like to be a misfit like us or some of us.And comparing Morrissey to hitler was hateful,absurd and just plain unkind.And why do you care about how people who love Morrissey view him ?Who asked you anyway? And just because you don`t think people will change or are set in their was that is no reason to stand by and be idle and not speak out against ignorance and hatred.Remember that when people dont`t speak out and just follow the herd horrible things happen(like the holocaust).I know you already know my views on this subject and you may think that I am humorless but I just had to write what was in my heart.And as always Good Night and Thank You

I don't get why everyone constantly says, "I can't believe Morrissey fans would ...." First of all, you don't have to take a Morrissey fan devotion test to post a comment here. Just keep that in mind, probably many of the "devoted" aren't posting anything (maybe never even been to the site). And alot of the people that do post are just looking for responses to what they say. So I guess take alot of what you read with a grain of salt.

To Somnium or whatever your nick is why do you come here if you hate Morrissey so much?After all this site is called Morrissey Solo .And you claim to like The Smiths so how can you separate them from Morrissey?My goodness why are you filled with such rage and bitterness?And it was totally evil of you to compare Morrissey to hitler.I and most of the other people who visit this site do so because we love Morrissey and want to speak to people who feel likewise.So again why do you come here?

to tibby or whatever.
i didn't know that coming here implies in brainwhasing. you seem very confused for all i have read. this is not to offend, i just think that if you want to be universal voice of moz-solo, you should at least be coherent. how about if you create a committee to pounder about the content of morrissey-solo? i promise that i will not be there.

ok, yet another comment which is mainly replying to tibby, sorry - I just feel like I should.
  I am the person who wrote bewildered, perhaps I should get a nick name, but I'm too ashamed to admit to liking Morrissey. You are right, it is wrong to make fun of people who are different, I don't do it and I was bullied for a period of time at school quite brutally, so I totally know what it's like. I still maintain that there is a world of difference between the homophobic coments here and people actually killing gays. If it sickens you, or anyone else reading this, then you have my envy, I wish I had been brought up without these predjudices in my head, but I'm all grown up now and sadly when somebody cracks a joke about gays, I laugh. I do accept that peoples attitudes can be changed over time, but it takes more than just words. I'm certainly not homophobic, heck I listen to The Smiths.

Maybe I am idealistic to some of you out there but I think that there are worse things that I can be considered.Before this subject came up I had only posted a few comments so you can see that I feel strongly on this issue.And one thing I am not in high school or a teenager I am in my twenties maybe my so called idealism made some of you think that I was younger or naive about the world.But just to respond to some of you who left some comments about me some nice some not so nice.To the person who wrote "Bewildered" thanks for at least explaining yourself intelligently and for not insulting me or my views.And P.S. you should never be ashamed of liking Morrissey.And to the artist formally known as Bean I know the world is not black and white.And I`m not a humorless person I do have a chuckle every now.And just to say this I enjoy John Waters movies especially "Cry Baby" and "Hairspray".But I digress anyway thanks Bean for your insightful comment.And to you out there I am just writing what I believe to be true.You may take that as you see fit.And to somnium or whatever I really don`t care how you think that I view Morrissey sure I love him but why do you care?I`m not going to insult you like you insulted me.My point of writing these comments was not to make enemies or proclaim myself holier than thou it was just to write what was in my heart.Now having said that I am still NOT apologizing for speaking out against those homophobic comments.And I still mean every line I wrote.And I know there are some of you out there who feel the same way I do.I know this because you wrote and said so.And maybe some of you did not exactly agree with me but left some nice comments and not attack me and my views and this was appreciated.Maybe I may seem idealistic to some of you out there or naive about the world we live in but all I am trying to do is to try to make people understand why it is so hateful to make fun of others for being different.And I believe we all know what it`s like to be made fun of or teased or bullied for being different.Well Thank You for listening. Good Day and Thank You

i am sick and tired of this crap. i say we should erase this story from the main page and move on and stop being so hateful. what the hell is going on. i dont want to read crap while im here. i come here for some relaxation and enjoyment. not read about people hating each other. and yes im here and im reading...why...cause this whole argument bothers me. but still, i think we should just erase it and move on w/ our mozzer selves.

Listen here so called 50ft queen: there have been more posts on this topic then on any other for ages. To delete it would be a real shame, ok some people have said some unkind things but most people here are mature adults and therfore capable of conducting civilised conversations about anything. I don't know why you have such a problem with discussing it, I won't jump to conclusions and assume you're gay, but the thing is the internet is a rather inpersonal medium, so even a timid person can discuss things they may be shy about, assuming you are gay and shy about it.
  In other news, sweetness I was only joking when I sad I was ashamed of liking morrissey.
  signed, a very bewildered man

"Plot: Spaceship with the crew of Captain Kirk, Operator Vinnie Racoontail and Russian Astronaut Ivan Rubleff is drifting in the middle of Tau Chi Galactic...

Operator Vinnie Racoontail: "Captain Kirk, Tau Chi Intergalactic Entity Alien's Gender was identified wrong! He or She or It or David Bowie-he-she-between was of the fourth sex! We are genderly-benderly confused. Could we ask Earthling senator Hillary Clinton to give us permission to return back to the Mother Earth?"

Hillary: "Permission denied. Keep on drifting confused..."

Captain Kirk (visibly agitated): "I heard all Tau Chi-anians are four-sexual: first sex for winter, second for spring, third for the fall etc... I'm suffocating from the lust..."

Russian Astronaut Ivan Rubleff: "Blyad, holy Moscow sh*t, This Western Decadence... I will never have a sex-for-money transaction with Tau Chian again... The guy has like 4 different sets of equipment, or was He really She.. Communist Party didn't give me an appropriate guidelines how to deal with four-sexuals.."

Operator Vinnie Racoontail: "We are entering Clinical Depression Magnetic Field... Captain Kirk, can I ask a permission to put on "Bona Drag" CD to counteract magnetic-generated depression with human-generated one..."

Captain Kirk: "Permission denied! Put something cheerful, like Cher"

Russian Astronaut Ivan Rubleff (visibly drunk): "Cher is too gay for a Russian Macho Man! Russian Macho Man wants Macho Music. Ivan is putting 'Southpaw Grammar' even if against the order!"

Captain Kirk: (indignant) "The riot on the Ship! I COMMAND YOU TO PUT THE CHER ON!!!"

Operator Vinnie Racoontail (hysterical): "Ricky Martin space attack! "Livin' La Vida Loca" is being played by treacherous Tau Chians from Giant Cosmic Speakers! Western Civilization is Doomed now... This devilish song will activate Doomsday Machine.. Only Morrissey tune could save us..."

Captain Kirk: "Rubleff, pump up the Volume... Screw MelodyMaker critics, I was so wrong...!"

Russian Astronaut Ivan Rubleff (breathing vodka heavily): "Macho Man Morrissey will save Mother Earth! For Motherland! For Fatherland!" (PUMPING UP THE VOLUME!!!! Southpaw's "The Teachers Are Afraid Of the Pupils" is playing...)

Nuclear explosion. Crash! Cries for help! Total Gender confusion... Morrissey song "Boyracer" is playing from the drifting CD-player...

WORLD IS SAVED BY MOZZER, AS ALWAYS!!!!!"

Ricki Lake (aka Olga)

P.S. I think some of you folks became way too serious, maybe we all need to brighten up our day with some Humour. I hope you all understand that this Trekkies spin-off was written by me as an expression of my admiration to Moz in a spirit of the good humour. If I'm poor writer, sorry... BTW, if I insulted anyone, I'm sorry. It is not easy being Baltimorean! :-)

Ricki Lake (aka Olga)

To 50 foot Queenie I mean no disrespect to you but I think that except for those vile homophobic comments and some other stupid comments this has been an important discussion to have.Maybe alot of people out there don`t have another place to discuss their feelings on this subject.And I agree with someone else who said this is a good oulet for those of who are too shy(myself included)to even talk to other people.And to Bean what I meant when I said that it wouldn`t matter to me if Morrissey was gay or straight I meant that if you truly love the man his music and words it shouldn`t change the way you feel about him.I definetly think that the lyrics matter to us and that`s we relate to it so well .Anyway that`s why were all here isn`t it gay or straight and male or female.As Always Good Night And Thank You

I just went through this entire thread and the level of whining is truly astounding. For the straight homophobes, if you couldn't figure the REM/Smiths sexual ambiguity in the songs by 1989 you're too stupid to own the records. Hand them back immediately. To the preachy, love-everyone-for-who-they-are zealots, you're just as annoying as the 'phobes. Hold on to that soapbox tight because that's clearly your only friend.
Here's what we should really be debating: are or have Moz and Stipe ever been "intimate friends?" Frankly, the two of them are so brilliant they should be allowed to do whoever they want and if they propositioned me, I'd seriously consider handing in my straight-thinking hetro card just to say I was part of that scene. Moz and Stipe could be the biggest gay rock celebrity couple since Bowie and Jagger got together.

To Bean I`m glad you agree with me.It`s nice to hear that I`m not the only one feels this way.And by the way Bean I also like Belle And Sebastian,The Doors and The Beatles of course not as much as The Moz(I just had to say it!).And to madegrave a question for you Is it wicked not to care?Yes it is because as Bean said if no one speaks out that is how you maintain the status quo and nothing will change.And I know we may be preaching to the converted but here is a couple of quotes for those that are not so enlightened. "Am I Right In Saying That Hate Blinds People"by Oscar Wilde ( De Profundis).And here`s another " It is only with the heart one can see rightly;What is essential is invisible to the eye"by Antoine De Saint Exupery."(The Little Prince).As Always Good Night and Thank You

Oh dear. Surely I can't be the only one who thinks this is the biggest fuss over nothing seen on Moz-Solo so far? Whoever made that joke about selling their collection has a lot to answer for!

Tibby, my friend, you clearly mean well but appear to have missed the point. The aforementioned joke wasn't homophobic, but aimed at the homophobes - the idea that someone so devoted to Morrissey that they own all his albums and 12" singles could suddenly decide to sell them because he's gay is, of course, utterly crazy. The old device of telling the truth - in this case, that homophobia is entirely irrational (and thus not befitting of humans as we like to imagine ourselves) - through humour.

Cheers all, and a happy birthday to Mr Morrissey for tomorrow. I shall be sure to name my pub quiz team in honour.

Sorry but I don't really think it was that, "sell my records" comment that offended everyone, or anyone, but it was more the people who were saying that gay people should be killed. I don't know whether it was that comment which started the whole thing going though, perhaps.
  Anyway the main reason I'm writing anything is because of what Bean said. I admit that I don't know much about politics, especially American politics, but I really don't think it is fair to say that by buying Eminem you are contributing to some kind of anti freedom thing. In a way Eminem rerpresents freedom, the freedom to say whatever you want. Ok so Eminem has made fun of gays in his songs, but like I said earlier, there is a world of difference between joking about something and doing it. And no it wasn't me who said to kill gay people, but I did actually buy both of Eminem's albums, and yes I am a fan of the Smiths and Morrissey's music. If Eminem was as much of a homophobe as he's made out to be, I really doubt he woud have performed with Elton John, but perhaps that's a little naive of me.
 

send me a list...

Send me a list, too. And then GROW UP. In that order, please.

Get a Life, Buster!

The Artist Formerly Known As Bean

life outside the bubble is a great place to be...you should try it sometime.

That's really sad and I'm always sorry to hear these comments. I don't think Morrissey would appreciate your homophobia and if you are so homophobic to sell back good music then it is yuou who are ultimately going to miss out and end up the loser.

Kirstie