posted by davidt on Sunday February 15 2009, @12:30PM
Johan writes:
I'm Throwing My Arms Around Paris enters the UK top 40 at number 21.

That's his worst performing lead-off single since Dagenham Dave in 1995 and his second worst performing single of the decade, only All You Need Is Me did worse (number 24).
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The Official UK Singles Chart
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  • Who cares!? Morrissey doesn't live in the same places as the chart acts anymore.....

    YoR will chart highly - that will be a truer reflection of his popularity.
    Anonymous -- Sunday February 15 2009, @12:38PM (#321218)
    • Re:Who Cares? by paul_psyche (Score:1) Sunday February 15 2009, @12:56PM
  • That's gotta hurt. Poor Moz gets naked for a single and the single tanks worse than anything he's done since '95!

    Throwing his arms around Paris? I'm sure he's throwing something!
    Shade -- Sunday February 15 2009, @01:42PM (#321221)
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  • Yes, it doesn't mean much, but Morrissey seems more popular than ever, the album is (deservedly) getting good reviews, and "Paris" is a strong single.
    Anonymous -- Sunday February 15 2009, @01:54PM (#321222)
  • Only #21? What crap- too many free downloads and not enough people paying. OH well, I've had the entire album for weeks lol. But I'm still going to buy it!!!

    thetexasbloke
    Anonymous -- Sunday February 15 2009, @02:02PM (#321224)
  • I'm Throwing my Arms Around Paris is the only good song in those pathetic charts!

    Seeing as the UK Top 40 is mostly dominated by utter rubbish it's a mark of quality when a song doesn't do that well in them.

    P.S. Lily Allen is a annoying and talentless bitch - I just needed to get that off my chest Ahh, I feel much better now.
    Anonymous -- Sunday February 15 2009, @02:12PM (#321225)
  • It's really laughable, ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha..No,seriously, the reason I think this song tanked wasn't a reflection of it's quality but more for the fact there was no sense of expectation around it. The song has been played live now for, well, I can't recall how long, and everyone knows it too well not to need to rush out and buy it. Also, the marketing for this album had been decidedly odd to say the least. Two so-so singles off it already last year, also from the greatest hits of last year, making '..Paris' the third single off the album before it's release. There is not another single on the album in my opinion, so the means to sustain interest in it (ie, singles) are not there. Will be interesting to see how many weeks the album hangs around for? I'm not holding my breath that it will be long.
    Anonymous -- Sunday February 15 2009, @02:13PM (#321226)
  • B=o-r-i-n-g! Time to call it a day when the music does not make any type of real statement. He needs to get laid.
    Paneeks -- Sunday February 15 2009, @02:21PM (#321229)
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  • He should just stop releasing singles now as he no longer has any relevance to the Top 40. Concentrate on albums and tours from now on where the market for him is still strong. If he feels that he can't live without his beloved 7" (vinyl!), release them as pre-order limited editions only. The album will be NO.1 in the UK and Scandinavia anyway.
    Anonymous -- Sunday February 15 2009, @02:44PM (#321230)
  • It's very simple... (Score:2, Interesting)

    It's almost impossible to purchase physical singles many high streets nowadays and people in general are much less likely to bother ordering them online than they are albums.

    The singles chart will forever be dominated by the sort of kid-friendly act which lends itself to a 79p Itunes download.

    Irish Blood, You Have Killed Me etc did next to nothing on the download market but they came at a time where the average person could pop into Woolworths or Virgin or HMV or Asda to pick them up.

    Now HMV is the only one - very barely - remaining, and by no means to all of their stores still carry singles. Morrissey was never going to make the transition.
    Anonymous -- Sunday February 15 2009, @02:47PM (#321231)
  • Why are we surprised here. The single is not that strong, (irish blood english heart it's not) clearly, and the subject matter... It doesn't take a lot to state that the brits have never been fond of the frenchies. At least it scored better than the Killers Spacemen as a debut.
    Anonymous -- Sunday February 15 2009, @04:55PM (#321243)
  • All of these geeky chart theories, and few seem to accept that the chart position of the single is a direct reflection of its quality, and frivolous nature.

    Didn't he once bemoan his "ropey" songs phase that occurred before Your Arsenal? Well, those are exactly the kind of songs that he has relied on since Southpaw Grammar. Paris is similar to Alma Matters, but even less inspired.

    We all know that Morrissey has a love affair with the charts. He believes that anything he creates is worthy of the utmost attention, which is why I find his comments about not caring if anyone notices his wok to be blatantly insincere. He's merely reinforcing his rebellious image. He constantly feels the need to remind us about how unlikely his existence is.

    Years of Refusal is dull, and his most recent single is lazy and uninspired. On stage, he often appears disinterested, and like he's simply going through the motions. I don't think he has, or has ever had great strength when appearing on stage.

    He should have listened to his own advice, but money is a great motivator. If you toss in other factors like inflation, and an ever increasing credit line, then it becomes fairly obvious why Morrissey is finishing his career with such a weak showing.

    In the end, he ended up just like the rest. It certainly was unexpected. I do thank him for The Smiths, Bona Drag, Your Arsenal, and Vauxhall & I, but he has certainly disappointed many fans who once took him seriously.
    Nick The Name -- Sunday February 15 2009, @07:00PM (#321252)
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  • I actually think #21 is doing better than expected.
    maurice -- Sunday February 15 2009, @11:51PM (#321257)
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  • but didn't know Dagenham did that bad, it's not
    great but its'poppy funny soung

    only for the 1 line, and Karen and Sharon

    head in the clouds with a mouth full of pie

    it's so simple .but I like it when I'm in a good mood, like now, having Years of Refusal 2 CD
    in tha house , and paid for it,

    when was all you need is me a single?

    thought only that how people grow up was a single
    fring his greatest hits

    the video on YOR, amazing quality of recording,
    also Jools and Russel, which is also a reason to
    buy the 2 CD,it's really tea time between 2 and
    who don't fancy woman, and it shows

    the video is a walk in a backyard of a house with
    lots of trees, the most enjoyable is bass Walker
    doing a giant dive roll ove behind Morissey

    oh and forgot an important thing , indeed the old
    Polydor red sign on old records is on both cd's,
    nice and me as becoming almost 44 a memorable thing, like only have to pick between 2 sorta ice,
    the 3 colour ice rocket stick, or a chocolate vanilla on a stick,and Top Pop, the Dutch version of TOTP

    no julia thanking, only true-to you

    and there is a moz posse
    Morrissey changed his team around him, only charly brown, whose kid on the cover, and if you
    flod the cd open a more focused pic of little brown

    erm, yeah, the single did bad,but I hope the album will be a top 3
    Celibate Cry <[email protected]> -- Monday February 16 2009, @12:19AM (#321260)
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  • ... from recordstore.co.uk!
    Who else??

    And all these missing copies didn't count for the charts...
    Anonymous -- Monday February 16 2009, @01:14AM (#321264)
  • Lily Allen’s The Fear’s sales decline to 59,671, but that is enough to give it a third week at the top of the singles chart.

    Meanwhile, Lady GaGa’s Just Dance spends its third consecutive week at number two, with sales of 41,602, raising its career tally to 412,878 while, having graduated to physical release, Alesha Dixon’s Breathe Slow climbs for the seventh week in a row, moving 5-3 (37,363 sales). It thus beats the number five peak of Dixon’s last hit The Boy Does Nothing.

    Veteran dance doyens The Prodigy score the week’s highest new entry, debuting at number eight with Omen (23,307 sales) on their own Take Me To The Hospital label. It’s their 15th hit since 1991 debut Charly. They’re novices compared to Morrissey, a chart regular since 1983, who debuts at number 21 (9,978 sales) with I’m Throwing My Arms Around Paris, the first single from his upcoming album, Years Of Refusal. It’s the 49 year old Mancunian’s 48th hit – 32 solo and 16 with the Smiths.

    In the singles sector, the dominance of downloads is now almost total – it surpassed the 99% mark for the first time a fortnight ago, reaching 99.1%, with physical sales of just 20,408 CDs, 3,968 7-inch singles, 1,800 12-inch singles, 155 DVD videos and three cassettes. It also precipitated the first instance of the number one physical single – surprisingly, at this stage, Alexandra Burke’s Hallelujah - selling fewer than 2,000 copies. Burke’s single sold 1,981 copies on CD to dethrone The Fear (1,532 CD sales and 178 7-inch picture discs). This week, physical sales stage a rally, mostly thanks to Morrissey whose fans bought only 2,607 digital copies of his new hit I’m Throwing My Arms Around Paris but shelled out for 5,396 CDs and 1,974 7-inchers, placing the track at number 79 on the download chart but number one on the CD, 7-inch and overall physical charts.

    It – and the new St. Etienne release Method Of Modern Love, which also did well in both formats – helped the physical sector to gain 43.08% week-on-week to 37,679 sales, giving it a 1.44% share of the market. Overall singles sales of 2,611,939 were 4.4% down week-on-week, and 35.84% above same week 2008 sales of 1,922,803.

    by Alan Jones (MW)
    Johan de Witt <[email protected]> -- Monday February 16 2009, @06:24AM (#321297)
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    • Number one in the physical sector and only no.21?
      Uhmm, actually It's quite odd I think. And who's buying really all those downloads ? I can't see many teenagers buying them legally when they can have them for free or listening to them on the radio or via web
      Maybe record labels are "pushing" new acts buying multiple downloads? Bah, anyway who really cares..
       
      Cavour -- Monday February 16 2009, @07:35AM (#321300)
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  • They who have bought it enjoy it, who cares about the chart position? It's still a very very good single with very very good b sides too.
    orestes3009 -- Monday February 16 2009, @08:04AM (#321302)
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  • I like the song a lot...its light but very hummable and sticks with you. And I agree with most of those who said the majority of the charts is crap. Lily Allen is a great talent however..the Killers too, a few others.
    jakeupnorth -- Monday February 16 2009, @09:34AM (#321310)
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  • Kids download Lily Allen & Lady Gaga to their mobile phones. Each download counts as a sale.

    Morrissey fans want the real thing, ie. vinyl & CD singles. The only shops in London selling singles are HMV & Sister Ray.

    The album will do well though.

    Boxers71 -- Monday February 16 2009, @11:03AM (#321326)
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  • Lurvely! Nice band shot. Lyrics. Alternate shot of the baby. Nice paper. Great album.
    Anonymous -- Monday February 16 2009, @11:33AM (#321334)
  • Has anybody observed Mozzer's Golden/silver pendant that he's wearing on the new cd and the new single? Here in Greece they sell that medallon with the face of Alexander the great or Appolo on it ! Probably moz bought one when he last visited Athens in 2006! Any ideas?
    Argyris_Kravaritis -- Monday February 16 2009, @02:52PM (#321405)
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  • Well I have one half of my CD single order from HMV, I'm not sure, do they count for the UK singles chart as they meander over from the Channel Islands?
    I never even saw a vinyl copy of 'All You Need is Me' despite ordering from HMV & bunking off a business conference early in Manchester to seek one out around release time.
    Moz is one of the last acts I buy singles from as I like to have the artifact especially from one of my favourite artists. Largely I have succumbed to the convenience of downloading (legally as I'm painfully old fashioned).
    Who cares about the chart position anyhow (did you see any of the last Cure singles high up the charts.... er no, although Moz may have smirked at that).
    Chart placing has never been a good indication of quality anyhow. Did the Smiths set the charts alight, no. Rick Astley seemed to do well in the chart in the late 80s much bette than Moz or the Smiths, but who's going to argue that his chart placings indicate quality over them? It's a no brainer.
    Also I believe Moz only managed number a paltry number 46 with 'The More You Ignore Me the Closer I Get' in the states in the 90s. Does that make him shit? Don't think so, appeared to enjoy ever increasing popularity despite chart wilderness.
    Oh and those couple of folk who acquired Paris & the rest of the album may just have cost it a few places (do they care? I doubt it).
    Anyhow we'll see what my mum makes of it all when I drag her along to see Moz in May (it's payback she's dragged me to some shit over the years, Eric Clapton for gods sake, tragic).
    Toddle pip.
    scotty -- Monday February 16 2009, @05:00PM (#321433)
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