posted by davidt on Monday December 08 2008, @10:00AM
Martin writes:
Here are my notes from the listening of "YoR" in Stockholm last friday. It's a bit sketchy, but at least I tried to share something with you guys here.
Kindly
/ Matin Söderström, Stockholm.

Impressions from the pre-listening of ”Years of refusal”, Stockholm, Sweden, 081205.
1. Something is squeezing my skull.
Nothing much to say here. You know this one already. A horde of thorny guitars and aggressive drums. Typical Finn production, but not too polished. The drum inferno towards the end makes the song feel like a distant cousin to The Smiths ”London”. The song itself is hardly one of Mozzers strongest, but the sound is good.

2. Mama lay softly on the riverbed.
You know this one already. The song remains true to the live version we’ve all heard by now. Heavy marching drums and fairytale keyboards. And another bitter lyric about ”pigs in grey suits” and "uncivil servants” that I personally think we’ve heard one too many times before. But his singing here is absolutely fantastic. Great vocal.

3. Black cloud.
Starts of with some quite strings and sampled voices. The tone of the song made me think a bit of some forgotten spaghetti western from the seventies. Then the heavy drums (Matt Walker is the real star on this album, really), thorny guitars and heavy feedback kicks in and the song changes direction. A passionate and quite aggressive vocal from Morrissey and he sings about how ”there nothing I can do to make you mine”. The melody felt a bit flat, but it might grow on you…

4. I’m throwing my arms around Paris
You know this one too. Quite similar to the live version you’ve heard. Synthetic strings and a nice clarinet break. An ok song (but a weak choice for a first single, I think), with a clean production that sounds a bit like The Smiths circa 1986.

5. All you need is me.
You know this one too. Nothing new too add here.

6. When I last spoke to Carol
Starts of with a spanish guitar figure and a flamenco beat. Add some whistled bits that made med think about some mad cross breed between ”The good, the bad and the ugly” and ”Why don’t you find out for yourself”.
Then comes some latin brass that sounds plastic and a bit out of place, and the whole spanish theme falls a bit on the cliché side.
”Antonio Banderas-indie”, my friend said of this one. Quite true…

7. That’s how people grow up.
You know this one as well, and you either like it or you loathe it. Personally I think this is Morrisseys weakest single since 1991 and that the album could have done without it.

8. One day goodbye will be farewell
Another live favourite. The tempo is a bit slower than the live version we’re used to. And the trumpet intro that Mikey used to play is axed altogether. A good song and a passionate vocal from Morrissey.

9. It’s not your birthday anymore
Starts of real quiet with just a drum machine and gentle guitar picking. Morrisseys vocal here is astonishing. He croons it like Sinatra and the strength of his delivery is very impressing. The chorus is a real killer too, almost like it was made to be played to giant audiences at football stadiums. It’s huge, it’s beautiful, it’s a real anthem. Beautiful.
And the explosive kegs between Morrisseys legs make a return here:
”All the gifts that they gave you / Can’t compare in any way / To the love I give / Right here, right now – on the floor”.

10. You were good in your time
Another highlight. Moz plays the role as the teary eyed crooner to perfection here. A beautiful, gentle ballad with the feeling of late nights, empty bars and a fog of cigarette smoke. The synthetic strings ruin the sound a bit, but Morrisseys vocal is amazing here. The song ends in a drawn out ending full of electronic effects and voice samples (a bit like the weird middle section of ”Black-eyed Susan”).

11. Sorry doesn’t help
A great rocking pop song that reminds a bit of ”Reader meet author” and wouldn’t have sounded out of place on ”Southpaw grammar”. The chorus is classic Moz at it’s best. A strong song with a great hook.

11. I’m OK by myself
Another one that wouldn’t have sounded at all out of place on ”Southpaw grammar”. A great, anthemic song with loads of screaming guitars and a beutiful, funny lyric from Moz.
”Then came an arm around my shoulder / Well, surely, the hand contains a revolver”, he sings.
The song ends with a massive guitar and drum inferno while Mozzer screams through a distorted microphone. It’s may look weird in print, but the result is a very, very special and wonderful song.

General impression:

I must admit I was a little bit disappointed. It’s not a bad album. It’s just not, well, a great album. The real downer was that half of the songs felt old already, I mean some of them has been played live since 2007.
And, as I thought was the case with ”Quarry”: It doesn’t feel like an album as such. More a collection of songs. Nothing wrong with that, but I do miss the thread, the theme, the cohesiveness. Think what you will about ”Ringleader”, but it did feel like and album, a whole (something that I personally prefer).
But then again: We got to hear the album in it’s entirety only once (and I was taking notes throughout).

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  • Years of Refusal will undoubtedly become Morrissey's weakest, worst selling album ever!

    Kill Uncle no longer sits in last place!
    Anonymous -- Monday December 08 2008, @10:09AM (#315923)
  • Where is the song where she duets w/ Morrissey?
    Anonymous -- Monday December 08 2008, @10:19AM (#315926)
  • this doesn't sound promsing, overall.

    Anonymous -- Monday December 08 2008, @11:13AM (#315934)
  • In days of old a Swallowneck pre-release was a tragic case of a clumsy premature ejaculation.

    He manages to "keep the wolf from the door" these days by simply whacking one off before he heads off for a night out at the Turk's Head in Sewersby Bridge.
    MarkFromScatter -- Monday December 08 2008, @11:20AM (#315935)
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    If you don't like me, don't look at me...
  • Not being a fan of Southpaw Grammar, the description of YoR didn't make my day.
    References to Black Eyed-Susan? The drummer being the star? I had hoped that the rough live versions would be polished...

    Thanks Matin, for sharing your view nevertheless!
    Stefan Krix -- Monday December 08 2008, @11:21AM (#315936)
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  • I think this sounds excellent. I can do with a couple of repeat singles and I'm looking forward to hearing studio versions of the three songs played on tour. And the new unheard songs sound mostly excellent. This will be at least a solid album. Why is everybody so pessimistic?
    Anonymous -- Monday December 08 2008, @11:22AM (#315937)
    • Re:Promising by Anonymous (Score:0) Monday December 08 2008, @02:43PM
      • Re:Promising by marred (Score:1) Monday December 08 2008, @09:53PM
  • ”All the gifts that they gave you / Can’t compare in any way / To the love I give / Right here, right now – on the floor”
    Ha, ha, this is gonna be classic!! Other than that I remain a little skeptical about the album, although all those "Southpaw Grammar" references in the notes got me intrigued!
    Opolus -- Monday December 08 2008, @11:30AM (#315940)
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    "Slit my eyes, for they'll remember..."
  • just as i suspected - this album is going to suck
    i'm just glad i shelled out money for the greatest hits album to get songs that are now re-released on this album - what a joke
    Anonymous -- Monday December 08 2008, @11:50AM (#315943)
  • promos are out there so when will it leak? before or after X-mas? what a nice gift it would make for the hollidays...although it would spell disaster at the registers in February. i'll settle for a leak of the studio recording of "paris".

    jla
    Anonymous -- Monday December 08 2008, @12:39PM (#315947)
    • Re:leak by Anonymous (Score:0) Tuesday December 09 2008, @07:24AM
    • Re:leak by Martin (Score:1) Tuesday December 09 2008, @08:22AM
  • Hmmm...might just download the album and go see a live show instead of buying the cd...that would leave change for an ice cream as well.
    Anonymous -- Monday December 08 2008, @12:40PM (#315948)
  • What has Moz got against using a real string section I wonder? I kind of agree with him in away. Cheesy synth strings are a bit more 'pop' afterall. As far as I can remember the only time he has had a real string section on an album was Dear God on ROTT - and then he deleted most of them in the edit. Or perhaps he's just a skinflint.
    Anonymous -- Monday December 08 2008, @01:02PM (#315953)
  • Thanks (Score:2, Interesting)

    Firstly thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts with us.

    On a personal note, this is what is truly great and truly awful about the internet.

    If the listeners thoughts are ones of overwhelming love of the album - we may turn out to be underwhelmed when we listen upon it's release. Similarly there a few comments which suggest some tracks are a little on the weak side - but doubtless there will fans of those - but these serve to only disappoint fans eager for new Morrissey songs.

    My own thoughts are

    I will of course by the album. some of what I've heard I do like.
    I am disappointed by the inclusion of the 2 previous singles - mainly because they were both on the greatest hits as the obligatory new tracks.
    THPGU is really weak, All You Need Is Me is better but not great. I can recall no other instance of his songs being released in this way.

    As for the other songs I've heard live - they have promise - i await the studio versions before passing further comment.

    Given Morrissey's album-less years, it's great in a way to see him so prolific but i do think there are quality control isues which should be addressed. It's been sometime since (IMHO) we had an album without 4 often 5 filler tracks.

    I hope this album is more consistent but one thing is certain - Morrissey continues to polarize opinion within his fanbase like few other artists. It's never dull on this site !

    Martin C
    Anonymous -- Monday December 08 2008, @01:07PM (#315956)
    • Re:Thanks by Anonymous (Score:0) Tuesday December 09 2008, @10:25AM
  • Really, Martin, I don't know what made you associate the keyboard work in Mama... with a fairy tale!

    There's been a few songs from this album I have been playing over and over (from youtube, unfortunately, because I can't restrain myself) and I find them strong enough to do my soul cleansing - which is what I really care about anyways.

    Something Is Squeezing My Skull, at least in my ears, is a very strong statement of how our modern population copes with loneliness by a sort of chemical lobotomy - popping up pills. It is vehement and brave and passionate. I don't know too many singer/songwriters that speak so openly about the subject... and please don't cite She Don't Like Cocaine by Eric Clapton - or Cold Turkey by John Lennon (a song that deals with a whole other aspect of handling drugs). I used to work as a medical interpreter in the mental health division of a hospital about eight years ago, and the failure of drug treatment for depression, and the hypocrisy that new drugs would be a ticket to freedom for many patients is not an easy issue to deal with.

    Mama's lyrics are very poignant, the drum work is fine, but I visualise that a faster pace would improve the song. But it is not a disappointment to me.

    All in all, thanks for your "review", but opinions are mostly subjective. While you are disappointed with the album, I am anxiously awaiting to be able to hear it in my stereo instead of on youtube.

     
    Mrs. Woolf -- Monday December 08 2008, @01:30PM (#315959)
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  • It's nice that someone heard the record and has posted some information about it but in the end it was a diservice to both the fans and the record. What would have been better would be if the "reviewer" had just gave a few notes on the music, lyrics and overall sound of the songs. Offereing personal thoughts, feeling and comparisons to older songs and albums does nothing.
    Anonymous -- Monday December 08 2008, @01:48PM (#315962)
  • Doesn't sound bad at all. Not everyone likes all the same songs & styles. People have their own Morrissey favourites.
    Anonymous -- Monday December 08 2008, @02:05PM (#315967)
  • Thank you, Martin, for sharing your impressions with us!
      Even though your summary wasn´t exactly enthusiastic, it created butterflies in my stomach & I´m now excited & really looking forward to hearing the cd. :-)
    Cashews -- Monday December 08 2008, @02:28PM (#315972)
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  • I can't help but suspect that the next album will be with Marr...If this one turns out to be the stinker that many are fearing, he really should give that a go.
    IanCurtis -- Monday December 08 2008, @02:55PM (#315977)
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    • Re:Marr by Anonymous (Score:0) Monday December 08 2008, @03:33PM
      • Re:Marr by Anonymous (Score:0) Wednesday December 10 2008, @06:11AM
  • Judging by the last two songs, Jesse is STILL unable to write anything other than a rock song...
    Anonymous -- Monday December 08 2008, @02:59PM (#315981)
  • Second half is good.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday December 09 2008, @05:17AM (#316022)
  • Seems odd marker post for weakest single.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday December 09 2008, @05:19AM (#316023)
  • "And, as I thought was the case with ”Quarry”: It doesn’t feel like an album as such. More a collection of songs. Nothing wrong with that, but I do miss the thread, the theme, the cohesiveness. Think what you will about ”Ringleader”, but it did feel like and album, a whole (something that I personally prefer)."

    My thoughts exactly.

    Leaving Visconti for Finn was the dummest thing Morrissey has done in many years. The DUMMEST thing, I say!

    Eric Hartman -- Tuesday December 09 2008, @05:32AM (#316025)
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    It is a very mixed blessing to be brought back from the dead.
  • The inclusion of these two previously released songs is odd, and will no doubt do the album any favours.
    However with itunes one can edit their own idea of what a Morrissey album should be. For instance on Maladjusted I replaced 'Papa Jack' and 'Roy's Keen' with 'Lost' and 'The Edges Are No Longer Parallel.' Now it's a pretty decent album!
    See, now all those turkeys and fillers can be hidden away as b-sides. Have a go, it's actually quite fun.
    Rich Hill1978 -- Tuesday December 09 2008, @06:32AM (#316031)
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  • ... Morrissey to make a great album, and is okay with that?

    The man's written over 250 songs and an overwhelming number of them are incredible.

    I don't think it's unreasonable to cut the man some slack.

    The fact that Morrissey is still producing great songs like My Dearest Love, Dear God and Pigsty is reason enough to be happy.

    The fact remains that Morrissey is a unique talent. Who else would write a lyric like, "The motion of taxis excites me"? Who else would sing "I've hung on, hung on, hung on for one hundred years" quite so beautifully?

    If half the album and a few b-sides stand out, I'll be more than content.

    That's not to say I think he's incapable of delivering a great album: it's just a little ridiculous to expect one and whine incessantly when it doesn't arrive.

    If Morrissey had delayed the release of Quarry, Ringleader and Refusal and had produced just one album combining the best elements of all three it would have been a wonderful record, a truly great record, his best record, but I for one would rather not wait.

    And everybody here would still be whining: how long are we going to have to wait for the follow-up to the critically-acclaimed and universally-adored 'You are the Ringleader of Refusal'?
    Deniston -- Tuesday December 09 2008, @10:09AM (#316060)
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    I just want to keep everyone happy
  • Patience Microdick, patience....
    Anonymous -- Monday December 08 2008, @03:43PM (#315989)
  • I like that "nothing left to prove" -could be a new title. Maybe he'd use the whole sentence, then it would be referred to as TIWHWYHNLTP - on this site.
    Anonymous -- Monday December 08 2008, @08:15PM (#316000)
  • He's as gay as a fruit basket!

    --Urban (banned from solo chatroom)
    Anonymous -- Tuesday December 09 2008, @11:09AM (#316069)
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