I stand by exactly what I said in the original post. I wanted to clear up the confusion that I receive ALL Smiths royalties from Warners. That is untrue.
The only reason I felt obliged to send you a posting in the first place was due to an article in the forums regarding how much of the Smiths income I receive from Warner Bros. I wanted to clarify the situation that I do not receive ALL royalties from Warners music, that is all. Merck is correct. I did receive, in the past, Morrissey's share of royalties from Warners, but if Morrissey had paid me the money that was owed to me in the first place, the same way that Johnny has done, then I would not have had to be forced to go down the route I had taken. In retrospect, I think this probably wasn't the place to vent my frusration regarding the matter, but it was brought to my attention that people were under the impression that I receive 100% of all Smiths royalties. That is untrue. It was posted on your site, therefore I felt obliged to make the people who come here aware of the facts.
..."Mike Joyce takes great pleasure in being a thorn in Morrissey's side - it is perhaps his only purpose."
How more offensive and untrue could this sentence possibly be. This is the situation. When I eventually receive the money that's owed to me, then the "thorn" will be removed immediately.
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Mike Joyce (Score:1)
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Morrissey's share (Score:1)
What changed?
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lurking (Score:1)
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morrissey vs joyce (Score:0)
Hmm (Score:0)
This is all getting terribly sordid (Score:1)
Peter
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Go Mike, go! (Score:0)
Mike, take him to the bloody cleaners!
And, as much as I adore Morrissey's music, I hope you get the money you're owed.
Ignore the muppets on here - many are social misfits(FACT).
How offensive (Score:0)
Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic (Score:1)
# I don't owe you anything, but you owe me something - repay me now #
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No explanation for this though (Score:0)
"Maybe some of the people who visit this site could ask Morrissey through their contacts just WHO receives ALL Smiths royalties now...Mmm?"
Wasn't it to try to suggest that Morrissey was receiving all the royalties and by implication taking money off Johnny and Andy?
You've lost all credibility with your sly and dishonest statement. The fact that you haven't been able to refute anything Merck says tells us all we need to know.
Seems so unfair (Score:1)
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Tell us this Mike (Score:0)
Questions for Mike (Score:0)
How much have you taken from Morrissey's Smiths royalties to date - have you taken any other of his money aswell - what is the total you have recieived?
Will this process ever end - if so when?
Looking back on those years do you think your input to The Smiths - (creativly and promotionally) was equal to the input of Morrissey and Marr?
I would be intersted to hear your answers to these question - it would certainly make the picture alot clearer - Thanks
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Joyce (Score:1)
Simply put, leave Morrissey and Morrissey-Solo.com alone.
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Mike Wank (Score:1)
I have never hated an artist more in my life. How dishonest and bitter, and desperate of Joyce.... but alas, fuck the money, Morrissey is a bigger person, and he has greater attributes to live this life with a straight face.
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Dear Mike (Score:1)
you are Persona Non Grata on this site, I suggest you take a hint and go fuck yourself with something hard.
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Is Morrissey an angel? (Score:0)
(I am not Mike Joyce).
Schoolboy Bully (Score:0)
mike joyce (Score:1)
A court decided that you needed more monies than you had signed for.
Out of any courtroom scenario any layman would say how blessed you were to have the luck to 'know' marr at the time the songs were crafted.
you are a PARASITE who believes that court room judgements mean you have a moral claim to something that is not yours.
I beleive you lack anything that would be seen as good.
Ask yourself the question @what have i done and earned since marr walked out that has not been linked to the mozz / marr partnership'
jack shit if you did not know
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who cares (Score:0)
wtf? (Score:0)
If so, I like it. More please.
northern leeches (Score:1)
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A refresh... (Score:0)
http://true-to-you.net/morrissey_news_051130_01
"30 November 2005
Statement from Morrissey:
The latest statements from M Joyce on a BBC 6 radio interview as faithfully reported on the MorrisseySoLow site have been brought to my attention and I feel I should make this reply as an attempt to put the matter straight.
1. From '83 to '87 M Joyce happily and willingly received 10% of Smiths recording royalties.
2. In '89, as is documented, Joyce sued Morrissey & Marr for 25% of Smiths recording royalties.
3. In '96, Joyce took his claim to court - and on the basis of the 1890 Partnership Act the judge awarded Joyce 25%.
4. In '97, M Joyce was paid 215 thousand pounds from me, and 215 thousand pounds from Johnny Marr.
5. In '99, Joyce appeared on British television and made the statement: "There was no contract saying we were gonna get 25%."
6. In 2001, as a final payment of back royalties, Johnny Marr paid Joyce 260 thousand pounds, plus "costs." At this time I was in the US and was not served with court proceedings, so Joyce obtained a Default Judgment. He then put forward a claim from me for 688 thousand pounds - well above and beyond the amount Johnny Marr was ordered to pay. In my absence, the figure was not contested.
7. Since 2001, and because of the Default Judgment against me, Joyce has taken out Third Party Orders against the following societies: my personal bank account in England, Smiths royalties from Warner Music, my personal PRS royalties, my personal PPL royalties, and he has attempted to seize UK concert fees from venue to venue. This money, to date, totals 700 thousand pounds. This figure is in addition to the figures mentioned above.
8. By grabbing the full total of Smiths royalties from Warner Music (and this means that when the public buy a Smiths CD in the UK, the royalties go to Joyce, and have done so since 2001) Joyce has knowingly deprived Andy Rourke of his 10% Smiths royalties, and has deprived producers John Porter, Stephen Street, Grant Showbiz and Steve Lillywhite (for "Ask") of their entitlements. Joyce did not declare to the courts that others - namely, the above - were also beneficiaries to the Warner Music royalties.
9. In 2001, Joyce attempted to seize both my mother's house and my sister's house by claiming that I had taken my assets out of the UK; he made this claim even though he had direct access to all of the above – which are in the UK. Joyce eventually dropped both of these claims due to lack of evidence, and he refused to pay the 150 thousand pounds that it had cost me to defend his groundless claims. Joyce also dropped his claim as co-composer with Johnny M on Smiths compositions, and Joyce also dropped his claim for Producer royalties on Smiths recordings, and Joyce also dropped his claim for a share of Artwork payments given to me for providing Smiths record sleeves. There were, in fact, no payments to me for Smiths Artwork. Joyce made a further claim for 25% of all Smiths t-shirts sold during the '83 to '87 period, even though there was no evidence that any royalty for t-shirts had been received by either myself or Johnny Marr.
10. In legal fees alone, Joyce has cost me 600 thousand pounds - this is quite apart from any payments made to him, and is quite apart from any money seized by him. In total, Joyce has cost me 1 million, 515 thousand pounds. This is an approximate figure - it could even be higher.
11. The Joyce action is continuous. Because of his Default Judgment he continues to take my royalties, and the royalties of others mentioned above, from Warner Music - consequently I have not received record royalties since 2001.
12. Since 2001, the money claimed by Joyce is charged, to me, at 100 pounds a day in interest.
13. During the Smiths' lifetime, when Joyce willingly took a 10% royalty, he did not contribute towards any expenses of any kind, did not take on any Partnership duties or responsibi
you or any other musician (Score:0)
what have you ever made ?
you only live of morrissey .
he is working so much and you get money sat in his house
I'm with you Mike! (Score:0)
I don't understand Morrissey he feels like he is the queen of england and deserves all.
Years of Refusal (Score:1)
Remember the love in The Smiths; value peace of mind and grant it to others, and take a step forward to shake hands on a deal. It's too sad, too depraved, otherwise, when things don't have to be like this.
Still, Morrissey's done great standing his ground all this time so perhaps it's something he accepts as one of those unsavoury inconveniences in life in spite of which lots of us prevail regardless.
Also I cannot recall ever seeing the main page being this busy and dramatic on a weekend!
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Mike, keep your chin up, you are in the right- (Score:0)
I sense Merck is burying his nose up Steves ass to get back in with him because he is vapid without him. So accosting his "thorn" with feeble "threats" is a calculated tactic to win over the precocious Steve-
Keep your chin up.
My View (Score:1)
At the end of the day, Mike was 1/4 of a four piece band, not a session musician, end of. Granted, he didn't write any of the songs but he is most certainly entitled to being paid for playing drums on the records and at gigs, just as much as Andy and Johnny. He was on the stage performing, in the studio recording and putting just as much effort in (probably more) as Morrissey did.
Don't get me wrong, I love Morrissey and his music but the heart of the matter is Mike was not paid for a job he did.
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All They Want Is Your Money... (Score:0)
It's remarkable.... (Score:1)
If Mike Joyce has received Morrissey's share then he's £1m up at least so surely that makes the... oh HANG ON. Does that mean Morrissey's received zero Smiths royalties since the court case?
Could someone legal stand up?
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people get a grip (Score:0)
give him what he earned.
It's really a matter of law (Score:1)
If the court said Moz owes Joyce money, he owes him the money. That is all that matters.
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reunion utopia (Score:1)
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Well, well, well. (Score:1)
So, who here wants to buy a bridge?
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80% of Solo needs to grow up (Score:0)
I'll tell you who is the grown up in all this. Marr.
Made a mistake. Paid the man what he was owed and has moved on.
Again, we're "fan"atics. Grow up. Take the emotion out of it and you realize who is the squirrel hording all the nuts.
Songwriting credits aside... (Score:1)
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MerckFromScatter responds to Mike Joyce statement (Score:1)
Best wishes,
MerckFromScatter
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Dear Mike (Score:1)
Know some of us understand you're just trying to get the money that is owed to you. I'd support anyone in that, but especially someone who was the drummer on all those great Smiths records.
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Joyce (Score:1)
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Anyone else think it's odd that ... (Score:0)
Good on Mike... (Score:0)
Of course Mike Joyce had a say in the rythmn section and so did Andy.
I would be racked off if I had put in 5 years of hard graft to discover your 'mates' had done you over a barrell.
The judge erred (Score:1)
Anyone who thinks Moz and Marr wouldn't have fired Joyce back in 83 or whatever, had he insisted on his 25% back then, is on crack, basically.
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superb entertainment!!! (Score:0)
Northern Leech (Score:0)
If the band royalties were fairly distributed then (Score:1)
Morrissey should receive 30%
Rourke should receive 15%
Joyce should receive 15%
I worship the ground on which Morrissey walks, but the truth is that Johnny was the driving force behind The Smiths and he and Morrissey fed off one another's genius. Marr worked himself into the ground for that band and the pressure drove him to alcoholism; he deserves the most money as a result, because he was manager as well as guitarist and songwriter. Morrissey is second in line, as the band wouldn't have existed without him and the songs are his creative, intellectual property.
The ruling that decreed each member should receive an equal share is like giving the illustrator of a book, or the book jacket designer the same amount of money as the author, or allowing the set designer of a film to take home as much as the film's star or it's director.
In other words, people came to see The Smiths and bought their albums because of Morrissey and Marr. To give Rourke and Joyce the same amount of money for their contribution (and there's no doubting they were brilliant musicians and the best men for the job) is basically saying that they did the same amount of work.
However, life's not fair and people are, by nature, avaricious. Also, it seems, friendship crumbles when it comes to money. I'm sure most of you on here would agree that if a good mate painted a fantastic piece of art work and you added the finishing brush strokes that made that art work amazing in the eyes of the establishment, you wouldn't expect the same plaudits and financial gain as your friend. After all, it is their work, you were just the finishing touch and should be happy to be known as such.
If people who desire fame and fortune spent less time chasing after what wasn't rightfully theirs and more time putting in the work to acheive something spectacular on their own merits, then the world would probably be highly advanced in all scientific and creative fields by now.
Whatever the law ruled in the case of The Smiths is really irrelevant when it comes to a moral stance over people's intellectual property.
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How Sordid (Score:1)
The only person who benefits from this fiasco is Mike Joyce.
It's obvious that Morrissey has been so upset by the whole drawn-out mess that he's squandered too much of his precious time and energy on songs about court cases and judges which relatively few people truly want to hear.
This will never end, and it will be a drain on the reputation of a great band, the talent of a great artist, and the patience of a great many admirers of both.
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Me too! (Score:1)
Erm
Ah. Failed. Again.
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morrissey shouldn't cry (Score:0)
Why would he bother? He's bloody rich anyway! Stupid and frustrated. I love his music but he should forgive and forget.
This is Mike Joyce (Score:1)
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Money so they say (Score:0)