Von Sulstrus writes:
On his MySpace page, Paul Heaton absolutley rips into Morrissey for his NME interview.
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Monday, December 10, 2007
Dear Morrissey...
So Britain isn't British enough for Morrissey anymore?
Tragedy! What the fuck has it got to do with him? He doesn't even live here, does he?
In 1977 i would sit in a classroom, virtually helpless as my close friend and the only black boy in class and year Joe Sweetinburgh, would be racially and physically abused everyday by the same four or five idiots. Now exactly thirty years later, i take my six-year-old daughter to a classroom populated by white British, black British, Somalians, descendants of Chinese immigrants, African immigrants, Kurdish, Iranian, Indian, Pakistani and Irish immigrants. It is without doubt the happiest classroom you will ever see! And that includes children, parents and teachers, who all get along just fine. Oh, and top of the class, a young Polish boy, who up to two years ago couldn't speak a word of English. Morrissey apparently longs for the class of '77. Well it may not be 'your' Britain but it IS mine, so keep your nose out you peckerwood bastard!
And be careful Stephen Patrick Morrissey- There's a large group of youth in your white adopted city that hark back to the days of empire, when the Romans would hang, draw and viciously bum 'stranieri' like you! And that wouldn't be very British would it?
Forza Hackney Wolverines! Forza Commando Ultra Curva Sud!
Tosser! (Score:1)
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How dare him! (Score:0)
Come on ladies, you know you have it in you.
Unintelligent comments don't write themselves.
Beat me to it! (Score:0)
Now we only need 100 more pissy comments to make this a traditional Moz against the world thread.
imagine... (Score:1)
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err... sorry but (Score:0)
class of '77 (Score:0)
Long live The Beautiful South! (Score:0)
When are the real celebrities going to pitch in? (Score:1)
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"Dear Morrissey"? (Score:1)
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*sigh* (Score:1)
Paul Heaton doesn't seem to understand this.
Also? Fuck you, Paul Heaton.
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random posts (Score:0)
entertaining read (Score:1)
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Just a humble Brit's response. (Score:0)
To want cultural identity which is founded on shared heritage and understanding is not racist. Racisim certainly exists with native Brits AND immigrants.
When you see entire neighbourhoods gradually turn in to pretty much entirely Islamic estates, with no assimilation whatsoever; you have to ask yourself who is actually perpetuating the divide...?
Race isn't the issue, but it can often come with cultural and religious baggage which clearly prevents full intergration.
Perhaps I'm trying to articulate the strange feeling of being kept at arms-length in one's own country - it's not nice and I sense the arm will grow stronger over time.
Paul Hedonist (Score:0)
Though Morrissey is a twat, it does seem fashionable to jump on the anti-Morrissey bandwagon. But I'm sure it doesn't bother morrissey either way.. he's Hollywood now and in Hollywood the secret to success is in knowing it's not what people say, good or bad, so long as they spell your name right! Any publicity is good publicity and Morrissey knows this. This is why I think that he said such inflammatory remarks intentionally - it's his way of selling out, yet still appearing to care little about what others think.
Very clever.
jumped up pantry boy (Score:1)
Fair enough if Morrissey had said the things people are accusing him of then he should be taken to task . I have just this minute read the interview (I live in Australia) and what did he say that was so bad? Certain factions (NME,Bragg,Heaton etcetera) seem to want to read something really evil and sinister into Morrissey's comments.The simple fact is the race/immigration issue needs to be addressed rationally and calmly.Paul Heaton saying his kids class at school is culturally diverse and a happy one. Well that's great.Sure Morrissey would be pleased about that but Mr Heaton it is not that simple. Now go and resume your career as a Ron Dixon lookalike you turd.
Oh and Heaton aren't you the one who had a female backing singer who left your band because she was sick of misogynist lyrics? What was that all about? Freedom of speech?
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Wonderful! (Score:0)
Is this a typically English response to news?
I have never seen such back-biting reach this level on any other forum that I visit.
Dear Mr Heaton..... (Score:1)
You screech: “What the FC-UK has it got to do with him?”
Well: He’s a British Citizen. The fact that he doesn’t currently reside here doesn’t invalidate his right to comment as a citizen. Do you understand that bit?
Why were you sitting ‘virtually helpless’ as your black friend was racially and physically abused? Why didn’t you do something about it, like smack them in the fcuking gob? Around 1977, I went to The Lake District with my Sikh girlfriend, Jasvinder:“Hopes may rise amidst Grasmere, but honey pie, you’re not safe here!” [Lyric copyright Morrissey]
We faced incomprehensibly ignorant comments and overt abuse. Not just in The Lake District, but also, even more so, from a minority of ignorant British Asians in Birmingham who assumed Jasvinder was a Muslim, rather than a Sikh, and that therefore they had to ‘protect her’ from my predations. She’s a barrister now. She didn’t take any shit either. Not from them. Not from my dad, my brothers. Not from anyone. She was absolutely ‘punk-rock’ though she never climbed into the silly attire, because, in Birmingham, punk rock lasted about 3 weeks before the spitting morons ruined it for any sane person.
My reaction was to use my rather frightening stare and clench my fist. It usually did the trick. Weren’t you totally ‘punk-rock’ by 1977 with the ‘scary hairdo’ and the rest of it?
You then go on to describe the idyllic conditions under which your children are enjoying a multi-cultural, multi-racial, multi-linguistic Utopia of an education. Where? Do you still live in Hull? Goole? (Yes, America: There is such a place, not just in ‘Buffy The Vampire Slayer, but also just outside Hull!)Is this a state run school or a private fee school? I need more information!
You see I used to live in Walthamstow, innit! And I loved to live there. I have friends there who are teachers and they are in a state of despair!
How many ‘classroom/language assistants’ are provided to ensure all these British children are educated in this way? Because my friends in East London, Birmingham, Manchester and Liverpool are having the most terrible problems ensuring their kids get even a basic education.
Why? Not because of ‘Immigration’ but because of the total failure to resource the integration and assimilation of pre-school children from other countries, cultures, who arrive at primary school not speaking a word of English. Sometimes that’s because their parents live in such frightening, barricaded conditions because of racist yobs, that they don’t feel like ‘joining in’ the wonderful multi-cultural, multi-lingual Utopia you seem to have found.
I used to work with a wonderful woman who was a refugee from Sierra Leone. She was constantly fighting with her two wonderful children to ensure they would speak enough ‘proper’ English so that they could get a decent education, or a job. So that they would NOT descend into the linguistic inferno of Estuary-Mockney-American Rap Patois: Which isn’t very useful when you want to escape your slum council estate and be interviewed for a job where ‘standard English’ is a requirement. Why?
Because you might have to conduct business meetings with visitors from Korea or Brazil who have learnt a ‘redundant’ form of English, which one, truly, rarely hears on The Streets of London, these days. From anyone. Especially not yer average white working or non-working class teenager. Is that good, bad or just more neutral ‘change‘?
My son plays in a Sunday league footie team where there are several recent new recruits. Great lads from Poland. 12, 13 years old. They are desperate to learn English so they can feel ‘part of the team’. But it’s rather hard for their parents to organise extra-curricular English tuition when they’re picking apples in Ye O
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Go F yourself Paul (Score:0)
is he (Score:1)
*confused*
but it was a venomous virtual kick in the back
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well ... (Score:1)
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get off the stage (Score:0)
Fuck you all mother fuckers!!!!!!! (Score:0)
cant you get it!!!!!
Morrissey doesn't live in the UK because... (Score:1)
Hes not an ex-pat out of choice...
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Paul Heaton (Score:1)
Juts been looking through some of his lyrics and found this...
i am the only black face in the whole damn place
just a raisin in the blazing sun.
this old skin,is weighing me down.
this old skin.
But the rhythm and the melody
were dead black men swinging
I rest my case.
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Oh-uh (Score:1)
Damn, I love the Housemartins but he totally messed it up for me.
Picture him and Moz in a bareknuckle fight. Our Paulie wouldn't last a minute.
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Liars Blah (Score:1)
This wreeks of the nonsense I dispatch to my bemused pals on Facebook when I'm 3parts hungover 1part pissed of a sunday morning.
Still I'm sure Biscuit Boy Aka CrackersBarrel or whatever he calls himself these days will be looking forward to the sold-out signs going up around the country for his tour come next Spring.
Erm, hang on...
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Oh Paul (Score:1)
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Ive met Paul heaton (Score:0)
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Oh how little he knows (Score:1)
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80's has beens, come 1 come all. (Score:0)
does anyone give any credibility to this drivel?
this joker hasn't got a tune of his own to save his life nor an original thought in his funny shaped head. He's done nothing, of any worth, for years. close your mealy mouth!
Opinions opinions (Score:0)
"Opinions are like bum holes, we all have them, and they all stink"
Nuff said
A violent fantasy (Score:0)
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Wha? (Score:1)
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Further Abuse (Score:0)
I really need to calm down, don't I?
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Plagurism (Score:1)
If Paul Heaton despises Morrrissey so much, why does the opening few seconds of the track "The kids these days" sound like a sped up version of 'sing your life'?
Listen now, its on his Myspace page.
The thieving Bastard!
Viva Moz
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namecalling (Score:1)
Namecalling on myspace
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Wanker!!! (Score:1)
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Liar, liar, pants afire (Score:0)
Tell you what thought - in my country the powers that be have just passed a law that Sikh kiddies are allowed to carry daggers to school. Cultural reasons apparently. I seem to recall that the Anglo-Saxons carried weapons. Could my kids carry swords to school on cultural grounds? Not on your life mate.
This is where it's all going tits up. This is what Moz is on about.
sick to the stomach (Score:0)
I can't believe the amount of narrow minded, bitter, and deeply prejudiced vitriol on this website. I take it that the majority of you had never even heard of Morrissey before his thoughtless comments of late but I'll bet you'll be turning up at his gigs next year to sing along to the NF disco..
Great work Morrissey.. these 'people' were dying for an excuse to rear their ugly heads..
It's so easy to laugh it's so easy to hate.. too bloody right.
yours, angry EX Smiths fan.
Oh dear, paul , doh..... (Score:1)
BUT this time Paul whoa u have totally missed the whole point . BIG time
Whats more u have encouraged people with thick heads and no brains to slate Mozz in the feedback of your blog by starting the random racist classroom story.
Mozz comments were based on immigration and the general state of the country and were not racist.
All this p.c. stuff has fucked the country up.
Arrggh.
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Oh, (Score:1)
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at first... (Score:1)
but then i remembered the guy is from hull, and what a dreary shithole that place is, and i couldn't help but feel some sympathy for him. sorry to anyone from there who might be reading this, but god, that town really defined every negative stereotype one might have of britain, in my experience.
i do love britain in general though, just for the record.
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Paul Heaton (Score:0)
Morrissey (Score:0)
Must hurt, coming from an idol. (Score:0)
"Moz @ the Beautiful South show in L.A.
"posted by davidt on Monday October 30 2000, @10:00AM
"johnny o writes:
"I met him. I finally met him.
"Prior to the Beautiful South taking the stage at the (Hollywood) House of Blues Sat. night, talk was in the air that Morrissey was in attendance. My wife, Suzanne, asked a viking-looking, albeit, very nice bouncer if Moz was in fact in the House. He said, "yes," but couldn't divulge his location. Suddenly we looked up and spotted Morrissey upstairs; seated center stage.
"After the South launched into a high-spirited "From Under the Covers," we naturally popped up to the balcony, and watched the remainder of the show 10 short yards away from Morrissey, Alain White and a few others.
"Surrounded by five security guards--looking like causually dressed Secret Service agents--Moz sat quietly at a table sipping Coronas, nodding to the tempo and graciously applauding after every song..."
More Rage (Score:0)
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Broke Nigger Heaton the Whore (Score:0)
Morrissey is thin, strikingly attractive - he even looks better now then he did in the Smiths. Jealousy, jealousy, jealousy, -- you are as tasteless as a potato pancake and you’re intelligence level is tantamount to the dial tone on my phone.
Heaton the whore -- Heaton the whore.
Kate
hahaha paul fuckin' heaton (Score:0)
What a chap eh?
Oh and by the way, the songs are crap.
Point-by-point rebuttal of Heaton's blog entry (Score:0)
So Britain isn't British enough for Morrissey anymore?
The question is wrongly phrased. In the interview Morrissey spoke of England, not Britain.
Tragedy! What the fuck has it got to do with him? He doesn't even live here, does he?
It has everything to do with why he doesn't live there. If Heaton had read the NME hit job properly, he would have known the answers to such questions and saved himself the embarrassment of writing this piece of crap.
In 1977 i would sit in a classroom, virtually helpless as my close friend and the only black boy in class and year Joe Sweetinburgh, would be racially and physically abused everyday by the same four or five idiots. Now exactly thirty years later, i take my six-year-old daughter to a classroom populated by white British, black British, Somalians, descendants of Chinese immigrants, African immigrants, Kurdish, Iranian, Indian, Pakistani and Irish immigrants. It is without doubt the happiest classroom you will ever see!
What in blue blazes is Heaton talking about? Morrissey didn't link the levels of immigration to ethnic conflict. He didn't say anything about ethnic conflict at all. He was talking about the loss of the English identity due to large-scale immigration; the transformation of England from a monoculture into a multicultural polyglot. Heaton is addressing statements Morrissey didn't even make and thus committing the straw man fallacy.
And that includes children, parents and teachers, who all get along just fine. Oh, and top of the class, a young Polish boy, who up to two years ago couldn't speak a word of English. Morrissey apparently longs for the class of '77. Well it may not be 'your' Britain but it IS mine, so keep your nose out you peckerwood bastard!
More straw men. And notice Heaton is basing his preference for a multicultural Britain on personal taste ('it's not your Britain, it's mine'). Morrissey could turn right around and say, 'It may not be "your" England, but it's mine', sans childish insult.
And be careful Stephen Patrick Morrissey- There's a large group of youth in your white adopted city that hark back to the days of empire, when the Romans would hang, draw and viciously bum 'stranieri' like you! And that wouldn't be very British would it?
Forza Hackney Wolverines! Forza Commando Ultra Curva Sud!
There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. Anyone who opposes an immigration policy that is turning the English into just an another ethnic minority (with no special claim to the land of their ancestors who founded and built it) is a 'peckerwood bastard', and doesn't grasp the relationship between classrooms and nations.
manifesto for the rest (Score:0)
body of work was in a book called
'Exaggerated Intelligence'. I remember it
because I shelved it between the books
'Bulletproof Cod piece' and 'The Benefits of
Scatology'!