posted by davidt on Monday October 16 2006, @11:00PM
Jake writes:
I saw this interview on Obscure Sound...

the guitarist for The Dears, Patrick Krief, had this bit to say about Morrissey:

Well, I’m sorry to disappoint anybody by saying this. But I can’t deal with
Morrissey.. I never liked his music. I do hear the occasional reference in
The Dears, but man, I think people are just lazy, They need to put a label
on things.

Opening for Morrissey was a sad sight man. Seeing what success can do to
people is pretty painful. Being asked to leave the building when he’s
crossing the corridor, or being told to not look directly at him made me
sick!

Sometimes its better to not meet people you admire. The whole band was
pretty upset by the whole encounter. Luckily for me, I’m not a fan.


Wow! Sounds interesting. Not allowed to look in Morrissey's direction? Funny.
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  • "that's our moz..."
    suzanne -- Monday October 16 2006, @11:13PM (#237208)
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    I scare dead people.
  • Damned right you shouldn't look at him!
    You aren't worthy to kiss his feet.
    Anonymous -- Monday October 16 2006, @11:29PM (#237210)
  • "Seeing what success can do to people is pretty painful. Being asked to leave the building when he’s crossing the corridor, or being told to not look directly at him made me sick!"

    Sounds like Moz has been spending too much time with Alexis.

    Blake Carrington -- Monday October 16 2006, @11:40PM (#237211)
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    Steven, I wanted you to be a man!
  • i do believe that these sorry guys are lying. im sure there was a good reason for them being asked to leave the building. theyre obviously not telling the entire story and are trying to slam moz to make him look bad so they can get more press and attention. its really pathetic when people try to do that.noone likes the dears, theyre absolutely horrible and this guy is a no-talent clod.
    theambitiousoutsider -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @12:07AM (#237213)
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  • not to look at him in the eye?

    considering how many people gaze at him, whether close to him or far from him, this comment is a rather intriguing one...

    besides, it is ridicoulous to think of someone who has been in the public sphere for over 23 years, who has seeked it, to order not to be looked in the eye.

    I've seen certain videos of him entering a car, a bus, etc. when he doesn't want to be looked at, he doesn't look at!

    Regarding the corridor business, since this guy is not a fan anyway, and a non-fan who claims even to be sick with it, it's understandable: it might be for security purposes ;)

    Mrs. Woolf -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @01:03AM (#237223)
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  • I haven't been visiting this site for awhile now, since Morrissey's been making an ass of himself for the past couple years, his last album wasn't up to snuff, and it feels like he has "jumped the shark". But for old times' sake I thought I'd see what's new in the World of Morrissey.

    "Opening for Morrissey was a sad sight man. Seeing what success can do to people is pretty painful. Being asked to leave the building when he’s crossing the corridor, or being told to not look directly at him made me sick! Sometimes its better to not meet people you admire. The whole band was pretty upset by the whole encounter. Luckily for me, I’m not a fan."

    Oooookay, Morrissey, you ridiculous celebrity and stupid asshole. Another example that I was entirely correct about what you've become.

    Someone should push his way through all his yes-men and slap some sense into him. It's just sad.

    LoafingOaf <reversethis-{moc ... otstnilfcitnarf}> -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @01:10AM (#237224)
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    Fuck it, Dude. Let's go bowling.
  • Cliches and lies-- (Score:2, Insightful)

    I think that these comments are exaggerations.

    For example, WHO asked them to *not* look directly at him-? Etc. I find this hard to believe-

    Especially when you consider how Morrissey has gone out of his way to shake hands with his fans at shows! At the Chicago dates for YATQ, Morrissey really tried hard to connect with his fans (the security was awful- but that is another story)-

    This is the old Barbara Streisand cliche. I don't believe the truth in it at all- especially since I have met fans who have had Morrissey autograph different memorabilia. Morrissey has even went out of his home to meet and greet select fans in L.A. (who sorta stalked him). You guys know I'm telling the truth, here.

    And Julia is another example. She is treated like near-royalty. So I say to hell with the Dears.

    Ken
    sycophantic_slag -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @01:12AM (#237225)
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    "And I just can't explain/ So I won't even try to."
  • uses 'man' after every sentence, deserves everything they get.
    jehova's witless -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @02:04AM (#237228)
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  • This is what journalists do to get a story, ask "x" what they think of "y" and then publish a controversial article, not neccessarity accurate to what has been said. It's hardly a new thing...

    Speculation is a bit pointless without firsthand knowledge. Morrissey could be a sensitive, kind, gentle person who'd be a pleasure to know, or at the other end a paranoid cokehead, obnoxious lush.
    The truth is somewhere inbetween. The truth of who someone is, that's for them to know and other's opinions are relatively unimportant.

    I heard the Dears album last week and didn't think much of it. My opinion on the music hasn't changed one way or the other. I don't hate him for expressing an opinion I disagree with.

    I wish Morrissey the best of health and happiness, as I do the lad from the Dears.

    No-one’s perfect, don’t expect too much…
    sinistra 21 -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @02:10AM (#237229)
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  • Dear me, this Dear is full of shit. Can we not see the teeniest inconsistency between

    "I never liked his music"

    and

    "Its best not to meet someone you admire" ??

    What's to admire if he doesn't like the music? Or is he just a stirring little turd?

    You decide!
    Anonymous -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @02:31AM (#237230)
  • What did they expect? That he would invite them all into his dressing room for a few beers and chipstcks?

    I'm getting a picture of the Tour Crew pissing their pants laughing, after they have asked these wet kids to walk around backstage in sack cloths & bells. "Don't look into the Eyes", "Bow". I can just imagine the scene.

    Moz always treats his live shows as something between him and his fans. Even his own band are reduced to blending into the background for the larger part of the set. So if he wants to walk into the venue, gather his thoughts and go onstage without clingy support acts blocking his way? Good for him. Most support acts only serve to keep the bar a bit more empty, for the likes of me anyway!
    Anonymous -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @02:55AM (#237233)
  • are a very good band. I see no reason to doubt this man's story. It doesn't lessen my admiration for Morrissey one jot. It'll all be the same in a hundred years...
    Anonymous -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @03:06AM (#237237)
  • There is always two sides to every story...
    This guy has obviously had his pride knocked and feels the needs to lash out. What exactly did he expect? A jolly get-together with the man himself ?

    Anyway, surely we're not here to judge Moz's character, as we don't know him as a person. We do know him as an artist however, and this we can judge. Maybe this guy from the Dears should learn how to give artistic credit where credit is due, rather than throw his toys out of the cot for not being given
    'respect, man'.

    Lola runs -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @03:29AM (#237239)
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  • The Boyfriends (Score:1, Insightful)

    Their recent article made it quite clear how support bands are treated on Morrissey's tour. They were told point blank they were not to intrude into Morrissey's soundchecks. They hardly saw the man and had no contact with him other than a wave and a letter at the end.

    The Boyfriends chose not to take this personally and to interpret it as just the way Morrissey works. They didn't take offence and because of that it sounds like they made the most of the experience.

    This guy obviously took the opposite attitude. He feels Morrissey should behave differently to his support acts and be more friendly. That's really up to him and it doesn't reflect on Morrissey imo. It's just a different way of operating.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @03:46AM (#237242)
  • A good friend of mine is currently on tour with Moz and I have been told several wonderful stories about how well he treats those who work with him. He is welcoming and charming to all his support acts so frankly, this account by some guy in a nobody band is utter nonsense.

    The 'people' (usually referring to record company or management execs) surrounding artists will often speak on their behalf and get it wrong. It wouldn't surprise me if some overzealous idiot from Sanctuary told the band not to look at him or some such thing without his knowledge. Artists are often over protected by their handlers to the extreme. This person is an idiot if he really thinks Moz would treat those on tour with him poorly. I know for a fact that the contrary is true.

    L
    Anonymous -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @05:06AM (#237261)
  • I never heard about any friction with Morrissey's support bands pre-'95 (then again, the 'net wasn't around), and only a few things in recent tours.

    Could it be that after the Bowie debacle (the only time Morrissey-solo has ever been support band on a bill I believe?) he wanted to keep it as business-like as possible with opening bands?

    The no eye-contact/don't-be-in-the-same-area stipulations are a bit extreme, but you can imagine the possible scenario: bands gushing and saying "thank you" a million times and wanting to ask Smiths questions and all sorts of nonsense, and if they're multi-date support it'd only get worse. Maybe some bands wouldn't be like this, but why take the chance when he's gotta get psyched up each night.

    Basically, you (supporting band) have been given the honour of opening for Moz -- do your job and leave it at that, because it may never get that good again! If I was opening for him the Last thing I'd worry about is socialising with him backstage!

    king leer -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @05:48AM (#237273)
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  • Well he never had any problem mixing with Franz, Damien Dempsey, The Thrills, Pony Club, Sack, Catherine on this latest tour.

    Maybe Patrick he just doesn't like you! It's allowed.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @07:28AM (#237297)
  • Sometimes it is better to not meet the people you admire. I'm referring to a backstage meeting with the Dears (except the vocalist) after a gig in Norway. I was blown away by their music and was excited to meet them backstage, but it was a quite sad axperince..I don't know how old these guys are, but they were trying to pull off some sort of jack-ass stunt by drinking tequila by sniffing the salt and dripping lemon into their eyes while they were laughing and cracking up. The only ones who seemed impressed were the 18 year old groupies. Maybe this is what they were doing when the Mozfather told them to go home and get some sleep? I don't know who is the saddest..
    Anonymous -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @08:39AM (#237313)
  • And this is one of them. It's all rubbish.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @10:58AM (#237324)
  • it's fairly obvious that anyone as succesful as morrissey has to be a bit weird, if he was just a good lad, he'd be working at asda or for vauxhall, have 3 kids and drink boddingtons at the weekend, thats what makes him the iconic figure he is, and thats why we all love him, just play hatfull of hollow now on your cd and enjoy.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @11:02AM (#237326)
  • Such a bunch of flap ear'd fools!

    I love the Dears, I really do, but this person (and indeed many here) don't seem to realize that Morrissey is as he is because he is expected to be - he's made a career out of being a bitch! I mean hell, if he wasn't such a bitch, we'd wonder what was wrong!

    Indeed, as an individual he may or may not be awful. But seriously, at the end of the day, who really cares? His image as an untouchable, loveless rockstar has made him a millionaire, so why wouldn't he continue to do snobbish, queenish things if it helps to get people saying: "Oh that's Morrissey (chuckle, chuckle...) what are ya gonna do?", as we've just done?!
    Sullen -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @11:12AM (#237328)
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  • Morrissey, you have changed...but not for the better. You have gone all rock star, too good to reply to letters. We are moving on.

    broken
    Anonymous -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @11:23AM (#237334)
  • I went to Dears show when they came to Salt Lake a few years a go. They were the opening band and no one knew who they were, save me.

    I went over and talked with Murray (lead singer) for a few minutes and of course I asked him about opening for Morrissey (if it had not been for this I would have never paid any attention to the Dears.) Long story short-er Murray said that Morrissey was gracious and he had a good time opening for him. Just my two cents worth!
    blister92 -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @11:37AM (#237338)
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    "Evil People Prosper Over the Likes of You and Me Always"
  • Doubtful... (Score:2, Interesting)

    I really doubt they were told not to look him in the eyes! That's weird even for Morrissey!

    When I met two of the boys from Elefant (at Coachella, after they had played for Moz in 2004 in LA) I asked what it was like to play for Morrissey. They said he seemed nice enough, but they never actually spoke to him in person. When they would be playing their set, he'd often watch them from the side of the stage and give them a thumbsup or something (so they said). I did (and still do) find it a little weird that he never met them ever, but I guess he's not looking for any more friends!
    ProtestSinger -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @11:41AM (#237340)
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    .*.* I can smile about it now but at the time it was terrible *.*.
  • This reminds me of an article I recently read about Iggy Pop. I guess some of his "performance demands" are having bouncers and security look at him with smiles when he's on and around the stage. He also asks or demands for them to say "I love you" to him or voice these words when face to face. Personally, that makes me laugh and cry at the same time. How strange and sick can you be with no clue how fucked up you are? I guess it only gets worse as you get bigger and more famous. However, with Morrissey, I forgive him for these bizarre customs. Why? If you don't know that you haven't really listened to much MOZ have you. He's mental, but he's aware of it. Or is he?! I love the Dears!
    organicsamurai <[email protected]> -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @12:24PM (#237348)
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    . . .and if I ever wanted to cry, then I will because I can.
  • Can anyone tell me who the dears are anyway? I have never even heard of them. I am sure they say nothing to me about my life.Bunch of w*****s.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @01:46PM (#237356)
  • well, its good for me to knowing this The Dearsy guitarist really bored about Morrissey, its better then he fake it out like a totally stupid poseur. about can't seeing the eyes thing or don't be too freindly or etc, etc , just be cool mate, please dont put your misery on your band unsuccessfulness media zoo with this lame and dull agony. work hard, play hard, that's the key with Morrissey famous days
    Peter Marr -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @02:52PM (#237370)
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  • but morrissey has all the right to act that way, he is god, and the other guys are a bunch of no bodies

    jaja, stupid resentful little bitches
    Anonymous -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @03:07PM (#237373)
  • What's really fascinating is watching Morrissey cutlists demand that this is all a lie, or even outright qualifying it. It's erily reminscent of a religious right debate.

    If it was anyone else, they would be calling for the person's execution.

    Morrissey is a jerk. Sorry. Self-centered people usually are jerks, and Morrissey has made no attempt to hide that point. Even his own friends admitted that he loves to sit around and destroy others for sport.

    He doesn't like to pay the people he works with, and there are more than enough stories about the way he that treats people. But of course, that's all because they're jealous, right?

    Everyone else is the problem. Morrissey's just trying to make a living.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @04:15PM (#237389)
    • Re:What's new? by Anonymous (Score:0) Tuesday October 17 2006, @07:48PM
      • Re:What's new? by Anonymous (Score:0) Wednesday October 18 2006, @02:35PM
  • Morrissey is an asshole and this just further proves it. I remember reading a story a while back on here about Morrissey being enthralled by The Dears music and rushing out to buy up their entire back catalogue. To think he'd treat the band in such a manner is appalling!

    Perhaps after seeing The Dears perform that night Morrissey realized just how shitty his band actually is and he was jealous? Perhaps Morrissey realized his own lyrical talent has hit the bottom of the barrel after hearing the genius of The Dears so he acted like the spoiled pissy brat that he is?

    "If you don't like me then don't look at me", hmmmm. Why not just fuck off instead, Morrissey!!
    Anonymous -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @07:23PM (#237405)
  • Yawn...who are the Dears again? Oh yeah yesterdays band...like the Cooper Temple Clause, Alfie, Turin Brakes, British Sea Power, blah blah blah blah and yawn again....

    Enjoy your 15 minutes...or in the Dears case, 5 minutes (max).

    Hasn't anyone ever told you it's not good manners to bite the hand that feeds you?
    MOZ IS GOD -- Tuesday October 17 2006, @07:26PM (#237406)
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  • Even if this is true, it does not bother me at all. I am a huge fan of Morrissey, but how he acts when he is not on stage or not in a recording studio is of no concern to me. I just don't care how my favorite artists, athletes, and actors carry themselves outside of their mediums. The great ones are so often assholes, but I don't think it detracts from their art.
    Dagenham Don -- Wednesday October 18 2006, @04:56AM (#237440)
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  • theyre a great band and ive had the chance to see them live a few times (great live act).

    on one of those occassions, ihad the opportunity to talk with Murray Lightburn, their lead singer, after the performance. it was back in 2003, as news of a new Morrissey album was juste starting to make a lot of noise. knowing he was a big fan of The Smiths and of Morrissey, iasked him what he thought of the it. he replied sayin something to the effect that he hoped it would be a lot better than the last album (ithink he juste said "the last album" to which ithen asked "you didnt like Maladjusted?" and he said "no"). it was a little wierd- he came off sounding less like a fan and more like a critic, though he had juste finished performing and perhaps he was tired, blah, blah, blah. still, at that time everyone who considered themselves a Moz fan was really juste over the moon at the news of a long-awaited upcoming album and so the curt response did somewhat throw me.

    ialso saw The Dears open for Morrissey in Toronto in 2004. iseem to remember Murray thanking Morrissey for having them and sayin how he loved him, and fair enough. juste cos you dont like one album doesnt mean you cant be appreciative of the opportunity and it doesnt mean you havto love Morrissey any less. and this was one of the first shows (if not the first show) that the Dears had played with Moz, so if they taste for it ended up souring im sure that happened later.

    in case some of havnt noticed, The Dears' new video has a Moz reference in it at the end. icant help but think its a little bit ofa pot shot at him, especially given these recent comments. it starts at about the about the 3min mark:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShCwx7pwagc
    chrisarclark <[email protected]> -- Wednesday October 18 2006, @07:42AM (#237451)
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  • Both Radio 1 and XFM are broadcasting live performances by The Dears today starting at 7PM UK time.

    You can hear them here:

    www.bbc.co.uk/radio1 and www.xfm.co.uk

    Happy listening,

    The Dears
    x
    Anonymous -- Wednesday October 18 2006, @07:59AM (#237453)
  • As a long time Smiths/Morrissey fan, I actually believe this! I remember back on U2's Zoo TV tour I read an artical about how all of the stage crew, guitar techs, etc had to do the same thing when the band were around. I find it very disrespectful because they are the ones working with them. Its a tour...I shake my head!
    Anonymous -- Wednesday October 18 2006, @09:39AM (#237468)
  • I don't think that The Dears would be that stupid. First of all to be honored enough such a once in a lifetime opportunity, then belittle themselves like that....don't think so. I'm sure they are in awe to have such an honor to open for Morrissey.
    And who are The Dears by the way??? Never heard of them.
    jgato -- Wednesday October 18 2006, @09:49AM (#237470)
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  • I don't think that The Dears would be that stupid to have been so honored in such a once in a lifetime opportunity, then belittle themselves like that. Due attention would have been in awe for such a meraculous priveledge with Morrissey.
    And who are The Dears by the way? Never heard of them.
    jgato -- Wednesday October 18 2006, @09:56AM (#237473)
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  • Who the fuck are the dears? And i mean that sincerely as i haven't got a danny!
    Anonymous -- Wednesday October 18 2006, @11:14AM (#237485)
  • cliches....
    All these losers on here saying Morrissey is supposed to be GODlike and that his fans are not worthy goes against everything he railed at against in the 80s.
    See money does change you...
    Honestly I dont know if the anythign that's said about him is true but reading some of the comments on here are sad.
    Morrissey is an imperfect human being who happens to write music that I love that a few others too.
    Anonymous -- Wednesday October 18 2006, @11:42AM (#237489)
  • Hmmm... explain me something, please. The Dear's guitar player said he don't like Morrissey at all and he's very nasty, etc. etc. And then he's telling that "sometimes is better not to know people you admire"... My lad, you're a little bit confused, you know?

    Yes, everybody have defects but... you can't say you're not fan of Morrissey and then write to this personal fansite, Please! it's terribly logic! Oh well they'll never learn.

    by the way... who the hell are The Dear???
    Amber Boy -- Wednesday October 18 2006, @06:09PM (#237546)
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  • who the fuck are the dears?
    Anonymous -- Wednesday October 18 2006, @10:13PM (#237562)
  • This is a marketing ploy by the Dears. They used Moz to get on the musical laddder and now what to distance themselves from him so they can enter the mainstream. I have saw this happen time and time again with up and coming bands regarding Moz.
    The Dears will now be welcomed with open arms in the media and will probably sell lots off records.
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 19 2006, @03:27AM (#237576)
  • I refuse to believe that crap.Surely this is not the person who reaches out to shake hands with his audience.I`ve heard stories about how cool Morrissey is with his fans.I just won`t believe that about him.
    tibby -- Thursday October 19 2006, @09:14AM (#237597)
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    ~I am a poor freezingly cold soul so far from where I intended to go ~I love Morrissey
  • So only Morrissey has a right to slag off other artists... FUCK NO
    He does it all the time.....
    He's just a bitchy queen....
    he should stop selling records and be more in touch with his working class roots again
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 19 2006, @09:26AM (#237598)
  • A song that Morrissey himself would release.

    "Being told to not look directly at him made me sick!"
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 19 2006, @11:02AM (#237608)
  • i know another band....from chicago that opened for him for a stretch. that kind of stuff is all true. im not saying moz is right or wrong by doing it but it is absolutely true
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 19 2006, @02:24PM (#237623)
  • ashes that talks
    Anonymous -- Friday October 20 2006, @11:27AM (#237673)
  • I would never look a man of Morrissey's stature directly in the eye, as I am not worthy.

    Although I am a gay man of 49 who - some people tell me - looks a little like Morrissey in his prime, I would always pay the greatest of respect to Morrissey.

    I See You (freeyourself, Lord of this realm)

    aka Paul

    PS I see you all. I am here, just waiting.
    Anonymous -- Friday October 20 2006, @03:05PM (#237733)
  • http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds38570.html
    Anonymous -- Tuesday October 24 2006, @10:24AM (#238178)
  • i like the dears, and yet Morrissey is my only way to live, a god-like to me.
    i would drop dead if i ever stare him in the eye.
    so i wouldn't wonder if he have more bodyguard thazn jesus.

    and i think Patrick Krief say some fair word. because moz are created to be hated for anybody who don't like him too much. or don't know him either.
    but for us moz lovers, all thing that moz did was amazing in anyway.

    MozPhig -- Tuesday October 31 2006, @07:27PM (#238679)
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