posted by davidt on Friday January 13 2006, @11:00AM
Martin Söderström writes:
Impressions of Ringleader of the Tormentors after the listening party in Stockholm, January 12th 2006.

Sorry about all the grammatical errors and all that stuff, but I’m on a real buzz right now and English isn’t my first language anyway so.... But I thought that this could be interesting for quite a few people out there.

So. Finally. The Big Day came. After a sleepless night 15-odd of us (journalists, pop stars and well known die hard fans of the Moz) finally got to sit in the office of SonyBMG Sweden for a listening session of Ringleader.

After a few words from the man from Sanctuary UK about how Sweden is one of Morrissey's best countries they actually put the record into the stereo. Here is my track by track thoughts of it:
01. I Will See You In Far-Off Places.

Middle-eastern strings – and metal! Wtf is this really Morrissey?!?!

Think America is not the world meets a really pissed of System of a Down in a crowdy market in Beirut. Sort of.

The track is rock hard – but with a really passionate vocal from Morrissey.

“The heart knows why I grieve, and yes – one day I will close my eyes forever”.

He slags off the US involvement in the Middle East really heavy and it’s easy to see this as a relly pissed of sister song to America from Quarry. With the Marshall amps turned up to 11.

Without a doubt the hardest and heaviest track The Moz has ever released.

02. Dear God Please Help Me

His singing is fantastic on this one! It starts off really smoothly with just an organ and an acoustic guitar. The Moz croons “and I’m so very tired of doing the right thing”.

And lyric wise.... God Damn – Mozzer got laid!!

“then he notions to me with his hand on my knee – Dear God, did this kind of thing ever happen to you?”

Later on he sings about how he spreads this guy’s legs and lies with his own right in between. Morrissey finally pulled!!

A really atmospheric track with beautiful strings and the line that really blew me away was “There are explosive kegs between my legs – Dear God please help me!”.

03. You Have Killed Me

The first uptempo track.

A straight on, poppy track with a chorus that just steams of hit potential! An obvious choice for a first single.

“As i live and breathe – You have killed me”

Opens with the line: “Passolini is me” wich he later in the song changes to “Visconti is me”. Strange but quite funny.

He ends it with a crooning “There is no point in saying this again – but I forgive you, I forgive you”.

04. The Youngest Was The Most Loved

The uptempo continues. Could very well be a future single – the chorus once again is really straight to the point, no fuss pop.

In the chorus Moz sings something like “There is no such thing in life as ‘normal’” backed by a chilrens choir. He yoddels quite a bit towards the end kind of in the same way as in the end of Rubber Ring. The track closes abruptly with some distorted strings.

05. In The Future When All’s Well

Starts with a western-movie sort of guitar riff. A midtempo track and Morrissey sings “Living longer than I intended – something must have gone right”.

A nice piano in the background and beautiful “aaaaaah”-backing vocals from the band. A straight on pop track with quite a bit of rock nerve to it. Jesse Tobias even pulls of a distorted guitar solo with lots of feedback towards the end!

06. The Father Who Must Be Killed

Starts with a drum intro. Visconti has added almost a gravelike echo effect to Mozzer's voice. Feels a bit like a b-side, actually. Quite riff heavy towards the chorus and the lyrics are relly straight on and seem a bit... forced and sometimes quite silly. Melody wise the track never really happens and it ends with the drummer having quite a go at the old gong. The low point of the album in my opinion.

07. Life Is A Pigsty

The masterpiece!!!

Starts off with a real heavy rain effect and thunder in the background. Really dramatic. Gets a bit uptempo towards the chorus and Morrissey sings at one point “It’s the same old SOS but with brand new broken fortunes”.

The songs has a kind of acoustic refrain in the same vein as “The edges are no longer parallel” but with quite heavy drums and rain.

The Moz singing on this is... astonishing. He croons, the falsetto is just perfect and the track really sent chills down my spine.

“Every second of my life I live only for you”, he croons and it’s hard to keep the tears away.

A very dramatic and typical Visconti production and maybe a career best from Morrissey.

Think big. Think Widescreen. Think drama.

A brave, brave track in all it’s seven and a half minutes majesty.

08. I’ll Never Be Anybody’s Hero Now

A midtempo track kind of in the same vein as Crashing Bores sounded on the 2002 tour (before the studio version went all ballady).

“I’ll never be anybody’s hero now, they who should love me walk right through me”.

The singing is marvellous on this one! A bit of falsetto, a bit of Sinatra croon. Morrissey does his best singing ever on this album actually!

“I am a ghost / And as far as I know / I haven’t even died” is a stand out lyric line.

The chorus is a killer – I was just beaming in my seat because it's so darn good!

“I’ll never be anybody’s hero now – it only hurts because it’s true”.

09. On The Streets I Ran

Starts off quite fumbling but finds it’s way into a nice poppy verse. A fantastic track – quite possibly a single in my book!

Straight on, lightly distorted rock/pop kind of in the same vein as Reader Meet Author. Morrissey sings about how he “turned sickness into popular song” only to change his mind in the last verse where he “turned sickness into unpopular song”. Haha!

The lyrics are amazingly funny. He has a go at the people of Pittsburgh and sings at some stage “if you don’t leave you will kill / or be killed – which isn’t very nice”.

“Take anyone – take the people of Pittsburgh, PA – just spare me”.

10. To Me You Are A Work Of Art

A good midtempo track. Sound a bit Oasis actually. The vocal melody seemed kind of tricky at first but his singing here is just fantastic! Nice strings and a really catchy chorus.

“To me you are a work of art / And I’d give you my heart / That’s if I had one”. Could very well work as a single.

11. I Just Want To See The Boy Happy

“Let’s face it – soon I will be dead” sings Morrissey on this really great pop tune. Sounds very much early seventies Bowie meets Oasis “Some Might Say”. Has “single” stamped all over it’s forehead. A great song!

12. At Last I Am Born

Oh dear, the drama isn’t quite over yet. A string heavy, Morricone sounding weird track with some marching band kind of drumming in it. Very peculiar indeed. Has quite a bit of talked lyrics and feels a bit too much like a piece of radio theatre for my taste. Think “Sorrow will come in the end” meets “You know I couldn’t last”. The children are back, singing in the background and Moz croons “I was once a mess because of guilt of the flesh”.

Although we only got to hear it once (and the single twice) it made me feel rally good. Make no mistake about it though: this IS a difficult album and I’m quite sure it will divide the fanbase quite a bit.

As after Vauxhall – a very likeable and popular album – he followed up with the too strange for some people Southpaw Grammar.

I feel as if he’s doing quite the same thing again – following up Quarry with a strange, big, dramatic and often quite strangley sounding Ringleader. It has it’s obvious singles, but it’s a daring, risk taking epic sounding sort of record and I’m sure he will recive quite a lot of flak for it. And quite possibly lose quite a few of the festival going, First of the gang to die-liking younger audience that he gained with Quarry. For this is a dark, dramatic and quite difficult record to get ones head around. It feels very much as a grower, actually. It will take quite a few listens before it “sits” in once heart and mind.

We never got any info on which track was written by whom (and we had to leave the printed out lyric sheets in the room as we left) but I’d say that Jesse Tobias's songwriting isn’t that different from say Alain Whyte's. Maybe it’s a bit poopier (but at the same time a bit harder) but the songs still very much feel as Morrissey songs. So no dramatic departure there.

The guy from Sanctuary also said that a video for “Killed” is being shot in Rome right about now and that the tour dates are being worked on as of now. He couldn’t confirm anything though.

He also said that they have b-side to at least three singles, and it hasn’t really been decided which songs are to be released as singles, but he thought that The Youngest Was The Most Loved and In The Future When All’s Well were good candidates to be picked as singles. “But then again, you never really know with Morrissey”, he smiled.

Too right.

/ Martin Söderström, Stockholm, Sweden.
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  • "I’d say that Jesse Tobias's songwriting isn’t that different from say Alain Whyte's. Maybe it’s a bit poopier"
    suzanne -- Friday January 13 2006, @11:08AM (#191931)
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  • however, seemed a bit odd.
    you seemed to rate a lot of the tracks really highly and then at the end you were expressing serious doubt!
    'he's gonna lose half his fans, it's a really difficult album' etc...
    J
    Anonymous -- Friday January 13 2006, @11:17AM (#191935)
  • I'm excited about this. Not all of us gave Southpaw trouble. I always grab Southpaw and throw it on whenever I walk by my CD collection. I LOVE "The Operation" too ! Crazayh !

    I think it was just too much musical experiment and not enough voice for some. Perhaps a little lacking in lyrics, but a good time nonetheless.

    I'm glad he takes chances. I wasn't big into the Quarry because it was so incredibly safe in every way, even when it pretended not to be. I'm not saying I don't like it. A safe Morrissey album is better than most. I guess that's just what he needed at the time. I'm happy to get the Artist back though. Good Art should be risky and will always divide the public opinion.

    Man of Vision
    Anonymous -- Friday January 13 2006, @11:35AM (#191941)
  • Think I'll just skip over track 2. Too much information Morrissey. But the other songs sound fantastic!! Can't wait.
    Anonymous -- Friday January 13 2006, @11:47AM (#191943)
  • Haha...he said "poopier."

    Seriously, thanks for the insightful comments!!
    Astroman -- Friday January 13 2006, @11:57AM (#191946)
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    • Re:Typo... by Keely (Score:1) Friday January 13 2006, @12:13PM
  • SUCH an improvement over YATQ from these snippets.

    I love the idea of experimentation.

    Everything bodes wonderfully.
    Anonymous -- Friday January 13 2006, @11:59AM (#191950)
  • Reading these impressions is like reading about a flavour of cheese you've never tasted, but get horribly eager to gobble at the first chance you get. Thanks! I think I'll wind up in the first row of every show after this one.
    Anonymous -- Friday January 13 2006, @12:09PM (#191953)
  • It's nice reading such an in-depth review from an obvious fan, the ones that have been submitted up until this point left too much to the imagination for my liking, information about the lyrical content is always very much appreciated too, thank you. Plus you said called Jesse Tobias a big ol' poopy head (or near enough), which made me laugh & feel less guilty about procrastinating.

    I'm frightened of the children's choir, mainly as children singing to me sounds like a flock of seagulls, and not in the bighairpopstars way.
    Keely -- Friday January 13 2006, @12:16PM (#191955)
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  • Thanks for sharing all this , Martin. Were you taking notes during the playing?
    Anonymous -- Friday January 13 2006, @12:26PM (#191959)
    • Re:Perfect by Martin (Score:1) Friday January 13 2006, @01:31PM
      • Re:Perfect by jimstark (Score:1) Saturday January 14 2006, @02:23AM
  • Thanks for the detailed review Martin -- this is exciting stuff! You are very lucky to be one of only 15 people listening to it. What were the reactions from your fellow listeners?
    mrRoboto -- Friday January 13 2006, @12:34PM (#191961)
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  • First off, thank you for a wonderful review...it's a very generous and thoughtful thing you've done to post this for the fans.

    On Life is a Pigsty, we're reading that Morrissey's vocal performance is perhaps the best of his career...could you elaborate a bit more on your review of this song, please? For example, on Come Back to Camden played at high volume, his voice has never sounded more crip and full and skilled...are the traits similar on 'Pigsty?

    Which of the songs, now obviously locked in the vault of your memory bank, would you go to right now if you could only play one track for someone else?

    Compare the first time you heard the entire You Are the Quarry to your first listen to this new album.

    I thought "then you lounged with knees up and apart..." was a pretty obvious declaration, with a little ambiguity as he doesn't say, "then he lounged" or "then she lounged..." Are you saying that on this new track there is no more ambiguity, and he is actually specifically saying "He" or "Him" or "His" in reference to some physicality? If so, I have to say I'm a little worried that my fear of Morrissey growing old the same way Oscar Wilde did seems to be coming true. It's actually a bit disappointing because the mystery of his private life added to the universal appeal of his lyrics, for me. I have no experience with "I laid behind him with my legs in between his..." But I do have experience with "I laid behind you with my legs in between yours..." It never used to be important to clarify in the past...in fact, he built his art on not clarifying. It's from this vantage point where I can see how this could start to contribute to "difficult" acceptance of this record. In the past, Morrissey was subtle about geo-politics, now he's actually pointing out specific world events, i.e., war in the Middle East, America not being the world, etc. While using an indirect path to make your statements, you don't time-stamp yourself to an era. Just look at "Ask"..."If it's not love, then it's the bomb that will bring us together..." That was true in 1986, 1886, and will be true in 2086. "America Brought You the Hamburger" and "If the USA doesn't Bomb You" will not do very well when put in the cd player in 2020. It will remind most of his fans of the time "way back when" when it became popular and modern for rock stars to spout their hatred for leaders who admitted to their belief in Jesus. (Sidenote: In 2020, most of the people who, on this site participate in Christianity bashing, will themselves be church-goers who have strong beliefs that they will defend. Then, don't be surprised when the Oscar Wilde comparison plays out with Morrissey embracing The Church later in life...)

    On sexuality..."Stretch Out and Wait" has an incredibly diminished effect on the legions of heterosexual fans of Mozzer's had he blatantly stated in the song he was bedding a man/boy. He probably wrote the song with a man/boy in mind...the overwhelming majority of Morrissey's fans cannot believe he is anything other than gay--that's not the point I'm trying to make, though. His fans (me included) don't care, because, c'mon...grow up and worry about something else already! What I'm concerned about, given a few reviews that I've read, is some of the things that added to Morrissey's appeal, and therefore added to his unbelievable talent, are being abandoned. Listening to this brand of Morrissey will be more about admiring his talent and word play while he sings about himself-- versus what listening has been in the past: admiring his talent and word play while he sings about...me/us.

    We shall see, we shall see...

    Thanks again, Martin...

    dewdrop -- Friday January 13 2006, @12:37PM (#191962)
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    • Re:Question(s) for Martin: by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday January 13 2006, @12:42PM
    • Re:Question(s) for Martin: by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday January 13 2006, @12:48PM
    • Re:Question(s) for Martin: by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday January 13 2006, @01:04PM
    • Re:the less ambiguous Morrissey by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday January 13 2006, @01:14PM
    • Re:Question(s) for Martin: by dazzak (Score:1) Friday January 13 2006, @04:01PM
      • Re:Question(s) for Martin: by Anonymous (Score:1) Friday January 13 2006, @04:34PM
      • You do a horrible job of hiding your incompetence...

        My comments and thoughts have nothing to do with gay or straight or anyone's preference.

        Instead, they have everything to do with my personal observation that in 2006, there is nothing suggestive or subtle anywhere in art or pop culture. A movie can't be popular without loads of violence, skin, and explosions. Music can't be sold unless it's "provocative". It's nothing but noise surrounding the shitty output by horrible acts that is considered good in 2006. If you don't blast from the microphone that you're gay and against war, then you just aren't playing by the rules of decent popstar behavior. It's shameful that someone like you, who probably considers yourself a Morrissey fan, has fallen under the spell of this modern phenomenon.

        For anyone to read what I wrote and come up with your conclusion can not have been listening to Morrissey and The Smiths for a long time. That's fine, we're not getting into the whole "I've been listening for 18 years so I'm better" crap...

        I'm just saying my preference for poetry and art and music and entertainment is for the witty and subtle approach--bordering on the heavily emotional and introspective side of revelation...instead of the "HEY I'M GAY! WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?!! IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, THEN YOU'RE HOMOPHOBIC!!! I'LL DO WHAT I WANT!!! SHOW ME WHERE IT'S WRITTEN THAT THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT!!!! IT'S YOUR JUDGMENTAL NATURE THAT IS WRONG!!!! I HAVE FEELINGS TOO!!!! FUCK YOU AND ALL OF YOUR DAMN RIGHT-WING ASSHOLE GEORGE BUSH LOVING FRIENDS!!! EVERYONE KNOWS YOU ARE ALL JUST REALLY CLOSET GAYS!!!! YOU SHOULD TRY IT SOMETIME!!!! YOU BITCH!!!"

        I am hopeful that Morrissey has not strayed from his greatness and look forward to further analysis...and further spankings from you...

        "HEY! YOU SAID....! HEY! I KNEW IT!!!!! HE IS!!!!! I KNEW IT!!!!!!"

        Moron.
        dewdrop -- Friday January 13 2006, @06:06PM (#192085)
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    • I love Morrissey's political songs by Rainydy (Score:1) Friday January 13 2006, @09:13PM
    • Answers (?) from Martin: by Martin (Score:1) Saturday January 14 2006, @01:01AM
  • why if the album is ready they don´t give it to us now??i´m dying!i need it!and another thing....what will the sleeve be like?
    Anonymous -- Friday January 13 2006, @12:57PM (#191969)
  • As a Pittsburgher, I don't know whether to despair over the improbability of his ever playing here again or to just be glad he thought of us at all.

    Just to review: he played here during the TQID tour, but cancelled the last 2 shows.

    Don't get me wrong-- he will always be welcomed here.
    Anonymous -- Friday January 13 2006, @01:09PM (#191971)
  • Though I was sceptical after seeing those unweildy song titles, I have to say that I think this looks amazing. Comparable to Southpaw, yes, but the problem with Southpaw was that it didn't have any songs. If this person is to be believed, "ROTT" has songs in spades.
    Diasco -- Friday January 13 2006, @01:10PM (#191972)
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    • Re:Wow. by Diasco (Score:1) Friday January 13 2006, @02:47PM
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  • The phrase "coming-out song" is being used now. Some say that Handsome Devil was just this.

    Well, I've been thinking about Handsome Devil as I've been noticing women reffered too as handsome more often in books I've been reading lately. I asked myself if any of the lyrics in this song are specifically gay, even though this song is widely recognized as a possible early coming out song of sorts...

    He may be telling a young girl that "a boy in the bush is worth 2 in the hand..." All that's implied is that he's saying it to someone. Especially the "Let me get my hands on your Mammory glands"... Isn't that mainly a reference for a womans breasts ? And does Conjugal bed mean marriage ? Was Gay marriage legal or really talked about in 1983 ? Maybe. I'm from Canada. I'm not too ed-ja-ma-cated... Just thinking about it as I await the new album.

    Go ahead and prove me right or wrong or fight me strong. I await your blistering attacks with great anticipation !!

    Man of Vision
    Anonymous -- Friday January 13 2006, @02:24PM (#191989)
  • Excellent news. I'd love an album as surprising as Southpaw--a totally underrated record. I remember loving the fact that Morrissey took a chance with that record. YATQ was very good, but nice to know we're not getting YATQ 2.
    Anonymous -- Friday January 13 2006, @02:26PM (#191990)
  • Fuss, fuss, fuss. Why are we so obsessed about gender and the pronoun game when it comes to Moz's lyrics. For those out there with very sensitive stomachs, he may be making all the "he lay against me, grinding away" stuff up, it may be a figment me his fevered imagination but, let's face it, since we've always known that M has been a little bit crumpet buttered on both sides in the sexuality department ever since we've known him, why are we so bothered about him declaring some of that?

    One song about loving the guys does not make him gay after all. He obviously has a great respect for women as shown by his deep rooted, strong relationship with his mother and his love of feminist literature in his youth.

    If we are worried that declaring sexual attraction for men will ruin his career then we are way too late. He declared such leanings in the dawning days of the Smiths quite clearly for anyone who was listening. And to some extent this is the natural position of the artistic temperament, if you can lay in the bath for hours composing lyrics you have the nouse to wonder what it would be like to sleep with someone of the same sex and wonder if you would enjoy it. Is it just that we are little prudish? sceptical or squeamish about some one we respect talking about sex. I was talking to my fellow Mozza fan at work the other day and he declared that asking Morrissey about his sex life was tantamount to knowing what your parents got up to in bed or, worst, asking God. While I don't think M is deity material, people's affections are fickle and, personally, as a female fan, this song which everyone is agonising over doesn't make me lust after him or love him any the less, quite the opposite because he isn't saying, "look guys, I'm gay, you girls don't have a chance." There's still room for him in my imagination. He is simply saying, look guys, I'm sexual.

    And, finally, let's face it, this guy has more ******* credibility and talent than George Michael had or ever has had so let's keep those comparisons realistic much as I appreciate GM's limited musical contribution.

    I'm just frankly pleased that there is something earthy in the album, something more than ambiguous ethereal, skirting around the issue talk, because I do want to know what he really feels.

    Colette -- Friday January 13 2006, @02:44PM (#191992)
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  • But, very presumably, just your leg.

    (That said, sexual intercourse with God must be quite something. That must be worth writing, something like, I dunno, a really long journal entry. And I was thinking just the other day, "it's such a shame that Morrissey doesn't have a journal on Msolow"...)

    Anyway; yes: Morrissey: one point/ Sweden: must try harder, but don't give up.

    Your friend,

    Peter Hooker (biggest Morrissey fan in Malmö).
    Anonymous -- Friday January 13 2006, @03:34PM (#192008)
  • Who among us all did not know that Morrissey was gay? Morrissey may have not said it publicly, but there was never any doubt that he was gay. I personally could care less. I'm more concerned that the album is good!

    I found the review kind of odd. He raves about the album then goes on to say that Morrissey fans are going to be divided. Need to read more reviews.
    RABMOZZER -- Friday January 13 2006, @03:43PM (#192010)
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  • if this is the acurate lyric from the second song, it's the closest he's ever going to come to discussing his sexuality.

    “then he notions to me with his hand on my knee – Dear God, did this kind of thing ever happen to you?”
    eugenius -- Friday January 13 2006, @05:12PM (#192062)
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    I'm almost sure you can do better than that.
  • what's with that pittsburgh lyric, moz?
    you canceled on them the last two times
    you were supposed to play there but it wasn't
    because of the people of pittsburgh. they never
    did anything to hurt you. in fact i'm sure they would
    still like to see you play a show there on your next tour.
    maybe pittsburgh reminds you of manchester but so what?

    hopefully, this review is actually a hoax,
    because it makes the album sound really lame.
    Anonymous -- Friday January 13 2006, @05:23PM (#192067)
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  • Frankly, I am tired of the sexuality issue. It's of absolutely no importance! And if you need a prefix, I am certain that He's bi-sexual. Here is a quote from a letter He wrote to his pen-pal on December 4th 1980:
    "Will you send me some pornography? Do you HAVE a girlfriend? Do you LIKE girls? I have a girlfriend called Annalisa. We're both bisexual. Real hip, huh? I hate sex."
    Yes, dear friends, that is our beloved hero speaking. Could that Annalisa perhaps be the background vocalist on Pretty Girls Make Graves? Hrm...
    Also, Morrissey makes it known in a little ditty he composed titled "I Can Have Both"...we all know what THAT means!
    So PLEASE stop talking about this - we've known the answer for YEARS - it's writ in the songs we love!!

    xoxo
    Anonymous -- Friday January 13 2006, @06:05PM (#192084)
  • Sexuality is of prime importance in understanding a person, especially an artist. Anyone who doesn't think so is a member of the flat earth society. An argument could even be made that a person's sexuality is the prime motivating factor in art in general.

    Whether it be intense sexuality, or a low libido, such variations on sexual identity influence art greatly. So, it's a relevant topic.
    Anonymous -- Friday January 13 2006, @08:37PM (#192102)
    • agreed! by Anonymous (Score:0) Sunday January 15 2006, @11:21AM
  • This album sounds overyped already. It's always best to let the public decide. Disappointment will be rather easy to reach after such reviews from already intense fans.

    Personally, Morrissey is beginning to sound as repetetive, and self-absorbed as ever.

    He once mentioned that the greatest problem with pop stars is that they are obsessed with using "I" in their songs, which makes them sound self-absorbed, and difficult to relate to.

    Apparently Morrissey has been doing just that over the past two albums, which unsurprisingly makes the songs sound whiney, and difficult to relate to. We don't need another song about the court case, or how everyday is difficult for you, or how you beat the odds by remianing alive, or how the world is out to get you, and so on and so on, ad nauseum. It sounds like he's parodying himself.

    The problem with this forum is that there is very little intellectual critique. People are either overtly bitter, or they are childishly defensive of Morrissey. The man who just took a healthy shit on his fanbase in Pittsburgh, as if they were the ones who flaked out on him twice in a row, with no concern shown for making up those dates. In Morrissey's world, this is acceptable, and even empowering. In a mature world, it's just pathetic. Of course, his fans will continue to support him like the sad, co-dependent spouses that many of them are.

    Also, do we need another shitty political rant from a man who knows very little about politics in general? Stick with what you know. This vanity political crooning is just embarassing. Morrrissey has totally lost touch.

    Thankfully The Smiths stayed away from overt politics for the most part. The Queen is Dead was mostly humorous, but Meat Is Murder is one of the worst Smith songs both musically and, most certainly lyrically. It has that cringe-inducing quality that makes you lower the volume immediately.

    Anyway, many of you are setting yourself up for disappointment, or at the very least, delusion.
    Anonymous -- Friday January 13 2006, @09:01PM (#192105)
  • Dear Jim,

    I've been described as "poopier" but it had nothing to do with my guitar playing.

    signed,

    Dave Matthews

    Thanks Martin, you have provided a much more in-depth review than we have read so far. I have to admit, it's getting to me. We are still two months away from the release, and i'm sure all you clones are feeling the buzz as well. Not sure why he would "have a go" at the people of Pittsburgh. I mean, is there some kind of huge slaughterhouse there or something? Might he be confusing them with the people of Philadelphia and their beloved Cheese Steak? Belvedere had no problems living in Pittsburgh did he?

    Jim Rome -- Saturday January 14 2006, @12:56AM (#192123)
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    ...and how?
  • Please make the next one acoustic.
    Anonymous -- Saturday January 14 2006, @01:39AM (#192129)
  • I will definetely stop coming to this site. The people seem to be Morrissey-haters... I bet these people who will find problems in everything he does are very very very sad in their own personal lives.I can't understand how someone can place their grotesque criticism above the thrill of a new Morrisssey Album. I bet they are those ones who go to a Moz concert and remain cross-armed , still and unsinging.
    Abou the sex thing,,, come on STUPID MORONS!!!!! He´s been singing about gayness since his first single with The Smiths. That he is making it more obvious now is very natural. I am happy he is doing that. He deserves to know the flavors of sex and all the good things a relationship can bring to a person.
    relax, have fun...
    When you write offensive things about Morrissey it´s like you know you are ugly to the point of no-one wanting you. The problem is that Morrissey IS not ugly and he can actually be loved.If that does not happen to you, let it happen to other people, even if this person is the one who supported you all the way through your I-am-ugky-Nobody-can-like-me existence. He´s definetely gone over that....

    You should do the same...

    I am gay, happy, good-looking, intelligent, and couldn´t be any happier with this new album.

    And yes!!! I don´t wanna know of this site any longer.It makes me hate you.

     
    Anonymous -- Saturday January 14 2006, @05:02AM (#192139)
  • Just in, Morrissey like penis! Close your eyes and picture him taking it.
    Anonymous -- Saturday January 14 2006, @07:39AM (#192156)
    • Actually... by Anonymous (Score:0) Sunday January 15 2006, @10:23AM
  • Holy smokes, all this fuss over a listening-party review. God, Politics and Sex, all so passionately debated, and almost no one has even heard the album yet!

    That is some powerful art, and one powerful artist.

    Thank goodness you're still around, Moz
    Anaesthesine -- Saturday January 14 2006, @08:21AM (#192160)
    (User #14203 Info)
    If Moz did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.
  • seriously! great review by the writer. it sounds adventurous, lyrically sharp, emotive, sardonic, wittily self-absorbed. all the things we love about the MOZ.

    i am particularly intrigued by all the favorable comments about MOZ's singing on this one too! it sounds like he really pushed it, which is exciting!

    i love the wide expanse of SOUTHPAW. sounds like this is up that alley. YAY!
    Anonymous -- Saturday January 14 2006, @09:07AM (#192163)
  • Some of the comments I`ve been reading here have made me so sick.I can`t believe people can be so ignorant.What`s the big deal if Morrissey is gay.I don`t think it should actually be a surprise if you have been listening to his music at all.No disrespect to David I thought this was a site devoted to Morrissey.I`m not saying your not allowed to have a different opinion or anything.But there have been some ugly,ugly comments written here.Me and my friend were discussing this and what she said was right "love is love" whether you love a man or woman.So just grow up and get over it.
    tibby -- Saturday January 14 2006, @10:39AM (#192169)
    (User #2713 Info)
    ~I am a poor freezingly cold soul so far from where I intended to go ~I love Morrissey
  • for such a detailed insightful look into ROTT
    I can't wait to hear it for myself :)
    Rainydy -- Saturday January 14 2006, @12:06PM (#192175)
    (User #4932 Info)
  • If Morrissey never sang, recorded or toured again, he knows that he has earned hero-worship which will continue as long as his work does the rounds. With empathy, wit and panache, he extends understanding through melody. While not a serial killer (JTR), a ghost (WARAAP), an imprisoned Krays sycophant (LOTFIP), etc, his theatrical knack of stepping into all kinds of other people’s shoes is uncanny. Like many other prominent musicians – REM, U2, Billy Bragg, Bob Dylan, Sting, Black-Eyed Keys, Kenya West: the list is endless – he weaves in critical comments on the times we live in, and probably, personal reflections. Like “I’m so very tired of doing the right thing?” But then again, whose narrative voice is that?

    I’m just back from Manchester where there’s a strong sense of civic pride, in a city renowned for its inventiveness, vision and creative assertiveness. For those worried about tickets, the Lowry booking office confirmed Morrissey’s show but by yesterday weren't yet in a position to open sales. The “Morrissey’s Manchester” book is also available in the shop there. I found out Longsford Park and sang a few lines of EDILS and IBEH to exorcise the cc evil, though the only torture we came across there was the closure of WCs due to vandalisation! We also stumbled upon King’s Road, and, in Salford, clapped eyes on the Lad’s Club, which looks rather deserted, and not near much, but at least the closest pub “The Wellington” – drab but welcoming – had The Smiths playing on the radio. Stephen Fretwell headlined the Ritz, supported by promising “Morning Runner”. There’s a nice buzz in the city and the transport system is very good, especially the metro trams,. We ate very well at veggie-friendly “Velvet” on Canal Street which also seems like the zestful gay quarters. There’s plenty to see and do; art galleries, shops, Old Trafford etc.

    I was impressed by previous visits to Stirling and Edinburgh too: I'm sure all the towns chosen have their own attractions. The trickles of concert date information build suspense; where next?! Ireland please? This generously full preview of ROTT satisfies and tantalizes. I wouldn’t be surprised if the film world come knocking on the door for some of this stirring stuff. So far, and indeed like many previous Smiths/Morrissey compositions, it’s like Joyce gloated about Ulysses: “I’ve put in so many enigmas and puzzles that it will keep the professors busy for centuries over what I meant!”
    goinghome -- Saturday January 14 2006, @01:22PM (#192192)
    (User #12673 Info)
  • sex song. The parents of an Italian school choir have voiced their anger at having their children 'duped' into providing backing vocals on a song which celebrates gay sex".

    This is a made-up tabloid report headline but is it really so unrealistic? Has Moz overstepped the mark? According to this month's Mojo, Morricone did not understand the lyrical implications of the song 'Dear God, please help me' as he is a non-english speaker. Visconti explained that Morricone had misjudged the mood of the song through not understanding the explicit lyrics and Visconti had to embellish Morricone's work to make it suitable to the lyrical tone.

    Is it not pretty obvious that the Italian school children's choir would also therefore not have understood what they were contributing to?

    Of course the issue should not be that it is about gay sex but that it is an explicitly sexual song that children singing in another language would not have understood. Have they been exploited? Has Moz overstepped the line this time?

    Let's all have a heated debate!
    Anonymous -- Saturday January 14 2006, @05:31PM (#192226)
  • Martin, did you hear the rough demo music for "On The Streets I Ran" that someone posted on the main message board?

    If you did, what's your take on how different it was to the final track?

    If you didn't, I can email it to you.

    Cheers
    king leer -- Sunday January 15 2006, @05:31AM (#192253)
    (User #80 Info)
  • I really don't think it's possible to properly evaluate an album after one or two listens unless it's diabolical/pretentious twaddle/by John Squire/all of the above. The good thing is - by the sounds of it - there's some experimentation on this album with the heavier opening track, I am born again, and pigsty. I personally am very excited by the idea of Morrissey experimenting around his pop/rock sound because most of his more of-the-wall songs are among my favourites. He's at his best when he's at his boldest, as someone once said!

    If there are a few "Teachers" "Maudlins" or "Maladjusteds" on this record, in among the gentler and poppier stuff, I will be very happy indeed!

    For the record, I don't think Southpaw Grammar is a bad record - it's actually quite exciting and interesting in places; the main problem with SG was the simple fact it only had 8 songs - meaning the filler really made a difference. Most albums have 3 or 4 songs you aren't going to love, or possibly even like - so when it's only 8 songs long, it makes the remaining 4 or 5 songs seem insubstantial.

    These are exciting times to be a Morrissey fan.

    broken
    Anonymous -- Sunday January 15 2006, @10:51AM (#192272)
  • There’s a famous Passolini who makes adult movies, but my money is on Pier P. Pasolini, film maker, poet and author who suffered inordinately for his art. Anybody know? There’s a bio I found at http://www.1worldfilms.com/bio-passolini.htm : -

    “Pier Paolo Pasolini
    POET, WRITER, THINKER

    Pasolini is not known only as a film maker. A prominent poet, writer and thinker who made his first feature film at the age of 40, he had previously written or co-written dialogue for several films, among them Fellini’s “Cabirian Nights” and Bertolucci’s “La Commare Secca”.
    His directorial debut is the beautifully shot and simply directed “Accattone” that tells the story of a young man trying to make some kind of living among the low-lifes of Rome. Based on Pasolini’s own novel, the film is characterised by mesmerising black and white photography and beautiful images inspired by various Renaissance paintings. With this work and subsequent works he immediately attracted the attention of the Church and the State. His third project “La Ricotta”, a medium-length film about a film-crew filming “Christ’s Crucifixion” was banned, and Pasolini was tried because of it.

    His outspokenness and unconventional beliefs were always guaranteed to cause a reaction of some kind. However, he persisted in his own strong and recognisable style and some real masterpieces of cinematography followed: “The Passion According to St Matthew”, filmed in the beautiful landscapes of the Middle East, ”Uccellacci e Uccellini”, a comedy with Toto set in 60’s Italy, when Marxism and the Church were binary opposites, and his films based on Greek mythology – “Oedipus Rex” and “Medea”.

    Towards the end of his fruitful career in cinema, he completed his unofficial trilogy based on the Arabian Nights, The Decameron of Boccaccio and the Canterbury Tales by Chaucer. His last film before being brutally murdered in mysterious circumstances – a crime which remains unsolved to this day - was based on de Sade’s “Salo” and he portrays the brutality and masochism of the upper classes and the aristocracy. Dismissed by many as a completely awful and unwatchable film, it is nevertheless worth seeing.

    Thanks to Filmworld UK for the above information.”
    goinghome -- Sunday January 15 2006, @11:52AM (#192282)
    (User #12673 Info)
  • If you haven't tried any, you have to go out and get yourself some beer. It is so tasty. Have a cold one, as they say. May help some of you folks relax a little.

    Beer is pretty good!
    Anonymous -- Sunday January 15 2006, @02:57PM (#192300)
  • Here's the thing that no one has really mentioned:

    No one has bothered to question the reliability of the lyrics reported! He only heard them once, for god's sake!

    Let's hear the album ourselves before we start making assumptions.

    Moz not might be saying 'he' at all - he might be saying 'you'

    This is a swede we're talking about here
    Anonymous -- Sunday January 15 2006, @08:09PM (#192344)
  • Seriously if this is true I'm done with the guy, I'm tired of his bullshit, yeah he should make his own sitcom, the older he gets the whinier he gets, he's just stuck in his self-pity mode and those lyrics are the most pathetic I've ever read from him. I'm done!
    Anonymous -- Monday January 16 2006, @07:17AM (#192396)
  • This is by far the most detailed info we've gotten to date. Much appreciated!
    julyspawnedamonster <[email protected]> -- Monday January 16 2006, @02:42PM (#192485)
    (User #14522 Info)
  • Underbart! Har man något att se framemot när han anländer till Göteborg den 1 april! Sweet!
    Anonymous -- Wednesday February 01 2006, @02:31PM (#195665)


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