posted by davidt on Thursday October 27 2005, @11:00AM
Math Tinder writes:
Okay, so this in reference to this post, which was buried in the excellent, but unrelated, Billy Fury biography thread.

I originally anonymously posted a Babelfish translation of this article in the Fury thread, and now I've decided to try out my extremely minimal knowledge of Italian, coupled with some idle Internet/book research. I certainly don't claim that this translation is totally accurate, but I think I got the basic ideas across. Still, please, any Morrissey fans who speak both English and Italian, help me/us out. I could be pretty off the mark.

Words in bold brackets ([abcd]) are terms I've attempted to add for clarity, but it's possible that my attempts at clarification would just cause further confusion. Okay, so, I think this hot-shit article, translated from this Italian fanzine (blog?) article/post goes something like:

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If you are underage, you must stop reading.
If you are of age, continue, but this means you have a filthy mind.

So, then. Amongst the recent reports of having spotted Morrissey in the Capital [city], one has come from a journalist from Mondo Oltro*, who, for the sake of his country, asks to remain anonymous.

The place: a gay bar called Sphinx. A bar, yes, but with crosses of Saint Andrea [,not to mention] staff and customers with bare ass cheeks. In sum, a leather bar.

Morrissey was with a friend who introduced him to a famous writer and journalist, whose name Mondo Oltro will not state, so as not to incur complaints. Alternative meaning for preceding sentence: …whose name Mondo Oltro will not state, so as not to cause [legal?] action. OR: …whose name Mondo Oltro will not state, so as not to start an argument. The word here is 'querele,' one of language's sexiest words if I do say so, but anyway. The pair chatted amiably without having the faintest idea who the other person was.

Our ‘oltretto’/journalist/blogger described the Italian writer as ‘in his seventies, gaunt, and having Christina Aguilera’s skin color.’ Moz was ‘very Gene Gnocchi, as usual.’** The two drank bottled Beck’s beer, and chatted under a TV screen, which displayed two fat men licking the boots of another fat man. Neither of the two has visited the darkroom [back room?] or the Dungeon, the room of torture.

The mutual friend introduced Moz to the writer as ‘a famous rock singer’. The writer was visibly ‘unimpressed’.

Could it be true? Mondo Oltro limits itself to reporting sightings, like UFOlogists do.

*’oltretto’ is a nickname for journalists/bloggers who work for the Italian fanzine/fansite Mondo Oltro.
** For a picture of Italian actor Gene Gnocchi, look here. He’s that guy at the top.

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True or not, I thought this story was way hot and deserved a bump out of the Billy Fury thread. Certainly I’m not the only person who’s imagined Morrissey near a dungeon door in some classy-yet-lurid Italian gay bar.


 
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  • I can't believe some rumour that has absolutely no evidence to back it up. Some fan's overactive imagination I think. And Moz wouldn't go to a place like that because he knows he would be spotted and outed.
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 27 2005, @11:14AM (#183097)
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  • Of the highest order.
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 27 2005, @11:16AM (#183099)
  • Give me a break.....! And "Room of torture" usually translates to "Bad techno," and "Belly hanging over jockstrap."
    Sharron Needles -- Thursday October 27 2005, @11:20AM (#183101)
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  • "The two drank bottled Beck’s beer, and chatted under a TV screen, which displayed two fat men licking the boots of another fat man"

    LOL!! I can just imagine it!!
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 27 2005, @11:23AM (#183103)
  • Who cares if hes in a gay bar?
    Moz is a little light under the sneakers, everyone knows that so whats the big deal?
    JAMSDEAN -- Thursday October 27 2005, @11:45AM (#183118)
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  • I really, really hope that he isn't gay. I don't think there's anything inherently "wrong" with gayness, so calm down, boys. For selfish reasons, I hope he isn't. What made Mr. Morrissey's lyrics appealing to me, as a teenager who was rubbish at being a teenager, in the mid-'80s, was the fact that they articulated a male identity which deviated from traditional notions of masculinity, whilst still being written from a fundamentally hetrosexual perspective (at least, in my imagination, if not, in fact). I guess, from a considered viewpoint, his lyrics will be less surprising and unusual to me if it transpires that he likes it up him because the standard stereotype of the homosexual male is that they are "in touch with (and able to express) their feelings and emotions" in ways that aren't typically associated with hetrosexual masculinity. In short, and for these reasons, it would sadden me a great deal if he were gay as it would render the songs meaningless to me, as a hetro. male.
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 27 2005, @12:09PM (#183128)
  • Well now...
                It could have been worse now couldn't it? He could have been spotted in America. Or even with Tom Cruise! Anyways, it is his life and nobody else's. If anyone has a problem with where Morrissey is having some fun, or who he is sharing his spare time with well, thats just too bad. GET OVER IT ALREADY. He is human and that is what humans do. As far as this guy being in his 70's well, I had a thing for Johnny Carson when I was in my twenties and early thirties and I would never say no to Terrance Stamp or even Tom Brokaw for that matter! I am just 9 months shy of Moz's age so maybe we have the same taste in grey hair? I must admit, I am a bit angry that I wasn't phoned to go out with them. Oh well, I'll never learn.
    Paneeks -- Thursday October 27 2005, @12:53PM (#183146)
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  • "I spent the last evening in a leather bar on the liffey."
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 27 2005, @01:19PM (#183151)
  • so what if moz was in such a place, has this guy not seen the importance of being morrissey documentary, where he is filmed drinking with friends in a strip joint? doesn't mean anything!
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 27 2005, @01:37PM (#183155)
  • Near the time of the isle of wight? festival
    this is not mine its a translation that sounds ridiculous!!

    The day in which he should have played to the island of Wight, Morrissey was spotted in the Romance section Rose of the Column Arcade of Feltrinelli was in Rome. Ce our confirmation stake that so the stage described us:

    - Father Moz was appraising the purchase of two stories: "Blond Number 5" and "Bras and handles of broom". But it did not read the fascette, looked at the illustrations in covered. After about 46 zen meditation of minutes it chose for "Blond n. 5 ". While was at the box received a telephone call on the cellular one and so answered: "TO But' I took the libbro pe' zi' Rose. Yes way I come. .."

    I peel Oltro has the feeling that not pits he. But we will continue to keep watch. Promised.

    Anonymous -- Thursday October 27 2005, @01:39PM (#183157)
  • Morrissey ambushes of Weeks Watch under its study of record given resultants disappointing: Morrissey understood our game and now it is done to see alone in location and situations to the boundaries of the reality. The friend oltretto that for convenience we will call Aba in fact us signal that past october 21 Morrissey has presented to the evening Fish' n' Chips to the vice versa Radio Café and seems that "does not recognize to the entrance, to the request of to do the card (5 euro, but that was to compile a sheet) if is gone of it, with highest discouragement of the dj than avendolo known alone after not.

    Morrissey, returns! We make put you in strip! We write Moz + 1? + 2?

    Anonymous -- Thursday October 27 2005, @01:50PM (#183159)
  • Dear Fans, friends, and David T.

    This "headline" is an all-time "low" for this website/fansite.

    Tabloid bullsh*t and "scandal-like" headlines are really childish, and they are also in poor taste.

    Is this really a fansite? Because I'm beginning to question the nature of this entire website.

    First of all, I know many heterosexual men who have gone into a gay bar with their wives/girlfriends. This is the year 2005, right?

    Also- just because someone enters a gay bar does not mean they are gay.

    Furthermore, if someone IS gay- who cares? Big deal.

    I've read where experts have said that one's sexual identity/sexual orientation is really a small part of the entire "person" anyway.

    It could also be said that Morrissey simply wanted to meet someone influential.

    This headline is really immature and of no relevance whatsoever. I am shocked and surprised that David T. even posted it as a headline. A bar is a bar (for the most part) anyway. Who really cares. I doubt Morrissey would even mention or sing about the meeting on his upcoming album.

    This debate is hackneyed, cliched, and just plain boring. Either you are a fan or you're not. That's my two cents.

    Always-

    Ken S.
    ps- This is truly kindergarten gossip.
    sycophantic_slag -- Thursday October 27 2005, @01:52PM (#183160)
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  • he could simply be looking for costume ideas for the upcoming album cover.

    if he went to straight men and asked how exactly they would wear leather, you'd probably get a goofy combination of leather worn with tube socks.
    suzanne -- Thursday October 27 2005, @02:00PM (#183163)
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  • this is such old news...we all know moz is a moe.

    time to officially come out of that closet you've been hiding in.
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 27 2005, @02:04PM (#183164)
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  • is a question mark, is probably a member of the "Flat Earth Society" as well.

    I'm quite sure that he finds it very amusing.
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 27 2005, @02:08PM (#183165)
  • Morrissey Watch I Peel Oltro is hopping for the Mediterranean one but the reports of Morrissey are make go crazy its radar. Expensive oltretti, you suffice signal Morrissey in turn for the Fine Country... seemed a sleeve of fan of visionary Elvis.

    In the last 10 days Morrissey was sighted:

    - In The dammuso of Armani to Pantelleria in company of a group of "visuals" (that is vetrinisti) specially turbulent. - In a phone center of Bay Domizia (Caserta). Apparently in confused state. - In The VIP Lounge of a disco of Gabicce Sea to play the cordless telephone with Lele Delay and a theory of ragazzotti to nude torso. - In a chinese restaurant with karaoke on the lake of Garda. It seems that it sang "How Soon Is Now", dedicandola to Cristina Plevani of the Large One Brother. - TO Panarea, to do shopping in the prestigious boutique "Pots and rags of Panarea". It would have bought you are parei and ten couple of espadrillas

    Anonymous -- Thursday October 27 2005, @02:12PM (#183167)
  • morrissey is a reverse thesis of anything you suspect him of being
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 27 2005, @02:37PM (#183171)
  • David,

    I've stood up for you on many occasions (too many to count actually) but I'm afraid you've really crossed the line this time. I'm starting to wonder if you're even a fan anymore? It's a shame but it looks like this site is steadily heading toward tabloid territory.
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 27 2005, @02:52PM (#183175)
  • But are people outraged because this story is tabloid fodder, or because it suggests Morrissey might be gay?
    If it's the former, then fair play, as such lurid gossip is part of the British culture that Moz detests, or did at one time.
    However, if it's the latter reason, then don't you think your outrage displays an undercurrent of homophobia?
    After all, would you be accusing David of blasphemy if the story reported that Moz was seen chatting to a female writer in a bar playing dance music, showing a hetero couple gyrating against one another on the big screen?
    To me, all this story says is, Moz spotted drinking in Italy ... no big deal.
    Mozzersgirl -- Thursday October 27 2005, @03:03PM (#183178)
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  • What do you come here for?

    To see that Morrissey has purchased a house in the Hamptons?

    This site has and always will be held in high regard whether you like it or not.

    David, you have kept it up just fine. Keep it up.

    palare -- Thursday October 27 2005, @03:07PM (#183180)
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  • Because not one person asked, "gee--i wonder who that famous writer was." They're more concerned that David T has "crossed the line" somehow. Presumably because reporting that someone is in a gay bar is so shameful that you better double and triple check your sources. Dear lord, people. It really comical that people are standing up here saying they're disappointed to learn Morrissey's gay. I mean, grow up. Really.
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 27 2005, @03:14PM (#183182)
  • Just in the way it was written makes me suspicious. It seems to be written in a sensationalist way which seems very suspect to me.

    But I'm sure Morrissey does visit gay bars.

    Is there anyone who posts on here who doesn't go gay bars socially? If you don't you lead quite a sheltered life.
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 27 2005, @03:18PM (#183185)
  • But I still don't understand it very well.

    Who was he there with? The seventy year old writer who was unimpressed to hear he was a singer or the journalist/blogger who is terrified of revealing his identity (just what is he scared of)?

    Or did he just go alone and sit sadly in the corner?
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 27 2005, @03:23PM (#183190)
  • "Lots of straight ment I know visit gay bars".

    Sorry mate, the majority of straight men DONT.
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 27 2005, @03:31PM (#183193)
  • what difference does it make?

    Anonymous -- Thursday October 27 2005, @03:41PM (#183198)
  • Because someone cares to say they do not seek out gay bars in a district, they are obviosuly "homophobic".

    In general, the locals will know where to find the "type of bar" they choose to drink in.

    I am not "homophobic", but I wouldn't hit town asking for the nearest "gay bar" either.
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 27 2005, @03:53PM (#183206)
  • Cry out loudly!!!!!!

    Nobody hears.
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 27 2005, @04:17PM (#183229)
  • Gay ? My world is shattered.

    Giovanni Jockstrap
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 27 2005, @04:49PM (#183236)
  • Does this mean morrissey-solo will be hitting grocery check-out stands soon?
    Anonymous -- Thursday October 27 2005, @05:10PM (#183239)
  • that doesn't make him gay. I went to England, that doesn't make me English (sadly).

    Many of us have a strong suspicion that morrissey may favor men, but a visit to a gay bar is far from "proof." Morrissey has been very open regarding his views of sexuality, and I don't think they are so rigid as to preclude a visit to a gay bar.

    veradicere -- Thursday October 27 2005, @06:50PM (#183249)
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  • for an article related to Morrissey's time in Italy, and this is what we get?? No article about Morrissey meeting Morricone, or how Tony Visconti and Morrissey got on together in the studio? No stunning photos of Morrissey on the steps of Piazza di Spagna, or Morrissey and the lads at the Coliseum?

    Morrissey would never be something as boring as gay, or straight...or bi.

    king leer -- Thursday October 27 2005, @07:44PM (#183255)
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  • first of all, David didn't hide in the bushes and watch as Morrissey went into a gay bar and reported his observations. he simply published a link to a blog that already reported that story.

    secondly, he wasn't even the first to publish that link on this website. read closely and see that someone posted it originally in the comments section of the Billy Fury story.

    third, there are stories all the time about morrissey spottings such as if they saw him at the grocery store or at the Tiger Army show. do you have a problem with the fact that this time around he was seen in a gay bar? it's a public space just like anywhere else and he was sitting around and having a drink in it and that's it just like the numerous times he's been seen at the Cat and Fiddle. Morrissey wasn't embarrassed to go in to that bar. I think you people need to grow up.
    suzanne -- Thursday October 27 2005, @09:01PM (#183259)
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  • hi everybody,
    I'm an Italian Moz fan and have to say that what I read could really be true: the place exists and the writer they talk about, too. He is a very clever and smart Italian man, probably called Aldo Busi. And I have to say that Moz isn't so popular in Italy, not so many people know who he is or can recognize him... so he could go wherever he wants in Rome without being bothered.
    Unfortunately, I still can't meet him but I won't lose faith.
    Cheers!
    sterling -- Friday October 28 2005, @12:16AM (#183266)
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  • What a load of Bollocks. I dont come to this website to read crap like this. Morrissey can go to any bar he likes - gay or straight. This is the worst "news" for a long long time on this website. And Speculating sexuality is a bit of "old hat". YAWN.
    shoplifter71 -- Friday October 28 2005, @12:28AM (#183267)
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  • The 'Is Morrissey Gay?' issue has been done to death many times. As I have posted at length previously, Morrissey is not gay or if he is, even he doesn't know it. Again, I have posted my unusual knowledge of this particular point before and why I can claim that it is a 'fact' that he is not gay and yet post under the 'anonymous' banner.

    For those who hope he's not, you're in luck, for those that hope he is, I'm sorry.
    Anonymous -- Friday October 28 2005, @12:48AM (#183269)
  • You absolute down right dirty, lovey darling you.
    Colette -- Friday October 28 2005, @01:18AM (#183273)
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  • We've all known Morrissey is a coco shunter but I didn't think he'd be into torture. Great news!
    Anonymous -- Friday October 28 2005, @01:50AM (#183278)
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  • I don't see the problem with this as news. As suzanne notes above, this site covers all Morrissey sightings. If you don't like that level of coverage then don't come here. The headline is simply factual - he was in a gay bar.

    Keep up the good work davidt. Best fansite on the 'net!
    2-J -- Friday October 28 2005, @02:36AM (#183281)
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  • Reader meet author with the hope of hearing sense but you maybe feeling let down by the words of defence.
    Anonymous -- Friday October 28 2005, @04:52AM (#183296)
  • Look at the evidence!

    http://www.prettypettythieves.com/fans/mozswings.j pg [prettypettythieves.com]
    Helvissa -- Friday October 28 2005, @06:18AM (#183306)
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  • Here's a little story for all of you 'naive to Gay lifestyle' should read.
        First Off: When you go out with friends on Friday night or Saturday for drinks, do you not check the place you are going to before you go to it? I should think so. And if you went inside, would you stay and have a few drinks and hang out with some of the gay guys or girls who were there because they know its a gay bar?
        Second: I was in one of the better known well respected gay bars in Boston called the Napolian Club. It has two piano bars downstairs to which the guys 20 to 80 years of age socialize there and get to know each other better. And upstairs is a dance floor where mostly the younger crowd hangs out. One night I was at the far back piano bar with a good friend who is 43 years my senior when a friend of mine from my day job walked in. we both kind of looked at each other like 'what are you doing in here'? He then proceeded to pretend like he walked into the wrong bar, and was also pretending that he was too drunk to have noticed that it was an 98% all male bar. To try to defuse his bad acting routine I said, "look T, I am here and you are here, why don't you just admit the real reason why you are in here." He then told me about himself, as I did to him the same and the tension left the room.
          We are still great friends going on 15 years later. My case in point, you do not frequent a gay bar without knowing what it is to begin with! Morrissey knew exactly where he was and who he was talking with. Also, for him it must be a bit easier for him in Italy where he is not noticed as much. Bottom line is that he has needs just like you and I do. I know this has been quoted a bunch of times before but, "He is human and ...
    Paneeks -- Friday October 28 2005, @07:17AM (#183312)
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  • then you will know that he is a very private person. I think we should all respect this.

    I’m sure If Morrissey was to visit this site he would not appreciate all this speculation about his sexuality.

    Perhaps you should bare this in mind before you make your comments, just a suggestion.
    Tbevie -- Friday October 28 2005, @07:22AM (#183313)
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  • After all Morrissey has said and done after all these years, the fact that his sexuality is still being debated defies belief. He is truly the master of the personal myth.

    Besides, it is his unabated naughtiness that is so very endearing.
    Anaesthesine -- Friday October 28 2005, @09:01AM (#183335)
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  • ...you do not want to believe.
    cber25 -- Friday October 28 2005, @09:36AM (#183340)
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  • Here's the correct english translation:
    Another homo has misconstrued a report of a random Morrissey sighting in attempts to claim him as one of their own.
    David Rich -- Friday October 28 2005, @11:10AM (#183349)
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  • This story is true... and there's a lot more to it than at first glance. Here's why.....
    As we know, Morrissey is currently in Rome recording his new album. The producer of that LP is Tony Visconti, most famed for his groundbreaking work with Bowie. Following in the illustrious footsteps of Mr Bowie, it's been leaked that Morrissey is making a 'concept' LP along the lines of 'Ziggy Stardust'. 10 of 13 tracks have already been recorded and apparently it's about the rise of fall of a gay nightclub singer called 'John la Jon', once the brightest cabaret act in Las Vegas, whose glittering career is brought to a tragic end after he is caught, ahem, "giving favours and all" to a young, impressionable cocktail waiter. La Jon's career hits meltdown and it's said Morrissey is going to end the story with two sad ballads - one entitled 'Lament For John la Jon' and 'If I Knew Love Was This Painful I Would Curse This Dreadful World I live In.'
    They will contain some of the most searing Morrissey lyrics ever, so it's been rumoured.
    So, the truth is simple. If Morrissey was seen in a gay bar in Rome, it was purely for artistic research and inspiration for his new album - which currently has the working title 'Head, Head Boy.'
    Anonymous -- Friday October 28 2005, @11:20AM (#183354)
  • peeete's some of you are total crybaby nutjobs! WHO CARES? WHO BLOODY CARES???

    A new album is on its way. Sit back and relax.
    Anonymous -- Friday October 28 2005, @12:10PM (#183359)
  • Thank you all for the show! Your comments to the article are a unique, priceless example of human frivolity. Particularly funny those poor creatures whose world's fallen to pieces after the discovery of Moz's sexual preferences. Let's all meet ap at the Sphynx, have a good night
    niva -- Friday October 28 2005, @12:41PM (#183360)
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  • Any preoccupation with ideas of what is right or wrong in conduct shows an arrested intellectual development.

    Haven't any of you heard 'I Can Have Both'? Such unecessary shock, always.

     
    Anonymous -- Friday October 28 2005, @01:14PM (#183364)
  • one what goes to Roman gay clubs
    the other to LA hetero strip joints

    and2rew -- Friday October 28 2005, @02:05PM (#183368)
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