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davidt
on Monday October 03 2005, @12:30PM
Jazzy Jeff writes:
Hot news! From 'True to You' Ringleader Of The Tormentors: New album title, producer, engineer, and release information; Morrissey’s description of the new album. 3rd October 2005 Production on the new Morrissey album has been undertaken by Tony Visconti, who is in Rome with Morrissey and the band. The album should be completed by November 1st, and is entitled Ringleader Of The Tormentors. Tony Visconti is most famous for production on all of the early albums by T.Rex and David Bowie. Jeff Saltzman, who was originally named as producer, could not undertake the project. The album is engineered by Marco Origel, who is from the San Francisco area. Ringleader Of The Tormentors will be released on Attack early in 2006. Morrissey is delighted with the album which he describes as “the most beautiful—perhaps the most gentle, so far.”
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Nice title (Score:1)
Sk.
(User #7815 Info)
none (Score:0)
The Title (Score:0)
From "balls to the walls" to "gentle"..? (Score:1)
If Tony Visconti is involved, I'd say expect experimental, perhaps a little bit more of a rock sound than the slower songs of YATQ, but it's not going to be anything like Ozzy Osbourne or any of those metalheads!
(User #14185 Info)
Visconti (Score:3, Interesting)
Famous for his work with David Bowie, Marc Bolan and Phillip Boa (ok, last one known mainly here in Germany). He is/was married to May Pang (known as John Lennons girl during his 'Lost Weekend').
I would expect a record that is following the 'Your Arsenal' mood - a step back into the glam direction.
A good choice - hopefully.
(User #357 Info | http://www.krix-s.de/morrissey.htm)
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Tony (Score:1, Interesting)
http://www.tonyvisconti.com/
I like how this album is now the most "gentle" whereas it was decribed previously as his most "loud." I hope he goes for both, personally.
Finn
I won't believe it... (Score:0, Troll)
(User #3503 Info)
Ringleader Of The Tormentors (Score:1)
Anyone else think that the title is quite strange? It just doesn't seem like a Morrissey title to me.
(User #14088 Info)
Tony Visconti - amazing news JULIE (Score:0)
Well done Julia and thank you so much.
Rock on 2006 !
Strawberry.
Ringleader of the Tormentors (Score:1)
I can hardly wait!
(User #13803 Info)
New producer: Yea. New LP title: Nay. (Score:1)
(User #1665 Info | http://www.cherryplucker.com/)
Same as You Are The Quarry (Score:0)
Is Morrissey the Quarry or is he the hunter?
Is Morrissey the Ringleader or is he being tormented?
As far as change in producer goes maybe Jeff is used to young malleable bands he can tell what to do. Maybe working with an artist who knows what they want might be a bit of a culture shock for him?
Album Title (Score:2, Funny)
BAD news! (Score:1)
Don't get me wrong, I will still buy the album, just was hoping for something stronger!
(User #10818 Info)
Similarities to The Headmaster Ritual (Score:1)
I was unfortunate enough to be systematically tormented by a large group of bullies.
I know exactly how it is. To be tormented and verbally and physically abused on a daily basis when you walk into school.
I stuttered, and I was quiet and introverted. Maybe there is some irony in the new album title, but I don't think so.
With love-
Ken S.
(User #3940 Info)
Re:Several similarities (Score:2, Insightful)
Perhaps hearing the songs will enlighten us further; or perhaps not. Anyway it's all heavily pregnant with numinous mystery, and the due date of the new arrival pencilled in already!
Cheers! : )
(User #12673 Info)
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Ringleader of nothing...in practicular (Score:0)
Bullet in the gullet kind of
gentle album perhaps?
The name is quite original tho...
hope not self intentionally so.
Let's wait and see for the material.
I like somehow more cryptic or striking names
like Bona Drag or Maladjusted.
(User #14586 Info)
Visconti (Score:1)
Good title too.
All this bodes well. Very very promising.
(User #7076 Info)
Get over it already (Score:1)
(User #8232 Info)
Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting)
The Influence of Marc Bolan & T.Rex (Score:0)
Morrissey already described it as gentle and beautiful, Tony Visconti is producing and the title even sounds quite Bolan-esque.
Fingers crossed!
Julia (Score:1, Offtopic)
Unfortunately, I've never met Mr. Tseng. I think this website will be a prototype or an example that will be included in the history of Pop/Rock music.
No other fan site in the history of music has ever been so influential.
Also check out the un-official Jobriath website-
www.jobriath.org
It is very scholarly as well.
Sincerely,
Ken
(User #3940 Info)
Ringleader Of The Tormentors (Score:1, Redundant)
(User #3249 Info | http://www.myspace.com/coldwarspies)
Interim research (Score:2, Informative)
It also looks as if it was a 1991 film as well (dig out your copy for e-bay sale now).
‘A bullied schoolboy plans to retaliate against the ringleader of his tormentors while his parents are out of town, but the two soon find themselves locked in an intense emotional and psychological struggle‘.
Is it true that Morrissey’s source of inspiration can be identified by a 0.056 second search in google? Doubt it (I hope).
Either way, based on what we have so far Uncleskinny looks to have hit it the proverbial nail.
(User #14277 Info)
Our precious oyster (Score:1)
The the gothic place - Plato's cave - where Morrissey is making his music is already a shell... What my mind isn't paying now to peek, even imaginarily, and watch how he does his recording.
Well, let our precious oyster keep rounding and polishing his pearl, the... (Maybe I am too tired but I still didn't memorize the title).
(User #14157 Info)
love him (Score:0)
Visconti (Score:1)
(User #762 Info)
Rome - Morrissey - Morricone - Visconti - Oooooh (Score:1)
Good title, but it sounds like a song name more than an album moniker. Actually it sounds a bit like a title someone pretending to be Morrissey might come up with. It could change, yet.
(User #80 Info)
instant reaction (Score:1)
(User #13603 Info)
Title origin: '91 Film "To Play or to Die" (Score:2, Informative)
From the backcover description on the DVD:
To Play or To Die (1991)
Cast & Crew:
Geert Hunaerts, Tjebbo Gerrltsma, directed by Frank Krom
Synopsis:
Kees, a shy underclassman at a Dutch all-boys school, is sick and tired of being bullied by his sadomasochistic classmates. But Kees is fascinated by Charel, the extraordinarily handsome ringleader of his tormentors. Eager to turn the tables, Kees invites Charel back to his house when his parents are away. Too bad his plan to take revenge backfires when Charel gets the upper hand.
Part of Water Bearer Films' "Alternative LifeStyles" series.
MPAA Rating: Not Rated
Runtime: 50 minutes
Genre: Foreign Films, Dutch, Drama, Gay/Lesbian, Psychodrama, Suspense
Fansites:
For To Play or To Die
(User #9140 Info)
yes. (Score:2, Informative)
http://www.frostjedi.com/vex/html/trappists.html [frostjedi.com]
I found a quote describing an episode of Babylon 5 about a character being replaced by a ringleader of his tormentors.
http://www.frameline.org/festival/27th/programs/m
a description of a movie called Mudge Boy where a guy befriends the ringleader of his tormentors.
http://www.fastcopyinc.com/orionpress/2285-2293_T
again, it seems that sci-fi is a popular genre for tormentors as this description pops up in a bit of Star Trek fan fiction.
that was the yahoo search.
Google leaned more towards news stories including Iranian hostages and detainees at Abu Ghraib.
there you go.
it might actually be in a book. it could have been in a news story. he might own that DVD and enjoys reading the back cover when he's in the mood for some light reading. unless he actually says, nobody will really be for sure.
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Sweet Tormentor (Score:1)
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Release date please! (Score:1, Troll)
(User #8252 Info)
Hope for the best (Score:1)
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i love the title! (Score:0)
Steven Patrick goes me(n)tal! (Score:1)
(User #5987 Info)
'How Long Has This Been Going On' (Score:0)
Something rich and strange (Score:1)
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albumtitle (Score:1)
Visconti is a bonus, compared to Saltzman
(User #220 Info)
I'm Here to Lodge a Complaint ... (Score:1)
It hasn't a the faded grandeur of "Vauxhall and I", nor the provocation of "Viva Hate", nor the wordplay of "You are the Quarry"
(User #11417 Info)
stating the obvious (Score:1)
magnificent - as fans we can be proud of ourselves for supporting him.
(User #12826 Info)
The new album's producer (Score:0, Offtopic)
All things point to this Album being along similar lines to Your Arsenal. Crunching Guitars, surely insightful lyrics. Think about the diversity on that Album - National Fornt Disco, Seasick Yet Still Docked and of course we Hate it When...
And bearing in mind Mozza didnt have a full time keyboardist back then, there should be a whole new dimension to his sound on this Album. BRILLIANT I say and bring it on.
Im looking forward to a National Front Disco Update! Lets see what the NME have to say about that now.
(User #14637 Info)
incredible lyrics, great songs, what a voice (Score:0)
Dunno about the album title... (Score:0, Redundant)
(User #8319 Info | http://www.mnartists.org/Ed_Moorman)
His best yet (so far...)! (Score:0, Redundant)
i have just read this and i think this is briliant news. i agree 'ringleader of the taunters' will definitley be his best album yet. Well done Morissey, you just know it will be good, i agree with you all.
what do you think the lyrics will be and the song titles. i think the titles may be like this
1. i escaped from a van
2. why do you always bother me when i'm busy thinking about you?
3. Wales
4. kojak dyed his hair for you
5. breakdown at the antiqeus road show
6. i am still (unforgivabley) a round peg in a big hole
7. rainey day in hollywood
8. take off your shirt and have a lie down, dear
9. killed by a golf ball
10. you're the person whose on everybodys'lips
11. unloved unwanted adored
i think going by the title of the album those will probaply be the names of the songs. im not quiet sure if thats the right running order, and also i admit that i dont know what the b-sides will be called. still its valid isnt it?
perhaps you can suggest some other titles or which of the ones above you think shouldnt be on the album because you wont like them when he plays them live for the first time ect ect
best wishes josh.
(User #11955 Info)
Gentle/Rocking (Score:1, Interesting)
Hasn't it occurred to anybody else that Morrissey might just be playing with us? It wouldn't surprise me one tiny bit if the album did turn out to be the "balls to the wall" rock album that was recently rumoured. It would be typically sarcastic of Morrissey to proclaim that such an album could be "beautiful and gentle." Bob Dylan once described himself as being a "song and dance man." I suspect similar tongue-in-cheekness here. Either way, I can't wait! I love the title - it puts me in mind of something which I can't quite put my finger on yet...
It bodes well for a refreshing new batch of songs.
TT
(User #11165 Info)
Re: Gentle/Rocking (Score:0)
Either way, anyone who's heard Bowie's old records, as well as Heathen and Reality, know that Visconti brings the goods. Great news. Go Moz.
Top choice! (Score:0)
(User #2577 Info)
morrissey, be gentle with us! (Score:1)
what i don't get is why his spokesperson said that Salzman was producing the album last week when he can't even take on the project. do they not know who is in the studio or what's going on or did Salzman bail about halfway through?
(User #36 Info)
Do you think Morrissey is embarrassed? (Score:0)
Bigmouth strikes again Moz!
The title... (Score:0)
When it were untitled I just liked it more (Score:1)
It makes "Morrissey: The Consumer Monkey" or "The People's Friend" sound like classic titles.
Well, it's only a title.
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Boxers (Score:1)
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