So...did anyone talk to him? If Morrisey was there, sounds like they are still on good terms and that Alain may still be in the band.

My hovercraft is full of eels.

hope this means alain will still be playing with moz. im also excited to hear red lightning.

can anyone who was there describe what they sound like in detail?

Alain and the Red Lightning took the stage about 10 PM and played until about 11:15 PM - a FANTASTIC show- the highlight for me was when he played "The Edges Are No Longer Parallel"

Yes Morrissey did walk through the club about 20 minutes after Alain left the stage... I was told that Alain had already left the building by the time Moz arrived @ 11:45 PM and that Moz said "I'm very sorry, I thought he was going on at Midnight!"

I did not have my camera ready when Moz walked right by us... he looked great!

Cheers,

Jay

my pix: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jaytando7//Alain-Whyte-Red-Lightning-4_30_05/data/ index.html

I am unclear what the backstory is on Alains departure. I thought he had a bad back...but then he seemed to be just sort of replaced by Jesse.

I thought there was going to be more people there, but hey can't complain at least we had room to breath. It was very hot in there. It was nice to see people I hadn't seen in such a long time, Mel, Jay, and Rick. My favorite song of theirs was Final Curtain and of course the best part of the night was when they played The edges are no longer parallel.

Oscar

I bet he rocked.

I know he rocked.

On the setlist it shows "Baby I'm Strange".

Wasn't that a song by the Motivators? With Boz and company?

I have the mp3 of that actually.

Okay, here's the deal. Morrissey showed up, went straight for backstage, and (I'm told) only to see that Alain had already left, & also left directly. All night, I kept waiting to see or hear some sort of a hint as to whether or not Alain was out or still in the Morrissey band. Jose Maldonaldo of SATH fame, kept yelling things out and seemed to have the best running conversation with Alain, but the question, "Alain, are you still in the Morrissey band?" was never yelled out. As I figured that I would have to be the one to yell it out, a strange fear gripped me and I just couldn't ask. I started thinking about it and I thought to myself, it might be inappropriate to ask him the question during his 'Red Lightning' show. I don't want to haunt the man with questions he may not give a rat's ass about! I just figured I'd leave the task to someone else, as I didn't want to offend him or anything. Also, I started to notice Alain became irritated by one overzealous fan holding up a picture for Alain to sign. Alain said over and over and over and over again that he would sign the Damn picture! But the guy kept holding it up for Alain to sign the picture right then and there, during the damn song, in a pushy, idiotic way. It's at this point, I realized Alain doesn't owe us anything, and I was right. This was his new band's show, and he IS the nicest guy in the world, but he's not gonna be pushed around either. Anyway, let me get to the good stuff, as I see it, that I noticed. Before the song "The Final Curtain" Alain introduced the song cryptically by saying "This song is called 'The Final Curtain' which of course, has fallen on me..." Then, in Morrissey-esk fashion, tore into the song. I found this statement to be interesting and wondered if it had some significance to his status in the Morrissey band. Also, another strange twist that I observed was when another fan, one much more considerate than the one I described prior, gave what looked like a Morrissey 'Kill Uncle' picture book or tour book to the bassist[John DiMambro], who in turn gave to Alain, who looked at the Morrissey 'Kill Uncle' book on the front and on the back a bit intently before he decided NOT to sign the book. Keep in mind, this happened fast and in sort of a passive way, as to not to offend, but significantly so as to get the message across. Anyway, Alain gave the book back to the John DiMambro, and the bassist gave the book back to the fan and said, "I'm sorry, he won't sign it..." I find this significant, not proof or anything that Alain was out of the band, but significant. Overall, the bands music was really good and amazing. If you heard it on the radio, you'd definitely think it is influenced by Morrissey, U2 and bands of the like. The band are really good, no doubt. So, I'll let you be the judge. Why wasn't Alain signed to Sanctuary as was Boz? Alain wrote all the hits to You Are The Quarry!? Why did Morrissey show up, only to find Alain gone!? What the hell is going on, and why won't anyone say anything, damnit? This is sooooo suspicious....(or not?) Has Alain left the band to start his own friendly venture, to leave the Morrissey saga behind? And is Morrissey trying to save his marriage by rushing in, last minute, to get 'his' boy back from the depths of the cruel world? You...Tell...Me.

(Don't hate me for the sensationalism, I'd desperately, secretly love to be a gossip journalist...)

As for me, You're damn right, Morrissey, you better do all you can to GET ALAIN BACK! Even if it means chasing him around L.A.!

All I can say was the show was wonderful, Al was in top form and the music was brilliant. I feel lucky to have been there and I cannot wait until July when they have another show, and hopefully an album by then!

if Alain's written some more "daddy's Voice" esque glam stompers, only for them to be relased by his new band.

That's the direction I wanted Moz to go down. Alain's songwriting recently has been of a different order to his mid 90s stuff.

I hope they continue to write together, even if Alain is no longer in the band.

broken

that all this signals

EITHER

the arrival of completely new Moz collaborators

OR

the return of Johnny Marr.

It's time for things to change in the Moz camp.

Alain looked pretty good. He seems to have lost some weight. His mood was good, and he seemed happy to be playing. There were some sound issues, but nothing major. He stopped in the middle of one song and had to restart.

His opening song was really good. It was fast and catchy. I can't make out the title from the picture taken of the setlist by Jay, but the lyrics seemed to be about the war in Iraq. Namely, stuff about soldiers and innocent people dying for "a lie."

While Alain was playing all these up-tempo songs, I couldn't help but think, "Why is it that Morrissey seems to SLOW his songs down at live shows now?" It really seems to be a choice by Morrissey and not his band. And it's boring! But that's off topic, I guess.

There was some yelling from the crowd—mostly from Jose from Sweet and Tender Hooligans—stuff like, "We've missed you!" and "Will we see you at [inaudible]?" which I thought was a reference to the upcoming festival Moz is scheduled for. Alain did not respond. He came back for two encores. Someone gave him flowers. He signed a couple of things. Yes, that guy holding up that picture for him to sign the whole show was very annoying, but I think Alain signed the pic at the very end.

I didn't see Morrissey do his "walk-through" as I left as soon as soon as the show was over. I actually can't believe Morrissey would even show up there with the intention of watching the show. The room Alain played was so small. I don't know where Morrissey could've watched the show without getting completely mobbed by fans the entire time. I guess he could've climbed up the ladder and sat on the platform with the sound guy or something. Hah. Actually, the idea of Morrissey trapped in that room with 100 or so Morrissey fans is quite funny. It would've been interesting to see.

that "The Edges Are No Longer Parallell" was/is Alain's favourite song that he has ever written for Moz- fitting then that he would choose it to cover.

I have some photos up @ http://theresa388.fotopic.net/c523774.html

I'm not a pro so some of them are kinda fuzzy..I also took video/audio so people can hear Red Lightning that I'll post when I figure out how to set it up :)

Did nobody noitce that "Trash" was listed at the end of the set list and said 'optional'. Morrissey was to join Alain on stage to sing with him. I know Morrissey showed up late but he was tring to plan this a bit better I am sure. Since Moz did not turn up they did not do the song. Alain is not a known Dolls fan. He was doing that for Morrissey and Morrissey only. People wake up to the fact that Morrissey will kick you out of the band for one reason and one reason alone, drugs! Ask Rick and Bruce or even Gary Day.

I doesn't take too much trouble to ask someone a question w/out being a dick about it!

ME: *yells* "Hey, ALain!"

Alain: (looks over eventually)

ME: *still yellin* "you and moz still workin?"

(look for a nod)

badda bing badda boom!

im out....

friday mourning, hard to walk tall, let me kiss you, don't make fun of daddy's voice, etc
Alain provided Moz with some fantastic pieces of music in 2004.
let's just hope they really are still friends and can continue their songwriting partnership.
it's great that Alain's overcome his illness to the extent where he's back on stage. was he singing too or have they got another singer?
John

The only thing that is clear, is that we still don't know if Alain is in the Morrissey band.

Since there is no point speculating, are Red Lightning any good and do they deserve a recording contract?

For 7 years now, i have been playing The Edges Are No Longer Parralel to anyone that will listen, and when people ask me to do a Moz compilation I always stick that on there. I think it is easily in the top five moz solo songs, and when i saw him in 1999 at the london forum i think he played it but i'm not sure. As far as i know, no one has mentioned that song before on moz solo so its been a long time coming.

When it was released, moz's promotion was so bad that i came across it (with its two new b-sides) by accident. I already had the a-side on the album, but to think that so many fans were missing out on new, and great b-sides, was infuriating. Indeed, when it comes to Alain Whyte, be under no illusion - all the great Moz solo stuff you hear - Music by Alain, he is the heart and soul of moz's solo stuff. If he leaves, i will be very interested to see what he comes up with.

I just looked at some of the pics from the gig, and i haven't heard the music but... at first glance i feel that the only thing holing interest in this is him being from moz's band. There are a million and one bands made up of 30 something guys with quiffs that look like Eddie Cochran playing the North London Camden circuit, they will have to be pretty special to cut it if you ask me

ithink its terrible. where the hell did he come up with that?

...it's the Marr story all over again. Could it be that Alain was so pissed off with Moz that he bailed? Could it be that Moz, in an attempt to secure songwriting talent, wanted to lock Boz in? Will there be another Moz album ever?

It's really crazy how many assholes come up with the same thing over and over again.

That after how many decades of Morrissey's work people still think when band members depart there has to be some forthcoming explanation.

Probably I must have missed it in my life when I realized the separate lives of others will be my business when I want it to.

Who are you people, the IRS?

I bet the IRS dress better.

Did anyone there record a bootleg of the show?
I'd love to hear 'The Edges' live, it's one of my favorites. It would be nice to hear Alain's new material.

Perhaps I'm reaching here but isn't the spelling of Alain dangerously close to Alien? Does anyone think he might be from outer space? The first gay man on Mars? Maybe Boz is gay too because he's almost as famous as Moz. This is a very intriguing thought don't you think? Apparently Boz in Polish means 'I was thinking of being Gay but then I joined Moz's band'. Anyhoo, I know the guy who cleans Alan's towels (he likes them nicely soft and comfy) and he said that Moz is going to release a single next week called 'Who you callin' a poofter?' with Alain on lead vocals and Boz on backing (Fnarr Fnarr). This should explain everything. Fancy that campers!!!!

I bet Johnny Marr wishes he could sing as good
as Alain !

Thank God morrissey got their at the time he did because he probably would of left the performance early anyway after the performance i experienced. Dont get me wrong I am a Morrissey fan and even though alain was in morrisseys band, I dont think alain was cut to be a solo performer, he is a good guitarist, but he lacks in songwriting and vocals.I think i know when someone great is on stage, and lets just say i was yawning while alain was...attempting to sing.He had no energy on stage. and all and all it was a mediocre performance.

Please keep your private sexual fantasies to yourself.
We don't need to read such vulgarity.

you need to keep all your sexual, anal fetishes to yourself, or atleast tell them to someone who is interested or cares!

Everybody is labeled Gay when they become famous.
Read any tabloid. It has become a badge of honor.
The word Gay used to mean happy before 1970 whatever, then it meant homosexual and if used enough in regards to famous people Gay's new meaning will be famous.
Gay=Famous hence Morrissey is tremondously Gay.

Moz is the only gay in this village!

And every woman with short hair is a Dyke. It's so pathetic I almost suspect they're taking the piss out of us gullible Brits.

Actually, the worst insult you can call an American is to call him a Canadian.

yes, who of the group was going to be Andy I and start yelling out "Morrissey! Morrissey!" during the show?

I think that everyone assumed that Alain would have come off stage and hung out at the bar and signed autographs and shook hands with those attending like Boz would have done, but it sounds like he's taking a cue from his old boss and ducking out....i find that somewhat surprising, but then, i think that out of all of them, Alain likes to play the role of Rockstar the most.

Maybe it's not really clear what will be Morrissey's next step at the moment, which makes it difficult for Alain to comment about the future.

Troll for pointing out the truth?

In between songs I asked Alain if he was playing the Isle of Wight show but he either did not hear me or ignored the question as he did not look up from the autograph he was signing... I have that on video... I later asked the bass player the same question after the show and he said "That is none of my business. I am in the band 'Red Lightning'..." He was cool and polite about it but you could tell he was annoyed by the question.

So his status with Morrissey remains a mystery and obviously that is the way they all want it...

Cheers,

Jay

Look, you weren't there. It's easy to scream out on a message board from Vermont, saying, "Damn You, Why didn't you ask The Question???" As if, just because we're at the show and we live in L.A., it's OUR job to report back to YOU and everyone that attends this website and give you the goods? Sorry, I'm not your bitch! Why don't YOU track Alain down, corner him and make him answer! I simply didn't feel like bothering him with the question. And further, it's not my fucking "job", as you say. I was there to see Alain and Red Lightning perform, mission accomplished. It was bonus that I got to see Morrissey. End of story. "Mud" asked him, he tried, Alain didn't answer. Leave it alone. You'll find out soon enough. We'll all find out soon enough. Don't be so, "Dear God, you failed your mission!" What mission? And who the fuck are you? The General? God? No. Have a good day!

If you want the answer so bad, find out for yourself. Twat.

Because this site is full of THEM !!

Why are Brits obsessed with female genitalia?

Is it because you fags need to compensate for what you wish you had.

Brits think the worst insult you can give is to call someone a "cunt".

Thats even more pathetic.

Quit being such a twat loafingoaf. You seem to have a problem with Moz Angelinos, didn't you call them douchebags on the last story on alain's band?

who's working for you? as far as im concerned, you're our bitch. if you want to go play sherlock holmes hop on a greyhound or fire up the gremlin, and get your ass over here yourself to play sneaky journalist.

He doesn't owe us anything. When you buy a ticket for a concert it says "Morrissey" not "Morrissey plus Boz and Alain". He doesn't guarantee who will be playing in his band.

Yes, he's probably well aware of the speculation. He's probably also well aware that quite a lot of the speculation has been nasty and intrusive into Alain's privacy. So he probably does enjoy winding up all the nasty fans out there. Good on him. Just because you're fans it doesn't mean he has to like you particularly.