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davidt
on Monday April 18 2005, @09:00AM
Leaving-by-chance writes:
Another fascinating mess of an interview from ex-Suede darlings Bernard Butler and Brett Anderson. It seems as if they cannot go an interview without mentioning Morrissey, like some pre-puberty cum-a-thon, so here it is … I refuse to give the link to a Billy Sloan article _____________ FORMER Suede stars Bernard Butler and Brett Anderson have vowed not to perform their classic hits Animal Nitrate and Beautiful Ones again. They claim they don't want to ruin the band's legacy with sad cabaret-style versions of their songs - like Morrissey. Bernard and Brett have reunited to form a great new group called The Tears. Their single Refugees is released on April 25 as a taster for debut album, Here Come The Tears. And when they headline the X-Tent at T in the Park on July 10, don't expect a string of Suede hits. Bernard said: 'We don't want to be like bands who reform for arena tours and go through the motions to make piles of cash. They make no positive contribution to music whatsoever. You just think: 'Why the hell are you bothering?' 'I think Morrissey is completely sad for what he's done to The Smiths' songs. 'Do you really think his latest version of There Is A Light That Never Goes Out can compare with the original? 'It's dreadful. I learned to play a guitar strumming along to Smiths' records. They're close to my heart... but to hear Morrissey play his songs in that way is like a dreadful pub rock band. It's a joke.' _____________ I thought I’d give my two pence now for what it’s worth. I don’t know whether to believe the article being that Morrissey personally tore apart Sloan in his Paisley show in September of last year, so this may be divine justice on the part of Sloan, getting Butler and Anderson into a discussion of – ‘Oh, I hear you like Morrissey’ – ‘Have you heard the new single?’ Also, it really fucks me off that once again Butler and Anderson feel the need to namecheck every person who is remotely even connected to their music. Of course the story goes that Morrissey gave them a leg-up but do we really want this mud throwing in a public place? Well I’m unsure as to whether anyone actually reads Sloan’s bile never mind the public. These guys are reasonably talented and I’m looking forward to their new album but why can they not focus on this? What do they have to say as opposed to what some person they knew many years ago has to say? Last week they were falling over themselves to deliver the best compliment on Morrissey, now they’re finding ways in bring him down and for what? To promote their new album? I’d much rather they discuss its merits, give fans an ideas as to what they can expect and how they can progress on it but no, the album has been delayed so they can fag about giving pointless interviews and puffing their fucking egos until the album no longer matters. We know you use to be in a band called Suede, we know you kind of knew Morrissey and we know you love him but please for the love of God, concentrate on your album, which you actually spent some time making, and not dragging up the past like some perverted badge of honour. (Obviously Butler hasn’t stood with 2,000 singing their hearts out to it) --- DT - here is the link to the Sunday Mail article.
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Totally bored... (Score:1)
(User #8712 Info)
I agree to a degree .. (Score:0)
Though as a Smiths fan who wasn't old enough to appreciate them when they were still together I appreciate being able to hear Smiths songs live. Watered down versions of Smiths songs are still better than most anything else out there.
I agree with them (Score:0)
the butler did it? (Score:3, Interesting)
regardless of their little fueds, i'm still looking forward to the tears album.
(User #8691 Info)
Bernard has a valid point (Score:1, Insightful)
Well..... (Score:1)
It's really interesting (Score:1, Insightful)
Yet above is an interesting story about Sparks covering one of his songs. No one is interested in that it seems.
Maybe he just enjoys singing the songs that meant so much to him. Morrissey fans are so bitter and twisted.
Bernard's solo album was worse than Toploader (Score:0)
He is clearly a man for whom musical virtuousity is more important than genuine emotion.
The man is an utter fool. 'Refugees' sounds like Suede on auto-pilot. No-one cares anymore, Bernard.
Did Morrissey Deny Being Singer of the Smiths? (Score:1)
What sort of things did he have to say about the Smiths in the first 3 or so years after the break-up?
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Re:Did Morrissey Deny Being Singer of the Smiths? (Score:2, Interesting)
Morrissey talked plenty about The Smiths. Not as much as he would later-- nor as candidly-- but he wasn't mum about his former band.
The reason he may have seemed silent is that he didn't do too many interviews in the three years after "Strangeways". He only released one album and a few singles, and did not tour. His public profile was low.
When "Kill Uncle" was released and he began touring again, he didn't want to talk much about The Smiths, but his reluctance was never anything like a denial, even if meant only playfully. Many times he declared how passionately he loved The Smiths' back catalogue, even though he qualified those declarations with an equally vehement desire to move on from the past.
Also, he didn't start playing Smiths songs live in the mid-1990s. He started earlier. In his first show he played three tracks: "Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before", "Death At One's Elbow", and "Sweet And Tender Hooligan", the last of the three immortalized on the "Interesting Drug" single.
So while it's true he's not running around promoting The Smiths' back catalog, he has never even come close to disowning his work in that group. Both he and Marr have gone on record saying they regret the poor production values of the early records, but that's all. Like the rest of us, he knows The Smiths were the greatest band ever, and he also knows that it would be in extremely poor taste for him to say it, not to mention counterproductive to his current enterprise.
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I think they're missing the point (Score:0)
I do think Butler may have a point if he were to talk about "The Headmaster Ritual" which looked a bit embarrassing on the DVD, to be honest. It's the only low point in that the guitarists clearly can't play the song.
I think overall Morrissey's tongue-in-cheek Elvis-style comeback has been brilliant. The album is one of his best solo albums, the live shows have been better than I can remember, and he's embraced middle age without looking silly.
broken
Could see their point if that was all he was doing (Score:0)
But he is releasing new material (even if some of you don't like it - I love it so I'm OK) and playing small venues as well as big ones. So he's hardly behaving like the Rolling Stones is he?
Seems to me it's just a way of getting a few credibility points. "Look at us, we're not trying to make a comeback like Morrissey did, we're cooler than that"
the more you bore me, the iller I get (Score:1)
Frankly, The Tears stuff I've heard ranks all over You Are The Quarry...and I love that album. Brett and Bernard just have more passion, more fire, and better production. I'd love to hear Bernie twist Moz's knobs.
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This is just a stage (Score:0)
and another thing (Score:1, Interesting)
The Smiths were the first "indie" band but had their sights set a long, long way above the usual "indie" bar. They changed the way pop groups looked, sang, played and wrote lyrics, and they influenced a whole new generation of artists.
Who exactly thinks Suede can compare with the Smiths? Except, of course, pompous Butler and his notoriously overblown ego.
broken
i have a lot to say about this.... (Score:1)
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"pub rock band" (Score:3, Interesting)
From the absolute mash-up of "Suedehead" to the car-crash of "There Is A Light", his band has proven time and time again they just can't play with any verve or finesse.
All by design, of course. Morrissey is the main attraction and that's the way it must always be. He's got a point there. People still love hearing Smiths songs done by his plodding band because his voice sounds stronger and more vivid than ever. They're still recognizably Smiths-y. But let's face it-- his band has always been subpar. In many ways they've been perfect for him, but as far as musicianship goes, he could have done much, much better.
It will never happen, but I would love to hear Joyce, Rourke, and Vini Reilly play the songs off of "Viva Hate". They'd sound so amazing you'd never go back.
Or, if we're having our fantasies today, I would love to hear Johnny play any of Alain Whyte's songs. Any of them. Play a show full of Morrissey covers. It would be like Picasso painting in a Spongebob Squarepants coloring book.
I like Morrissey's band as people. I wish 'em the best. They've had a good run. Morrissey needs to put aside his ego and collaborate with a stallion again, though, and not raid the stables for plowhorses.
who's signing the paychecks. (Score:1)
do you think it was boz's idea (he being the leader of the band now that alain's out) to slow down "there is a light..." to a near-ballad? nope, morrissey had to instruct the band to take it down a couple notches. after all, who's signing the paychecks.
take a look at a couple of those old bootleg dvds from the 1991 "kill uncle" tour. no one can say that boz, alain & co. were slacking off -- morrissey's band was once an incredibly tight, well-oiled machine.
if you're going to say the backing band is subpar, first go to the source material: the songs. "you are the quarry" isn't a rocker and i'm sure that's by design. morrissey's no spring chicken -- he knows this and that's why "quarry" is for the most part, a down- to mid-tempo album. same with the older up-tempo tunes -- the music's slower because morrisey has decided to enter his final concert years with a bit of dignity as opposed to the mick jaggers and steven tylers of the world who refuse to realize that acting like a coked-up teenager at the age of 50 just looks pathetic.
me, i miss the old days when songs like "there is a light..." was a bouncy jangler and the set list wasn't full of torch songs. somewhere between the untitled 2002 tour and the "quarry" sessions, morrissey shifted gears from being a spry pop singer to a boarderline lounge act. i'm not complaining about it though, just reminiscing about the old days.
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At least AMorrissey doesn't stoop to.. (Score:0)
what??? (Score:0)
What? (Score:1)
Didn't Moz have some kind of problem with these guys a while back? Some of you clones have to remember the details on that.
I'm not even going to bother comparing these guys to Moz. Everytime I read about these acts who I haven't heard about since I was in high school shooting off, it's like a chihuahua nipping on the heels of a giant.
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Possibly unrelated, but... (Score:1, Interesting)
oh my... (Score:0)
you twat (Score:0)
what the fuck? (Score:0)
what happened to suede after those two albums? they became boring.
haven't listened to the tears bootlegs, but i am sure it will be far inferiour to quarry for example. let's see... and morrissey did very well without his old fellow johnny.
so now those two sicko's dissing morrissey for playing live old smths songs after years and years?
i think it's great that moz played them, it's part of his life and it's his FUCKING right to play them live AGAIN. i loved it. if they doesn't - well then. but they should at least accept that they are, compared to the smiths and AS WELL to morrissey: a nice nothing.
tears are falling, and that's what will happen to you. bastards.
Even though... (Score:1)
This interview totally pissed me off and it really is a waste of space on here.
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Oh come on, let the boy alone... (Score:0)
Now I´m happy.
well... (Score:1)
You here it time and time again about Morrissey needing to drop his generic playing band mates. Well I say that's bullshit! Sure it might sound a little more jive and what not but if it's not broke don't fix it. Morrissey did fine with his current band. No complaints here at least. Maybe Morrissey is just simplifying his music so people can feel and absorb it better, maybe he's over the hill? Who flippin knows!!?? Love him or leave him.
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Why am I supposed to care what these has-beens say (Score:1)
It's like they were trying to steal Morrissey's fans.
Suede had a few decent songs, but when all is said and done, they were just another overrated British band for the dustbin.
These are two has-beens (perhaps never-beens!) trying to use Morrissey once again to get in the spotlight. The reason they aren't playing old songs is because they're trying to start fresh with something new. Morrissey did that too, after The Smiths.
Brett, as much as you wish you WERE Morrissey, you are not. Not even close. Give it up, boy.
You're all style and no substance and your lyrics were never very interesting. Morrissey, either solo or with the Smiths, has so many more great songs than you it's not even funny. You're avergae. Just another. Do you understand? Fashion boy.
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oh yeah, take this bernard and brett! (Score:1)
here's the link to the full article (it's hilarious):http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2792
Breaking up the bad-record juggernaut known as Suede must have taken quite an emotional toll on lead singer Brett Anderson, who had been happily stuck on auto-pilot for nearly ten years. Whenever he ran low on funds for foppish haircuts, crack, and designer jeans, he could just slap together another by-the-numbers Suede single and sell a modest number of copies. Amazingly, even after descending so far into self-parody that Aerosmith looked like avant-garde geniuses in comparison, Brett Anderson’s atrophied artistic conscience took momentarily took over and caused him to break up the band. Predictably, the weight of not knowing where his next paycheck would come from broke Anderson almost instantly, and he phoned up Suede’s critically-beloved original guitarist, Bernard Butler, with whom he’d had a well-publicized falling-out ten years earlier. “My career is dead,” said Anderson to Butler, “and getting back together with you is the only way the media will ever pay attention to either of us again.” “I agree,” replied Butler, “let’s make an album before the last of our former fans forget who we are.” Well, that wasn’t the exact conversation, but that was surely the subtext of it. Actually, for all I know, that was the exact conversation, so let’s make things simple and assume that it was. So anyway, Anderson and Butler are back together and calling themselves “The Tears,” which is the band name equivalent of how bad “Emoh” is as an album title. If I sound a little pissed off, it’s because their single is decidedly catchy and I desperately wanted it to be an appalling failure.
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So the problem (Score:0)
On that one, he's not totally wrong but I can't see the link wetween this and the fact that anderson and him won't perform Suede songs anymore - I bet they will in case of lack of success
Suede(head) (Score:2, Insightful)
For that reason I like hearing Smiths songs and also older Moz songs mixed in with the new.
Suede: I bought their first single because Moz talked about them. I like Suede. They have always thrown Moz's name about to generate publicity for themselves. As we all know, however, Morrissey operates in a different stratosphere to Suede, who are after all a merely a 'pub rock band' imitation of The Smiths.
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I have been saying this on this site for months (Score:1)
I was just cringing at earls court when the keyboards, extra guitar and drum loops were brought in to replicate Johnny Marrs guitar parts. What WERE you thinking. as a fan i will be critical, and i'm certainly not going to pay £17 odd quid for a live video which is guilty of the same charges. In a nutshell - solo stuff is great, please keep it coming. Moz is getting like any other old timer, trotting out the hits from their former band. Brett and Bernard have a point, i just hope they can stick to it. It must have been hard for moz to resist at first, maybe the urge got just too strong.
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The Tears (Score:0)
Bernard Butler REPLIES to this! (Score:1, Insightful)
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right.......let's sort this out straight away,and feel free to copy it as im sure you will.
what the journo left out: the queen is dead still rules my life.I listen to the smiths daily still.I love lots of Morrissey's solo records.........i have cried my way through over 20 years of his incarnations and feel very qualified to know when morrissey is on form.........and yes i presumed every line of the queen is dead was addressed personally to me
i admit i was naively goaded into a rage by the lovely journalist by his suggestion that i was wasting my time with brett unless we just reformed suede and played old songs.......he admitted of course that he had yet to hear our record......in any case i only wrote one of the quoted songs and have never performed either
i dont think morrissey is sad for playing smiths songs......he should be proud of them and enjoy sharing them with so many fans.......i just dont like the versions im hearing.......and the idea that they have been creatively given a new lease of life is absurd......i saw johnny transform those beautiful records into live beasts .......they are the reason i exist.......but now they sound to me like poetry readings against an overmodest backdrop,too shy to break free ......i know alan and boz and it was me that put little barrie up for the job last year.......they are all great musicians but pop records are not about poetry,they are exhilarating moments of abandon and beauty and i am not alone in still waiting for morrissey to surprise me and put himself inthe centre of some musical danger again ,not just lyrical danger......this is a genuine creative enthusiasm of a fan
by having a musical opinion am i somehow spoiling the fun? well im sorry but since when did Morrissey worry about that....and the idea that what i do creatively correlates to the amount of people watching? well how come i happily turned down the offer to join the Moz in favour of playing to a few hundred like i did last night?
i think its a shame that i rose to the occasion.....i dont think he's sold out,and certainly not sad..... but also a shame that so many people arent willing to be turned on by a hardcore creative standoff: if the songs i play tonight are shite then shoot me down ..... i'drather see an artist playing russian roulette with their music than getting the pipe and slippers out and living through nostalgia.........it doesnt bother me that by thetime the tears get round to learning a suede song there might only be 3 people propping upthe bar .......fuck it maybe ill learn one for tonight.......or maybe ill write something new......
and dont forget morrissey and marr taught me everything i know so don't blame me.......they remain the greatest british group and the queen is dead my favourite record of all time......my apologies for any other sentiments......wet plimsoll duly administered
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SHAME on you to those here who critised Bernard! SHAME ON YOU
What annoys me is... (Score:1)
Ok, so they were special to you when you were young Bernard - they're probably a tad more special to Morrissey and if he feels he wants to sing them in front of his fans, do you really think he has to answer to you?
Fucking lemon.
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The Tears ? (Score:1)
Wankers !
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your two pence isn't even worth that much. (Score:0)
I'd rather Moz only play Smiths songs that The Smiths never played live. No memories to tarnish that way.
are The Tears as good as Suede? (Score:0)
The songs just don't seem to have the same energy or ambition as the original suede albums (or as they're called out here "the london suede). When I was a teenager I was listening to Suede with the same feelings maybe Bernard had about the Smiths, maybe I'm just getting old!
I'd rather have "stay together" type songs or something that sounds like the coming up era, but that's just me. I was so jazzed to hear about them reuniting.
Dear Bernie (Score:0)
that is what the audience wants - and what will u say then?