"Morrissey comments spark Bush fire" - Manchester Online, update on Bush Remark
posted by davidt on Thursday June 10 2004, @08:00AM

YourInvalidFriend writes:

Morrissey comments spark Bush fire - Manchester Online

The follow up on the Moz death for Bush remark.

Its also on Drudgereport under the heading

"UPDATE: Morrissey comments spark Bush fire..."


Excerpt:

Record numbers of internet users in America contacted our website to complain about the 45-year-old singer's comments.

However, there were also some messages of support for Morrissey.

The story has been viewed nearly 500,000 times in just 24 hours.

ManchesterOnline editor Sarah Hartley, said: "We have never had such a response to a single item before.

"It says a lot about news in the 21st century that something said in Ireland and reported in Manchester is now big news in Washington."

Update: 06/10 20:56 GMT: An anonymous person writes:

The Bush comment story has now been picked up by major US media and is appearing on the front page of the MSNBC website (under the Entertainment section).
The coming days should now signal whether this may have professional repurcussions in the US. Judging by the comments on this board, it may be a hot button issue, the kind that gets CD's pulled from the shelves of Wal-Mart. Then again, it just may be taking as an errant comment from an eccentric Englishman.

MSNBC / AP

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An anonymous person writes:

The Associated Press has picked up the story of last weekend's Morrissey gig and the infamous Reagan / Bush "Wish he'd died instead" line. For a while the story was a featured headline on Yahoo, which means it will get significant play in this country.

Link to AP story

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    Tired of this! (Score:0)
    Get it straight, Morrissey said nothing negative about Reagan. His negative comment was directed towards Bush. Get Over It! Stop trying to spark a fire!
    Anonymous -- Thursday June 10 2004, @08:04AM (#109827)
    Matt (Score:0)
    Matt Drudge is just stirring up trouble again.

    Matt needs to go lie down for awhile and quit dreaming of being in Bush's cabinet (the most corrupt in US history btw).
    Anonymous -- Thursday June 10 2004, @08:11AM (#109829)
    shut up - its a funeral (Score:0)
    How would you like it if Americans upon hearing about the death of Wiston Churchill had said the Queen should have died and not Churchill. Thats right, I dont expect you to get it.
    Anonymous -- Thursday June 10 2004, @08:16AM (#109830)
    oops! won´t go away... (Score:1)
    now it´s the top item in the internet edition of Norway´s largest newspaper. So pretty much doing the rounds everywhere, this story, I suspect.
    Asshole -- Thursday June 10 2004, @08:17AM (#109831)
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      Conservative (Score:0)
      What the MEN fails to mention is that the Drudge report is a conservative newsletter, the kind with readers that would indeed become outraged by Morrissey's remark. I'm surprised that he even picked the story up; Morrissey is barely known in America, not like the popular Dixie Chicks who caused a storm by saying they were ashamed of Bush.

      They also don't say that they twisted Morrissey's words a bit so it sounds like he said that he wished Bush was dead. A small point, perhaps, but it does make a difference.
      Anonymous -- Thursday June 10 2004, @08:39AM (#109837)
        from the frying pan into the fire... (Score:1)
        and crazy now that the furor over the finsbury park ordeal had finally died down after 10 years...

        he just can't keep his nose out of trouble! :^P
        suzanne -- Thursday June 10 2004, @08:40AM (#109838)
        (User #36 Info | http://www.myspace.com/snootywriter )
        I scare dead people.
        fuck drudge (Score:0)
        He's trying to stir the shit the same way they made a big deal about what the dixie chicks said... He is a conservative lackey working for his political agenda. If you pay close attention to his website, he virtually posts valentines to all things republican, and takes digs at democrats as often as he can. Drudge wants to be the modern Walter Winchell, but he isn't a true journalist... just a cog in the conservative party's machinery.
        Anonymous -- Thursday June 10 2004, @08:44AM (#109840)
        Right on dude, ritgh on (Score:0)
        Remember how they crucified Dixie chicks for excersising their freedom of speech?

        thanks for having balls to say it, I'll actually go out and buy your cd now
        Anonymous -- Thursday June 10 2004, @09:01AM (#109848)
          I can't help the way I feel (Score:1)
          Morrissey always has a way of giving word to what we all feel but are too scared to say out loud. He's never failed to do that with his music, and he always gets shanked for it. I see this as a sign that he's still holding up to his own honest standards and I love it.
          New York Doll <new0york0doll@hotmail.com> -- Thursday June 10 2004, @09:10AM (#109852)
          (User #230 Info)
          Give a man a mask and he will tell you the truth
            *yawn* (Score:0)
            Morrissey, says something about a politician, big deal. Though I'm sure he can't stand Regan either. "Margaret on the chopping block's" best pal in politics was Regan. But you can't always get two birds with one stone.
            Anonymous -- Thursday June 10 2004, @09:15AM (#109853)
              I Am Legend (Score:0)
              It seems that Ireland is more the land of free speech than America is. It is refreshing to hear the Moz saying what he thinks instead of those empty headed popstars who only say what they think everyone wants to hear.

              ACTON
              Anonymous -- Thursday June 10 2004, @09:24AM (#109854)
              Offer suggestions or shut up! (Score:1)
              Wishing someone was dead is neither productive nor practical. Bush is the president whether anyone likes it or not. You see, in the USA we have this thing every 4 years called an election. By virtue of the electorial college, under the present system--which is still the best and fairest system in the world, Bush won the election fair and square. However, he cannot remain the president forever, he must again win in another election to retain his position. This again, happens every 4 years and he can only remain in office 2 terms. So if everyone hates the president, if he is an evil president, guess what, you can vote for someone else to take his place!!!! How awesome is that? The question becomes, if Bush is so horrendous as Morrissey says, why is he probably going to win again and get another 4 years? Are Americans that stupid to elect such a bad person--twice?

              My advice to all the disgruntled Bush-haters is; offer suggestions to make our great country even better or just shut up and accept how things are.

              Moz, you make a great living in a beautiful city here in the USA. I guess if you are that unhappy, there is no law saying you cannot return to England. Afterall, it is a free country!
              Robert Jakob -- Thursday June 10 2004, @09:27AM (#109856)
              (User #10000 Info)
              It takes strength to be gentle and kind.
              bush (Score:0)
              is it true that Bush has said that the Iraq war was begun by an act of terrorism? IE: 9/11

              If most Americans believe that the war on Iraq is due to this then something is very wrong.

              Bush doesn't know his arse from his elbow.

              Reagan was a puppet for rich right wing men who wanted to get richer.

              Clinton was the only President in recent years who is even worth an ounce of respect. (his sexual appetites are not important.)
              Anonymous -- Thursday June 10 2004, @09:44AM (#109864)
              • Re:bush by Robert Jakob (Score:1) Thursday June 10 2004, @09:53AM
                • Re:bush by carnall (Score:1) Thursday June 10 2004, @09:59AM
                  • Re:bush by nonesoever (Score:1) Thursday June 10 2004, @10:47AM
                    • Re:bush by I am human (Score:1) Thursday June 10 2004, @12:36PM
                      • Re:bush by Robert Jakob (Score:0) Thursday June 10 2004, @01:27PM
                    get over it (Score:2, Informative)
                    Just as many of you use the internet as your vehicle for your opinions, morrissey used his stage. Is he wrong? who cares, its his opinion.
                    S_H_C -- Thursday June 10 2004, @09:53AM (#109869)
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                    Right on, Morrissey (Score:0)
                    I agree with him about Bush. The only thing about his comment I would have changed is instead of saying *instead* of Reagan, I would have said *as well as* Reagan.

                    Anyone who supports either one of those idiots clearly knows nothing about politics, America, or what a hapless moron (Reagan) or a fundamentalist madman (Bush) is.

                    My advice to you Reagan / Bush fans and apologists is: Get a clue and find the facts out for yourself. It is a well known fact that the PR people in the White House use the golden rule "if you tell people that something is the truth long enough and with enough conviction, they will believe the most outrageous lies." This is the basis of the Republican party...the Democrats are too wishy-washy to even go that far, but all politicians use that tactic to some degree or another. Their PR people are well trained in the use of it. It's called wagging the dog, and most of them will admit not only using it but that it has fantastic success, especially in this country, where we are, as a people, too damned lazy to ever to anything for ourselves if it requires putting down the remote and getting up off the couch and finding out the uncomfortable truth about something we believed in.

                    Don't believe what anyone tells you without checking it out for YOURSELVES...including people like me, who tell you that what you believe is wrong. I don't want you to believe me because I want to be right. I want you to understand for yourselves that you are wrong. It has nothing to do with me, and everything to do with *thinking for yourselves*.

                    Stop being mindless victims of propaganda and rhetoric, and discover for your own knowlege the unbelievably harmful practices and policies these men put into effect. People who believe either of them were/are good for this country are as mindless and infantile as the rest of the Republican party. Well, wake up! Snap out of it! Remember this: they don't want to lead. They want to *RULE*.

                    Ketchup is a vegetable, indeed.

                    Good riddance to bad rubbish. The brouhaha over Reagan's death is nauseating and shows how many people in this beknighted country are misled and easily brainwashed into believing a useless, incompetent, stammering fool who *already had Alzheimers when he was elected* was a "great man." Feh. It makes me insane.

                    And he was a freakin' lousy actor, too.

                    That being said, like Morrissey, that courageous dude (and I'm not even a big Morrissey fan, but now I respect the hell out of him for having the balls to speak his mind and in front of a large audience to boot!), I too wish Bush, as well as Reagan, was stuffed into a wooden box in the rotunda in Washington DC right now. The world would be a much better place without him. I can't *wait* until November so we can toss Bush, that inbred, coke sniffing, beer swilling, racist, sexist, xenophobic piece of garbage out of office at last.

                    Flame away. I won't be back, and you won't make any kind of sense if you disagree with me, so I don't care either way.

                    Perilous
                    Anonymous -- Thursday June 10 2004, @10:09AM (#109878)
                    he wished the queen dead so many times, so what? (Score:0)
                    how come that some of you so-called smiths/morrissey fans are so insulted now and have never had a problem with the lines 'her very Lowness with her head in a sling/I'm truely sorry - but it sounds like a wonderful thing' ?

                    p.s. excuse my english, it's not everybody's mother tongue, you know.
                    Anonymous -- Thursday June 10 2004, @10:14AM (#109879)
                    God Bless Moz and Regan (Score:0)
                    G. W. Bush needs to F-off and go to hell for negelecting Americas needs, for bullying smaller nations because he as a leader does not have the fortitude to take on larger enemies.

                    Moz is an artist, and his opinion is his, he may express it any way he likes, if neo cons dont like it dont listen.
                    Anonymous -- Thursday June 10 2004, @10:26AM (#109882)
                    There is no such thing as bad press! (Score:0)
                    This "Bush Fire" thing is great press. Any news about Morrissey these days can only help him. Yes, it's true I think Bush is a fool but Moz has the right to say want he wants. Rememeber, Morrissey is liberal. Look at all of his views over the years. "We won't vote conservative... because we never have...". Conservative Morrissey fans who like Bush need to understand that most of the world does not see things the way they do. Kerry has a better chance than what people think. It's looking like election 1992 all over again!
                    texasbloke -- Thursday June 10 2004, @10:32AM (#109884)
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                      Bush should have died indeed (Score:0)
                      well, it's gonna happen some day.

                      And we want the day to come sooner !
                      Anonymous -- Thursday June 10 2004, @11:10AM (#109903)
                        Now its on MSN.com (Score:1)
                        Now it is a headline on MSN.com in the entertainment section. Okay now I am gettin scared.
                        cbmoz -- Thursday June 10 2004, @11:24AM (#109907)
                        (User #10445 Info)
                          brilliant comment (Score:1)
                          While in office Reagan caused great harm to people around the world in countries such as Nicaguara, El Salvador, Grenada, etc...he supported apartheid, Saddam, the Khmer Rouge, Iran-Contra etc. His domestic policies only caused the poor to become poorer...he was a hack...

                          However bad Reagan was, he was no longer in office, thus he no longer poised a threat...Bush is know the great threat and may turn out to be worse than Reagan(he's got a good start)...so what is better for the world the death of Bush or the death of an old ex-prez, who no longer had much influence....Brilliant and ballsy comment from the Mozzer...at least he has the guts to say what many of use are thinking...
                          defari -- Thursday June 10 2004, @11:36AM (#109913)
                          (User #10050 Info)
                            the controversy (Score:1)
                            this comment did not bother me, even though it was a bit callous toward people who Reagan may have been very important to, we don’t have the right to choose whether these people are decent or not . . . bush however . . . is alive and can defend himself, so moz, give him your worst . . . and further . . . . i give no special allegiance to a country simply because i was born there. i am neither proud nor ashamed to be an american, because i know it was something that came about by chance. what does make me feel sad and ashamed is that people do judge me on the actions of others who truly have nothing to do with me. i wish more people felt this way, maybe then all of these ridiculous comments would not be necessary. attack the person if you must, not the people.
                            seeing_red -- Thursday June 10 2004, @12:11PM (#109922)
                            (User #10340 Info)
                            So Much For Eluding The Mainstream Media... (Score:0)
                            In addition to msn.com, Moz's Bush remark is now being included as one of the 5 headlines on the Yahoo.com homepage:

                            http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040610/ap_en_mu/people_morrissey_3

                            I like how the writer cites "Bigmouth..." as a representative song title...
                            Anonymous -- Thursday June 10 2004, @12:51PM (#109936)
                              Ha Ha (Score:1)
                              This is wonderfully funny.

                              Now we're seeing just how ugly these mindless jingoist neocon sheep are with those comments on M.E.N.

                              Best comment so far:
                              Morrissey obviously has no idea what's going on. If Bush died, Cheney would be president. And that would be truly scary.
                                Satori, Sacramento
                                08/06/2004 at 00:00
                              PaulC -- Thursday June 10 2004, @01:16PM (#109942)
                              (User #3907 Info)
                              • Re:Ha Ha by Lon (Score:1) Thursday June 10 2004, @01:23PM
                                • Re:Ha Ha by PaulC (Score:1) Thursday June 10 2004, @01:27PM
                                  • Re:Ha Ha by Lon (Score:1) Thursday June 10 2004, @01:32PM
                                    • Re:Ha Ha by PaulC (Score:1) Thursday June 10 2004, @01:34PM
                                      • Re:Ha Ha by Lon (Score:1) Thursday June 10 2004, @01:38PM
                                        • Re:Ha Ha by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday June 10 2004, @08:36PM
                                Okay, let me be the first to do it.... (Score:0)
                                Decreed:

                                Morrissey's comments about President Bush -- a man who is actively prosecuting a legal war against terrorist insurgents in Iraq after having removed a brutal dictator -- can only serve to increase the morale of terrorists and strengthen their will to fight.

                                Therefore, I actively call on any and all people who possess sufficient will and bravery, to assasinate Morrissey if/when possible. Such an act would be considered a public service. He has damaged the warfighting effort for Americans on the ground in Iraq and he must be rendered incapable of doing so again.

                                I call on the conscience of all patriotic Americans to do whatever is necessary to permanently incapacitate Stephen Patrick Morrissey.
                                Anonymous -- Thursday June 10 2004, @01:20PM (#109945)
                                Ray Charles Just Passed Away But I Wished... (Score:0)
                                Ray Charles just passed away but I wished it was Morrissey instead.
                                Anonymous -- Thursday June 10 2004, @01:26PM (#109949)
                                Come back to Camden Moz! (Score:0)
                                I am a huge Moz fan and quite frankly I think he should move back to England immediately! Seriously, I don't think there's ever been a time when he's been more in danger of assassination. Forget Mike Joyce (who Moz has previously cited as his potential murderer), these right-wing jingoists posting here are SERIOUSLY scary people - taking Moz's CDs to the dumpster, threatening to punch him and hurling some terrible abuse at him.

                                I mean, think of Lennon's "bigger than Jesus" comments - the Beatles received death threats. Lennon apologised, but Moz never will! Seriously, he should leave the US before some seriously wrong-in-the-head patriot takes a pot shot at him, especially since knowledge of his comments is becoming ever more widespread. People who are not Moz's fans but ARE Republican fanatics will be reading this story on the various websites. Some have visited this site already to wish for Moz's death.

                                Personally, though his comments might be regarded as vaguely tasteless, I support his right to speak his mind. I too would like to see Mr Bush out of office (though not dead). This is a man under whose governorship in Texas executions reached record rates. "Bring em in, strap em down, and let's rock n roll" - though not a quote from Bush (some other idiot made that comment), this was his attitude, since stays were never granted even when new evidence suggested they should be. Just not politically viable and not conjunctive with his fundamantalist outlook. As for Mr Reagan, his treatment of AIDS victims was abhorrent, as were his wars.
                                Anonymous -- Thursday June 10 2004, @01:26PM (#109950)
                                Quit the Bullshit!! (Score:1)
                                As an american I am not mad at what morrissey has said about bush. And i don't mean to be on the fence here, but both sides are making good arguments. I did not vote for bush, but i was supportive of his declaration of war against iraq and was glad he was going to take saddam down since i did believe that they had wmd's. I mean, what is the American public supposed to think when saddam refuses to allow U.N. inspectors into some facilities that have the potential to be wmd assembly sites. And it is also obvious that saddam hates america. That's a given. So do you really expect Americans not to be worried that saddam might seize the opportunity to lend a small helping hand to any organization willing to terrorize America, especially after 9/11? C'mon! Also, any person or regime that kills his own to maintain power and rapes women is better gone. And, true, many americans pretend to give a shit about iraqis as a way of justifying the war, but I and many americans were already aware of saddam's notoriety as a butcher. We did not discover that afterwards.

                                What does dissapoint me about bush, though, is that as a leader he failed to do his job. If he was not sure about his ability to keep order after saddam was out of power he should have not started the war. Thus, in a way, I totally understand the anti-bush sentiment. If he was going to sells us the war then he should have made sure he had all the bases covered. And at one point I must admit that i started to believe the reasoning that bush's agenda was only for oil. But to be honest, i don't know, but it sure doesn't seem that way, a gallon of gas is at times nearly $3.00. As far as stealing the oil goes, securing a source and better prices seems more accurate. And is that really bad? Maybe under a new power the Iraqis and not Saddam's palaces will see some of that money.

                                As far as Morrissey's comments go, I am not disappointed at what he said, but more at the fact that he said it, since his rants and image are getting old and tired. Indeed, it does now seem as if he is using the same shock techniques as marylin manson or madonna. Let us just hope it doesn't go beyond that. And please don't give me that "Morrissey has always said what he feels/ this is nothing new" bullshit. If he really wants to achieve the fame in America that has eluded him then he must just learn to keep quiet. That whole racist thing had just died. Did you really need this? Part of growing old and maturing is learning that, sure, you can say or do something that people will accept or that you can get away with, but why? Especially if what you say might keep you from achieving greater things. Morrissey says he wants new things (i.e. american sales, dismissal of his racist and depressed image, and most importantly, the recognition he deserves as a true artist) but he is never going to get it this way, and quite frankly it appears that this was his only and last shot.

                                P.s. Quit all the name calling bullshit (i.e. the british with bad teeth, Fat Americans)and the use of the past to establish your country as superior (e.g. An American regarding the French: "We saved your asses") It's so fifth grade.
                                Glory Hole -- Thursday June 10 2004, @01:29PM (#109954)
                                (User #9257 Info)
                                "I tried living in the real world, instead of a shell, but before I began, I was bored before I even began!"
                                now, it's on yahoo news (Score:1)
                                they say that most of the emails in response were 'negative', but they fail to take into account that the first general website to break the story was matt drudge...a man whose readership encompasses most regular Fox news watchers, who in turn think that Bill O'Reilly is telling it like it is. we know what sort of insular right wing nuts are clinging to his every last word in hopes that he can make it all go away...if it was first posted on a hippie website, things would be different.

                                not only that, i have to wonder how many "boos" were made by audience members that night in ireland. probably none.

                                that being said, i wouldn't be too surprised if he got pulled over (again) by INS on his way into the US for another chat. i don't know what the laws are in England, but any sort of threat against the president, whether specific or vague tends to get scrutinzed just a tiny bit. if they can't find WMDs and if they can't figure out if the terrorists are about to attack, i do know at least they have the art of investigating threats against the president down to a science.

                                not that moz threatened the prez, but they generally don't look at that distinction too closely when the words "death" and "president" are in the same sentence....
                                suzanne -- Thursday June 10 2004, @01:47PM (#109965)
                                (User #36 Info | http://www.myspace.com/snootywriter )
                                I scare dead people.
                                Alas, poor Morrissey... (Score:2, Interesting)
                                Will you never be happy? You were miserable in England, and now you're miserable here in the States. While I once felt sympathy for you constant feel of "outsiderness", I now feel pity. Your exile from humanity is self-imposed, don't you know that? We're all here, arms open, waiting to embrace you, but time after time, you turn us away. You wished Margaret beheaded, now you want Bush to follow suit... How often have I listened to your music, feeling at home with your struggles? How many years have I thought of you as the one who really knows how we feel? Times change, though. People change. Well... most of us, anyway. I still love you, old friend, but your music says less and less to me about my life...
                                Reaver -- Thursday June 10 2004, @01:58PM (#109970)
                                (User #11614 Info)
                                A warning for Morrissey.... (Score:1, Interesting)
                                ANY threats implied, hinted at, wished for, about the U.S. president in such a public venue WILL rouse the attention of the FBI and CIA. THIS IS NOT A JOKE. Those agencies kept detailed files on John Lennon and they made his life hell. Yoko couldn't get custody back of her own child while the Lennons were living in New York. Those agencies will, in the least, seek to inconvenience Morrissey's career in any way possible. We take this seriously in America, especially post-9/11. Example: any U.S. government employee who utters even a hope of the president's injury is immediately fired, investigated, and sometimes jailed.

                                Another warning: you've bitten off alot, can you chew it? The Dixie Chicks were banned from many radio stations and their album sales PLUMMETED overnight. They still are not played on many stations and their sales have not recovered.
                                Copeland -- Thursday June 10 2004, @01:59PM (#109971)
                                (User #1426 Info)
                                Damn you CNN! (Score:1)
                                What's this? Britney's knee surgery gets a top stories slot but Moz's comments don't? ARGH!
                                PaulC -- Thursday June 10 2004, @02:17PM (#109983)
                                (User #3907 Info)
                                Just Kill Me (Score:1)
                                First, Moz was simply running off at the mouth for fun. I'm sure he also believes what he said, but I can't believe how much press this flippant comment is getting him. Kind of cool to see Mozzer's name all over the place, though.

                                Second, isn't it ironic to hear the peace-loving, tolerance-endorcing liberals on this board show so much intolerance and violent hatred toward people who believe a little differently? According to some of you, I should die a horribly painful death just because I believe that Bush is a good president and a decent guy who is trying to make the world a better place.

                                Why don't you just kill me since I believe in fighting for freedom from terrorists, tyrants, and the oppression of socialism?
                                everdene -- Thursday June 10 2004, @03:02PM (#109993)
                                (User #4392 Info)
                                Easy driving a jag in LA, could he lead a country? (Score:1)
                                First off, the name calling is just hilariously childish, it kinda brings some amusement into my day. On a more serious note though, had Morrisseys comments been said a month ago (they were essentially at a concert I attended in Harlem) there would be little controversy. His timing was just very, very bad. Did he think because he was in a European country that it wouldnt travel the net? He has, I agree with many become sort of silly and less respectable, joining the likes of the Janets, the Courtneys...and although Americans may be alot of the things so many lovely people have pointed out, one thing we are not is sheepish enough to have the wool pulled over our eyes. I mean the people in this country who had been fans of the Mozzer considered it(being his fan) and him a privledge because of his uniqueness and ability to stand outside the circle of Britneys etc with class and dignity. My point is, no American fan of Morrisseys would go out and buy Limp Biscuit as well, so therefore all the Brits etc who are lumping us in with the "fat american" stereotype are so far of mark. I think many of his American fans are somewhat dignified regardless of their party affiliation. I also think, no I know, His American fanbase was his core the last ten years and now he has alienated a considerable portion of them,just like when he threatened to sue DavidT when its been Davids hard work that has kept his name alive. Today I can assure you, his recent remarks and the such will strip him of alot of that esteem that his fans held him in. Alot. Though it probably in the end is not justified, (I mean cmon its just silly remarks from a popstar at a concert trying excite the crowd) ultimately it will cause him a good deal of respect lost. He always wants to have his cake and eat it too, I mean really, if you want to talk about hipocrits, he is a multi-millionaire living in our most plastic American city driving around in his Jag because his own European country couldnt really stand him anymore and he bashes our President? So hollywood chic...He is becoming LA, its undoubtable. I think indeed he should move back to old Blighty because, if anything else his Art and Character are suffering. He is no longer an enigma. The attraction does fade....heaven knows Im miserable now.
                                giant -- Thursday June 10 2004, @03:16PM (#109995)
                                (User #430 Info)
                                I Like You
                                News item beating YATQ... (Score:1)
                                This news item is currently at #4 in the most emailed news stories in Yahoo.

                                Let's keep it going people, lets support Mozz at least in this chart...

                                Puggy -- Thursday June 10 2004, @03:24PM (#109996)
                                (User #11339 Info)
                                  Things We Said Today (Score:1)
                                  This is all too damn funny.

                                  Reagan was not bloody saint. Bush I & II are no better. The joke is getting old, really.

                                  Is this going to hurt Morrissey?

                                  Depends ...in the states.
                                  There are many conservative copmanies (i.e. Clear Channel) who are weary of any *ahem* "anti-american" b.s.

                                  I think all of this backlash is pure rubbish.

                                  Of course, the price of being celebrity. Wild.
                                  Davy_Havok -- Thursday June 10 2004, @03:28PM (#109997)
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                                  Actions speak louder than words... (Score:1)
                                  Morrissey just should have sent George a bag of pretzels. In fact, lets all send pretzels to the president! I'm sure eventually he will choke...again..

                                  Deb of the mad mad Cuban cabaillo car.
                                  Maplefreak -- Thursday June 10 2004, @03:43PM (#110002)
                                  (User #1234 Info)
                                  And the songs we sing, they're not supposed to mean a thing...
                                  Lucky Ray Charles Died (Score:0)
                                  He's lucky Ray Charles died right as this got picked up by the wire services (AP). It's pushed it off the top page on the big sites (except BBC). Perhaps the story will slip away but when he comes back to tour or do the Kilborn show, it's going to come back.
                                  Of course, given the tenor of Madonna's new tour, maybe he can join her on its next leg.
                                  Anonymous -- Thursday June 10 2004, @04:18PM (#110013)
                                    Damn you Ray Charles!!!! (Score:2, Funny)
                                    Morrissey is never getting to #1 on Yahoo now that Ray Charles has died... What does Mozz need to do to be #1??? Die? It's so hard being Morrissey.
                                    Puggy -- Thursday June 10 2004, @04:50PM (#110026)
                                    (User #11339 Info)
                                    I know it's over... (Score:0)
                                    The story is on the Yahoo main page! For all the millions of people worldwide who had never heard of Morrissey, this shameful publicity stunt will be their first introduction. I also expect that thousands of Americans, many of whom had family members in the WTC on Sept. 11 and who wish to stand by their wartime president, are throwing out all of their Morrissey music as I type this. My Morrissey albums went into the dumpster last night. I went back to the dumpster this morning to poke my head in and spit on those CD's.

                                    Morrissey, I Know It's Over....for you
                                    Anonymous -- Thursday June 10 2004, @05:12PM (#110029)
                                    I agree (Score:1)
                                    Bush has been a four-year nightmare. I feel sorry for Nancy Reagan, sort of, but Reagan was no hero... go read this article if you don't remember any of his atrocities (Bush's might be crowding them out of your mind, there are so many fresh ones!) 66 (Unflattering) Things About Ronald Reagan [alternet.org].

                                    Julia Ziobro
                                    Bellevue, WA
                                    Al Gore in 2004! Bring some sanity back to American government.

                                    JuliaZ -- Thursday June 10 2004, @05:54PM (#110041)
                                    (User #11620 Info)
                                    • Re:I agree by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday June 10 2004, @07:43PM
                                      • Re:I agree by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday June 11 2004, @03:59PM
                                        George the 23. Oi! Mate! (Score:0)
                                        George 23rd, I saw you at the BNP rally. What they said was spot on. Glad that you agree. See you at the Brutal Attack & Legion of St. George show!

                                                                                        Cheers & Oi!
                                                                                                                                                    Danny.
                                        Anonymous -- Thursday June 10 2004, @08:13PM (#110059)
                                          george wmd bush dead? (Score:0)
                                          oh, how I wish it is true!
                                          Anonymous -- Thursday June 10 2004, @08:18PM (#110060)
                                            Moz still has the power to evoke a response (Score:1)
                                            I find it completely amusing that people react so strongly to Morrissey expressing his opinion. If you don't like what he has to say don't buy the cd. If you think angry diatribes will change his mind or teach him a lesson you are sadly mistaken. His political views shouldn't surprise anyone that has listened to any Morrissey music. He has continuously talked about racism, classism and especially homophobia ( both internal and external). Common sense would then see that these views are consistent with who he is. So, deal with it or don't but PLEASE be quiet or go away
                                            oval -- Thursday June 10 2004, @08:19PM (#110062)
                                            (User #11612 Info)
                                              All politicians are stupid!!! (Score:1)
                                              Clinton was too and Reagan and Carter and Nixon and so forth. There is no difference between them, they all advance corporate agendas in the end. You people who vote as if it really mattered are amusing at best. Kurds will still die under U.S. made weaponry, Indian villagers will still be lined up and shot by U.S. trained death squads all along Latin America, Palestinians will still see their groves, homes and lives demolished by U.S. backed Israeli's(a majority of which are of Eastern European descent). The world was horrible before Bush came to power and it will be long after his own funeral procession. Moz of all people should realize this as well as the futility of getting wrapped up in it. I voted Nader in 2000, Kerry is a moron who cant do ANY better or worse than Bush. In the end they are both tired old rich white men whose tired rich white parties provide a good economic balance for each other, to their own advantage. And to quote Moz..."never black, female or gay". Why am I wasting my time on you people? Youre probably a bunch of tired old goons anyway. I shall return to the ever more important task of staring at the wall, listening to Mogwai.
                                              ILOVEKC -- Thursday June 10 2004, @09:55PM (#110079)
                                              (User #10377 Info)
                                                Mass Murderers Should Be Criticised! (Score:0)
                                                What a strange, strange world we live in...

                                                A singer/songwriter makes a public comment in a modern, western democratic country; Does he have a right to do this? Erm, let me think about that one for two seconds...you know last time I looked, free speech was still valued and promoted on that side of the world. So the answer would have to be "yes" to that one then.

                                                Said singer expresses exactly the feelings of millions globally (check those polls on just how many millions view George W. Bu(ll)sh(it) as the most dangerous man on Earth, if you doubt the massive popularity of said singer's sentiments).

                                                He says publicly what many, many of us say to each other all the time anyway - AND gets a massive cheer from his audience (which just might indicate agreement).

                                                Could anyone truly debate that the world would be infinitely safer and more peaceful if Bush didn't exist? The man is an unconvicted mass murderer. He's just killed more than 10,000 innocent civilians for NO GOOD REASON. For fuck's sake! Who needs any more justification than that??? Have YOU killed anyone lately? No? Neither have I. Funny, that one - I always thought taking someone's life for no good reason was murder.

                                                Thank God for voices of dissent! Thank God that people have the guts to stand up against Bush - the TRUE Axis Of Evil.

                                                Go Morrissey!!!

                                                We 100% support your views and your airing of them. Well done!
                                                Anonymous -- Thursday June 10 2004, @10:34PM (#110081)
                                                It will go away (Score:0)
                                                I was looking at different American media websites, and the story is buried in the entertainment sections. With all that's going on it's not exactly front-page news.

                                                Besides, Morrissey is an unknown figure in the US, and believe it or not most Americans don't spit fire every time someone utters a criticism of Bush. I don't honestly think there will be a major "backlash" over this, most people will just say "who's Morrissey" and ignore it. The Dixie Chicks were made an example of because they were popular (especially with people who get angry at this sort of thing), and because tensions were running high over the war.

                                                I think this will just go down in history as another of Mozzer's famous lines, like the Thatcher/Brighton Bombing remark. It will be interesting to see if he says anything more about it in London.
                                                Anonymous -- Friday June 11 2004, @01:47AM (#110135)
                                                  This is a MUSIC site (Score:1)
                                                  Please stop all this political ranting - its so tedious. I want to hear people enthusing over the music and happily anticipating the b-sides due next month. Why all this bother about a quip that isnt of ay importance whatsoever. why are so many americans taking offence- any anti-bush comments Moz makes are anti-bush and not anti-american. when he wrote margaret on the guillotine he was attacking a politician, not a whole nation. Why are some people outraged when people say bad things about Bush? - im sure the families of the many people who have lost lives in this pointless conflict- including americans- have a hatred of the man. Many people who are quick to support the war wouldnt be so quick to speak up if they were asked to put their life on the line.
                                                  Please get rid of this thread David and leave the halfwits to bicker on another site. The music is all that matters on here.
                                                  Manchester Neil -- Friday June 11 2004, @01:53AM (#110136)
                                                  (User #8271 Info)
                                                    I've been sitting on this for a while so..... (Score:1)
                                                    here's my take:

                                                    IF Morrissey's comment was, "Wished it was Bush who died instead", or "Bush should have died, not Reagan"...(or something to that effect), THEN it was a sad mistake. If his comment was, as i've heard it to be: "Pity it wasn't Bush", then it was just in poor taste. Before any of you jump the gun, hear me out. We all know the magic of diction. Either way, the message was the same. What I am saying is; depending on how it was worded, determines the severity of his comment. The former comments were more harsh therefore, may get Morrissey's albums pulled off of shelves...no matter how evil 'Dubya' is. (Did I get that right Lon?) The latter comment, is less direct, therefore more appropriate in this time of war...if anything should be said at all.

                                                    We all know that it boils down to the same message. No matter how Morrissey put it, he has called for the death of our President. For those of you who are shocked, get over it. Really, are any of you surprised? 'Margaret on the Guillotine', 'Bengali in Platforms', 'The National Front Disco'...Morrissey has been giving his social 'commentary' for years. The only difference for us 'yanks' is that now he is talking about OUR politics. What else did you expect? The man has been stewing for several years in the Hollywood Hills without a record label, and virtually no 'out', so to speak, for his opinions. I'm surprised he hasn't burned a picture of Ronald McDonald on-stage yet! Or maybe punched out a dude dressed up like Colonel Sanders.

                                                    That NECK Bush has to go! But this is the wrong way to go about it...if you actually care about public relations. This is another reason we respect Morrissey, he has the SACK to say what others are thinking, but are too scared to speak of. He is supported by a record label that will back him all the way as the next best thing they got is Lynrd Skynrd...Morrissey has nothing to lose. He is doing what he always has, and that is what has made him unemployable to all the major labels and tasteless society alike. Just remember:

                                                    Reason to hate Henry Rollins: "If ever I saw Morrissey on the street, i'd kick his faggot ass"

                                                    Reason to dislike Jose Maldonado: "If my band changed nobody would notice...they are here to see me...I am the 'Mexican' Morrissey"

                                                    Reason to hate Mike Joyce: Do you really need one? Dude did go after Morrissey's mom's house after the lawsuit.

                                                    Reason to Hate Bush: Because you care about the state of our country.

                                                    OUT
                                                    Jim Rome -- Friday June 11 2004, @02:24AM (#110140)
                                                    (User #720 Info | http://www.jimrome.com/ )
                                                    ...and how?
                                                    fair and balanced (Score:1)
                                                    i've always known Moz was a liberal, i'm a conservative. He's a vegetarian, i eat flesh. He wishes Bush was dead, i do not. I don't love Moz for this views on politics, but for his music and melodies. i disagree with his comment but i love him for saying it. I say a lot of things just to spark a debate. keep talking Moz, just on the world's stage your on, you'll need to deal with the negative response.
                                                    WeeterKane -- Friday June 11 2004, @04:45AM (#110167)
                                                    (User #311 Info)
                                                    Weeter - once a tranny, now a Welly, always an arsehole
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