"This Charming Man" #76 in Q magazine's 100 greatest songs that changed the world
posted by davidt on Wednesday February 19 2003, @10:00AM

Spineless Swine writes:

'This Charming Man' has been listed in Q magazine's list of "100 songs that changed the world". Although it was a paltry and rather disappointing 76th postion, I thought it was worth a mention.
The top 10 were:
1. that's allright - Elvis
2. I wanna hold your hand - the Beatles
3. God save the queen - Sex Pistols
4. Rapper's delight - Sugar Hill Gang
5. Smells like teen spirit - Nirvana
6. Strange Fruit - Billie Holiday
7. Like a rolling stone - Bob Dylan
8. Walk this way - Run DMC
9. Blue Monday - New Order
10. Do they know it's christmas - Band Aid

 
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    Smells like teen spirit stinks. (Score:1, Interesting)
    Nirvana spawned the worst imitators. When did hygiene become unimportant? Swap in How Soon is Now and you might retain credibility.
    Nirvana's music is worse than toilet bowl echo.
    Anonymous -- Wednesday February 19 2003, @10:34AM (#54643)
      no, i don't like the looks of that list at all (Score:2, Funny)
      does it make me a bad or ignorant person if i haven't heard a few of those songs?

      plus, and i like bob geldoff, but "do they know it's christmas'? what the hell?
      joans_walkman -- Wednesday February 19 2003, @11:02AM (#54645)
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      "Songs that changed the world"? (Score:3, Funny)
      I don't remember any of them solving world hunger.

      Feeling punchy-
      MozGirl18 -- Wednesday February 19 2003, @11:36AM (#54651)
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      "It is absurd to divide people into good or bad. People are either charming or tedious."-Oscar Wilde
        big nose who knows (Score:0)
        I bought this Q special - the bit on This Charming Man was disappointing but worse, poorly researched.

        It says that they first recorded it for a Peel session, which is true, but foolishly misquoted it as being the first Peel session in May 1983 when in fact it was their second Peel session in September (see Songs That Saved Your Life). A minor quibble, but very important in the band's chronology. Sloppy of Q to get this wrong if the song is meant to be THAT important.
        Anonymous -- Wednesday February 19 2003, @11:55AM (#54655)
          This Charming Man (Score:1)
          I can't believe that Smiths ranked #76 according to the "Q" magazine. I mean they could of at least put in the top 20. I'm so fucking sick of the "Q" any way. And how in the hell did Rappers Delight change any one's life? The Smiths deserve more credit for their artistry.
          Pepe <suedehead@linuxmail.org> -- Wednesday February 19 2003, @09:58PM (#54709)
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            Jizz (Score:0)
            4,8 and 10 are wank.
            Anonymous -- Thursday February 20 2003, @12:59AM (#54720)
              Changed the world into what? (Score:1)
              If these are the songs that change the life we live in we have problems. (well, not real problems or there would be more Smiths/Morrissey on the list!)
              It reassures me in our hopelessness for any possible redemption as a society that can save itself thru culture. Which by the way, looking at the culture and idea's displayed in the list it looks like our thoughts and idea's that change us are still being directed by those in the music industry who only motivation really was money.
              MasterOfWho -- Thursday February 20 2003, @04:17AM (#54722)
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              Is there room in your heart for a Tennant who carries a Rose? http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/
                I must be the only one who likes this list (Score:1)
                I gotta disagree with you all. Without the Sex pistols, we wouldn't have punk.

                Without Sugarhill Gang, we wouldn't have rap (which is if you haven't noticed, quite popular)

                Without Nirvana (who I adore) you wouldn't have the current crop of 3rd-gen Pearl Jam pseudo-angst crap.

                Without 'Walk This Way', you wouldn't have the nu-metal of Limp Bizkit and Korn (not that would be necessarily bad)

                'Blue Monday' is the representative of the new wave scene. Which is alright, though I imagine 'Love will tear..' might be a better choice.

                The Band-Aid song gave us the idea of benefit concerts. After it, we got Live-Aid, USA for Africa, Sun City, Hear N'Aid, Hands Across America and quite a few others.

                I think it's a fine list of 'songs that changed the world'. It's not the ten best songs, now. people are always going to disagree with lists like this; but I think this is a decent one.
                Rowdy Yeats -- Thursday February 20 2003, @05:33AM (#54725)
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                these polls are a waste of time (Score:0)

                they usually reflect what's seen as worthwhile by current generation of youngsters. The only bits of history that are allowed in are:

                1. direct influences on the current generation of stars
                2. a couple of political songs that have vague enough lyrics to maintain some 'deepness' to the youngsters
                3. cliche'd songs that have spend enough time off the radio that they're now seen as rehabilitated

                where's the tunes from charlie christian or wes montgomery? nowhere, because no one mentions them in MTV interviews. That charlie christian was the first guitar soloist in a popular band, or that wes montgomery was the first guitarist to top the charts seems to have missed everyone.

                popular != important

                Anonymous -- Thursday February 20 2003, @05:48AM (#54727)
                  yo,yo,yo (Score:1)
                  Why wasn't 50 cent's "In da club" on that list. That's straight booty yo!
                  leedoggpimp <leedoggpimp@hotmail.com> -- Thursday February 20 2003, @01:20PM (#54764)
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                  True friends stab you in the front.
                    Lists like these tend to be full of shit... (Score:1)
                    ...especially the British ones. I'm a huge Radiohead fan, but is "O.K. Computer" really The Greatest Album Of All Time?

                    That said, this list seems to have gotten it right. Love them or hate them, you can't deny that these songs have had a huge impact on the musical and social landscape. If you're willing to stop moping about no new Moz music long enough to do some research, you might learn something.

                    "Strange Fruit" practically invented the modern protest song. If you haven't heard it yet, find a Billie Holliday complilation and discover where "Meat Is Murder" and "Suffer Little Children" came from. And "That's Alright" is the song that convinced Sam Phillips (owner of Sun Records) that a certain Elvis Presley was worth spending time on; the result being rock' n' roll as most people know it. Without this song, Moz would likely be a celibate bookstore clerk who never left Manchester.

                    Think about it...
                    K.J.B. -- Thursday February 20 2003, @05:37PM (#54781)
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                      That list in full (Score:0)
                      In case anyone's interested, this was a special edition of Q, seperate from the regular mag - they sometimes do this with specials devoted to The Beatles/Dylan etc. It doesn't necessarily contain the best and most important music and each song was chosen for a reason - the smiths was "indie rock is born', milli vanilli was "it blew the whistle on manufactured pop".

                      1. Elvis Presley - That's All Right
                      2. The Beatles - I Wanna Hold Your Hand
                      3. Sex Pistols - God Save The Queen
                      4. Sugerhill Gang - Rappers Delight
                      5. Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Sprit
                      6. Billie Holiday - Strange Fruit
                      7. Bob Dylan - Like A Rolling Stone
                      8. Run DMC - Walk This Way
                      9. New Order - Blue Monday
                      10. Band Aid - Do They Know It's Christmas
                      11. The Beach Boys - Good Vibrations
                      12. Bill Haley - Rock Around The Clock
                      13. The Beatles - Helter Skelter
                      14. Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5 - The Message
                      15. The Kinks - You Really Got Me
                      16. Kraftwerk - Autobahn
                      17. The Bee Gees - Stayin' Alive
                      18. The Tornados - Telstar
                      19. David Bowie - Starman
                      20. Aretha Franklin - Think
                      21. Plastic Ono Band - Gibe Peace A Chance
                      22. Afrika Bambaataa - Planet Rock
                      23. Spice Girls - Wannabe
                      24. Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Relax
                      25. Nwa - Fuck Tha Police
                      26. The Beatles - Tomorrow Never Knows
                      27. Lonnie Donegan - Rock Island Line
                      28. The Who - My Gereration
                      29. The Rolling Stones - (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction
                      30. Madonna - Like A Virgin
                      31. John Lennon - Imagine
                      32. Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody
                      33. The Crystals - He's A Rebel
                      34. Otis Redding - (Sittin' On) The Dock Of They Bay
                      35. Barrett Strong - Money (That's What I Want)
                      36. Donna Summer - I Feel Love
                      37. Eminem - My Name Is
                      38. Deep Purple - Smoke On The Water
                      39. Marvin Gaye - What's Going On
                      40. 2 Live Crew - Me So Horny
                      41. Chuck Berry - Maybellene
                      42. Bob Marley - No Woman No Cry
                      43. The Crickets - That'll Be The Day
                      44. The Jam - Going Underground
                      45. Mc5 - Kick Out The Jams
                      46. Muddy Waters - I Can't Be Satisfied
                      47. Led Zeppelin - Stairway To Heaven
                      48. Strings Of Life - Rhythin Is Life
                      49. M|A|R|R|S - Pump Up The Volume
                      50. Elton John - Candle In The Wind
                      51. The Byrds - Mr Tamborine Man
                      52. Public Enemy - Rebel Without A Pause
                      53. Blondie - Heart Of Glass
                      54. The Temptations - Cloud Nine
                      55. Jefferson Airplane - White Rabbit
                      56. Primal Scream - Loaded
                      57. Les Paul - Lover
                      58. Jimi Hendrix - Purple Haze
                      59. Michael Jackson - Thriller
                      60. Body Count - Cop Killer
                      61. The Rolling Stones - Sympathy For The Devil
                      62. The Velvet Underground - Heroin
                      63. Gloria Gaynor - I Will Survive
                      64. Jackie Brenston & His Delta Cats - Rocket 88
                      65. James Brown - Say It Loud: I'm Black And I'm Proud
                      66. Guns N' Roses - Sweet Child O' Mine
                      67. Soul II Soul - Back To Life (However Do You Want Me)
                      68. Prince - Sign 'O' The Times
                      69. Milli Vanilli - Girl You Know It's True
                      70. The Special AKA - Nelson Mandella
                      71. Pink Floyd - Interstellar Overdrive
                      72. Ray Charles - What'Di Say
                      73. Woodie Guthrie - This Land Is Your Land
                      74. Tubeway Army - Are Friends Electric?
                      75. Serge Gainsbourg & Jane Birkin - Jet'aim..Moinon Plus
                      76. The Smiths - This Charming Man
                      77. Claude Francois - Commed'habitude
                      78. Oasis - Live Forever
                      79. Slade - Merry Christmas Everybody
                      80. Culture Club - Do You Really Want To Hurt Me
                      81. Metallica - Enter Sandman
                      82. The Doors - The End
                      83. The Incredible Bongo Band - Apache
                      84. Laurie Anderson - O Superman
                      85. Stardust - Music Sounds Better With

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                      Anonymous -- Friday February 21 2003, @06:14AM (#54804)
                        Songs That Changed Your Life (Score:1)
                        The difference between what this list is looking for and what fans see in The Smiths is that The Smiths change lives on a personal level whereas these songs changed the course of popular music.

                        'Moz Iz God.'
                        Half A Persona -- Monday February 24 2003, @06:49AM (#54872)
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                        "...and I just can't explain so I won't even try to..."


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