Steven Page from Barenaked Ladies cites "Hatful Of Hollow" as the album that changed his life
posted by davidt on Wednesday February 28 2001, @10:00AM

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The Calgary Sun, February 25, 2001
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"Hearing The Smiths, it was the first band that I really latched onto each person's performance.

"And the lyrics were like nothing I'd ever heard before. When you're 14, it's like, '(Morrissey) is writing this for me.'

"They had a huge influence on me later as a writer, inadvertently. It was one of those bands that I forgot about after awhile, but I go back to it and I don't think there's any record that makes me feel more nostalgic than that one."

We asked Steven Page, from the Canadian pop band the Barenaked Ladies, to name an album that changed his life. His answer? The Smiths' 1984 collection Hatful of Hollow.

 
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    The Harsh Truth and Nothing But (Score:1)
    It's a shame he ever listened to it...
    Dirk McNasty -- Wednesday February 28 2001, @10:15AM (#8437)
    (User #406 Info)
      Peristalsis in Reverse (Score:2, Funny)
      Not unlike a bulimic, Steven Page seems to have chewed on the main course, but digested nothing.
      jeremy <reversethis-{moc.absv} {ta} {muabneneT}> -- Wednesday February 28 2001, @10:22AM (#8439)
      (User #1757 Info | http://www.live365.com/stations/typicalgenius )
      whatever... (Score:1)
      doesn't take away from the fact that they did a poor job with 'still ill'.

      some people like it - but i abhor it, as i abhor everything else the barenaked ladies sputters out from time to time.

      but that's just personal preferrence.
      state of emergency -- Wednesday February 28 2001, @10:24AM (#8440)
      (User #837 Info)
      "others conquered love, but i ran..."
        I've met the guy twice... (Score:1, Interesting)
        Back during their "Lovers in a dangerous world" days, I discussed The Smiths with Steven Page and he truly is moved by them. A few years back, I ran into him again and was a little put off by his "Ooh Im a big star now" attitude.

        Let it be said that "Gordon" is a fantastic album. But I fail to hear any Smiths influence in their music (except a small lyrical borrowing from "Be my Yoko Ono")

        Isn't it beautiful to see two people
        so much in love?
        Barenaked as two virgins hand in
        hand and and
        and hand in glove

        Obviously, not as eloquent as .....the sun shines out of our behinds"

        Anonymous -- Wednesday February 28 2001, @11:43AM (#8449)
          Yay! (Score:0, Flamebait)
          Well,
          I figured a talented Canadian band that has now bent over and taken an americanization up the ass and asked for more like a bunch of fruity drama students HAD to be good for SOMETHING... and now we know, THE SMITHS still reach out and touch people!!!!

          p.s... the Ladies were at their best in their "only in canada phase", like with the album Gordon... now they are just... just..... yucky... homogonized americans.. AHHHHH!!!!
          Maplefreak -- Wednesday February 28 2001, @05:31PM (#8464)
          (User #1234 Info)
          And the songs we sing, they're not supposed to mean a thing...
          • Moz will redeem them by madegrave (Score:1) Wednesday February 28 2001, @09:19PM
            • How intelligent of you by TOTBCR (Score:1) Thursday March 01 2001, @03:01AM
                all-things US definitely do not suck... (Score:2, Insightful)
                i rememeber a few years back i too stubbornly held the concept that all things american suck, and that in all cases, america has this latrine-midas touch where everything it touches turns to shite, if it isn't shite already.

                with media (both in the states AND in europe along with next to every other press agency in the world) glorifiying shitty acts left and right, who can blame anyone for holding that idea? i think it's fine to have held that notion once in your life. but after a while, individuals will need to realize that you can't place blame solely on the entity known as 'america'.

                and why is that? for several reasons:

                1. not everything american sucks: sure, america has pioneered a number of musical-disasters with bands grown on domestic soil - such as the boy-band thing, the whole butt-rock thing in the 1980s and the shit acts on kroq. fair enough. but what about the stuff that isn't being played? like the magnetic fields, apples in stereo, the dead kennedys, ramones, deke dickerson, sleepy labeef, beulah, miles davis, john coltrane - exceptional bands with the side-note that they're american.

                then there are the bands and individuals that have changed music trends and concepts to great proportion, such as brian wilson, phil spector, elvis, CSNY: highly influential acts who on the sidenote (except for elvis perhaps, being the big 'war-poster-boy' he was) were also american.

                as to the value of these acts, the last three mentioned acts (elvis, CSNY and phil spector) have been cited by johnny marr at one point or another as an influence to his music. and seeing how we at morrissey-solo think highly of bands influenced by the smiths/morrissey, it should be noted that johnny, along with morrissey, boz and alain were influenced by something at one point in their lives, and that some of these influences came from the united states.

                2. the world sucks just fine on its own: the UK as with the rest of the world pumps out enough shit to keep it company for a good while. and this is usually without the aid of american media. just think of crap like the spice girls, simply red, tom jones - shit imported from the UK after showing praise and success in their homeland.

                or if you want an example that hits close to home to a lot of morrissey-solo viewers... oasis... from manchester of all places...and they still suck.

                3. sometimes, american is simply better: take for example jazz, blues, hip-hop and R&B. focusing on the latter sure, the 'have-more-faith-in-the-unamerican' can say "hey, but those kids in 'the commitments' sounded real good."
                true, but not as good as the original motown and soul sounds from the united states in the sixties. and hip-hop... sure, americans have shitty acts too, but take the best of our underground and mainstream and the best of the rest of the world's underground and mainstream - no question on the dominance of american acts.

                4. some of the concepts themselves are from america: rock came from the states initially, as did jazz, hip-hop and R&B.

                in short... not everything from america or influenced by american acts sucks.
                state of emergency -- Thursday March 01 2001, @09:06AM (#8488)
                (User #837 Info)
                "others conquered love, but i ran..."
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            • oops.. did i offend?! by Maplefreak (Score:0) Thursday March 01 2001, @07:12PM
            Barenaked Ladies (Score:2)
            Well, as sure as I am that this will draw some fire .... I nonetheless feel compelled to write.

            Apart from Smiths/Morrissey, BNL have long been my favorite group. Not that I would compare the two - their styles are very different - but I don't write BNL off as drivel simply because they are pop. Like our Steven, a lot of Steven Page's lyrics are very dark in tone & have a lot of double meanings. A lot of BNL songs sound very upbeat on the surface but, then again, so did a lot of Smiths songs. Steven Page & Ed Robertson's lyrics have moved me & provoked me countless times.

            So, while not the same as Morrissey, their message (in my opinion) still merits a listen. And, hey, why berate the guy simply for stating that he was influenced by one of our beloved? He's only stating that he is a fan, just like any one of us.
            mozzoleum -- Thursday March 01 2001, @11:35AM (#8493)
            (User #2470 Info)
            2 Points for the Barenaked Ladies (Score:2)
            Point 1) About two years ago, I was driving 'round town, listening to the radio, when the song "Alcohol" by BNLadies was played. Never heard it before, didn't know who they were, but the singer was obviously Moz influenced. When he sings "Alcohol, alternative to feeling like yourself...," he does it The Moz Way. Having said that...
            Point 2) I BOUGHT THE ALBUM. It was inevitable. I'm one of those fans who buy any moz/smiths covers/influences by any band. Usually it's crap... The Barenaked Ladies were no exception - that album (can't remember the name) was bad and vulgar and plain. Anyway, they're friends of this clan - no doubt about it -, and they had a couple of songs worth listening to, and they are, I think, unpretentious, which is rare this days!

            My advice: don't buy! Listen, and decide for yourself.
            wwwide -- Thursday March 01 2001, @06:10PM (#8504)
            (User #549 Info)
              it's been, one week since...... (Score:1)
              oh god what a great band, i love "BNL", they're awesome, the way they dress all in the same exact clothes, so original. And I love the way they work "chinese chicken" into a song, it's brilliant. Ok, i hate to give a score:0,flamebait response, but the barenaked ladies are one of the most disgusting, intolerable suck bands there are, could they suck anymore? They're brand of suck music for a suck fanbase of ugly canadian teenagers sucks to such a level of suck, .....that they are just not good, they are not even near good, in fact the light from the planet good would take a thousand light years just to reach them. anyhow, i hate them.
              Aaron+Linda -- Friday March 02 2001, @05:19AM (#8520)
              (User #1686 Info)
                BNL bum rap? (Score:0)
                Why the vitriol towards the Barenaked Ladies just because one of them cites the Smiths as an influence. It's strange - the sense of humour that BNL songs are written with is quite reminiscent of Morrissey. It's hard not to see it - it's just that BNL play on the humour thing and make it a focal point of their whole persona, while Moz's is more veiled and a little more directed towards the fan or insider.

                Musically, the Ladies leave much to be desired, but not everyone can be a Johnny Marr or Boz Boorer.
                Anonymous -- Friday March 02 2001, @10:49AM (#8526)
                  bnl (Score:2, Insightful)
                  Jeeez give these guys a break. I just saw them in concert last night and they are amazing performers. Just because they make music that is the polar opposite of Morrissey and The Smiths; you can't take away the fact that Morrissey's words and Marr's music changed his life...I don't think any of us can argue about that
                  bankboy -- Friday March 02 2001, @12:31PM (#8529)
                  (User #224 Info)
                    bnl (Score:2, Insightful)
                    the smiths are the most important band in my life, hands down.
                    with that said i will now say that i too am a musician and i thoroughly enjoy writing music and playing it, etc...
                    now with that added i will say that the music i write, while definitely smiths' influenced in spirit, sounds very little like anything moz has done with the smiths or solo. sometimes i even put down the guitar and play a keyboard.
                    a lot of people on this website probably would not like the music that i write and that is perfectly understandable since such things are purely a matter of taste and preference. i wouldn't be offended by that. it wouldn't change the fact that i love the smiths and moz's solo work and it wouldn't change the fact that that music has affected my life a great deal. perhaps this person from the BNL feels the same way. i don't know about the rest of you but i love hundreds of bands, many of them having nothing in common with the star of this website. i just don't understand why people get so worked up over pop acts like the barenaked ladies and their ilk. some people turn to music to express rather unpleasant feelings and emotions, some people begin making music simply to have fun, etc... regardless of the reason, loving music is loving music.
                    neal -- Friday March 02 2001, @07:32PM (#8551)
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