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How much would you pay to finance a new Moz LP?
posted by davidt on Monday February 19 2001, @10:15AM

 neil orange peel writes:

How much would you pay to finance a new Moz LP? (crap 80's rock group Marillion recently appealed to their fans to fund the recording of their new LP because they couldn't get a record deal). This big fanbase no record deal situation similarly applies to Morrissey so how much would people be willing to shell out if it meant an album of new songs within 6 months?

A) the cost of a CD (around £15 in UK)
B) £50
C) £100
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Still no news about any sort of record label deal. From what I gather, the idea of putting out a record on his own is a near impossibility, but perhaps only because something that could possibly work hasn't really been presented to him before.

 
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    Point one (Score:0)
    Marillion isn't crap.
    Anonymous -- Monday February 19 2001, @10:25AM (#8011)
    • Re:Point one by Anonymous (Score:0) Monday February 19 2001, @10:30AM
      • Re:Point one by The Other Jesus (Score:1) Friday July 13 2001, @11:08AM
        Oh-oh (Score:2, Insightful)
        To tell you the truth, if multi millionnaire Morrissey honestly asked money of us to "fund" a new cd, apart from having to buy it anyway, that would be the most obvious sign to even the non-believers amongst us that something is going wrong here.
        Mozzarella -- Monday February 19 2001, @10:29AM (#8012)
        (User #864 Info | http://www.bozboorer.com/ )
         If I wasn't a cat, I'd be a girl.
          Re:Oh-oh (Score:2, Interesting)
          I agree Mozzerella. The idea of all of Morrissey's fans, most of whom will never see a tenth of the money Morrissey has seen, funding an album he could easily pay for himself is annoying. It reminds me of Moz's comments regarding the Band-Aid crrrap- why ask the peasants to give, when the royals could fund it and never feel it? I think this is a similar question. I want a new record from Morrissey as much as anyone, but this is not the way to get it.
          jypu -- Monday February 19 2001, @10:59AM (#8019)
          (User #348 Info)
          [ Parent ]
            Re:Oh-oh (Score:3, Insightful)
            yes, it would be silly. the amount of money he could even hope to garner from charitable donations wouldn't even equal the amount he could get from a medium sized independent label giving him a bare-bones deal. Morrissey could EASILY get a deal with any of these people, but choses not to. He's not marillion. I've never even HEARD of marillion which tells you exactly what their career has been like for the last 10 years. Morrissey, on the other hand, got a $4 million advance for recording exactly ONE album with Mercury. I wish someone would give me $4 mil. for a month's work in the studio and turn around and give me my own private bus with personal chef when i went on tour.

              it's not like he, Boz, and Alain divvied up some thumb tacks and wandered the streets of the club district in London to tack up flyers outside of venues appealing to his fans to come buy the album.

            I know they pissed him off by shoving back the release date of his album and refused to let him release that ONE song in the UK, but that's how big labels work. He got horribly spoiled by the people of Reprise because they were the exception to the rule. People like Geffen aren't going to be happy with his work until they find a way to appease the people of Pepsi enough to sponsor their bourgeois-friendly act on tour. And trust me, they would rather see Pepsi's money which is guaranteed and up-front vs. any artist's whose release is a crap shoot.

            And sorry, most bands that broke big in the states around '91 like he did are now populating the adult oriented stations. Even pearl jam. They've gone from grunge rockers to middle-aged yuppie mush. Green Day, supposed punk band, releases BALLADS. REM, cutting edge of alternative, now shares air space with Sarah McLachlan and Jewel, and only because they made that one song for the Andy Kaufman soundtrack that sounded paint-by-by numbers jingle-jangle they somewhat made at one point back in 1992. Their album "Up" completely disappeared off the radar in the states.
             
            All I see is a guy who has the resources, but who refuses to use them.
            suzanne -- Monday February 19 2001, @12:23PM (#8039)
            (User #36 Info | http://www.myspace.com/snootywriter )
             I scare dead people.
            [ Parent ]
          • Re:Oh-oh by Luge (Score:1) Tuesday February 20 2001, @05:57AM
            Oh No!!! (Score:0, Troll)
            We must wait for a new album

              Boy Division
            Anonymous -- Monday February 19 2001, @10:41AM (#8015)
              I wish I could... (Score:0)
              ...but I can barely afford to keep myself in lager and Luckies. Mozzer, can you spare a dime?
              Anonymous -- Monday February 19 2001, @10:54AM (#8017)
                money? (Score:1)
                do we get a cut of the profits?
                suzanne -- Monday February 19 2001, @10:55AM (#8018)
                (User #36 Info | http://www.myspace.com/snootywriter )
                 I scare dead people.
                new album (Score:1)
                This goes clearly too far! Morrissey is quite lazy these days and he wants to much money!
                That“s all! :-(
                I cannot believe that he has a 3-year problem in getting a new record deal. I bet Sire would sign him again and at least many Independent Labels.
                He doesn“t care about his fans anymore! Why no personal statement to his fans via Morrissey-solo? No,no - nothing! TRULY DISAPPOINTED - Joe
                (from Germany)
                JoeSell -- Monday February 19 2001, @11:07AM (#8021)
                (User #98 Info | http://www.jsell.de/ )
                • Re:new album by Mozzarella (Score:1) Monday February 19 2001, @11:12AM
                  Fans (Score:1)
                  Joe Sell : do you really think Morrissey does not care 'bout his fans ? Why did he put on a tour last year then ?
                  Nikita -- Monday February 19 2001, @11:28AM (#8024)
                  (User #2411 Info)
                  • Re:Fans by Anonymous (Score:1) Monday February 19 2001, @12:11PM
                    • Re:Fans by Anonymous (Score:0) Tuesday February 20 2001, @12:17AM
                      • Re:Fans by Anonymous (Score:0) Tuesday February 20 2001, @12:18AM
                        maybe I should not say this... (Score:1, Interesting)
                        but I am also quite dissapointed with Morrissey. He can afford to put out a record with his own money...and he knows it would sell well. He knows how much the fans are dying for a new record, but he wants to wait until he finds a record company who will pay him tons of money. there is nothing wrong with that in itself, but I think if he was so concerned with the fans, he would put something out...even just a single! I wonder why it is an impossibility for him to put out something on his own. I don't think the problem would be finanacial. If it is something to do with not finding people he can work with (ie distributors etc.), and not something financial, then it is totally understandable, and all the above should be disregarded. I can't see a single costing too much money to put out...
                        Anonymous -- Monday February 19 2001, @11:30AM (#8026)
                        If he can`t then don`t! (Score:1)
                        Just sell a house,it`s my opinion and then you can afford to do a record!!!
                        dagenham -- Monday February 19 2001, @11:37AM (#8027)
                        (User #1023 Info)
                          Melissa Ferrick (Score:1)
                          My wife is a big fan of Melissa Ferrick (who opened for Morrissey on a few Kill Uncle tour dates.) Anyway, she was telling me about how Melissa sold two guitars on ebay to finance her entire upcoming album (I think the two went for around $10K.) I belive that Melissa has no label, and only distributes her CDs through online places like CD baby and at shows. Certainly, I would hate for Morrissey to have to do something like this, but there is no reason that he couldn't do it as a temporary solution to his current problem.
                          Aaron -- Monday February 19 2001, @12:00PM (#8030)
                          (User #238 Info)
                          People, People, People... (Score:2, Insightful)
                          ...we all know that Morrissey could absolutely find the ways and means (and $$$) to finance an album independent of a big-shot record company.

                          He's GOT to have his own reasons for not having put out a record in several years, none of which we have any insight to.

                          The idea of the fans footing the bill for a new record is a romantic one, but probably not for the likes of Morrissey - do you really think he'd agree to that?

                          No...something is rotten in the state of Denmark and the king isn't being completely honest with us as to what it is.
                          Lifeguard Sleeping -- Monday February 19 2001, @12:14PM (#8036)
                          (User #58 Info)
                            I am not David Geffen (Score:2, Funny)
                            THe Idea of acting as a record company to finance a Moz alblum is fine so long as we were cut in on the profits, just as a label would expect the same. I can't imagine anyone would seriously have the audacity to ask for fans to not only buy an but contribute to a wealthy artist to boot. If Morrissey ever suggested this I would laugh my way to ebay to sell all his alblums I've already bought. I love Morrissey, but he drives a BMW and lives in LA, so I hear, I drive a Honda and live in Brooklyn, I am not going to finance him unless the our economic circumstances were severly reversed.
                            Anonymous -- Monday February 19 2001, @12:18PM (#8037)
                              oy vey.... (Score:4, Insightful)
                              have you ever considered that Morrissey does as Morrissey damn well pleases?

                              talk about the imagination running wild: accusations of Morrissey of being "greedy","lazy" and "disappointing".

                              all this from someone purposing a hypothetical situation.

                              whatever the situtation is, i think we must face the reality that the longer he goes without a recording contract, the less likely he will be able to secure one.

                              whether that is his fault or not, his intention or not, fans can not insist an artist surrender to their demands. the idea that someone "owes" you something because they have more or because they are a public figure is ridiculous and dangerous.

                              maybe he's dried up. maybe he has nothing to offer. would you rather have him releasing more lacklustre fodder or have him retire with some measure of dignity?

                              texaho -- Monday February 19 2001, @12:31PM (#8042)
                              (User #438 Info)
                              On-line music! (Score:0, Interesting)
                              What I don't understand is why MORRISSEY doesn't record a album himself and release it on the net. It would be a easy thing to do. I know that he used to have a recording studio in his Manchester house, does he now?

                              I also know that MORRISSEY likes the net. He has hinted at this before but for some reason it just hasn't come about. I think that he should give it some more though.

                              Also, I'm sure Morrissey has the money to finance his own album!
                              Anonymous -- Monday February 19 2001, @12:55PM (#8047)
                              Release a new track on this site (Score:0)
                              Whilst we wait patiently for a new album why does'nt Morrissey release a new track, as an exclusive, on this site?
                              Anonymous -- Monday February 19 2001, @01:02PM (#8049)
                                Morrissey's Recording Studio? (Score:0)
                                For a while, I was under the impression that Morrissey was the owner of the Wool Hall recording studio (Don't ask me why I thought that; if that were the case, I'm sure he'd record all his albums there.) But is that the case?

                                  I'd have to vote NO to this idea of a fan-financed album. It's a pretty odd idea, so I'm not surprised Marillion was behind it. Remember: it's not that Morrissey CAN'T get a recording contract; it's that he says labels won't meet his financial demands. (That's not saying he's being greedy either; he should be paid what he's worth and not treated as a quick cash cow for ANY record label.)

                                I would be behind Morrissey going back to his single releasing days, but using the internet for distribution. Then he could collect those singles into a compliation. In the next few months -- with Napster's newly announced secure service and Microsoft's SAS encryption scheme -- it may be an economically feasible option.
                                Anonymous -- Monday February 19 2001, @01:30PM (#8055)
                                  If I can record an album.................. (Score:1, Interesting)
                                  OK...there's something wrong. I think Moz doesn't have his band anymore. I mean, Boz Boorer has a fantastic studio so why not do the album there? It doesn't make sense. I'm in the process of recording my own CD and the prices went down drastically......all you need is a computer, a Rode condenser mike, some effects units or a Roland/Boss X8. Unless Moz is planning on hiring an orchestra, but that would make it a little cramped in the liner notes under "Personnel". I'm not bitter, really.... But one good thing has come of his lack of new material......I've been inspired to do my own stuff to entertain myself. And people say it's quite good.........
                                  Anonymous -- Monday February 19 2001, @01:42PM (#8057)
                                  I'd pay! (Score:1, Interesting)
                                  I don't necessarily disagree with the foregoing comments, but i must admit that I'd pay 50 bucks for the cause. i figure i spend more than that a month in god knows what. Plus, I can't measure off all the days and moments his music touches me.
                                  I'd pay my respects that way.
                                  Anonymous -- Monday February 19 2001, @02:43PM (#8060)
                                    sure (Score:0)
                                    how much do you want? I'll write a check for the full amount today.
                                    Anonymous -- Monday February 19 2001, @02:46PM (#8062)
                                      Don't even think of comparing Mozz to Marillion! (Score:1)
                                      Well excuse me folks! What is all that about?! It's so terribly unfair to, more or less COMPARE Morrissey to Marillion! I mean, the only similarity between Morrissey and Marillion is that both begins with an "M"! "M" could also be "Money" and Mozz got loads of it. However, "M" could also mean "Minimum" and in this case a MINIMUM of style and pride - and I think everybody will agree with me that Morrissey has got a MAXIMUM of both style and pride which is why he would never ask something like that of his fans..........so there!
                                      itmustbeobvious -- Monday February 19 2001, @03:19PM (#8063)
                                      (User #2296 Info)
                                      pay who? (Score:1)
                                      Hell, he should be paying US for keeping us waiting! He has money and we all know it! But, if he has not bothered to give us anything new, one must beg the question, is it u.s money he has, the british pound, or CANADIAN TIRE MONEY?!!!
                                      my fellow canucks will get the last one ;-)

                                      so i dare say my answer would be no.. no money for you Steven! but i still love you! COME BACK SOON!!
                                      Maplefreak -- Monday February 19 2001, @05:18PM (#8076)
                                      (User #1234 Info)
                                       And the songs we sing, they're not supposed to mean a thing...
                                        and I know it's over (Score:1)
                                        but still I cling
                                        Don't know where else I can go

                                        Over over over, nananana

                                        I gave you my heart it was so real
                                        and you even sang to me.

                                        Forever yours,... Morrissey
                                        Celibate Cry <vauxhall@mail2uk.com> -- Monday February 19 2001, @05:57PM (#8080)
                                        (User #220 Info)
                                         and the hills are alive with celibate cries
                                          what? (Score:1)
                                          i don't think that morrissey would agree with something like this. i don't even have money to get his cds!!... and my extra money, i give to people who really need it. i don't like this idea at all.
                                          somnium -- Monday February 19 2001, @06:13PM (#8081)
                                          (User #1086 Info)
                                            I have a better idea... (Score:0)
                                            Copy what Momus did...fans paid him a tidy sum to actually write a song about *them* and compiled them into an album.

                                            kl

                                            Anonymous -- Monday February 19 2001, @06:57PM (#8082)
                                            You can bank on this... (Score:1, Interesting)
                                            There will be a new album out this summer. It will be on a major label. If anybody wishes to take this tip and bet on it, I ASSURE YOU that you will not be disappointed.

                                            Damon
                                            Anonymous -- Monday February 19 2001, @08:02PM (#8084)
                                            Some people are missing the point! (Score:1, Insightful)
                                            First let me say this for someone who deals with the record industry freqently. You need the support of a major label to be a viable artist in today's market. Sending your single out on the internet is not going to get you on 3,000 modern rock stations through out America. Morrissey is very concerned about what happens to his records after they are released. He watches the chart positions like a hawk. Listen to most of his interviews and you will hear this. Pride Pride Fatal Pride it can play hidious tricks on the brain. Morrissey has the money. This whole idea of giving him money is crazy and just wasting everyones time posting silly comments like the one you are reading. Everyone hold your horses and lets see what happens. Morrissey is not going to settle for second best and neither should any of you!
                                            Anonymous -- Monday February 19 2001, @08:57PM (#8085)
                                              Nothing. (Score:0)
                                              I would pay nothing.
                                              Anonymous -- Monday February 19 2001, @09:09PM (#8086)
                                                Talk to me baby (Score:1)
                                                If a person were to contribute to this "fund", would he get any privileges or perks? Forget profit-sharing; I'm talking a free cd, access to Morrissey (within reason), concert tix, etc.
                                                HandsomeSoldier -- Monday February 19 2001, @09:32PM (#8087)
                                                (User #2387 Info)
                                                 And now I know how Joan of Arc felt
                                                  The Moz (Score:2, Interesting)
                                                  HI, id like to say firstly that many people who've made replies to this forum should be ashamed. Obviously if you've taken the time to post a reply, youre all Morrissey fans, and so then i dont understand the way in which you speak about him. Personally, although i dont make a great deal of money at the age of 26, i would be willing to contribute what i could to the making of a new album. Do you know why? It's quite simply because i appreciate Morrissey- ive enjoyed his music since i was 18ish. For all the times i enjoyed his music, when id had a drink too many, when it was a bright sunny day, when it was a nice night with friends over-ive enjoyed his music- and so in appreciation for that, i would gladly help fund a new cd, regardless of how many trillions of dollars the man already had in his possession. He earned that money dilligently, and if he has troubles negotiating with those capitalist, popular record labels and wants to circumvent that by appealing to his fans, i am more than glad to help out however i may be able to. I think the man has plenty more to offer and i am glad to be here to share in it. If anyone has a dispute with something ive said, please feel free to email me: josh@globeserve.com
                                                  Southpaw 26 <Josh@globeserve.com> -- Tuesday February 20 2001, @12:27AM (#8092)
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                                                  • Re:The Moz by hand in glove (Score:0) Tuesday February 20 2001, @12:36AM
                                                    • Re:The Moz by Joemoz (Score:1) Tuesday February 20 2001, @02:01AM
                                                      Viva Paid (Score:0)
                                                      Damon and anonymous39 have made me feel a little better...so, I won't worry. But, having said that, I do get paid on Thursday, Morrissey, so, just let me know... ;)
                                                      hand in glove -- Tuesday February 20 2001, @12:32AM (#8093)
                                                      (User #827 Info)
                                                       Art is the tree of life. Science is the tree of death. - William Blake
                                                        Morrissey (Score:0)
                                                        Hard words.. and kind words.. but an element of truth in it all..

                                                        If Morrissey reads these boards as we sometimes wonder and even hope he does.. he should certainly treat these comments with respect and do something about it!! Perhaps a move back to Manchester and Rough Trade should take him back to the cradle of his creativity..

                                                        ..I would also add though that Morrissey (through luck or design) still has cult status and has not lost the complete credibility that most big alternative bands have (as has been pointed out) as they have to deliver record sales and so make 'artitic changes of direction' to satisfy this..

                                                        There's just too much money in music.. and it stifles creativity.

                                                        ..so it's possibly irrelevant about how much Money he has to fund a deal (didn't he tour last time without a deal, I assume he must have paid out of his own pocket for some of this).. its probably more to do with the Morrisseys 'hunger'.. the desire to be creative.. maybe that is not there anymore..

                                                        ..Oh for a return of the Spirit of early eighties Independent Music (and late 70's golden era punk).. I am even tempted to become a Morrissey clone and write music, and get lyrics from the people on the Moz Solo board.. I know you all have something to say, and could sing about it!

                                                        Anonymous -- Tuesday February 20 2001, @04:09AM (#8101)
                                                          Re:Morrissey (Score:3, Interesting)
                                                          That intelligent comment deserves more than zero...
                                                          Aahhh...the desire to be creative.
                                                          Although M. once said he was born for the sole purpose of singing in front of an audience I do hope for his sake that he realizes he has stored enough fan devotion to last him to his death . As apparently he's used none...
                                                          Why sing when you've got everything , or more to the point , the things you really wanted ?
                                                          Morrissey is somehow satisfied I think and when I'm his age in ten years' time I hope to feel as comfortable with life as he appears to be . He should be stable now .That to me is the normal evolution for him : the older he gets the more he will enjoy life , the more serene he'll feel .
                                                          He wanted fame he got it .he wanted appreciation he got it. He even got money and friends along the way ; bargain !
                                                          From now on , he's in no hurry .
                                                          The only problem he might have , namely the
                                                          Love problem (and I don't mean Courtney ) and the reason to live problem , he now knows it's up to him to solve them in his personal life and off stage if they're still there and that writing songs and singing isn't going to help him in that respect .
                                                          He might do it for fun now and then but the urgency is gone .
                                                          or else he falls in love again and f@cks up again and we get another Vauxhall and Southpaw .( Was that real in the first place anyway ? Or another Morrisseyesque story?)
                                                          Ah but no.
                                                          Something's telliing us he's learned his lesson.
                                                          No more Big Story :Maybe a couple of anecdotes about life in L.A....(yawn) .So what's the American equivalent of a "Dagenham Dave?"
                                                          A "San Fernando Fernando"?
                                                          How exciting !
                                                          1230 -- Wednesday February 21 2001, @04:53PM (#8185)
                                                          (User #2345 Info)
                                                           "In the shadow of your sun."
                                                          [ Parent ]
                                                          yay! (Score:1)
                                                          well im a gullible so-and-so. im broke as hell, but i'd give him every penny i have. especially if i knew he'd appreciate it in any way shape or form. haha! man... i suck... :)
                                                          KarlaAnne -- Tuesday February 20 2001, @05:05AM (#8103)
                                                          (User #949 Info | http://karlaanne.livejournal.com/ )
                                                            Morrissey's new album, or not ... (Score:0)
                                                            We all know the guy still craves fame, so let him throw a few new songs together in his garage, and make them available exclusively on morrissey-solo.com as free MP3s - if he had ten he could call it his new 'indie' album. He'd earn nothing from it, but he'd raise the eyebrows of the record companies, and he'd regain the fame. Let's face it - we don't care if the songs are poor quality, we want them anyway. Jees I'd certainly download the lot. Go on, Steven, CLAIM THE FAME !
                                                            Anonymous -- Tuesday February 20 2001, @05:09AM (#8104)
                                                              strange debate (Score:2, Interesting)
                                                              This has been one of the more amusing items I have read on morrissey-solo.com in some time, and I am cheered by the fact that for once the answers weren't of the usual fawning sycophantic nature seen on this polarised site.

                                                              However, it is more intriguing because this was a mere suggestion by a contributor and not based on any fact. But it is a tiny bit sinister - financing a Morrissey album, c'mon!! What, because a) no label is willing to touch him because he does not have the usual framework in place (a good example was on the Bowie tour - when Moz disappeared, EMI had only his mother as a contact number); b) his records (despite the protestations of the fans on this site) just don't sell anymore; or c) offers have been on the table but they do not live upto his lofty LA expectations? You decide which?

                                                              I would like to hear new Moz material, and as I always have done will judge it then on its merits. No, I would not claim it as the greatest album ever either - Vauxhall & I a classic, Maladjusted sterile and lame.

                                                              But as I have said on this site before may times. If the product isn't there - go and find something else - there are hundreds of great bands out there in different countries. Get your heads out of the sand and find them. Moz will "give" the world some new material if he can be bothered, if not, oh well.

                                                              p.s. before any of you slaughter me for this, let me say one thing - the Smiths are still my favourite band, I have seen Moz 11 times, all but one gig excellent. But I am a pragmatist about his future movements. It is a testament to his character and influence that the messages on this site become so frenzied, but please move on. Maybe??
                                                              Luge -- Tuesday February 20 2001, @05:40AM (#8106)
                                                              (User #1857 Info)
                                                              • Re: do you really want Morrissey to read this? by texaho (Score:1) Tuesday February 20 2001, @07:41AM
                                                                • Re: do you really want Morrissey to read this? by Luge (Score:1) Tuesday February 20 2001, @09:19AM
                                                                  • Re: do you really want Morrissey to read this? (Score:2, Funny)
                                                                  Some of you people really need your heads' checking. 'Imagine being Morrissey and reading these comments'? Imagine being me and watching my parents murder each other, my boyfriend leave me for a transexual postman, my baby born with a tail and my job as a prostitute only paying enough to buy my daily bottle of GHB? Who gives a shit if Morrissey logs on and reads all this benal bollocks? He'd just laugh, and not for the right reasons. Morrissey himself is a mass of contradc ictions ('I'd never move to L.A.', for starters) and he wont do what you want him to do just because you stamp your foot and cry. Let him get on with it... whatever happens, it'll be worth the wait.
                                                                  PS: My baby wasn't really born with a tail.
                                                                  MyMelody -- Tuesday February 20 2001, @09:35AM (#8117)
                                                                  (User #2329 Info | http://lightupvirginmary.blogspot.com/ )
                                                                   ...don't make fun of me later... cos I'm just lost...
                                                                  [ Parent ]
                                                              Why not use Boz Boorer's studio?? (Score:0)
                                                              Why doesn't Morrissey use Boz Boorer's studio to record the new album?? I just checked out Boz's website (www.bozboorer.co.uk)...what's wrong with recording there?? From the way he describes his new studio, it sounds like it's more than ample for Morrissey to get something going.

                                                              Also, does anyone know what NV Records is all about?? There's something on Boz's page about NV Records, but the page for it is blank.
                                                              Anonymous -- Tuesday February 20 2001, @06:29AM (#8109)
                                                              If You Ask Me... (Score:1)
                                                              The same thing that I Said about Kate Bush and Peter Gabriel (Whom I adore as much as Moz) I say to him:

                                                                    If Morrissey has not inspiration to make a good album, he better does not do that.

                                                              I refuse to pay even a penny! I have enough economic problems myself... and he does not!!!.

                                                              I agree with everyone who said that b4: That idea of paying Morrissey for a record is ridiculous... He should look for an inependent label, or Internet (F**k off the goddamn charts!!!!)
                                                              djpekky -- Tuesday February 20 2001, @06:55AM (#8111)
                                                              (User #1453 Info)
                                                                Neil Orange Peel Writes... (Score:2, Informative)
                                                                Hi there,
                                                                I suggested this topic as a poll, not as a news item! I was amazed when I saw it as a news item, and I guess not really surprised by the depth of feeling it provoked.

                                                                As I suggested this (as a poll!), here are my thoughts. First, it is clear that Morrissey is loaded and must be a multi-millionaire several times over, so the idea of the poor fans giving him their cash is not really on. However, it is interesting to note what value people would put on a new LP (as opposed to the amount it sells for), and I (a poor student) would probably value it at around £50.
                                                                 
                                                                Maladjusted was patchy but along with some of the bsides (Lost, This is Not Your Country etc) there were enough great songs (Trouble loves, Wide to Receive etc) for many hours of listening pleasure and I would gladly fork out more than the selling price of a new CD for more songs of this calibre.

                                                                So sorry, to have made this fairly ridiculous suggestion but it was intended as a poll! I guess we are getting a bit desperate when poll suggestions become news stories, but I'm not complaining to DavidT, as there's been some good discussion on the record deal situation. Also, apologies for offending any Marillion fans. I guess Kayleigh had quite a catchy chorus!

                                                                Neil.

                                                                (neilemail@fsmail.net)
                                                                Anonymous -- Tuesday February 20 2001, @07:00AM (#8112)
                                                                This is sad... (Score:0)
                                                                Why must someone even ask this? Morrissey should stop being such a snob and just do an album. He has had every opportunity to just make a cd and put it out, he's just being a lazy sod! Get off of your high-horse Moz and just do it. Your fans are leaving you faster than ever. Don't alienate yourself more!!!!!
                                                                Anonymous -- Tuesday February 20 2001, @10:03AM (#8118)
                                                                Fractured idea (Score:0)
                                                                a sad lot this, and sad thought that.

                                                                d.
                                                                Anonymous -- Tuesday February 20 2001, @11:02AM (#8123)
                                                                  Money Changes Everything (Score:2, Interesting)
                                                                  Personally while I await the release of new Moz material with as much anticipation as anyone, I cant believe people would actually pay Morrissey to record.It is exactly this kind of blind devotion which allows Morrissey to treat his fans poorly, safe in the knowledge that they will always be there.

                                                                  The man is a multi millionaire and I hold serious reservations about his motivation and desire to record.

                                                                  If he loves singing and communicating with his audience as much as he claims, why has he not signed any of the rumored deals with lesser labels?

                                                                  Its obviously financial, so which is more important Morrissey, another million dollars, or the continuing love and respect of your fans. I as a life long fan am begining to loose patience. Sign or retire.
                                                                  mediawhore -- Tuesday February 20 2001, @12:03PM (#8127)
                                                                  (User #2418 Info)
                                                                    Viva Momus (Score:2, Informative)
                                                                    For those of you who've not been introduced to Nick Currie, a.k.a. Momus, his is perhaps the most brilliant and creative mind currently working in pop music. In addition to being the creator of such inventive movements as Analog Baroque and Fake Folk, he just last year breathed new life into "patronage pop." Having been sued for writting a song about transexual performer Walter/Wendy Carlos, he turned to his dedicated fans to help him foot the legal bill. Momus, among the most humble and down to earth of artists, could not afford to pay the bill on his own (the man lives like St. Francis!), and so he turned his troubles into a fantastic opporunity, and announced his next noble project - Stars Forever. Stars Forever is a double album of over 30 songs that were bought by fans for $1,000 a piece. The buyer got to go down in pop music history by having a song written about him/her, and Momus got to pay off his legal bill. The end result was anything but trite, and indeed, Stars Forever made many critics Top 10 lists.
                                                                    Now if only Morrissey could conjure such an idea.
                                                                    His fans would easily pay the $1,000 for a song, in some way or other, dedicated to them.
                                                                    I'm certain that over a thousand fans could and would cough up the grand just to have funded a song on Morrissey's album. And a thousand times a thousand is.. well, you do the math... It's more than enough for him to get a record out..
                                                                    soulspeak -- Tuesday February 20 2001, @02:36PM (#8133)
                                                                    (User #1969 Info)
                                                                    • Re:Viva Momus by suedehead (Score:1) Tuesday February 20 2001, @03:05PM
                                                                      From Hazard: Suffer in Silence-The Morrissey Label (Score:0)
                                                                      A Letter on the subject in hand:

                                                                      I find all these collective thoughts from
                                                                      viewers quite funny - I imagine
                                                                      a group of students, all over the world
                                                                      sitting around bars and uni's
                                                                      - cap in hand. However, the serious
                                                                      nature of this posting deserves some
                                                                      serious consideration.

                                                                      What many viewers don't seem to understand is that
                                                                      after spending almost 20 years in the business
                                                                      - having a number of key singles/albums and receiving great financial rewards (for himself, his band, his manager and all
                                                                      his record companies) that, at the end of the day, Morrissey deserves some serious respect for his achievements.

                                                                      Why does he have to go out and search for a new
                                                                      label ? Why bother, because he is an amazing musical talent. Why should he really have to.
                                                                      Morrissey surely deserves a chance to sit back and think about what he wants to do with the rest of his life.

                                                                      Morrissey is a true musical genious. His words,
                                                                      and music - post Smiths - confirm this, hence the IVOR NOVELLO AWARD. I that he deserves
                                                                      to be relaxing, in sunny LA.

                                                                      No one has mentioned this, but I suspect that Morrissey will actually take a great deal of pride in selecting a suitable record label to record with, in the same way that George Best, Billy Bremner and Tony Currie all took pride in selecting there own football club, of choice.

                                                                      Sit back and enjoy the wait. I wish I could
                                                                      provide more information to you, but not knowing
                                                                      Morrissey, I am suffering in silence just
                                                                      like the rest of you !

                                                                      hazard

                                                                      If the
                                                                      Anonymous -- Tuesday February 20 2001, @03:00PM (#8134)
                                                                      How much would you pay to finance a new Moz LP? (Score:1)
                                                                      How about instead, appealing to any and all record labels. Maybe if the suits knew how big his fan base is, they would reconsider.

                                                                      Instead of signing some new kid that might or might not sell, Morrissey is a sure thing. And if he got even half the exposure as any flavor of the month, he would blow them all away.
                                                                      mcoombs -- Tuesday February 20 2001, @06:18PM (#8140)
                                                                      (User #727 Info)
                                                                        destruction/reconstruction (Score:0)
                                                                        this idea is simply ridiculous..the man needs new blood behind him. his band is pure shit. he needs a dedicated, young group of backing musicians and songwriting partners. not a bunch of rockabilly hacks with a million other projects who just give him some substandard music to write lyrics over. enough is enough. put together a decent band, actively seek out new songwriting talent (hell, maybe even through this site), work out some demos , and this won't be an issue any longer.
                                                                        Anonymous -- Tuesday February 20 2001, @06:24PM (#8141)
                                                                        Big Flabby dewdrops (Score:1)
                                                                        On no account ignore the impact of the bad reactions and reviews to Maladjusted...This knocked Mozzer for six...he was so upset he even had to leave the country...Frankly, I don't think he's in any hurry to release a new album...he's much more eager to experience a bit of LA nightlife and go clothes shopping. Being a rather self-indulgent self-possessed childlike man nothing would give him greater glee than to think there are hoardes of people waiting for him to do something. It's in his rather complicated nature to make us all wait for a long while yet - it's a very British thing - When, like Moz, you've been slighted by various people and record companies, the best way to fight back is to say right, sod you lot, I can't even be bothered to record or do anything apart from drive round......time to release a book of your poetry mate..you know you want to big boy....
                                                                        neworleans -- Wednesday February 21 2001, @07:30AM (#8160)
                                                                        (User #2197 Info)
                                                                          This sucks (Score:1)
                                                                          Hey boys, just one thing... you're going too far. Morrissey never asked us a penny or a cent to do this f**** album... All this is about an hipotetic question made by someone, that gave as example the group Marillion.
                                                                          I think sometimes you lose the point and starts to discuss about things that never happened.
                                                                          To release or not an album is his decision. If you're still a fan, it's your risk, stop complaining like new born babies... If you're keep visiting the site is your decision, but STOP charging him things you don't have the right to. You bought an album: you pay for it and take it to your home, it's yours, end of the conversation. You bought a ticket for the show, went to the show, he played 17 songs, end of the conversation. He don't own you nothing. STOP!
                                                                          Marco -- Wednesday February 21 2001, @07:50AM (#8161)
                                                                          (User #615 Info)
                                                                           And all those lies, written lies, twisted lies. Well, they weren't lies, they weren't lies...
                                                                          • Re:This sucks by itmustbeobvious (Score:1) Wednesday February 21 2001, @02:37PM
                                                                            Fund Album = Concert in Pittsburgh (Score:1)
                                                                            Sure, I'd be more than happy to help fund Moz's next project. Providing he actually schedules, and follows through with a concert in Pittsburgh. I'd say that would be only fair to his legion of fans who have waited patiently and been twice disappointed here.

                                                                            :)
                                                                            Leigh
                                                                            Rockabilleigh -- Wednesday February 21 2001, @08:53AM (#8162)
                                                                            (User #1007 Info)
                                                                              live album (Score:0)
                                                                              and if there was to be an album release it's most likely be another bloody live album.
                                                                              Anonymous -- Wednesday February 21 2001, @09:30AM (#8163)
                                                                                Financing Morrissey (Score:2, Interesting)
                                                                                Some of you have stated that Morrissey could finance his own
                                                                                recording. Perhaps he does'nt because he is not confident in his own product?
                                                                                He is shrew and does appear to pocess good business sense, Joyce & Rourke can confirm this.
                                                                                If he DID finance his next release, and it bombed , it would break him.
                                                                                On the other hand if he did finance his next release, it would only be if he was confident in his material.
                                                                                Now what better incentive is there than that to produce another classic?
                                                                                L'Estrange -- Wednesday February 21 2001, @10:00AM (#8164)
                                                                                (User #1939 Info | http://www.morrissey-solo.com/ )
                                                                                 L'Estrange
                                                                                  if gene can do it, surely, morrissey can too. (Score:1)
                                                                                  If Gene can record, and release a live CD on thier 'own' label, surely Morrissey can do the same.
                                                                                  And the profits would all go to Moz himself rather than a buck or two per CD....
                                                                                  shy bald buddist -- Wednesday February 21 2001, @10:03AM (#8165)
                                                                                  (User #1602 Info)
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