MOZ INFLUENCES

[JOHNNY]

We all know that Moz has many influeces in the film and music world.Over the years I have sampled many of his influences in one way or another.Some I found to be truly awful.The worst one I can remember was an all girl 60's band called"Paperdolls" who sang,among others,"Simple Simon".Some have been great to discover , Timi Yuro springs to mind.

I recently picked up a C.D at a record fair by a band called The Business who I know Morrissey has been very fond of for years.I really enjoyed it. I don't know a great deal about them.I know they are English and have a kind of fast and furious punk/Oi sound to them.The Angelic Upstarts of course,were always a fantastic band.I would be interested to hear what others think is the best and worst of Morrissey's influences.
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE.

[who cares]

> I recently picked up a C.D at a record fair by a band called The Business
> who I know Morrissey has been very fond of for years.I really enjoyed it.
> I don't know a great deal about them.I know they are English and have a
> kind of fast and furious punk/Oi sound to them.

I did that as well, and really liked the CD. And the other day I downloaded The Business's 'Panic', not knowing that it is in fact a cover of you-know! It really blows.

[Suzette]

Moz was slightly influenced by the Woody Allen movie Manhattan. It's apparent in some of the minor vocal inflections.

Does anyone here think he may have been a fan of Benny Hill? I know it's a stretch, but I mean he is a man, isn't he? All guys dig(dug) Benny Hill.

> We all know that Moz has many influeces in the film and music world.Over
> the years I have sampled many of his influences in one way or another.Some
> I found to be truly awful.The worst one I can remember was an all girl
> 60's band called"Paperdolls" who sang,among others,"Simple
> Simon".Some have been great to discover , Timi Yuro springs to mind.

[Ruffian]

> Moz was slightly influenced by the Woody Allen movie Manhattan. It's
> apparent in some of the minor vocal inflections.

> Does anyone here think he may have been a fan of Benny Hill? I know it's a
> stretch, but I mean he is a man, isn't he? All guys dig(dug) Benny Hill.

What!! Morrissey and Woody Allen?.. Sorry, but that is a ridiculous suggestion. Morrissey is as British as the day is long, I am sure there is no trace of Woody Allen, or any Americansims in his vocal or lyrical style. Still, That's what this board is all about. Opinions and comments about obscure Morrissey theories. However far reached.

Was he a Benny Hill fan? Well.. Hill was (or is), strangely, a cult figure in the U.S. I understand. However, over here, he is regarded as something of a novelty joke sea side postcard character who appealed to old ladies and people who would only tune to ITV.. Unlike my house, where my Dad only had the BBC on!

Sorry, still smiling at the Woody Allen comparison.

[The Smiths]

> What!! Morrissey and Woody Allen?.. Sorry, but that is a ridiculous
> suggestion. Morrissey is as British as the day is long, I am sure there is
> no trace of Woody Allen, or any Americansims in his vocal or lyrical
> style. Still, That's what this board is all about. Opinions and comments
> about obscure Morrissey theories. However far reached.

> Was he a Benny Hill fan? Well.. Hill was (or is), strangely, a cult figure
> in the U.S. I understand. However, over here, he is regarded as something
> of a novelty joke sea side postcard character who appealed to old ladies
> and people who would only tune to ITV.. Unlike my house, where my Dad only
> had the BBC on!

> Sorry, still smiling at the Woody Allen comparison.

Indeed.

[Fabricio]

> What!! Morrissey and Woody Allen?.. Sorry, but that is a ridiculous
> suggestion. Morrissey is as British as the day is long, I am sure there is
> no trace of Woody Allen, or any Americansims in his vocal or lyrical
> style.

he may be influenced by new york dolls that is an american band.

he may be influenced by james dean that is an american actor.

any americanisms? i couldn`t go so far.

[The Smiths]

> he may be influenced by new york dolls that is an american band.

> he may be influenced by james dean that is an american actor.

> any americanisms? i couldn`t go so far.

Hey dude, you've got a point here. Morrissey ever had an affair with the american culture somehow.

[Fabricio]

[DJ Hollow Point]

he eats Lucky Charms breakfast cereal and that's 100% American, dudes/dedettes.
he lives in AMERICA. all arguments after that little tidbit are NULL and VOID dingleberry. he bought into AMERICA 1000000% you English Moz wannabees. he's ours and FDrankly, you can't have him back. Nor would he go back. So back off.
he loves hawaiian pizza and burger queen much better than jellied eels. who wouldn't?

> Hey dude, you've got a point here. Morrissey ever had an affair with the
> american culture somehow.

[Sarah]

Moz is as American as apple pie. He turned his back on England. I mean the French did. So it *must* be ok.

Anyway, Moz has gone *way* Hollywood anywho. Sure beats cold, wet, dreary, hazy england. I heard he never like it to begin with. Makes two of us.

Sarah

> he eats Lucky Charms breakfast cereal and that's 100% American,
> dudes/dedettes.
> he lives in AMERICA. all arguments after that little tidbit are NULL and
> VOID dingleberry. he bought into AMERICA 1000000% you English Moz
> wannabees. he's ours and FDrankly, you can't have him back. Nor would he
> go back. So back off.
> he loves hawaiian pizza and burger queen much better than jellied eels.
> who wouldn't?

[honeyinmytea]

I thought he had a padlock on it.

[The Smiths]

Do I need to be vulgar like you be to clear?

> he eats Lucky Charms breakfast cereal and that's 100% American,
> dudes/dedettes.
> he lives in AMERICA. all arguments after that little tidbit are NULL and
> VOID dingleberry. he bought into AMERICA 1000000% you English Moz
> wannabees. he's ours and FDrankly, you can't have him back. Nor would he
> go back. So back off.
> he loves hawaiian pizza and burger queen much better than jellied eels.
> who wouldn't?

[Ruffian]

> he may be influenced by new york dolls that is an american band.

> he may be influenced by james dean that is an american actor.

> any americanisms? i couldn`t go so far.

Point taken. But does any of his work sound like the Dolls? I would assert, no. James Dean is a fascination for the world. That is art and is right to be held as an object of curiosty and admiration. Like Oscar Wilde. But to say Morrissey has American affcetions in his vocal is way off.. which was my original point.

His quintessential Englishness will always be his charm..

He can live where he likes, and eat the breakfast cereal of his choice in the country of his choice. But until he comes back to this grey old land and can tap into his angst again.. he'll never be great again.

[DigitalVD]

His "greatness" has nothing to do with him being British. His "greatness" had everything to do with the partnership between him and Marr, which is over, which is why we won't see such "greatness" ever again.

If he's "great" for anything now it's for wising up and moving to L.A.!

> He can live where he likes, and eat the breakfast cereal of his choice in
> the country of his choice. But until he comes back to this grey old land
> and can tap into his angst again.. he'll never be great again.

[honeyinmytea]

> His quintessential Englishness will always be his charm..

That no one can deny

[Ruffian]

> His "greatness" has nothing to do with him being British. His
> "greatness" had everything to do with the partnership between
> him and Marr, which is over, which is why we won't see such
> "greatness" ever again.

Yes.. the partnership is up there with Lennon/MacCarteny!

> If he's "great" for anything now it's for wising up and moving
> to L.A.!

Don't get me on about what LA 'where the living is easy...' has done to Morrissey. As James once sang.. 'Come Home'..

And I'm not full of myself as a Brit at all. Simply trying to have a well balanced opinion on stuff.. and to re-iterate, I did assert this was not an anti American post.. why should it be?

[Ruffian]

[Lord Snoot]

> His "greatness" has nothing to do with him being British. His
> "greatness" had everything to do with the partnership between
> him and Marr, which is over, which is why we won't see such
> "greatness" ever again.

> If he's "great" for anything now it's for wising up and moving
> to L.A.!

Is it true the reason 50% of Americans didn't vote in the election was because they were too fat to fit in the polling booths ?

Come back to England Moz, America obviously hasn't inspired you, otherwise you would have released an album.

[Saitan]

And your excuse for why MOZ doesn't live in England?
I wonder. he must LOATHE it and the people there.

> Is it true the reason 50% of Americans didn't vote in the election was
> because they were too fat to fit in the polling booths ?

> Come back to England Moz, America obviously hasn't inspired you, otherwise
> you would have released an album.

[honeyinmytea]

> And your excuse for why MOZ doesn't live in England?
> I wonder. he must LOATHE it and the people there.

I think he feels the British music fans have devoured the NME tommyrot and are out to club him. If I were loathed and vilified in my own little village, I'd pack up and take off to more hospitable lodgings. LA suits him now. Maybe next year it'll be New Zealand.

Whatever soothes his soul -

[Fabricio]

> Point taken. But does any of his work sound like the Dolls?

but sometimes sound like rockabilly, that is an american style.

and the rest of time morrissey is completely original, don`t you think?

> I would
> assert, no. James Dean is a fascination for the world. That is art and is
> right to be held as an object of curiosty and admiration.

i don`t know - james dean is as much art as the work of morrissey himself, and moz is an object of curiosity and admiration too.

> Like Oscar
> Wilde. But to say Morrissey has American affcetions in his vocal is way
> off.. which was my original point.

> His quintessential Englishness will always be his charm..

mmm... perhaps - but sometimes he looks like elvis, that is american too.

> He can live where he likes, and eat the breakfast cereal of his choice in
> the country of his choice. But until he comes back to this grey old land
> and can tap into his angst again.. he'll never be great again.

this is pushing too far your love for england, don`t you think?

he made a wondeful job in usa as well as in usa. For me he is always great, and i can show you many examples of that...

[jeane]

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[Fabricio]

> Pray it never is New Zealand....

well, brazil is in the south too... i would love if he lives here!!!

[Ruffian]

> but sometimes sound like rockabilly, that is an american style.

Rockabilly is, I suppose, an orginally American style.. and popularised here in the sixties with the Mods and the rockers.. his influence was most likely from the 50's/60's scene here. Was you part of that massive movement here at that time that you can see the most likely source of his isnspiration (see Quadrophenia)?

And the rockabilly influence is, as you correctly state, ONLY occassional.

> and the rest of time morrissey is completely original, don`t you think?

Mostly original in the solo years. The Smiths were truly unique.

> i don`t know - james dean is as much art as the work of morrissey himself,
> and moz is an object of curiosity and admiration too.

Of course they've both object d'art. As idle as Morrissey is now.

> mmm... perhaps - but sometimes he looks like elvis, that is american too.

But where did Elvis get his influence from.. I dunno? Black blues artists..? seems tenuous. Not sure if Moz has ever been compared or put into the Elvis bracket. Another first here!

> this is pushing too far your love for england, don`t you think?

I am European.. Not English. But yes, England owes me a living..

> he made a wondeful job in usa as well as in usa. For me he is always
> great, and i can show you many examples of that...

Now this is where we massively differ.. PLEASE Give me examples of when he ever been more a creative, potent and vital since he has been in California.

Good debate though. But You need to have walked the streets and to have felt that angst over here in the 70/80's for yourself.. then you'll know where I'm coming from, and where Morrissey is coming from too.

Ruffian...

[Donatela]

[Manchester Lad]

> Moz is as American as apple pie. He turned his back on England. I mean the
> French did. So it *must* be ok.

> Anyway, Moz has gone *way* Hollywood anywho. Sure beats cold, wet, dreary,
> hazy england. I heard he never like it to begin with. Makes two of us.

> Sarah

Sarah, what makes England dreary ?

[honeyinmytea]

> what makes England dreary ?

The absence of Morrissey from the land?

I've only seen England in the sunshine.
Perhaps I've merely been very lucky.

[Kristi]

Are you saying you dislike Morrissey for this or are you just commenting on it in general? What is hollywood about him? I heard that he is hanging out with Michael Stipe and Courtney Love who I don't see too much of in hollywood at the moment, but would you really classify him as American? I think he Mozian haha. The only thing I would fault him for is not touring or keeping in touch with his fans I think he owes them that, but maybe its because he has no new material, it does seem like he is a lot happier than he used to be, and maybe depression was his inspiration. Well I was just confused it sounded like you were mad at him for becoming American yet then agreeing that you don't like England. Which is it?

[russ t]

...and DigitalVD.... oh please quit your tiresome little rants. We're British, remember, we don't suffer Americans easily.

Many thanks.

> His "greatness" has nothing to do with him being British. His
> "greatness" had everything to do with the partnership between
> him and Marr, which is over, which is why we won't see such
> "greatness" ever again.

> If he's "great" for anything now it's for wising up and moving
> to L.A.!