Why Haven't You Downloaded YOR?

[Vauxhall95]

I'm curious as to why any fan would abstain from downloading Morrissey's newest album? As best as I can tell, the arguments boil down to: "I'm saving myself for the street date, or it's somehow stealing from Morrissey." Both just seem screwed up to me. As mediocre as I find the album to be, I'll buy it when it comes out. I'm a completest, I want every album. As for this idea of stealing from Morrissey, what do you call charging $11.99 a piece for an import CD single of "I'm Throwing My Arms Around Paris" for the title track and one b-side. That's highway robbery.

Anyway, I want to hear from all you morally superior Years of Refusal virgins.

[Kewpie]

I'd rather buy a CD and listen to the album.

Also I'm not a computer savvy, don't bother download it.

[Not Right in the Head]

I have a promise ring to remind me of my pledge not to lose my YoR virginity until it's officially released.

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[Not Right in the Head]

Also I'm not computer savvy
Surely you're joking.

[Vauxhall95]

I'd rather buy a CD and listen to the album.

Also I'm not computer savvy, don't bother download it.

So, you're "not computer savvy" but you moderate an online forum? WTF?:confused:

[Vauxhall95]

I have a promise ring to remind me of my pledge not to lose my YoR virginity until it's officially released.

http://hostingdoordemo.net/fos/fosj01_01/images/4110F2R28ZL._AA280_.jpg

I know that's exactly what it reminds me of. I find the mindset truly disturbing. Do these people think they have a special relationship with Morrissey? Do they think he knows they exist?

[Kewpie]

Surely you're joking.


So, you're "not computer savvy" but you moderate an online forum? WTF?:confused:


Luckily vBulliten software is designed for someone like me. :p

[Not Right in the Head]

I know that's exactly what it reminds me of. I find the mindset truly disturbing. Do these people think they have a special relationship with Morrissey? Do they think he knows they exist?

"These people"? You mean me? I just have no interest in pre-release pirated copies. I've never downloaded anything that people here have PMed me before the release date.

[Vauxhall95]

Luckily vBulliten software is designed for someone like me. :p

You know Kewpie. Somehow I think if you applied yourself, I truly believe you could save a file to your PC...

[Not Right in the Head]

Luckily vBulliten software is designed for someone like me. :p

Seriously, though--you seem to keep track of bootlegs & stuff, and yet you don't download any yourself?

[Vauxhall95]

"These people"? You mean me? I just have no interest in pre-release pirated copies. I've never downloaded anything that people here have PMed me before the release date.

Yeah, you too biiatch!:):):):)

Explain yourself!:D

[Corrissey]

I know I've given my reasons in other threads, but basically...

This.


I'd rather buy a CD and listen to the album.

Also I'm not a computer savvy, I don't bother downloading it.

And Vaux, you're the one linking me to stuff :rolleyes: ;)

[mcrickson]

See, the thing is, I'm doing very well right now (thank you, drop dead :D). But in all honesty, I've had this eerie feeling recently that something bad is going to happen in my life very soon, so I'm waiting til whatever that is to happen so I can have YoR to fall back on. Yes, it may seem a little strange. But that's because it is! :)

[Vauxhall95]

I know I've given my reasons in other threads, but basically...

This.



And Vaux, you're the one linking me to stuff :rolleyes: ;)

Hehe... I know. I try to hook you up, and you dis me!:D

[limetree]

I really don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to download the album, especially these hardcore fans. They'd end up buying it anyhow. And these people, myself included, probably spend a couple hundred dollars for concert tickets, following him around everywhere, so I don't know why they'd feel guilty or anything.

[Vauxhall95]

See, the thing is, I'm doing very well right now (thank you, drop dead :D). But in all honesty, I've had this eerie feeling recently that something bad is going to happen in my life very soon, so I'm waiting til whatever that is to happen so I can have YoR to fall back on. Yes, it may seem a little strange. But that's because it is! :)

Did you ever consider that YOR might be "the something bad" about to happen?:)

[Vauxhall95]

I really don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to download the album, especially these hardcore fans. They'd end up buying it anyhow. And these people, myself included, probably spend a couple hundred dollars for concert tickets, following him around everywhere, so I don't know why they'd feel guilty or anything.

I know! By the time February comes the only thing left to talk about will be the linear notes and b-sides.:)

[Kewpie]

I really don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to download the album, especially these hardcore fans. They'd end up buying it anyhow. And these people, myself included, probably spend a couple hundred dollars for concert tickets, following him around everywhere, so I don't know why they'd feel guilty or anything.

It's not guilt issue.
I'd like to listen to a proper album.
The quality of the sound is slightly different.
I use a laptop which sound quality isn't the same as officially manufactured CDs.

[travelcard]

I really don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to download the album, especially these hardcore fans. They'd end up buying it anyhow. And these people, myself included, probably spend a couple hundred dollars for concert tickets, following him around everywhere, so I don't know why they'd feel guilty or anything.

that's my thesis..!

[Deego]

I know that's exactly what it reminds me of. I find the mindset truly disturbing. Do these people think they have a special relationship with Morrissey? Do they think he knows they exist?

You sir, are a complete throbber.

[Vauxhall95]

You sir, are a complete throbber.

I'm what? What am I? A throbber? I'm fairly sure I've just been insulted, but I'm not sure. Please elaborate, it's okay I'm a big boy I can take it.:)

[Corrissey]

Hehe... I know. I try to hook you up, and you dis me!:D

Thanks for not pressuring me. :o:p

p.s. I have 6 live YoR tracks on CD, so shush!! :mad:

I get what mcrickson says, you instinctually link music to a lot of different times in your lives. Esp if you're feeling on the verge of something...hopefully good ;) YoR seems to have its highs and lows & an energy of its own even if you think it is medicore. The man could sing me the phonebook and I'd buy it. :guitar:

[Vauxhall95]

Thanks for not pressuring me. :o:p



No problem, I figure when the time's right it'll just happen between us.:p

[CrystalGeezer]

Thanks for not pressuring me. :o:p

p.s. I have 6 live YoR tracks on CD, so shush!! :mad:

I get what mcrickson says, you instinctually link music to a lot of different times in your lives. Esp if you're feeling on the verge of something...hopefully good ;) YoR seems to have its highs and lows & an energy of its own even if you think it is medicore. The man could sing me the phonebook and I'd buy it. :guitar:

Especially if he sang your name and number. Then you could be "A SOMEBODY" and Morrissey could be the one to tell you. :sweet: Now if only you could get him to show you your special purpose, then you'd be on to something. :)

[Velvis]

I'm curious as to why any fan would abstain from downloading Morrissey's newest album?

Well there's a couple of reasons for me:

1. I'm quite old and still dont own an MP3 player - I still don't see a download as a proper album. I want to get the CD (or vinyl!) in my hands complete with artwork etc.

2. In the early days of Napster I was working at a design agency where we used to regularly download music for free. I was broke back then and saw no harm in stealing music. Now I'm doing ok and feel a bit guilty about my old ways. So I buy my music these days - I can wait! It's bloody frustrating tho' believe me!!!

[limetree]

It's not guilt issue.
I'd like to listen to a proper album.
The quality of the sound is slightly different.
I use a laptop which sound quality isn't the same as officially manufactured CDs.

You've got a point, but for me the difference isn't very big and worth $20. I'll probably end up buying it if it's released as a vinyl though.

[travelcard]

Thanks for not pressuring me. :o:p

p.s. I have 6 live YoR tracks on CD, so shush!! :mad:

I get what mcrickson says, you instinctually link music to a lot of different times in your lives. Esp if you're feeling on the verge of something...hopefully good ;) YoR seems to have its highs and lows & an energy of its own even if you think it is medicore. The man could sing me the phonebook and I'd buy it. :guitar:

ahah, yeah, i bet the tracks would be like:

1. The world if full of phone numbers
2. The more you ignore me the more I call you

:P

[Vauxhall95]

Well there's a couple of reasons for me:

1. I'm quite old and still dont own an MP3 player - I still don't see a download as a proper album. I want to get the CD (or vinyl!) in my hands complete with artwork etc.

2. In the early days of Napster I was working at a design agency where we used to regularly download music for free. I was broke back then and saw no harm in stealing music. Now I'm doing ok and feel a bit guilty about my old ways. So I buy my music these days - I can wait! It's bloody frustrating tho' believe me!!!

But if you're going to buy it, what difference does it make? Plus, I'm sure you have a CD player in your car, home, computer, etc.

Come on, all the cool people are doing it!:D

[travelcard]

But if you're going to buy it, what difference does it make? Plus, I'm sure you have a CD player in your car, home, computer, etc.

Come on, all the cool people are doing it!:D

..."that's how people grow upppppppp" la la la :P

[Corrissey]

Especially if he sang your name and number. Then you could be "A SOMEBODY" and Morrissey could be the one to tell you. :sweet: Now if only you could get him to show you your special purpose, then you'd be on to something. :)

HA HA! Love ya CG! Hey, I thought I already was somebody... a 'regular fan' :p


ahah, yeah, i bet the tracks would be like:

1. The world if full of phone numbers
2. The more you ignore me the more I call you

:P

lol :D I sense a new thread. :cool:

Moz can reach me at 773-202-LUNA

[9 x Fined]

I personify the reason people shouldn't download illegally. I downloaded it, basically loathe it and won't be spending my hard earned money on it.

[Slip-In]

Although I have downloaded the albumn, I intend to buy both Standard and Limited Edition of this album, even though I'm not thrilled with it. I will admit, it is the first time I have illegaly downloaded an album, I was very curious like some of you here to hear the new material, I still maintain, the last two singles should have left out, I'm certain there are other B-sides they could have included but oh, well, LOL.

As for imported singles prices, the best thing to do is get someone from the UK mail them to you, providing you pay for the stuff, or in my case, I've had several UK pals send them to me for free but not always, LOL.

But I know what you mean, its a bit too much to have to pay almost $15 for a 2CD set single.

Any idea if Universal USA will release the singles yet, anyone?

[PregnantForTheLastTime]

I haven't downloaded it. I have already paid for it, twice, via the iTunes presale for one of the shows and from recordstore.uk.

Maybe it's partly because I already know half the songs. I remember the intense excitement of buying an eagerly-anticipated new album. I remember going straight from school on a Tuesday to buy a new CD I'd been waiting for. I remember sitting in the back row of seats on a city bus, peeling the cellophane off my fresh new cassette copy of Strangeways, sliding it into my Walkman, pressing play, and waiting those tantalizing extra few seconds until the first song began. I miss that kind of excitement. So many things in adult life are disappointing. So maybe I am trying to reclaim some of that Christmas Eve excitement, any way I can.

[Dave]

Because they have some bizarre theory about magic CD's that contain the real music.

[David]

I remember sitting in the back row of seats on a city bus, peeling the cellophane off my fresh new cassette copy of Strangeways, sliding it into my Walkman, pressing play, and waiting those tantalizing extra few seconds until the first song began. I miss that kind of excitement. So many things in adult life are disappointing. So maybe I am trying to reclaim some of that Christmas Eve excitement, any way I can.
I downloaded the record, put it on my iPod the second it was unzipped, got into bed with my headphones on and listened to it all the way through. It's the same sort of feeling.

Also somebody earlier cited sound quality as a reason for not downloading the record illegally. This is a misconception. This is only a "pirated" version in that it has been released prematurely. The mp3 record I am listening to and the CD version you will be listening to in February are exactly the same.

[Not Right in the Head]

Also somebody earlier cited sound quality as a reason for not downloading the record illegally. This is a misconception. This is only a "pirated" version in that it has been released prematurely. The mp3 record I am listening to and the CD version you will be listening to in February are exactly the same.

Not exactly. The MP3s were created from a CD, but there's some loss of quality in the conversion process--even if you have 320kpbs MP3s. But close enough.

[David]

True, true. I just mean that the problem lies not with the pirating itself but with the format which is the same whether you download it or buy the disc and then burn it.

[Not Right in the Head]

True, true. I just mean that the problem lies not with the pirating itself but with the format which is the same whether you download it or buy the disc and then burn it.

Ok, I see what you mean.

I don't think I have more than a couple pirated songs in my entire collection. I don't know why; of course I'd have a much, much broader musical knowledge if I grabbed whatever I wanted from wherever I wanted. I guess I like looking at my wall of CDs and knowing that the RIAA can't bust me for having anything pirated, I guess.

Now live bootlegs, on the other hand... :o

[Kieran]

I enjoy the anticipation.
It's a dieing art.

[Not Right in the Head]

I enjoy the anticipation.
It's a dieing art.

As is spelling.

[zepfan1]

I have been reading some of the interviews/posts etc. over the last couple of weeks and it seems that he respects and appreciates his fans.

So, why not do the same for him?

I have the greatest respect for Morrissey as an artist and human being trying to make something that is viable and from his heart.

Call me sentimental, but I would think that his seasoned fans would see it the same way?

Besides, it is stealing, why mess with the man's livelihood?

:confused::confused:

[Dave]

The free stuff is often better quality than iTunes, though I read that iTunes is trying to lower prices, remove DRM, and offer better quality, and in mp3 as well.

However, you're still buying a compressed file and it's not the same as a CD. But I mostly listen to mp3's anyway, and on my computer, even though I have a decent stereo with turntable.

Point is, iTunes is a scam. If that is how you are going to purchase the record, or if you are going to listen to mp3's of it, you might as well get it now.

It is disappointing to open Christmas presents early but a record is different, in my opinion. The RIAA announced they won't be busting people anymore anyway, and are leaving it up to your Internet Service Provider. These people try to sell you faster service with more download capability. What do they think you are doing with it? Do they care?

The only way I could see them caring is if you set up your computer as a sort of server and had it operating to use your full bandwidth at all times. Otherwise, they don't want to bust you and it only takes a couple of minutes to download an album, so they aren't going to jump on you for it.

Always use PeerGuardian (http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/), though, and remember to update it, just in case. This is a program you should run whenever you are downloading. It is easy to set up and use.

[Dave]

I have been reading some of the interviews/posts etc. over the last couple of weeks and it seems that he respects and appreciates his fans.

So, why not do the same for him?

I have the greatest respect for Morrissey as an artist and human being trying to make something that is viable and from his heart.

Call me sentimental, but I would think that his seasoned fans would see it the same way?

Besides, it is stealing, why mess with the man's livelihood?

:confused::confused:

Some restaurants make you pay before you eat and at others you pay after. If you sit down and eat before you pay, are you stealing until the time you pay?

this assumes that everyone that downloaded will also buy it. I will and I'm sure many people will.

[senorxxxbubbles]

Don't you remember back in the old days when you went down to the record store at midnight excited to get the new record? The feeling of anticipation is lost if you can simply just go out and steal the record over the inernet.

If you like Morrissey, buy the music.


Downloading available songs(excluding bootlegs/live sets) is downright lazy and proves you won't pay the entertainer for the entertainment.

I don't believe people when they say "I plan to buy the record when it comes out"

[nocturn0wl]

My reason is quite simple: I don't download ANYTHING. I don't even have a downloading/file sharing program on my computer. I used to years ago (on my old computer), however, I feel that over time, it becomes a safety issue more than anything (what with viruses and all). So when I got my new computer, I just went the safe route and decided not to do downloads at all.

Plus I prefer actual CDs over digital music. Call me crazy (or old-fashioned)!

[elusivecharm]

I did download it, but it gave my computer a horrible virus that I can't get rid of, so I deleted all the tracks before I got to listen to them. Didnt' work, though.

Thanks Morrisey! ;)

[EPbabe]

I did download it, but it gave my computer a horrible virus that I can't get rid of, so I deleted all the tracks before I got to listen to them. Didnt' work, though.

Thanks Morrisey! ;)

The beckoning finger of fate! :eek:

To answer the question: I don't do illegal downloading. And, I prefer the thrill of getting my hands on the cd for the first time.

[zepfan1]

Some restaurants make you pay before you eat and at others you pay after. If you sit down and eat before you pay, are you stealing until the time you pay?

this assumes that everyone that downloaded will also buy it. I will and I'm sure many people will.



I respect musicians and artists so for me to take something as free that they earn their bread and butter on is just wrong.

The example of a meal at the end somewhat of a misplaced analogy.

Food is an art form, in some arenas, but it is something that is temporary and you pretty much "eliminate" the end product, sorry to be graphic.

You can bring home memories or mementos from your meal but the experience is fleeting and there is never the same meal again. You pay for a one time experience, maybe my point is weak.

What I am trying to say is music is an art form - something that stays with you and is recorded for all time. Even if you experience one thing from it, you at least go back and look at the product, experience the music, analyze the "product" - gain new experiences from listening and experiencing the music. It is not a one time experience - it is not eliminated and forgotten. It is more tangible than something that passes through your system. (On the other hand, there is Brittany Spears...ahem) What I am getting at is I think that comparing a meal with music doesn’t seem to make sense.


Sorry, maybe I am not making sense. Music to me is more of an art form and comparing it to something as simple as buying something at McDonalds is degrading the artist and the value of th art :tears:

[the_kaz]

U-Decide if this true makes me justified in having downloaded Years:

Most of the people at my work hadn't heard of Morrissey or The Smiths before they started working there. But, because I've been there for longer than anyone else and I used to always play Morrissey/The Smiths, anyone who starts very quickly learns who he is and, almost as quickly, form an opinion of the man that will never change. My workplace officially became divided between those who love Morrissey, and those who loathe him.

I've recently started playing Years at work on a regular basis. The Morrissey fans obviously really like it, but the interesting fact is that all of the non-Morrissey fans like it too. In fact, one very anti-Morrissey fan was converted to Morrissey through listening to it, and now he's going to legally obtain all of his albums. All of the non-Morrissey fans have stated that they want to buy this album. One of them had no idea that we were listening to Morrissey, and just thought that it was some rocking indie album I was playing.

Also, I'm going to be buying a copy for myself on the day of release anyway. I haven't stolen anything, and nobody is loosing out on anything.

[zepfan1]

:rolleyes:

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM......... you do have a valid point.

Converting the lost/ignorant/non believers by playing the music is a good way of getting the Morrissey message across.

It can be used as a tool for enlightenment so to speak.

I just have issue with people who don't pay for it on any level, I guess.

I guess it depends on the situation. At least you will pay for it at sometime!

:D

[King Leer]

I've downloaded lots of music, including Morrissey stuff (bootlegs, rare tracks, etc.) but when it comes to a new Morrissey album, for that first listening I want to hear it play off of CD for the quality (mp3s are okay later), with the booklet in my hands, looking at the images etc.

Morrissey is the only artist I keep this "primitive" brick and mortar ritual alive for, so why stop now? I do the same with singles though if it's like Paris, I'm only going to buy CD1 and d/l the CD2 b-side (on iTunes or for free if necessary) -- I'm not that insane.

[EPbabe]

Also, I'm going to be buying a copy for myself on the day of release anyway. I haven't stolen anything, and nobody is loosing out on anything.

Downloading illegally a copy of the album, without the consent of the authors, months before the official release date isn't stealing? You are going to pay for the hard copy - but not the version you downloaded. Or are you just going to take it from the shop, without paying for it? Why would that be different?

I'd love if people wouldn't try to find all kinds of excuses for having downloaded the album. You downloaded it because you wanted to. I could've done it too, but I decided not to. That's all.

[spacehopper]

Quite right, it's starkly illegal, even if a lot of people do it , and they can justify it in their own mind. Which begs the question of when it is wrong to break the law - in my book only when it's morally right to do so, and I don't think this gets anywhere near. It's categorically the case that by downloading it, and publicising it, some people (maybe not you) won't buy it, and that deprives the owner of the music of his reward. You have stolen from him, even if you then buy the CD/legal download.

It's interesting to me that some moderators of this site are openly saying that they too downloaded it (I apologise in advance if I've got that wrong), and on another thread one of them notes that solo is no longer linked on morrissey's new site.

[the beast]

I'd rather buy a CD and listen to the album.

Also I'm not a computer savvy, don't bother download it.

thats me as well:)

[Tito]

why would i download an album i'm gonna end up buying?

[EPbabe]

It's interesting to me that some moderators of this site are openly saying that they too downloaded it (I apologise in advance if I've got that wrong), and on another thread one of them notes that solo is no longer linked on morrissey's new site.

It is interesting indeed, especially because it's so clearly violating the TOS:

"# upload, post, email, transmit or otherwise make available any Content that infringes any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other proprietary rights ("Rights") of any party;"

[the beast]

It is interesting indeed, especially because it's so clearly violating the TOS:

"# upload, post, email, transmit or otherwise make available any Content that infringes any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other proprietary rights ("Rights") of any party;"

blahblahblahblah:p telling tales again?:p

[LivingWell]

Hi all! I'm new to this board, so this will be my first post : )

I'm not downloading the album because it's illegal! Why would I want to be a criminal? There are no good arguments for downloading the album.
I really don't understand how people think... just because a lot of people commit a crime (in this case downloading) doesn't make it all right does it? Weird! What would happen if you apply that idea on other things in society as well? There would be chaos!

Besides, it's much more fun buying a new record the day it comes out and go home, look through the artwork, listen to it, and make it a little more special than just downloading some crappy mp3 files and play them in the computer.

[justme]

I've downloaded lots of music, including Morrissey stuff (bootlegs, rare tracks, etc.) but when it comes to a new Morrissey album, for that first listening I want to hear it play off of CD for the quality (mp3s are okay later), with the booklet in my hands, looking at the images etc.

Morrissey is the only artist I keep this "primitive" brick and mortar ritual alive for, so why stop now? I do the same with singles though if it's like Paris, I'm only going to buy CD1 and d/l the CD2 b-side (on iTunes or for free if necessary) -- I'm not that insane.

I am exactly the same. I didn't download (never do) but this week I have heard the album at a friend´s place (they tricked me! :p:D;))- my first impression was great - seemed very cinematic but now I am waiting for the release to listen to it again (and again...).

p.s-my friend is going to buy it as well, but I imagine not everybody does it and that is not right! :(

[Anaesthesine]

1. Because I've been a professional musician for most of my adult life and, while I respect the anarchic ideal behind pirated music, I also understand what it is to carefully record, produce and assemble a final recording, only to have it carelessly spread around without my consent. Solidarity.

2. I am a bit of a studio geek, and hi-fidelity is very important to me. I want that first listen to be as pristine as possible (even though my sound system sucks :().

3. I am a hopeless romantic.

[Danny_]

I downloaded it, simply because I couldn't wait. I also didn't want my first reactions to the record to be coloured by what people say on this forum. I wanted to make my own mind up.

But, I am still excited about the release date and will buy it the day of release because I still feel that I haven't really heard it. It's sort of like listening to a preview on myspace for me. The actual physical record is completely different.

[travelcard]

I downloaded it, simply because I couldn't wait. I also didn't want my first reactions to the record to be coloured by what people say on this forum. I wanted to make my own mind up.

But, I am still excited about the release date and will buy it the day of release because I still feel that I haven't really heard it. It's sort of like listening to a preview on myspace for me. The actual physical record is completely different.

exactly. if people don't want to download it, that's fine, but i don't buy things like this is "stealing", "disrespectful for morrissey" or means "we [the downloaders] are not as fans as those who wait". the excitement whilst listening to new songs of an artist we love is always there, however and whenever you do it. it's irrelevant, i believe. music is not a physical thing anyway, it's not like photocopying a book instead of buying it. when i buy an album i think of it more like a piece of art, which i protect and take care of in a religious way - because i always end up ripping and listen to it in mp3 anyway, not to damage the record. but this is just me.. :)

[justme]

I am still excited about the release date and will buy it the day of release because I still feel that I haven't really heard it. It's sort of like listening to a preview on myspace for me. The actual physical record is completely different.

I agree, There is a special feeling about holding a new Moz record - checking the pictures, the credits, the lyrics and listening to the album in all its glory :D

[Stoned]

I am just an old fashioned guy who wants and will always go down the traditional way, why spoil all the fun now??
Cheers Moz

[sarahT]

I've never downloaded anything, I don't believe in it.

[Anaesthesine]

U-Decide if this true makes me justified in having downloaded Years:

Most of the people at my work hadn't heard of Morrissey or The Smiths before they started working there. But, because I've been there for longer than anyone else and I used to always play Morrissey/The Smiths, anyone who starts very quickly learns who he is and, almost as quickly, form an opinion of the man that will never change. My workplace officially became divided between those who love Morrissey, and those who loathe him.

I've recently started playing Years at work on a regular basis. The Morrissey fans obviously really like it, but the interesting fact is that all of the non-Morrissey fans like it too. In fact, one very anti-Morrissey fan was converted to Morrissey through listening to it, and now he's going to legally obtain all of his albums. All of the non-Morrissey fans have stated that they want to buy this album. One of them had no idea that we were listening to Morrissey, and just thought that it was some rocking indie album I was playing.

Also, I'm going to be buying a copy for myself on the day of release anyway. I haven't stolen anything, and nobody is loosing out on anything.

Interesting.

The fact that non-Morrissey and anti-Morrissey people really like YOR means that it is objectively a pretty good (if not great) indie album. :guitar:

Still, this is no justification for illegal downloading; you could have waited until the official release, and the same thing would have happened.

[echobay]

U-Decide if this true makes me justified in having downloaded Years:

Most of the people at my work hadn't heard of Morrissey or The Smiths before they started working there. But, because I've been there for longer than anyone else and I used to always play Morrissey/The Smiths, anyone who starts very quickly learns who he is and, almost as quickly, form an opinion of the man that will never change. My workplace officially became divided between those who love Morrissey, and those who loathe him.

I've recently started playing Years at work on a regular basis. The Morrissey fans obviously really like it, but the interesting fact is that all of the non-Morrissey fans like it too. In fact, one very anti-Morrissey fan was converted to Morrissey through listening to it, and now he's going to legally obtain all of his albums. All of the non-Morrissey fans have stated that they want to buy this album. One of them had no idea that we were listening to Morrissey, and just thought that it was some rocking indie album I was playing.

Also, I'm going to be buying a copy for myself on the day of release anyway. I haven't stolen anything, and nobody is loosing out on anything.

Alays good to hear stories of people getting converted into Morrissey fans. Good work, kaz! :)

[Not Right in the Head]

To answer the question: I don't do illegal downloading. And, I prefer the thrill of getting my hands on the cd for the first time.

How easy is it to find Moz CDs there?

[ringchase]

i havent downloaded this album cause i dont have sound on my computer, and my computer sucks.

[Vauxhall95]

I'm not downloading the album because it's illegal! Why would I want to be a criminal? There are no good arguments for downloading the album.
I really don't understand how people think... just because a lot of people commit a crime (in this case downloading) doesn't make it all right does it? Weird! What would happen if you apply that idea on other things in society as well? There would be chaos!

Breaking the rules from time to time is a liberating experience, you should try it. I'll tell you a secret: I also speed when no one is around, and I don't always signal a lane change. Incorrigible reprobate, yep that's me.:D

[nugz]

Breaking the rules from time to time is a liberating experience, you should try it. I'll tell you a secret: I also speed when no one is around, and I don't always signal a lane change. Incorrigible reprobate, yep that's me.:D

I jaywalk. I'm hell-bound for sure.

oh and when I'm feeling really naughty, I smoke within 15 feet of hospitals

[the_kaz]

The fact that non-Morrissey and anti-Morrissey people really like YOR means that it is objectively a pretty good (if not great) indie album. :guitar:

Exactly. If you forget for a moment that it's Morrissey, and you lose all of those associations and expectations that you would have for a new Morrissey album, what you end up with a very good indie rock album. Everyone at my work leaves the radio on X-FM if we aren't listening to somebody's iPod or CD. Most of the people at my work are white male twenty-somethings who listen predominantly to indie and rock. Years of Refusal is very much the Morrissey album for that kind of listener. I think that it has the capability to bring in a lot of young new fans in a way that none of his other albums have been able to for a long time, especially at a time when Morrissey has been constantly receiving praise from some very popular bands of today (The Killers, My Chemical Romance, Paramore, Fall Out Boy, and so on). Some people around here will go into violent rages of anger at hearing that, but I think that it's a great thing.

In regards to your second point, about downloading, you are very right. I downloaded it, I'm going to buy it because I think it's good and I like having the real copies of things, I don't care. It's all good. :)

[Vauxhall95]

I jaywalk. I'm hell-bound for sure.

oh and when I'm feeling really naughty, I smoke within 15 feet of hospitals

I am so turned on right now!:horny:

[EPbabe]

How easy is it to find Moz CDs there?

I can always order it on amazon if I can't find it in a shop.

[Dave]

It is a relatively new concept, that an album can be available before it is officially released. It is because of changes in technology that this has occurred. In the past before we listened to digital music, you couldn't make an exact copy. It used to be a big deal when a band's live performance was broadcast on the radio, and people would sit there with their radio/cassette players and record the show. Sometimes these tapes would be dubbed/duplicated, with a loss of quality, and traded to friends, so they could also hear the King Biscuit Flour Hour.

Anyway...

The point is that things have changed. The experience of listening to music or watching movies has changed a lot with digital technology. It has given the consumer a lot more freedom, but some people think it has cheapened the whole experience. However, as record stores continue to fail and people buy music from Amazon and iTunes, younger people are not going to know what it was like to await the day a record was released.

If you are clinging to this, that's fine, but you're living in the past, really. The way you are doing things is going to become obsolete and unknown.

At the same time...

The ability to hear the new record for free before it is released may ALSO be a temporary thing. The only reason this is possible is because of the way the record is distributed. It is possible that the record companies will move away from the model they use now.

One way they could do this is to manufacture CD's that are encrypted and release the key on the release date. They might also release the record digitally in advance of the physical release. This would be the easiest thing to do right now, I think.

The point I"m trying to make is that there will be an adjustment made to offset this advance in technology that has worked in the consumer's favor. iTunes is starting to get the message that we don't need to buy digital files, and that we are just trying to be courteous, and they are working to change the way they sell music, to make it more attractive and worthwhile for the consumer.

Things are a little lopsided right now, but someone will figure out a way to fix it.


As far as some of the other arguments above saying that listening in advance is stealing, that just isn't true. It is only stealing if you don't pay. If you buy the CD when it is released, the fact that you had a copy beforehand doesn't seem to me like stealing.

(this thread has great tags) :D

[Kewpie]

Some consumers have more freedom.

Given how much some concert tickets cost nowadays, it would actually be a nice idea if they include the album when they send the tickets to you. :)




You are fully aware of freedom of choice, yet damanding freebie is not right.

[Kewpie]

Do you think it would be wrong to send CDs to people that they did not ask for?

Your question is totally different issue.

If people didn't ask a CD, but someone sent one with no strings attached, it's perfectly alright.

No one is forced you to buy YOR, but if you like Morrissey you'd like to have a copy, wouldn't you?

Earlier I said it's not a guilt issue that I haven't downloaded it.
I prefer to listen to a proper CD because of the sound quality.

[Kewpie]

I don't want to go into this too much, because I bought the tickets and I will buy the album. Nevertheless the inflation rate has been immense if you look at ticket prices during the past 5 years. I heard they try to compensate decreased album sales due to illegal downloads. If this is true, then this would mean that I pay for the illegal downloads that other people do and for my legal purchases.


Again you misunderstand ticket price, CD sales and illegal downloading.

Morrissey started his career in 1982, he's gifted enough to continue to make a living in the industry.

Someone posted U2's concert ticket price is higher than Morrissey's which explains some other bigger bands exploit the situation more than Morrissey.

[Walkers Crisp]

I'm eagerly looking forward to my first YOR listening experience, holding the booklet in my hand, reading the lyrics, watching the artwork, ecetera pepe...roll on Feb. 13!! I don't want to spoil this pleasure by prematurely downloading it, thats the only reason for me.

Yes, I'm old-fashioned :o.

[dunya]

Time. Now or later, it doesn't matter. I'm not as impatient as those who must hear it now.

There is now less money to be made from CDs. Most downloads are illegal and the companies are giving up on trying to hold back the tide. They do want to protect their profits, and so touring, merchandise, revenue from music used in adverts and airplay are of greater importance. The touts push up the price of tickets, releasing a few tickets at a time creates the illusion of scarcity, driving up prices. Reserving tickets for agencies that sell on at a profit..... is it illegal for any of these agents to be owned by the record companies, or artists. Probably.:confused:

I'm not convinced by the "everyone does it, so why not me?" argument.

I'd like to have the CD in my hands when I play it. Electronically stored media is always vulnerable to sudden loss. Crashes, viruses, theft, etc..

Regardless of the above, the musicians worked hard to produce the album and deserve the reward. Hopefully the business will change in that the artist gets a bigger slice of the reward. It's few artists who make a comfortable living out of their talents, though the cult of celebrity would have you believe otherwise..

[mozzia]

I'm eagerly looking forward to my first YOR listening experience, holding the booklet in my hand, reading the lyrics, watching the artwork, ecetera pepe...roll on Feb. 13!! I don't want to spoil this pleasure by prematurely downloading it, thats the only reason for me.

Yes, I'm old-fashioned :o.

This :)

[JasonLeeming]

1. I think downloading music helps kill the music industry
2. Downloading makes music far too disposable; if you don't like it you can just delete it. With a physical record I find I will give it much more of a chance as I have spent money on it.
3. I'm a fan of Morrissey, and therefore support him and his music.
4. I haven't heard some of the songs yet. I would much rather wait until the release

[maynardmorrissey]

I have a promise ring to remind me of my pledge not to lose my YoR virginity until it's officially released.

Same here.

[Dave]

You are fully aware of freedom of choice, yet damanding freebie is not right.

¿Que?

[viva hate1]

I have a promise ring to remind me of my pledge not to lose my YoR virginity until it's officially released.

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same here,but sometimes i feel tempted to download it,i know is bad.....but here in mexico the record companies never respect the official release,for example if the cd is released february the 16th,we have to wait two or probably three weeks before the official release date,and that sucks because you have to spend most of your time at the record store.....that`s a pain in the ass....but anyway i want to wait till february i love morrissey and i know that if you buy one of his albums you will never feel dissapointed because he`s an excellent artist and all of his albums are great and i know this abum is not the exception :)

[King Leer]

A user in Mexico City? Cool. I'm curious -- what kind of profile does Moz have there nowadays? Is he lumped in with other big foreign recording artists, or is he considered special for his longstanding relationship with Hispanic fans? Do fans have to hope for scraps of (local) news or does the publicity machine kick in when there's a new release?


same here,but sometimes i feel tempted to download it,i know is bad.....but here in mexico the record companies never respect the official release,for example if the cd is released february the 16th,we have to wait two or probably three weeks before the official release date,and that sucks because you have to spend most of your time at the record store.....that`s a pain in the ass....but anyway i want to wait till february i love morrissey and i know that if you buy one of his albums you will never feel dissapointed because he`s an excellent artist and all of his albums are great and i know this abum is not the exception :)