Years of Refusal is utterly mediocre

[skylark]

I've been a long time fan, and it's been years now since he made an album with truly sensational songs. Vauxhill & I has to be his last great album. The More You Ignore Me, Now My Heart is Full, Lazy Sunbathers, are worth the price of admission alone. The subsequent albums had a couple stand out songs, but that's about it. I feel that Morrissey is stuck in a rut. It's seems like he is writing the same songs around two or three familiar melodies, over and over again.

When I heard the new album, I was totally unimpressed. Nothing really grabbed me. Nothing really stood out. I had to really strain to hear the "hooks". Ultimately, the best songs on this album would be the lesser songs on previous albums.

I fear the best songs are behind him.

[jm26]

Could this not have gone on one of the numerous YOR threads? Is your opinion really that important?

Oh, and it isn't mediocre.

[PregnantForTheLastTime]

Mike Joyce, phone home. Your wife is looking for you.

[nowherefast944]

I've been a long time fan, and it's been years now since he made an album with truly sensational songs. Vauxhill & I has to be his last great album. The More You Ignore Me, Now My Heart is Full, Lazy Sunbathers, are worth the price of admission alone. The subsequent albums had a couple stand out songs, but that's about it. I feel that Morrissey is stuck in a rut. It's seems like he is writing the same songs around two or three familiar melodies, over and over again.

When I heard the new album, I was totally unimpressed. Nothing really grabbed me. Nothing really stood out. I had to really strain to hear the "hooks". Ultimately, the best songs on this album would be the lesser songs on previous albums.

I fear the best songs are behind him.


you're obviously deaf.

[skylark]

Wow, didn't think I'd get anyone's underwear in a bind over my humble opinion..
LOl..

[skylark]

Could this not have gone on one of thenumerous YOR threads? Is your opinion really that important?

Oh, and it isn't mediocre.

Obviously you've dignified my opinion...

[Danny_]

Where's Kewpie? :D

[mspendl828]

Wow, didn't think I'd get anyone's underwear in a bind over my humble opinion..
LOl..

Why start a new thread then instead of putting your opinion in one of the numerous other YOR threads?

[skylark]

Forget it, there is no point in arguing with jackasses..
If anyone had a problem with my opinion, why not ignore the thread?

[nowherefast944]

Kewpie, we have a Troll here

:)

[yesitis]

Forget it, there is no point in arguing with jackasses..
If anyone had a problem with my opinion, why not ignore the thread?

one person commented on your opinion. everyone else asked why you couldn't have just posted this in one of the other threads.

can you read?

[someofusisturningnasty]

Forget it, there is no point in arguing with jackasses..
If anyone had a problem with my opinion, why not ignore the thread?

Jackasses?

Because we defend Morrissey on a Morrissey website??

Lol. :p. You funny thing skylark, whoever you be.

[Dittsche]

>I've been a long time fan..
and so am I.

>and it's been years now since he made an album with truly sensational >songs. Vauxhill & I has to be his last great album. The More You Ignore Me,
I wouldn't go that far. I really like QUARRY and ROTT is ok in my opinion but definitely weaker than QUARRY.

>it. I feel that Morrissey is stuck in a rut. It's seems like he is writing the
>same songs around two or three familiar melodies, over and over again.
ACK! That was the same I thought after listening to YOR. The same frantic drums, the same staccato riffs by Jesse, all heard a thousand times before :-/

>When I heard the new album, I was totally unimpressed. Nothing really
>grabbed me. Nothing really stood out. I had to really strain to hear the
>"hooks". Ultimately, the best songs on this album would be the lesser songs >on previous albums.
Absolutely right! I can not understand how people can rate this album "amazing"??

>I fear the best songs are behind him.
I fear you are right. When Mozzer is only able to make "such" records then its better to stop recording. I don't want to hear that boring stuff...:confused:

"PARIS" is the one and only GREAT Song on YOR. What should be the next single? To be honest, no other track deserves to be putting out as a single...:sick:

And now, all you Moz Idolizers, give me your spam answers.
But deep in your hearts - you know - it's true...

Dittsche

[mspendl828]

I find Paris quite dull. Catchy chorus, but dull. Typical Radio 2 pop fodder.

Rest of the album rocks, as the kids say. Or said 20-odd years ago. 30-odd even.

[yesitis]

>I've been a long time fan..
and so am I.

>and it's been years now since he made an album with truly sensational >songs. Vauxhill & I has to be his last great album. The More You Ignore Me,
I wouldn't go that far. I really like QUARRY and ROTT is ok in my opinion but definitely weaker than QUARRY.

>it. I feel that Morrissey is stuck in a rut. It's seems like he is writing the
>same songs around two or three familiar melodies, over and over again.
ACK! That was the same I thought after listening to YOR. The same frantic drums, the same staccato riffs by Jesse, all heard a thousand times before :-/

>When I heard the new album, I was totally unimpressed. Nothing really
>grabbed me. Nothing really stood out. I had to really strain to hear the
>"hooks". Ultimately, the best songs on this album would be the lesser songs >on previous albums.
Absolutely right! I can not understand how people can rate this album "amazing"??

>I fear the best songs are behind him.
I fear you are right. When Mozzer is only able to make "such" records then its better to stop recording. I don't want to hear that boring stuff...:confused:

"PARIS" is the one and only GREAT Song on YOR. What should be the next single? To be honest, no other track deserves to be putting out as a single...:sick:

And now, all you Moz Idolizers, give me your spam answers.
But deep in your hearts - you know - it's true...

Dittsche

nobody gives a shit about your opinion. just like nobody gives a shit about my opinion. it doesn't matter whether or not you like the album. the point is, why bother starting threads where you give your opinion? why not just add your opinion to the other threads already started about the album? i would expect the same reaction if i started a thread about how much i liked the album.

[mspendl828]

But deep in your hearts - you know - it's true...


What gives you this amazingly greater insight than us fools who like the album?

[Scarlet1987]

What is it with bloody vauxhall being everyones fave album? ALL of his albums are genius. Now sod off! YOR......if you bother listening to it is a very deep piece of work.

[Bluebirds]

Utterly mediocre??? Harsh but....

I'm still undecided. I think the first two songs are really, really good. Vintage Moz. Black Cloud is something that Axl Rose would not have included on Chinese Democracy. Possibly. Truly an atrocity up there with Ambituous Outsiders

The singles are good, I like Carol for the pastiche element. And musically very strong, very different. And since I was born in 1975 line (me too, Carol.) A quintessential Morrissey B-side if ever there was one....

Then the album dips beyond the realms of mediocrity until Track 10 and Track 11. In fact its Shit.

However I think as a whole the album is underwhelming and if it was anyone other than dear ol' Steven who captured my heart back in the day I would probably listen to it once and think thats mediocre and never listen to it again,

[oye terence]

this thread is mediocre.

[Bluebirds]

Utterly mediocre??? Harsh but....

I'm still undecided. I think the first two songs are really, really good. Vintage Moz. Black Cloud is something that Axl Rose would not have included on Chinese Democracy. Possibly. Truly an atrocity up there with Ambituous Outsiders

The singles are good, I like Carol for the pastiche element. And musically very strong, very different. And since I was born in 1975 line (me too, Carol.) A quintessential Morrissey B-side if ever there was one....

Then the album dips beyond the realms of mediocrity until Track 10 and Track 11. In fact its Shit.

However I think as a whole the album is underwhelming and if it was anyone other than dear ol' Steven who captured my heart back in the day I would probably listen to it once and think thats mediocre and never listen to it again,


Thats How People Grow Up is awful, so 2 of the 3 singles are good.

[Bluebirds]

Lyrically it is MEDIOCRE by Morrisseys' standards. Lazy. example One Day Will Be Farewell. el. tel. bell. gel. nel. elle. sell.

[marred]

Wow, didn't think I'd get anyone's underwear in a bind over my humble opinion..
LOl..

btw your opinion isn't that humble otherwise you wouldn't have made an exclusive thread based on it. Plus there is nothing humble about opinions or they wouldn't be opinions at all :)

Np having your opinion. You are entitled and obviously feel very strongly about YOR. I am very sorry for you and the others that you don't like Years of refusal. You are really missing out.

Morrissey can't write a Vauxhall and I every time he releases an album. He has already done his Vauxhall. 4 of his mates died around that time so it's time to get over the lack of Vauxhallness:p in everything after that because that was that time and this is now. Maybe he will never write anything as profoundly delicate and strong as Vauxhall but is that so bad?

Give YOR some time it may grow on you yet. I won't go into why I think you should like it because I get the feeling that won't fall on open ears but see how it goes.

At least we have Vauxhall.

btw this is coming from a staunch Viva Hate, Bona Drag boy!!!

[nowherefast944]

btw your opinion isn't that humble otherwise you wouldn't have made an exclusive thread based on it. Plus there is nothing humble about opinions or they wouldn't be opinions at all :)

Np having your opinion. You are entitled and obviously feel very strongly about YOR. I am very sorry for you and the others that you don't like Years of refusal. You are really missing out.

Morrissey can't write a Vauxhall and I every time he releases an album. He has already done his Vauxhall. 4 of his mates died around that time so it's time to get over the lack of Vauxhallness:p in everything after that because that was that time and this is now. Maybe he will never write anything as profoundly delicate and strong as Vauxhall but is that so bad?

Give YOR some time it may grow on you yet. I won't go into why I think you should like it because I get the feeling that won't fall on open ears but see how it goes.

At least we have Vauxhall.


perhaps we should apologize on Morrissey's behalf for writing something different that most of his catalog?

[Comtesse]

Could this not have gone on one of the numerous YOR threads? Is your opinion really that important?

Oh, and it isn't mediocre.

Did you really have to answer this thread? Is your opinion really that important? Oh, and it IS mediocre, by the way.

Don't let the drones get you down, skylark. I posted my opinion of the album on an existing YOR thread and got beaten down in much the same way. Some people seem to think it's their responsibility to defend their positive opinion of this album by trashing everyone who posts a differing opinion.

[starless]

It might not be his best work.
But the worst Morrissey songs are still better than the best songs on MTV.

[Danny_]

Did you really have to answer this thread? Is your opinion really that important? Oh, and it IS mediocre, by the way.

Don't let the drones get you down, skylark. I posted my opinion of the album on an existing YOR thread and got beaten down in much the same way. Some people seem to think it's their responsibility to defend their positive opinion of this album by trashing everyone who posts a differing opinion.

Do you think your opinion should be accepted as final and no one should disagree with it? No one trashed you. They just disagreed with you. If you can't handle that it's your problem.

[Comtesse]

Do you think your opinion should be accepted as final and no one should disagree with it? No one trashed you. They just disagreed with you. If you can't handle that it's your problem.

Saying things like "Your Opinion is idiotic" or "you're obviously deaf" is not disagreeing - it's trashing. This board is full of assholes who do nothing more than trash other people for voicing an opinion different than their own. It's very depressing for those of us who want to discuss Morrissey as an artist, not worship Morrissey blindly as a persona. I spent a good hour working on my post about the album, and it was trashed in five seconds. I even made sure to put it on an existing thread so that nobody would get on my case about "starting your own thread when one already exists for it". But nobody discussed what I said - they just put me down for having an opinion that wasn't fawning. It's sickening. I've been listening to Morrissey since 1984, so I do think I have an interesting perspective on things, but it seems that the depth of the discussion here is "Morrissey's new album is rockin'" Sigh...

[Danny_]

Saying things like "Your Opinion is idiotic" or "you're obviously deaf" is not disagreeing - it's trashing. This board is full of assholes who do nothing more than trash other people for voicing an opinion different than their own. It's very depressing for those of us who want to discuss Morrissey as an artist, not worship Morrissey blindly as a persona. I spent a good hour working on my post about the album, and it was trashed in five seconds. I even made sure to put it on an existing thread so that nobody would get on my case about "starting your own thread when one already exists for it". But nobody discussed what I said - they just put me down for having an opinion that wasn't fawning. It's sickening. I've been listening to Morrissey since 1984, so I do think I have an interesting perspective on things, but it seems that the depth of the discussion here is "Morrissey's new album is rockin'" Sigh...

Saying that everyone is assholes isn't really going to endear yourself to people is it? Maybe you should consider that your attitude might antagonise people a bit.

[Jukebox Jury]

I find Paris quite dull. Catchy chorus, but dull. Typical Radio 2 pop fodder.

Rest of the album rocks, as the kids say. Or said 20-odd years ago. 30-odd even.

and those in their 40's too:guitar:;)

Jukebox Jury

[Not Right in the Head]

This skylark guy doesn't sond like a troll to me, just someone with an honest opinion. There is a difference, y'know.

[*EqualOpportunityHater*]

this thread is mediocre.

Yes!

and also, WTF is "Vauxhill & I"???

[nowherefast944]

Vauxhill & I was the rare mispress.

[*EqualOpportunityHater*]

Did you really have to answer this thread? Is your opinion really that important? Oh, and it IS mediocre, by the way.

Don't let the drones get you down, skylark. I posted my opinion of the album on an existing YOR thread and got beaten down in much the same way. Some people seem to think it's their responsibility to defend their positive opinion of this album by trashing everyone who posts a differing opinion.

Ok, so you posted your opinion, and the others posted theirs... why the bitchin' and cryin"??? :confused:

[Comtesse]

Saying that everyone is assholes isn't really going to endear yourself to people is it? Maybe you should consider that your attitude might antagonise people a bit.

I'm not saying *everyone* is an asshole - just the people who tell other people their opinions are idiotic. Which seems to be quite a few people here. There are other people on this board (many of home I have known for years) who are extremely lovely people and for whom I have nothing but admiration and respect. Don't oversimplify my comments.

[Comtesse]

Ok, so you posted your opinion, and the others posted theirs... why the bitchin' and cryin"??? :confused:

You really have a hard time with reading comprehension, don't you?

[*EqualOpportunityHater*]

You really have a hard time with reading comprehension, don't you?


Did you really expect people to applaude you for voicing your opinion about something they disagree with ???

You seem to have a hard time with knowing how to take critisism well....

[jhj1814]

Many interesting things brought up in this thread...

Yes, there are very kind people on here, but they can be hard to find among the grouchy snobs who snipe at each other and new members.

It wasn't 'proper etiquette' to post a new thread for one person's album review, but did it ever occur to anyone that it may have been an accident?? Lord knows I've made a few on this and other boards. Posting doesn't automatically make one aware of the rules and guidelines.

As far as the album being 'mediocre' and with some REAL discussion about it, I can't understand why no one mentioned how this happens with MANY many artists i.e. where they get to the point where their best material's 'behind them.'

Either the listener of the music changes, or the artist changes (and therefore the music). It's natural. Virtually every band or singer/songwriter I loved 15 years ago—who still puts out albums—is near-intolerable to me now. I recently became a full-time as opposed to part-time Moz listener, but I fully realize he's part parody, and writes really basic things nowadays. I also already noted that this new album is all about the drums, that it sounds good, but lacks in other ways. I find this peculiar as most of the (disappointed) Moz fans prolly don't put his records on to be impressed by the drumming.

There. My first proper rant in this place.

- J

[Depeche609]

this thread is mediocre.

Yes also, people taking a shit on YOR is mediocre.
Enough....if you don't like it, it will grow on you. If it doesn't, well I don't know what to say, please re-evaluate you morrissey-solo membership if all you are going to be posting are negative comments.

[Your Arsenal]

Although this post is a joke, I kinda agree :-/
I'm not very impressed. I'm not totally let down,
but I just don't hear anything very new and exciting.
There's a few good lil gems like Mamma, Skull, you were good in your time
the rest of the album could have been written 10 years ago, and I wouldn't have known the difference. *shrug*

[Corrissey]

Opinions are like assholes...

I haven't heard but six songs but have a feeling I might agree with its mediocrity... we'll see. And I know you'll want to hear all about it. ;)

I like what Bluebirds said.

However I think as a whole the album is underwhelming and if it was anyone other than dear ol' Steven who captured my heart back in the day I would probably listen to it once and think thats mediocre and never listen to it again.


Enough....if you don't like it, it will grow on you. If it doesn't, well I don't know what to say, please re-evaluate you morrissey-solo membership if all you are going to be posting are negative comments.

:rolleyes: I've heard it all now.

Do you know who you're talking to? She sits on the Board. :cool:

[Depeche609]

Opinions are like assholes...

I haven't heard but six songs but have a feeling I might agree with its mediocrity... we'll see. And I know you'll want to hear all about it. ;)

I like what Bluebirds said.

However I think as a whole the album is underwhelming and if it was anyone other than dear ol' Steven who captured my heart back in the day I would probably listen to it once and think thats mediocre and never listen to it again.



:rolleyes: I've heard it all now.

Do you know who you're talking to? She sits on the Board. :cool:

My comment wasn't meant for anyone in particular , just the few jerkwads I've seen on the board that post a message about how YOF is such shit and they have all of 3 posts of so under their belt. You hated the album THAT much you really felt the need to set up an account on here..
Well on 2nd thought..that's alot to go through just to tell someone your dislike...so if you feel THAT strongly about it I guess go ahead and take out your rage on the album ....lol:D

[King Leer]

Amen.




Morrissey can't write a Vauxhall and I every time he releases an album. He has already done his Vauxhall. 4 of his mates died around that time so it's time to get over the lack of Vauxhallness:p in everything after that because that was that time and this is now. Maybe he will never write anything as profoundly delicate and strong as Vauxhall but is that so bad?

Give YOR some time it may grow on you yet. I won't go into why I think you should like it because I get the feeling that won't fall on open ears but see how it goes.

At least we have Vauxhall.

[Dittsche]

It might not be his best work.
But the worst Morrissey songs are still better than the best songs on MTV.

Who cares the fuck about M-T-V??? Or about charts?

But there are many many other bands with excellent, exciting albums out there... so why boring yourself with YOR?

[cherrylipstick]

I think everyone is entitled to have their own opinion but why open a new thread? If we all did it we probably had over 200+ posts with opinions on his new album. Artists always change just as much as everyone does. So he wont do the same album over and over again. I didnt like Ringleaders too much but I like YOR alot. Hes not writing stuff for us to like it. But its always exciting to see what a new album might be like. We could change too and in 4 years from now say YOR is his best album ever. Changes just happen, we shouldnt be afraid of it. Just like artists start out small and suddenly sell out big venues and some fans call them sell outs. Dont take things to personally and if you dont like his new record, just dont buy it or listen to it. As simple as that.:rolleyes:

[somebody loved me]

"Refusal" mediocre?
I have to disagree, I believe it's a very strong effort.
Not many artists release such strong material after a 25 year career.
These songs will kick arse live!
Well done again Mr Morrissey. And I have already ordered album & single in all formats by the way.
M

[Danny_]

There's only one reason someone would register on a fansite in order to slag off the artist concerned, and that's to try to wind people up. In my book that's the definition of a troll. People who say otherwise are trying to hard to be seen as reasonable in my view.

The poster then went onto create another thread about how Morrissey never plays any songs from Your Arsenal anymore. Which rather revealed the fact that they are not a fan at all.

[MrTheEdge]

Forget it, there is no point in arguing with jackasses..
If anyone had a problem with my opinion, why not ignore the thread?

agreed. relax everyone, now that ive made a statement in this thread, rest assured everyone's favorite moderator will now make an appearance.

[Hellie]

What I long for is that "OMFG" feeling you get when you hear a song like Everyday or Come Back to Camden, or Now My Heart is Full .A song that just gets you in the chest and you just cannot wait to hear it again.It becomes part of your life because it moves you that much.Its iconic Morrissey.

Its been a long while since Morrissey has done that for me.

Paris doesn't do it.

[nugz]

What I long for is that "OMFG" feeling you get when you hear a song like Everyday or Come Back to Camden, or Now My Heart is Full .A song that just gets you in the chest and you just cannot wait to hear it again.It becomes part of your life because it moves you that much.Its iconic Morrissey.

Its been a long while since Morrissey has done that for me.

Paris doesn't do it.

I agree.

I just finished listening to YOR again. and YATQ is immediately after on my itunes and I kept letting it play and its really ridiculous how much better YATQ is.

oh i just wanted to add. I'm on "Forgiven Jesus" right now. the 3rd track. just 3 tracks into this album he's already hit on his love/hate relationship with the US, his roots, and now about reconciling with religion. YOR is all the usual "wah wah nobody likes me, wah wah." so the whole idea that now that's he's older he has nothing new or good to write about anymore is bullshit, so I don't know what the fuck he's doing.

[jesuisbryony]

The novelty's wearing of a little. I hated Ringleader when it came out but I now love it; I have a feeling that it's going to be the opposite with this album.

[Mook_from_Manchester]

I agree, the album is utterly awful.

I preferred Morrissey when he had disappeared and was a reclusive enigma, pre-YATQ era. He was much more interesting then.

[Darth Vegan]

I dig it. It sounds a lot like Ringleaders to me, and that record took a while to grow on me. I love it now, so I'm assuming the same will happen with YOR.

Definitely has the best opening track in awhile.

[Comtesse]

What I long for is that "OMFG" feeling you get when you hear a song like Everyday or Come Back to Camden, or Now My Heart is Full .A song that just gets you in the chest and you just cannot wait to hear it again.It becomes part of your life because it moves you that much.Its iconic Morrissey.

Its been a long while since Morrissey has done that for me.

Paris doesn't do it.

Yes, that's precisely it! There's nothing on Years of Refusal that I hate (well, except "That's How People Throw Up" but that has been deleted from the version I'm listening to anyway) - in fact, I would have to say I like all the songs, some more than others. They are all quite pleasant in their minor achievement way and some are quite fun to sing.

However, there's nothing that screams GENIUS on this album. There's nothing that stops me in my tracks, smacks me across the face, and makes me remember why this man is the most important artist of my lifetime. The last time I felt that was with "Life Is A Pigsty" - specifically the "Even now in the final hour of my life I'm falling in love again" line. On the other hand, most of the songs on Years of Refusal remind me of "Ammunition": a song that I really like, a song that I will sing in the shower and enjoy listening to, but a song that is emotionally meaningless to me and that I know in my heart isn't very good. And that makes me sad.

Oh, and I was strongly thinking of deleting my account and leaving the board once and for all, but after several people contacted me with words of support, I've decided to stay. The good people on here make it worthwhile; I'll just have to learn to ignore the unpleasant ones.

[Vauxhall95]

Yes, that's precisely it! There's nothing on Years of Refusal that I hate (well, except "That's How People Throw Up" but that has been deleted from the version I'm listening to anyway) - in fact, I would have to say I like all the songs, some more than others. They are all quite pleasant in their minor achievement way and some are quite fun to sing.

However, there's nothing that screams GENIUS on this album. There's nothing that stops me in my tracks, smacks me across the face, and makes me remember why this man is the most important artist of my lifetime. The last time I felt that was with "Life Is A Pigsty" - specifically the "Even now in the final hour of my life I'm falling in love again" line. On the other hand, most of the songs on Years of Refusal remind me of "Ammunition": a song that I really like, a song that I will sing in the shower and enjoy listening to, but a song that is emotionally meaningless to me and that I know in my heart isn't very good. And that makes me sad.

Oh, and I was strongly thinking of deleting my account and leaving the board once and for all, but after several people contacted me with words of support, I've decided to stay. The good people on here make it worthwhile; I'll just have to learn to ignore the unpleasant ones.

You're the "The Comtesse DeSpair!" You can't leave. You have the coolest sig on the board!:)

I started a thread about what I perceived to be the lack of lyrical depth and there were quite a few fans who agreed. So, I wouldn't feel alone in any way. Music is subjective so opinions will vary - but when fans start referencing this album as "amazing" or "genius" I can only roll my eyes. The lyrics left me wanting a lot more.

Hey, there are always the b-sides, right?:)

[SparkleBoy]

I've been a long time fan, and it's been years now since he made an album with truly sensational songs. Vauxhill & I has to be his last great album. The More You Ignore Me, Now My Heart is Full, Lazy Sunbathers, are worth the price of admission alone. The subsequent albums had a couple stand out songs, but that's about it. I feel that Morrissey is stuck in a rut. It's seems like he is writing the same songs around two or three familiar melodies, over and over again.

When I heard the new album, I was totally unimpressed. Nothing really grabbed me. Nothing really stood out. I had to really strain to hear the "hooks". Ultimately, the best songs on this album would be the lesser songs on previous albums.

I fear the best songs are behind him.

I couldn't agree with you more, Skylark. This album is extremely bland. The only track with anything CLOSE to a hook is All You Need Is Me, and frankly, that ain't even too great a track (when compared to the rest of the Morrissey Canon). The guitars are definitely out front in the mix, but without that hook it is just a wall of chords. Paris comes close to a hook, but the banality of the lyrics ruin it for me.

The lyrics are more cliche and predictable than ever. Nothing even approaches the quality of Irish Blood or even First of the Gang....

Not a bad album, just very mediocre for me. But I tell you what, I bet it is gonna be killer when played LIVE.

[One of your children]

The smiths(all) the best of morrissey and yatq are my top albums,i do think its all getting a bit stuck in a rut!
He cant loose any thing reforming the smiths now! i must admit ive not listen to the whole album but ive heard 5 tracks from it and iam not over impressed!
The first time i heard yatq i loved every song and it got played every day and still getting quilty play,it has a smiths vibe and makes u want to play it like the smiths! This is supposed to be the album of albums from him but what songs ive heard so far dont grab u like some of his past work!

[Comtesse]

You're the "The Comtesse DeSpair!" You can't leave. You have the coolest sig on the board!:)

I started a thread about what I perceived to be the lack of lyrical depth and there were quite a few fans who agreed. So, I wouldn't feel alone in any way. Music is subjective so opinions will vary - but when fans start referencing this album as "amazing" or "genius" I can only roll my eyes. The lyrics left me wanting a lot more.

Hey, there are always the b-sides, right?:)

Oh, okay, you've convinced me - I'll stay. :)

Yes, as we know, the B-sides are where Morrissey's genius usually hides. I happen to think that "My Dearest Love" is better than anything on Years Of Refusal anyway.

[Comtesse]

Not a bad album, just very mediocre for me. But I tell you what, I bet it is gonna be killer when played LIVE.

I'm curious about "It's Not Your Birthday Anymore" and whether he'll even try to hit those notes live. Or if he'll do the silly stuff at the end of "I'm OK By Myself" onstage. It will be very interesting to see.

[Comtesse]

This is supposed to be the album of albums from him but what songs ive heard so far dont grab u like some of his past work!

Almost every album that Morrissey has ever released is hyped to be the "best thing that he's ever done," usually by Morrissey himself. Notable exceptions: Kill Uncle, Southpaw Grammar and Maladjusted.

[mikael]

J'adore YOR!

[the judge]

this thread is mediocre.
in fact it's very good.


I also already noted that this new album is all about the drums, that it sounds good, but lacks in other ways. I find this peculiar as most of the (disappointed) Moz fans prolly don't put his records on to be impressed by the drumming.

mozza plays drums. i usually enjoy drum fills etc, but on YoR the drums are so repetitive i honestly can't stand it. i never thought i would be so disappointed with a morrissey album, but this is one really is sub-par. Dull music (it's cool that he still wants to rock at 50, but couldn't the lads come up with better music?), ok, i said, at least we'll get good lyrics, but...

"In the absence of your touch
And in the absence of loved ones
I have decided I’m throwing my arms around all of paris because only stone and steel accept my love"

WTF? this is cliché². i dunno, maybe i've been blind all these years (hmm two years of fandom) but i never wanted to punch him and say "you're an idiot, there's hoards of fans who'd want to marry you or be friends with you" (his love must be peculiar :rolleyes: and this reasoning surely doesn't work for him :rolleyes:, but this is not the point).
and as others said, ringleader - which i wasn't fond of - now looks much better, if not from a lyrical point of view, surely for more interesting music.

[Tbevie]

"In the absence of your touch
And in the absence of loved ones
I have decided I’m throwing my arms around all of paris because only stone and steel accept my love"



Who wrote those lyrics?

[the judge]

Who wrote those lyrics?

oops sorry, found them on solo, but they're old, when he first played it. sorry, but you get the point.

[Comtesse]

"In the absence of your touch
And in the absence of loved ones
I have decided I’m throwing my arms around all of paris because only stone and steel accept my love"

WTF? this is cliché². i dunno, maybe i've been blind all these years (hmm two years of fandom) but i never wanted to punch him and say "you're an idiot, there's hoards of fans who'd want to marry you or be friends with you" (his love must be peculiar :rolleyes: and this reasoning surely doesn't work for him :rolleyes:, but this is not the point).


Yeah, I know... It gets really tiring after awhile. It's like he's the Belle of the Cottilion who keeps getting tons of compliments on his gown and his hair from the adoring guests and still he keeps saying, "Oh, this old thing??? I've had it in the closet for years. It's just a hand-me-down from my aunt." And "I am sorry, I am just such a MESS today! I have been under the weather and didn't have time to do my hair." It just rings so untrue that you want to slap him.

[the judge]

It just rings so untrue that you want to slap him.

exactly! i can't believe him anymore and it makes a little bit sad.

[the judge]

an objection to my own post: why do you suppose he wrote the lyrics from an autobiographical point of view? he could as well be teasing us all. nobody accepts his love and he's ok by himself.
hmmmm.

[j funk]

He could be

a) referring to his feelings before everyone loved him because he's famous.
b) feeling unloved despite the adoration of fans.
c) referring to the unrequited love for an individual.

etc.

This is pretty much the basis of most his lyrics anyway. Can't really see how a fan could take issue with it.

[Chico]

Yeah, I know... It gets really tiring after awhile. It's like he's the Belle of the Cottilion who keeps getting tons of compliments on his gown and his hair from the adoring guests and still he keeps saying, "Oh, this old thing??? I've had it in the closet for years. It's just a hand-me-down from my aunt." And "I am sorry, I am just such a MESS today! I have been under the weather and didn't have time to do my hair." It just rings so untrue that you want to slap him.



Yes. And as tired as this song is, it's about the best one on the album, in my opinion.

[Chico]

I've been a long time fan, and it's been years now since he made an album with truly sensational songs. Vauxhill & I has to be his last great album. The More You Ignore Me, Now My Heart is Full, Lazy Sunbathers, are worth the price of admission alone. The subsequent albums had a couple stand out songs, but that's about it. I feel that Morrissey is stuck in a rut. It's seems like he is writing the same songs around two or three familiar melodies, over and over again.

When I heard the new album, I was totally unimpressed. Nothing really grabbed me. Nothing really stood out. I had to really strain to hear the "hooks". Ultimately, the best songs on this album would be the lesser songs on previous albums.

I fear the best songs are behind him.



I agree 100%.

And I think skylark is completely correct in creating a thread dedicated entirely to discussing YOR's mediocrity. It not only needed to be said, it did need it's own thread.

[Comtesse]

He could be

a) referring to his feelings before everyone loved him because he's famous.
b) feeling unloved despite the adoration of fans.
c) referring to the unrequited love for an individual.

etc.

This is pretty much the basis of most his lyrics anyway. Can't really see how a fan could take issue with it.

Yes, which is why we don't slap him, even though sometimes we might feel like it.

[spinelessswine]

I think people are ripping on the original poster far too harshly here - yes, perhaps they should've stuck their opinion in one of the YoR discussions that already exists but they didn't, it's not exactly the crime of the century. I bet if this thread had the title "OMG How Amazing Is YoR!!" then no one would be complaining...

My personal view is that this album is weak, weak, weak. 4/10 at best. I fucking love Moz but I simply can't find anything to believe in on this record as I don't feel there's any point on this album that Morrissey himself sings anything he believes in.
The biggest worry for me is the lyrics, they're not even rubbish - just boring. I must've listened to the album a dozen times now and very little stands out. In fact the only thing that seems worth much is the outro lyrics of All You Need Is Me, and that's saying something.
'Carol...' sounds like Flight Of The Conchords. 'Birthday' sounds like Snow Patrol. 'Paris' sounds like fucking Roxette!!?!
'You Were Good In Your Time' and 'Mama...' are about the only positives I could find from this record but even then they aren't feeling like potential classics, just pretty good songs and quite literally the best of a bad bunch.

I went back and listened to My Dearest Love and Children In Pieces and I still can't see how anyone could feel like they're amazing and should be on the record. It would take more than 2 'pretty good' tracks to save this record.

I dunno, this might just be my last post on the matter because this place is getting pretty irrational lately and people are being crucified for daring to suggest that YoR isn't Vauxhall Part 2.

I'm sure a lot of people who dislike the record are, like me, long time die hard Moz fans that've gone to numerous shows, bought every piece of shit magazine with his face on the front just to read a two page article on the man, spent years defending him against detractors (even through ROTT!), hell I've even got a big Moz tattoo on my arm. He still remains one of my all-time heroes.
It's just simply an opinion shared by a few of us that the new record is a new low and, from the gradual artistic decline of the last few years, does make me concerned that he may be spent as a creative force. I would love to be wrong but fear I may not be.

Anyways, if you can respect a difference of opinion then hopefully this post makes sense to you. If you can't then go ahead and rip it apart...

Until whenever...

[marred]

I agree 100%.

And I think skylark is completely correct in creating a thread dedicated entirely to discussing YOR's mediocrity. It not only needed to be said, it did need it's own thread.

Main reason is that you guys need to keep each other company while you piss n' moan about how Morrissey isn't writing Vauxhall and I every couple of years. :D

[Jones]

Why do people who think they have got a tatoo or were once a rabid Morrissey fan think that makes their opinion more objective. I doesn't, it makes them less. Those people are the sort that put Morrissey on a pedestal and are totally intolerant of him doing anything they disagree with it.

I've seen it several times. Morrissey does something that goes against their image of what he should be (refuses to play Canada, doesn't look as sexy as he once did, or doesn't "come out" are three recent examples on this board) and suddenly everything he does is crap whereas formerly everything he did was absolutely wonderful.

Your opinion is no less subjective just because you used to love everything he did and now think he's crap. It's not an objective truth, it's just the way you feel about things because you're in a different place.

[the judge]

Why do people who think they have got a tatoo or were once a rabid Morrissey fan think that makes their opinion more objective. I doesn't, it makes them less. Those people are the sort that put Morrissey on a pedestal and are totally intolerant of him doing anything they disagree with it.

I've seen it several times. Morrissey does something that goes against their image of what he should be (refuses to play Canada, doesn't look as sexy as he once did, or doesn't "come out" are three recent examples on this board) and suddenly everything he does is crap whereas formerly everything he did was absolutely wonderful.

Your opinion is no less subjective just because you used to love everything he did and now think he's crap. It's not an objective truth, it's just the way you feel about things because you're in a different place.

it's because some forum members will call you a troll if you say something negative about the moz, especially if you registered only recently. so you have to prove you're not a wind-up merchant, but a fan.

[9 x Fined]

As much as I hate to admit it, I find the new album completely bland and uninspired, in fact I would rate it as his worst solo effort, ever.

It had to happen sooner or later I guess.

:(

[Comtesse]

I'm sure a lot of people who dislike the record are, like me, long time die hard Moz fans that've gone to numerous shows, bought every piece of shit magazine with his face on the front just to read a two page article on the man, spent years defending him against detractors (even through ROTT!), hell I've even got a big Moz tattoo on my arm. He still remains one of my all-time heroes.

Thank you for your post - you expressed how a lot of us are feeling very well.

[CharethCutestory]

Years of refusal is a staggeringly average album.

It's got no excellent tracks on it, but then again it's not THAT bad (other than the hilariously melodramatic bit at the end of the vocal on You were good in your time.....really, that shit was embarrassingly sixth form art student in it's approach). Suggesting that it's excellent is daft, but it's not dreadful either way.

Question - Why did Morrissey cross the road?
Answer - To get to the middle.

[Vauxhall95]

Years of refusal is a staggeringly average album.

It's got no excellent tracks on it, but then again it's not THAT bad (other than the hilariously melodramatic bit at the end of the vocal on You were good in your time.....really, that shit was embarrassingly sixth form art student in it's approach). Suggesting that it's excellent is daft, but it's not dreadful either way.

Question - Why did Morrissey cross the road?
Answer - To get to the middle.

You'll get no complaint for me and most posters. We have been saying that from the beginning. We don't hate the album, we just find it average.

[CharethCutestory]

You'll get no complaint for me and most posters. We have been saying that from the beginning. We don't hate the album, we just find it average.

I'll be honest, I expected it to be terrible, it's not. I'm just suprised really as Morrissey tends to release albums of extreme peaks and troughs, with at least one absolute belter buried in with some toss. This just kind of sticks in the easy mid-tempo rock territory of so many instantly forgettable bands. Just feels like he's tried to write something that might appeal to a much broader audience but has kind of gone wrong.

Shame.

[Vauxhall95]

I'll be honest, I expected it to be terrible, it's not. I'm just suprised really as Morrissey tends to release albums of extreme peaks and troughs, with at least one absolute belter buried in with some toss. This just kind of sticks in the easy mid-tempo rock territory of so many instantly forgettable bands. Just feels like he's tried to write something that might appeal to a much broader audience but has kind of gone wrong.

Shame.

I think the first two tracks are great. I think Morrissey singing with the band instead of separately is great. But I think you are on to something when you write, "Morrissey tends to release albums of extreme peaks and troughs, with at least one absolute belter buried in with some toss." Even ROTT, had "Life is a Pigsty" (a direction I wish he would have pursued on this album) as well has the pop friendly "You Have Killed Me" with is eminently better than the "singles" on YOR.

[CharethCutestory]

i haven't heard it yet but i normally agree with you. I have to wait until nxt month.

Hey! How are you doing?

It's not very good, but not very bad either. Just don't expect it to be on your playlist for longer than a fortnight.

I'd appreciate any musical recommendations as I haven't found anything new that I like in months.

[Hellie]

Yay!:guitar:Chareth!

Welcome back.I have missed arguing with you.:rolleyes:

[ryan]

Excellent point re: YOR's quality.

Kill Uncle, a misfire of an album, came sandwiched between two great releases in Bona Drag and Your Arsenal.

I'm willing to forgive occasional gaffs if there's some brilliance to balance them out. I find mediocrity hard to forgive. Maybe it's time for Morrissey to open up that tea shop in Devon.

[Vauxhall95]

Excellent point re: YOR's quality.

Kill Uncle, a misfire of an album, came sandwiched between two great releases in Bona Drag and Your Arsenal.

I'm willing to forgive occasional gaffs if there's some brilliance to balance them out. I find mediocrity hard to forgive. Maybe it's time for Morrissey to open up that tea shop in Devon.

At least "Kill Uncle" had "Our Frank." I wonder if any song on YOR will have the same lasting appeal "Our Frank" has had on me.:confused:

[ryan]

At least "Kill Uncle" had "Our Frank." I wonder if any song on YOR will have the same lasting appeal "Our Frank" has had on me.:confused:

Doubtful.

PS. check your mailbox!

[Piccadilly Jim]

You all are average and boring. Fact. Morrissey is not. Fact. End of discussion.

[mozsupportsrovers]

i think it comes down to individual taste and also how you feel at the time. I love YOR, but in two months time i mite not. sometimes i think Kill Uncle is rubbish, other times i think its brilliant. so those who dont like it now may like the songs live, then get into the album later

[jilla]

first- was i the only one who love love loved Ringleader? i mean as an album, i loved it, I loved how it played all the way through, it made sense to me in a similar way as Viva Hate...and i think MOrrissey has even said he's more of a singles man but those two albums for me worked as an album

ist YOR recorded lifve, or atleast i think i rmember hearing something about the fact they all played in the room together at once, instead of recording individual parts...am i off? this would explain the "different" sound maybe

i wouldn't know as i am one of the minority who hasn't illegally downloaded it.

[Comtesse]

I'll be honest, I expected it to be terrible, it's not. I'm just suprised really as Morrissey tends to release albums of extreme peaks and troughs, with at least one absolute belter buried in with some toss. This just kind of sticks in the easy mid-tempo rock territory of so many instantly forgettable bands. Just feels like he's tried to write something that might appeal to a much broader audience but has kind of gone wrong.

Shame.

Yep. I keep thinking that Years Of Refusal is like Maladjusted without "Trouble Loves Me".

[Vauxhall95]

You all are average and boring. Fact. Morrissey is not. Fact. End of discussion.

You're funny!:D

[Vauxhall95]

Yep. I keep thinking that Years Of Refusal is like Maladjusted without "Trouble Loves Me".

I take that as an insult to "Maladjusted." To me, "Maladjusted" was a good album with great b-sides released into a music scene that was not interested in hearing from Morrissey at the time.

[travelcard]

I take that as an insult to "Maladjusted." To me, "Maladjusted" was a good album with great b-sides released into a music scene that was not interested in hearing from Morrissey at the time.

indeed. i never understood why so many people dislike maladjusted. i think its very very good, all the songs work very well together. it has a special harmony, i believe.

[starless]

Yep. I keep thinking that Years Of Refusal is like Maladjusted without "Trouble Loves Me".

and without Alma Matters and Wide To Receive?

[Comtesse]

I take that as an insult to "Maladjusted." To me, "Maladjusted" was a good album with great b-sides released into a music scene that was not interested in hearing from Morrissey at the time.

I am actually a member of the Maladjusted Appreciation Society, so I certainly don't mean it as an insult. The only songs I think are truly poor on Maladjusted are "Papa Jack," "Sorrow Will Come In The End" and "Ambitious Outsiders". Much of Years Of Refusal reminds of some of the weaker Maladjusted songs like "Ammunition" and "He Cried". But there's nothing on it that rises to the majestic glory of "Trouble Loves Me".

[Comtesse]

and without Alma Matters and Wide To Receive?

Touché.

[starless]

Trouble Loves Me could be Morrissey's best. I can clearly remember everything about the moment I first heard it. I still recall where I was, how I was feeling, what was the weather like, etc - it was that powerful.

But yes I agree, Ammunition for example certainly sounds a little like Paris or Farewell - a cutesy song that sounds more like a good b-side than anything else.

[Maurice E]

You'll get no complaint for me and most posters. We have been saying that from the beginning. We don't hate the album, we just find it average.

You may not like it, and I've not heard it, but you're completely wrong to say that most posters find it average.
Most (i.e. over 50%) think it's one of his best albums - see the poll here; http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=94343
Even the NME has described it as 'vintage Moz'.

[Maurice E]

You may not like it, and I've not heard it, but you're completely wrong to say that most posters find it average.
Most (i.e. over 50%) think it's one of his best albums - see the poll here; http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=94343
Even the NME has described it as 'vintage Moz'.

oh no. the threads have been merged and mingled and I've inadvertently contributed to the 'utterly mediocre' thread!

[Johan de Witt]

You may not like it, and I've not heard it, but you're completely wrong to say that most posters find it average.
Most (i.e. over 50%) think it's one of his best albums - see the poll here; http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=94343
Even the NME has described it as 'vintage Moz'.

Well, that's because the way this poll is set up stinks.
It's a choice between either top-3 or ' middling', which sounds really negative.

I think Quarry, with an average song-average of almost 8, is a great album, and this one will surely not come close to it. I'd say it will get an average rating of 7,50 maximum, which would place it between ROTT and Southpaw somewhere.

[the judge]

I think it's his worst too. Lots of people think it's either Kill Uncle or Maladjusted, but they both have some gems, as it's been pointed out. This one has nothing really. The only song I can enjoy is Mama, but the lyrics are so mediocre and it's a shame. When he writes good lyrics the music happens to be shit or the other way round. This one, to me, looks like a bad rework or Your Arsenal (the album I like the least)

[Elle]

Thank you for a thread about your opinion.
Well I still love the album.

[marred]

You all are average and boring. Fact. Morrissey is not. Fact. End of discussion.

Nice one.

Well at least all of you got to hear it for free before you don't go out and buy it!

[Arsenal]

I listened to it once and was not impressed. I will listen to it a few more times and see if it grows on me.

[teeth]

I listened to it once and was not impressed. I will listen to it a few more times and see if it grows on me.

You Will Believe In Luv....

[marred]

I listened to it once and was not impressed. I will listen to it a few more times and see if it grows on me.

I don't think I've even listened to an album once and been impressed right off.

[Arsenal]

I don't think I've even listened to an album once and been impressed right off.

Oh, I have. Peter Heppner's new album, for example. I heard the opening track and new it would be brilliant, and it was.

The first time I heard Maladjusted, I was blown away, same for Viva hate, Your Arsenal, Vauxhal etc.

This one... not so much. It may grow on me in time, it may not. Hence why I've decided to give it a few more listens atleast to decide.

[nugz]

I don't think I've even listened to an album once and been impressed right off.

pffffft. I have, plenty of times.

[Fawdy]

It's a tremendous album. I think the fact that we have already got so used to All you need is me and That's how people has disappointed a few. Morrissey on his own has such a strong body of work, never mind the Smiths, that it is easy to pick holes but for me it is up there with Quarry, Vauxhall, Arsenal etc. We are all getting older, as Moz is, and maybe some negativity is part of the cynicism that people develop as they age. My opinion is lighten up and enjoy him while you can. Bring it on Mozzer!

[Velvis]

I don't think I've even listened to an album once and been impressed right off.

With most other artists I can listen once and form an accurate opinion.

Morrissey is different. You can't judge his work after one listen.

[albertsponge]

brilliant album,the lyrics have so much hidden depth,well done moz:)

[dizzywhore_1804]

With most other artists I can listen once and form an accurate opinion.

Morrissey is different. You can't judge his work after one listen.

This is what worries me about some Morrissey fans: they miss out on such great music because they won't buy into anything else :tears:

Morrissey is my favourite artist without a doubt, but there's loads of good stuff out there too.

[marred]

pffffft. I have, plenty of times.

Congratulations!

[marred]

With most other artists I can listen once and form an accurate opinion.

Morrissey is different. You can't judge his work after one listen.

I agree but seems like plenty here judge after one listen.

[9 x Fined]

It's not too bad, really.

:rolleyes:

[Vauxhall95]

I thought this thread needed resurrection. I really don't want to be a killjoy and post how average I find this album on the "YOR is Utterly Brilliant" thread. This way those who think this uberwork of Morrissey's can have their thread, and people grounded in reality can have their own.:)

Sigh... Everyone happy now?:):crazy:

[Corrissey]

Granted I've only had the record for a little more than 24 hours...I'm finding it just okay (you might even say mediocre :p) so far. I've skipped the tracks that I know, Skull, Mama, Paris, AYNIM, THPGU, and Farewell to get a flavor of the 'new' ones...but will add that I really do love Mama and AYNIM. :) I almost wish I hadn't heard the other tracks already, I'd think I'd like it better as a whole.

Of the new tunes, Carol is easily my favorite followed by It's Not Your Birthday Anymore. Black Cloud is pretty good too even tho it just. seems to. end. I think the 'torch song', You Were Good in Your Time while slow, will grow on me. I haven't decided if I like the voices throughout and eerie notes tacked on the end of it yet... I'm OK By Myself will probably/eventually get under my skin, but Sorry Doesn't Help is just blah... melody seems all over the place and too much yodeling (or whatever we're calling it--it appears often YoR) I'd rather he add more lyrics than rely on the oh whoa ho... or nooo nooo noooos... y'know? ;) but that's another thread...

I obviously need to give it more time to form a full opinion but right off...meh. So sue me.

[Orson Swells]

I think it's his worst too. Lots of people think it's either Kill Uncle or Maladjusted, but they both have some gems, as it's been pointed out. This one has nothing really. The only song I can enjoy is Mama, but the lyrics are so mediocre and it's a shame. When he writes good lyrics the music happens to be shit or the other way round. This one, to me, looks like a bad rework or Your Arsenal (the album I like the least)

Are you people actually Morrissey fans? Or do you just pretend to - to try to impress peoples? Do you possess brains of your own? Are your ears working properly? Or are you mentally injured?

[Vauxhall95]

Are you people actually Morrissey fans? Or do you just pretend to - to try to impress peoples? Do you possess brains of your own? Are your ears working properly? Or are you mentally injured?

So, to be a fan a must blindingly love everything Morrissey does? I am a Morrissey fan who is intensely disappointed with his new album. It has a few moments, but by-in-large I don't care for it. I'm not sure why that makes me a villain, as it seems many here disliked YATQ and ROTT both of which I thought were very enjoyable albums?

[Corrissey]

Vauxhall, allow me.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x71/Booger72906/fam_36.jpg

[zacksfansite]

So, to be a fan a must blindingly love everything Morrissey does? I am a Morrissey fan who is intensely disappointed with his new album. It has a few moments, but by-in-large I don't care for it. I'm not sure why that makes me a villain, as it seems many here disliked YATQ and ROTT both of which I thought were very enjoyable albums?

I think of recent albums YATQ and ROTT are the closest I got to the charm i found when I first listened to the Smiths' debut.

[Orson Swells]

So, to be a fan a must blindingly love everything Morrissey does? I am a Morrissey fan who is intensely disappointed with his new album. It has a few moments, but by-in-large I don't care for it. I'm not sure why that makes me a villain, as it seems many here disliked YATQ and ROTT both of which I thought were very enjoyable albums?

No - but some said the same about Viva Hate... and then twenty years later...

[Vauxhall95]

Vauxhall, allow me.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x71/Booger72906/fam_36.jpg

Hey sweetie, what's up?:):):) How ya been? What's your take on the new album? You likey?:)

[nugz]

Are you people actually Morrissey fans? Or do you just pretend to - to try to impress peoples? Do you possess brains of your own? Are your ears working properly? Or are you mentally injured?

I would ask this same question to those who think YoR is "brilliant." :cool:

[Infatuation]

I would ask this same question to those who think YoR is "brilliant." :cool:

I would ask the same question to anybody who has 'United States of Whatever' in there screen-name thing. Because to me, that makes it obvious they have no credibility.

[nugz]

I would ask the same question to anybody who has 'United States of Whatever' in there screen-name thing. Because to me, that makes it obvious they have no credibility.

how so?

[Infatuation]

how so?

Why associate yourself with such a dim mindless quote. And if this isn't from that vile song, then you've chosen it out of the bank of imagination I'd love to call your mind, which says even more I think.

[nugz]

Why associate yourself with such a dim mindless quote. And if this isn't from that vile song, then you've chosen it out of the bank of imagination I'd love to call your mind, which says even more I think.

you sound like Robby, but with proper punctuation.

[Infatuation]

you sound like Robby, but with proper punctuation.

You sound like someone trying to think of something witty to say. And just not managing to reach a level that pleases me.

Oh, i am such a horrid person aren't I...

[nugz]

You sound like someone trying to think of something witty to say. And just not managing to reach a level that pleases me.

Oh, i am such a horrid person aren't I...

I wasn't trying to be witty, just sayin what came to mind.

[Orson Swells]

I would ask this same question to those who think YoR is "brilliant." :cool:

... and I would wonder what they are doing on a MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMOR RISSEY site - actually (horror uponr horror) LIKING a new Morrissey album - and I would point them them in the direction of the new Lily Allen release... and when I awoke from such a frightful nightmare I would thank God that I actually enjoyed listening to Morrissey songs.

But that's just me.

[nugz]

... and I would wonder what they are doing on a MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMOR RISSEY site - actually (horror uponr horror) LIKING a new Morrissey album - and I would point them them in the direction of the new Lily Allen release... and when I awoke from such a frightful nightmare I would thank God that I actually enjoyed listening to Morrissey songs.

But that's just me.

dude, you okay? :confused:

umm, I do like Morrissey. I bought the itunes version of this album, and the deluxe from Amazon and I'm seeing him 3 times next month. I think this album is average. I like it, but I dont think its brilliant by any means. whats wrong with that? and I don't listen to Lily Allen either.

[Orson Swells]

I don't listen to Lily Allen either.

HURRAH! - I just can't see the problem with liking a new Morrissey album which is obviously better than many in the past... :)

[Not Right in the Head]

I would ask the same question to anybody who has 'United States of Whatever' in there screen-name thing. Because to me, that makes it obvious they have no credibility.

I dare anyone who thinks that Infatuation is Morrissey to re-read this post a few times.

[newsworthy]

I dare anyone who thinks that Infatuation is Morrissey to re-read this post a few times.

why..?

[PregnantForTheLastTime]

I dare anyone who thinks that Infatuation is Morrissey to re-read this post a few times.

Maybe it's Morrissey, but he's really drunk. He would have to be, to continue arguing on So-low. Because no one will ever win, and it will never end.

Go to sleep, boys, wherever you are.

edited to add: You too, nugz.

[Not Right in the Head]

why..?

If you don't see it, then you don't see it.

[emma1979]

I think its ok, i find it abit of a moan though, who else feels same

[dagenham don]

Not I.

I think it is the bee's knees.

[emma1979]

Not I.

I think it is the bee's knees.

love the bull or is it a cow

[emma1979]

Who loves me, those tags are cool

[EPbabe]

I don't (dislike it).

[Sharron Needles]

I think its ok, i find it abit of a moan though, who else feels same

:nopity:

[noiseannoys]

It's growing on me, think it might start to grip me any time soon.

[oye terence]

i think its aces,best in a long time.but as always,different strokes for different folks.
what bugs me though,as the people who constantly compare anything he does to vauxhall and i, that was a long time ago folks.

[EPbabe]

i think its aces,best in a long time.but as always,different strokes for different folks.
what bugs me though,as the people who constantly compare anything he does to vauxhall and i, that was a long time ago folks.

Well said son. :thumb:

[oye terence]

Well said son. :thumb:

thank you, missus.:D

[still ill life]

I don't dislike it...I just don't like it. :rolleyes:

Though I probably haven't given it enough chances.

[Bona Drag]

I love it... I think is much better than quarry and tormentors...

[Deego]

It's magic.

[Tito]

yeah i dont like it.

i've loved everything Morrissey's done but this one blows.

i cant seem to find anything i like about the album. besides Paris the rest is crass

i think that's why people like it. srsly. it's just plain all throughout the album that people confuse this for consistency. they think it's a consistent album coz every song is EXACTLY as bland as the other.

[Ugly Devil]

I think its ok, i find it abit of a moan though, who else feels same

Inconsistent use of capitals and puctuation makes me moan. YOR is a gem. :crazy:

[Chico]

I think it sucks. Majorly.
Yes, I'm sure if I listened to it enough it would eventually grow on me, but that's not much of a compliment to the album is it?

Viva Hate, Your Arsenal, and Vauxhall and I were his best albums, and Steven Street, Lillywhite, Alain and Boz were his best collaborators.

I've been waiting patiently for YEARS for something half decent to come along, and all I get is dissapointment after dissapointment. It doesn't look like I'm going to get my wish.

His heart and music belong to Jesse Tobias now.

[TOBIN]

honestly at first i was dissapointed ,i think i was expecting too much,,but as the weeks have gone on and many listens i think its a cracking album taking him in a different direction slightly than his usual music content,,,i have tried to figure out how i wasnt to keen at yor at first and now really like it,,and my conclusion is IM STUMPED the guy must have some sort of spell on me,,steve,

[Corrissey]

It's not half bad.

[mozfish]

ive found YOR to be like other recent releases, you have to let it grow, today ive started to really enjoy it, i didnt download it, so its been a week in the car, every day, to and from work and school runs and my daughter HATES IT!! sorry kid, only moz in my car!!! lol

[TOBIN]

same here..if you dont like it kids GET OUT AND WALK..lol

[Franzanna]

I think it's alright. Not bad, not great, just okay, really. Some songs on it I like a lot, others I think are duds. I don't like his current voice as much as his earlier voices - I don't know how else to explain it, there's a very strange quality to it now.

[Buzzetta]

It is not that I do not like it. I think it is quite good. I just do not think it is "great."

[bluemask68]

I'll be honest, it takes a few listens to digest properly.

Some songs really stand out above others at first listen. I actually took it in small pieces-- I burned a CD with 5 songs-- then another with different songs-- I listened to them seperately over and again until I got to know the songs. Worked for me.

IMO Because of My Poor Education was worth the price of admission. We expect every song to be a gem then are disappointed when they don't meet our expectations. I look at it this way-- one, two, or even three gems are worth it. I'll accept the rest being filler.

[marred]

I think its ok, i find it abit of a moan though, who else feels same

Then why don't you just post your fairly weak comment on one of the many "I can't stand YOR" threads that already exist? If you going to start a thread that covers ground already done at least put some effort into your writing.

For god's sake Moz is possibly only going to be around in the biz for 5 years and this could quite possibly be his last album. We get it. A few of you don't like it but if you could keep all your moaning to one thread that would be great! :)

[Buzzetta]

Then why don't you just post your fairly weak comment on one of the many "I can't stand YOR" threads that already exist? If you going to start a thread that covers ground already done at least put some effort into your writing.

For god's sake Moz is possibly only going to be around in the biz for 5 years and this could quite possibly be his last album. We get it. A few of you don't like it but if you could keep all your moaning to one thread that would be great! :)

I don't think people are moaning about it. At least I am not. It is basically someone telling me that a movie is worth four stars out of four and I disagree because I believe it is a sold "3"

[nogodsnomasters85]

I'm seriously nonplussed with the album, although it's hardly a surprise. I had already heard most of the tracks, and Ringleader was pretty poor and Quarry not that much better. He appears to be on a steady downward trajectory. Don't get me wrong, i still have enormous respect for the man as an artist, i'm seeing him next month, but the album is mediocre at best. I only bothered putting four songs on my MP3 player, "All You Need..", "Paris", ""..How People Grow Up", and "..Goodbye..". The rest is forgettable. I think comnparison to his earlier work is inevitable and totally justifiable. Honestly, "Early Burglary Years" was the last album he put out that I thought was really something. The new songs are rock-ier, evoking "National Front", but they seem so much less epic, less personal, etc. There isn't a single track here that matches the lyrical depth, emotion, and literary acheivement of "November Spawned a Monster", "Everyday Is Like Sunday", or "Suedehead". Hey, nobody bats 1000.

[vicarinatutugal]

Then why don't you just post your fairly weak comment on one of the many "I can't stand YOR" threads that already exist? If you going to start a thread that covers ground already done at least put some effort into your writing.

For god's sake Moz is possibly only going to be around in the biz for 5 years and this could quite possibly be his last album. We get it. A few of you don't like it but if you could keep all your moaning to one thread that would be great! :)

:thumb::clap::highfive:

to keep it on topic, it's not one of my fav albums.

[I am a Ghost]

Not me, I think it's effin' marvellous...

I wonder is it an age thing, as a lot of the older members (or very old, as in me) seem to prefer it to a lot of the younger ones.

[Walkers Crisp]

My two cents:
I didn't like YOR at the first few listens because there were just too many tracks that I'd already known - it was kind of boring. I still can't stand "Thats How People Grow Up" and "All You Need Is Me". "Black Cloud" has a great intro, but Moz's voice butchers it. However, having lived with the album for a couple of weeks now i think it's definitely a grower - it sounds extremely diverse in my ears and some songs are just brilliant ("I'm OK By Myself" is a belter of a song!). It could become a Moz classic in a few years (opposed to ROTT which was just bland bland bland...).

[someofusisturningnasty]

Not me, I think it's effin' marvellous...

I wonder is it an age thing, as a lot of the older members (or very old, as in me) seem to prefer it to a lot of the younger ones.

I'm 22; is that defined as old or young or somewhere in between?

I love it, I really love it. It keeps growing on me...there are some really majestic songs on there. You Were Good In Your Time is beautiful, one of the best things he's ever done in my opinion.

[alma matters]

I'm 22; is that defined as old or young or somewhere in between?

I love it, I really love it. It keeps growing on me...there are some really majestic songs on there. You Were Good In Your Time is beautiful, one of the best things he's ever done in my opinion.

you're young. I think the poster was referring to "old" as people who have likely been fans from the early years and are in mid 30s or up.

I like it, mostly. There's only one song so unbearable to me I cannot listen to it, but usually a few I skip to get to the ones I like.

[jdbabz]

For me this is the worst Morrissey album, I've tried to like it even posting at a stretch what the possible virtues of each track are. I think that the production is horrendous. Listen to another disliked Morrissey album 'Kill Uncle', you can hear the instruments in their own right the double base, violins ...etc Jerry finn murdered yor by an over reliance on 'machines' synths....etc Morrisseys voice is plopped on top of the music.


It takes a good tune to rise above such 'americanised' production (madonna album sound, blink 182...etc) ..... no doubt it sounds totally different live. I'm glad Herb Alpert didn't play on it, I shudder to think what Finn would have done with his contribution. The best track is Paris. The moment there is a worthy bootleg I'm replacing yor with it. Juxtaposed on my mp3 player southpaw grammar and maladjusted, quarry, rott tracks out strip years of refusal.

In your heart of hearts do you really think that this is a great album not just in it's own right but compared with morrisseys' canon!?!

Let the pointless flame war begin.... 'the smiling children tell you that you smell'.... nuff said.

[Worm]

Morrisseys voice is plopped on top of the music.

Strongly disagree here. The vocals and music have never been tighter.


In your heart of hearts do you really think that this is a great album not just in it's own right but compared with morrisseys' canon!?!

My heart of hearts loves this album and consideres it a great one. It is the very best thing that Morrissey could have released in 2009. I justify this, as I have already done in another thread, by saying that Morrissey's work should be considered as a whole, not album by album.

[Cosey Mo]

Not me. I love it.

At first I was rather sceptical of the value of Yor; especially after reading some of the reviews. Then I listened to it and I disagreed with those bad reviews. Still I was inclined to compare YoR to Morrissey’s earlier albums until I realized I wasn’t really listening in the way it deserved to be listened to. I can see now how my comparison makes no sense since I was comparing things that are totally different. Hopefully I’ll get the chance to never make those mistakes again. I was just wasting my time.

Finally I surrendered to it and in my opinion, Yor is a marvel of perfection, and I do revere it as such. I am in love with it, which it is such a wonderful feeling that I feel sorry for those who aren’t.

[essential]

I'm just not so keen.

I waited until last Monday and trotted off to HMV in Covent Garden with my tenner, not feeling particularly excited because of the reviews I had heard already from the pre-release downloaders.

Nothing excited me on first play except perhaps for "It's not your birthday anymore". I like the screw-your-eyes-up drama of it. 10 days on and I still don't feel much different about the album. It is the first time I have EVER felt that it is perhaps time to move on. Just enjoy what I have in my collection but dont get too drawn into waiting around for new stuff.

I must admit that the gig I was so looking forward to going to on 22nd May doesn't seem quite so appealing now that I have digested the album.

[hongkongluna]

I dislike!!

Just as painful as ROTT. Moz has gone downhill since Quarry. These last two, so so bland.

[Stanley Ogden]

It`s good, but not brilliant!

Move on. New thread please!!!

[jdbabz]

I'm just not so keen.

I waited until last Monday and trotted off to HMV in Covent Garden with my tenner, not feeling particularly excited because of the reviews I had heard already from the pre-release downloaders.

Nothing excited me on first play except perhaps for "It's not your birthday anymore". I like the screw-your-eyes-up drama of it. 10 days on and I still don't feel much different about the album. It is the first time I have EVER felt that it is perhaps time to move on. Just enjoy what I have in my collection but dont get too drawn into waiting around for new stuff.

I must admit that the gig I was so looking forward to going to on 22nd May doesn't seem quite so appealing now that I have digested the album.

Yes I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments.

The lyrics are too straight forward, they're not evocative enough.

[marred]

you're young. I think the poster was referring to "old" as people who have likely been fans from the early years and are in mid 30s or up.

I like it, mostly. There's only one song so unbearable to me I cannot listen to it, but usually a few I skip to get to the ones I like.

Wow mid 30s is old? Excellent I guess I'm old then?

[Dave]

the teenagers who love you
they will wake up, yawn
and kill you

[oye terence]

the teenagers who love you
they will wake up, yawn
and kill you

teenagers are not very nice.

[Sherry]

I can't say I really hate the album..I do like it. But it would be last on my list. I imagined it would somewhat almost sound like Ringleader. I thought that it would go towards that romantic italianesque direction of sound..but it totally wasn't. It sounded, sort of alternative, and sort of..not new. I thought the songs mostly sounded the same, and there were loud guitars in mostly. In Ringleader, it had some very slow touching songs like, "Dear God Please Help Me", "Life Is a Pigsty","At last I am Born"...ROTT was diversified in sound in my opionion..while YOR was not. But again, I still do like the album.

[myboyracer]

Morrissey and Tobias together? :blushing:



I think it sucks. Majorly.

His heart and music belong to Jesse Tobias now.

[bagface]

I don't dislike it...I just don't like it. :rolleyes:

Though I probably haven't given it enough chances.


this. though it is growing on me a little. love something is squeezing my skull. will always hate it's not your birthday anymore probably.

[jdbabz]

Lets have a POLL!!!!!

All of the people who say they like the album seem to be five years of age 'oh yes I like it very much'. Why not say exactly why you like it. Form sentences, were there particular lyrics that blew your mind, a certain aspect of the composition, the production that is sublime.

And yes I know i'm not a master of language myself but come on people.

[Worm]

Lets have a POLL!!!!!

All of the people who say they like the album seem to be five years of age 'oh yes I like it very much'. Why not say exactly why you like it. Form sentences, were there particular lyrics that blew your mind, a certain aspect of the composition, the production that is sublime.

And yes I know i'm not a master of language myself but come on people.

I like the fact that Years of Refusal leads off with a song that sounds as if it might've come straight from one of Morrissey's notebooks in, oh, 1981, yet crackles with a line ("The motion of taxis excites me/When you peel it back and bite me") so sexy it could only have been written in his forties.

I like the fact that the first 8 songs average about three minutes in length and the second of the two "atmospheric ballads" is actually three minutes plus two more of background noise.

I like the jaunty, locomotive drumming on several of the songs, notably "Carol" and "Farewell", creating a briskness to the album which ends in a glorious thrash with "I'm OK By Myself", and that his voice fizzles out while the music rolls on down the train tracks, unstoppable.

I like Finn's crisp production values; I like that Finn lets Morrissey paint with all the colors on the spectrum for the second time in his career.

I like the way certain lyrics jump out of nowhere ("When I die I want to go to hell", "black earth on the casket fell", "the heart has a heart of its own").

I like Roger Manning's keyboards, which are in many places the equal to Stephen Street's arrangements on the early solo records: pinpoint embellishments in some places, the backbone of other songs in others ("Sorry Doesn't Help Us").

I like that "It's Not Your Birthday Anymore" would've been a whisper-quiet polka song in 1991 and here sounds acid and wounding.

I like Morrissey's willingness to stretch, push, yank, and pretzel his voice, such as "So it must be ta...KEN!" turning into a shimmering falsetto, or his voice going as high as I've ever heard it during the end of "It's Not Your Birthday Anymore" when he does the best sequence of keening "oh oh OHs" since "The Boy With The Thorn In His Side".

I like the end of "You Were Good In Your Time", when Morrissey and his band make death and purgatory sound like a somnolent waiting area in Charles de Gaulle airport.

I like the way he pauses in "I'm OK By Myself" and speaks the line "All of my life" as if the fact so exhausts and disgusts him he can't even sing it, or the way he carefully enunciates "morality" until it bleeds disdain.

I like the way "your homespun philosophy" reminds me of the many insufferable conversations I've had over the years with people who think the blind leading the naked is "an exciting lifestyle choice".

I like that critics miss the point that the admittedly clumsy-on-paper lines "I was driving my car/I crashed and broke my spine/So yes, there are worse things in life/Than never being someone's sweetie" are prosaic precisely so that "someone's sweetie" is delivered with maximum sarcasm.

I like the way "When Last I Spoke To Carol" reminds me of "Flight of The Conchords". (Those guys are funny.) I love the way "Carol" reminds me of Spaghetti Westerns and wonder how Finn captured the spirit so memorably and Visconti didn't. I love the whistling; I love the "high plains drifter" sound effects; I love that in the middle I can't tell if it's diseased seagulls, a dying dog, or an overexcited rooster shrieking over the mix; and I think that "Carol" might well be one of the five or six best songs he's written as a solo artist.

I like that Morrissey sings "Don't give me anymore" instead of the easier-to-sing "Don't give me more" on 'Skull', because the extra syllables make him sound hilariously out of breath.

I like the "Tomorrow"-ish bassline in "Black Cloud" because "Tomorrow" is about the only song of his I can think of that-- forgive me-- rocks like this album. It's been that long.

I like that Morrissey's voice hops, skips, yelps, flutters, soars, dips, and dances in the tunes as if the aggressive music played by his band were tickling him with fire. I am shocked that, purely in terms of synergy with backing musicians, this is the most complete sound he's ever put on record-- ever.

I like that one-off singles like "Paris", "All You Need Is Me", and "Grow Up" have a home on this collection because they help sustain the fast and furious pace.

I like that the album is full of humor yet very little of it is campy or self-deprecating, as if he's through apologizing for his genius (if he ever really did, that is).

I like that there's only an oblique reference to someone who might be Mike Joyce ("You lied about the lies you told"). Thank God.

I like that Years of Refusal is the most exciting guitar-heavy record I've heard in years even though almost none of the music is even remotely ground-breaking. Everything is transformed and elevated by that voice. I am astounded that at the age of 49 Morrissey sings these songs as if rock and roll was an asteroid that crash-landed in his backyard last Tuesday night.

I like that Years of Refusal makes my mind slip into blissful oblivion and associate the name "John Maher of Wythenshawe" with badly-written complaints about garbage-collecting on the letters page of The Sun ("Sincerely Yours").

I like that Years of Refusal is both a continuation of his recent work and a total break with the past; that when he sings "I'm OK By Myself" I think he means it this time; and most of all that the last song on the album ends with Morrissey letting his voice shatter into melodic static as one last sign that, unlike everyone else, he has absolutely no interest in treating his legacy like a Faberge egg.

I like that Years of Refusal singes my bad haircut with the knowledge that Morrissey is here, with me, in the present, and not a gangly ghost haunting a shuttered music hall in a sea-siiiiide town/that they forgot to close down; I like that one of the last bullets in Morrissey's clip is one of his very best.

Thank you, Morrissey.

[Dave]

Yes, "I crashed and broke my spine" was written by a person so capable and comfortable with his tools, that he can put the ideas into effect rather than showing off.

it's the difference between a singer with soul and a christina aguilera wannabe on American Idol singing every note in the scale except the one that happens to be in the melody line.

[Cassius]

Lets have a POLL!!!!!

All of the people who say they like the album seem to be five years of age 'oh yes I like it very much'. Why not say exactly why you like it. Form sentences, were there particular lyrics that blew your mind, a certain aspect of the composition, the production that is sublime.

And yes I know i'm not a master of language myself but come on people.


I like the fact that Years of Refusal leads off with a song that sounds as if it might've come straight from one of Morrissey's notebooks in, oh, 1981, yet crackles with a line ("The motion of taxis excites me/When you peel it back and bite me") so sexy it could only have been written in his forties.

I like the fact that the first 8 songs average about three minutes in length and the second of the two "atmospheric ballads" is actually three minutes plus two more of background noise.

I like the jaunty, locomotive drumming on several of the songs, notably "Carol" and "Farewell", creating a briskness to the album which ends in a glorious thrash with "I'm OK By Myself".

I like Finn's crisp production values; I like that Finn lets Morrissey paint with all the colors on the spectrum for the second time in his career.

I like the way certain lyrics jump out of nowhere ("When I die I want to go to hell", "black earth on the casket fell", "the heart has a heart of its own").

I like Roger Manning's keyboards, which are in many places the equal to Stephen Street's arrangements on the early solo records: pinpoint-sharp embellishments in some places, the backbone of other songs in others ("Sorry Doesn't Help Us").

I like that "It's Not Your Birthday Anymore" would've been a whisper-quiet polka song in 1991 and here sounds acid and wounding.

I like Morrissey's willingness to stretch, push, yank, and pretzel his voice, such as "So it must be ta...KEN!" turning into a shimmering falsetto, or his voice going as high as I've ever heard it during the end of "It's Not Your Birthday Anymore" when he does the best sequence of keening "oh oh OHs" since "The Boy With The Thorn In His Side".

I like the end of "You Were Good In Your Time", when Morrissey and his band make death and purgatory sounds like a somnolent waiting area in Charles de Gaulle airport.

I like the way he pauses in "I'm OK By Myself" and speaks the line "All of my life" as if the fact so exhausts and disgusts him he can't even sing it, or the way he carefully enunciates "morality" until it bleeds disdain.

I like the way "your homespun philosophy" reminds me of the many insufferable conversations I've had over the years with people who think the blind leading the naked is "a healthy lifestyle choice".

I like that critics miss the point that the admittedly clumsy-on-paper lines "I was driving my car/I crashed and broke my spine/So yes, there are worse things in life/Than never being someone's sweetie" is prosaic so that "someone's sweetie" is delivered with maximum sarcasm.

I like the way "When Last I Spoke To Carol" reminds me of "Flight of The Conchords". Those guys are funny. I love the way "Carol" reminds me of Spaghetti Westerns and wonder how Finn captured the spirit so memorably and Visconti didn't. I love the whistling; I love the "high plains drifter" wind sound effects; I love that in the middle I can't tell if it's diseased seagulls, a dying dog, or an overexcited rooster shrieking over the mix; and I think that "Carol" might well be one of the five or six best songs he's written as a solo artist.

I like that Morrissey sings "Don't give me anymore" instead of the easier-to-sing "Don't give me more", because the extra syllables make him sound hilariously out of breath.

I like the "Tomorrow"-ish bassline in "Black Cloud" because "Tomorrow" is about the only song of his I can think of that-- forgive me-- rocks like this album. It's been that long.

I like that Morrissey's voice hops, skips, yelps, flutters, soars, dips, and dances in the tunes as if the aggressive music played by his band were tickling him with fire. I am shocked that, purely in terms of synergy with backing musicians, this is the most complete sound he's ever put on record-- ever.

I like that one-off singles like "Paris", "All You Need Is Me", and "Grow Up" have a home on this collection of songs because they help sustain the fast and furious pace.

I like that the album is full of humor yet very little of it is camp or self-deprecating, as if he's through apologizing (if he ever really did, that is).

I like that there's only an oblique reference to someone who might be Mike Joyce ("You lied about the lies you told").

I like that Years of Refusal is the most exciting guitar-heavy record I've heard in years even though almost none of the music is even remotely ground-breaking. Everything is transformed and elevated by that voice. I am astounded that at the age of 49 Morrissey sings these songs as if rock and roll was an asteroid that crash-landed in his backyard last Tuesday night.

I like that Years of Refusal makes my mind slip into blissful oblivion and associate the name "John Maher of Wythenshawe" with badly-written complaints about garbage-collecting on the letters page of The Sun ("Sincerely Yours").

I like that Years of Refusal is both a continuation of his recent work and a total break with the past; that when he sings "I'm OK By Myself" I think he means it this time; and most of all that the last song on the album ends with Morrissey letting his voice shatter into melodic static as one last sign that, unlike everyone else, he has absolutely no interest in treating his legacy like a Faberge egg.

I like that Years of Refusal singes my bad haircut with the knowledge that Morrissey is here, with me, in the present, and not a gangly ghost haunting a shuttered music hall in a sea-siiiiide town/that they forgot to close down; I like that one of the last bullets in Morrissey's clip is one of his very best.

Thank you, Morrissey.

Worm Ownage

[CrystalGeezer]

Worm Ownage

She (or he) couldn't have summed it up better. Is that what ownage is?

[marred]

Lets have a POLL!!!!!

All of the people who say they like the album seem to be five years of age 'oh yes I like it very much'. Why not say exactly why you like it. Form sentences, were there particular lyrics that blew your mind, a certain aspect of the composition, the production that is sublime.

And yes I know i'm not a master of language myself but come on people.

We've already had a poll and the people that liked it which I am one of far outweighed the ones that didn't. Sorry too hung over to find the poll thread.

[alma matters]

Wow mid 30s is old? Excellent I guess I'm old then?

I didn't say old! I had it in "quotes" because the other poster was referring to "older" fans and thats the age bracket I figured he meant. As in people who have been fans since 1983. Some of the members, myself included, were not even born yet.

My husband is 34.

Calm down!

[Velvis]

I like the fact that Years of Refusal leads off with a song that sounds as if it might've come straight from one of Morrissey's notebooks in, oh, 1981, yet crackles with a line ("The motion of taxis excites me/When you peel it back and bite me") so sexy it could only have been written in his forties.

I like the fact that the first 8 songs average about three minutes in length and the second of the two "atmospheric ballads" is actually three minutes plus two more of background noise.

I like the jaunty, locomotive drumming on several of the songs, notably "Carol" and "Farewell", creating a briskness to the album which ends in a glorious thrash with "I'm OK By Myself", and that his voice fizzles out while the music rolls on down the train tracks, unstoppable.

I like Finn's crisp production values; I like that Finn lets Morrissey paint with all the colors on the spectrum for the second time in his career.

I like the way certain lyrics jump out of nowhere ("When I die I want to go to hell", "black earth on the casket fell", "the heart has a heart of its own").

I like Roger Manning's keyboards, which are in many places the equal to Stephen Street's arrangements on the early solo records: pinpoint embellishments in some places, the backbone of other songs in others ("Sorry Doesn't Help Us").

I like that "It's Not Your Birthday Anymore" would've been a whisper-quiet polka song in 1991 and here sounds acid and wounding.

I like Morrissey's willingness to stretch, push, yank, and pretzel his voice, such as "So it must be ta...KEN!" turning into a shimmering falsetto, or his voice going as high as I've ever heard it during the end of "It's Not Your Birthday Anymore" when he does the best sequence of keening "oh oh OHs" since "The Boy With The Thorn In His Side".

I like the end of "You Were Good In Your Time", when Morrissey and his band make death and purgatory sound like a somnolent waiting area in Charles de Gaulle airport.

I like the way he pauses in "I'm OK By Myself" and speaks the line "All of my life" as if the fact so exhausts and disgusts him he can't even sing it, or the way he carefully enunciates "morality" until it bleeds disdain.

I like the way "your homespun philosophy" reminds me of the many insufferable conversations I've had over the years with people who think the blind leading the naked is "an exciting lifestyle choice".

I like that critics miss the point that the admittedly clumsy-on-paper lines "I was driving my car/I crashed and broke my spine/So yes, there are worse things in life/Than never being someone's sweetie" are prosaic precisely so that "someone's sweetie" is delivered with maximum sarcasm.

I like the way "When Last I Spoke To Carol" reminds me of "Flight of The Conchords". (Those guys are funny.) I love the way "Carol" reminds me of Spaghetti Westerns and wonder how Finn captured the spirit so memorably and Visconti didn't. I love the whistling; I love the "high plains drifter" sound effects; I love that in the middle I can't tell if it's diseased seagulls, a dying dog, or an overexcited rooster shrieking over the mix; and I think that "Carol" might well be one of the five or six best songs he's written as a solo artist.

I like that Morrissey sings "Don't give me anymore" instead of the easier-to-sing "Don't give me more" on 'Skull', because the extra syllables make him sound hilariously out of breath.

I like the "Tomorrow"-ish bassline in "Black Cloud" because "Tomorrow" is about the only song of his I can think of that-- forgive me-- rocks like this album. It's been that long.

I like that Morrissey's voice hops, skips, yelps, flutters, soars, dips, and dances in the tunes as if the aggressive music played by his band were tickling him with fire. I am shocked that, purely in terms of synergy with backing musicians, this is the most complete sound he's ever put on record-- ever.

I like that one-off singles like "Paris", "All You Need Is Me", and "Grow Up" have a home on this collection because they help sustain the fast and furious pace.

I like that the album is full of humor yet very little of it is campy or self-deprecating, as if he's through apologizing for his genius (if he ever really did, that is).

I like that there's only an oblique reference to someone who might be Mike Joyce ("You lied about the lies you told"). Thank God.

I like that Years of Refusal is the most exciting guitar-heavy record I've heard in years even though almost none of the music is even remotely ground-breaking. Everything is transformed and elevated by that voice. I am astounded that at the age of 49 Morrissey sings these songs as if rock and roll was an asteroid that crash-landed in his backyard last Tuesday night.

I like that Years of Refusal makes my mind slip into blissful oblivion and associate the name "John Maher of Wythenshawe" with badly-written complaints about garbage-collecting on the letters page of The Sun ("Sincerely Yours").

I like that Years of Refusal is both a continuation of his recent work and a total break with the past; that when he sings "I'm OK By Myself" I think he means it this time; and most of all that the last song on the album ends with Morrissey letting his voice shatter into melodic static as one last sign that, unlike everyone else, he has absolutely no interest in treating his legacy like a Faberge egg.

I like that Years of Refusal singes my bad haircut with the knowledge that Morrissey is here, with me, in the present, and not a gangly ghost haunting a shuttered music hall in a sea-siiiiide town/that they forgot to close down; I like that one of the last bullets in Morrissey's clip is one of his very best.

Thank you, Morrissey.

Great post - thank you Worm.

I much prefer these kind of posts to theh constant - 'Not as good as V&I / I hate the current band' posts. I'm grabbing Morrissey while I can, not whingeing that he's not as good as he was 20 years ago :guitar:

[jdbabz]

Great post - thank you Worm.

I much prefer these kind of posts to theh constant - 'Not as good as V&I / I hate the current band' posts. I'm grabbing Morrissey while I can, not whingeing that he's not as good as he was 20 years ago :guitar:

Yes, that's what I was getting at. Lets bring out the marching band and no I don't want to have another poll.

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Sweet baby jesus.

[I am a Ghost]

Superb post by Worm, one of the best I've ever read in all the years I've been on here...

[jdbabz]

I don't think there was anything wrong with pointing out that (most) people who have said they like the album on this thread and the other "Yor is utterly brilliant" thread, have not elaborated on why that is the case. I would like to hear different perspectives, maybe there is something I am missing. God knows I have tried to like YOR but it's still languishing at the bottom of the pile for me.
I recognize that I'm in the minority here as I'm a ROTT fan and therefore not in tune with the average fan on this forum, so different perspectives are welcome. :)

[joe frady]

I like the fact that Years of Refusal leads off with a song that sounds as if it might've come straight from one of Morrissey's notebooks in, oh, 1981, yet crackles with a line ("The motion of taxis excites me/When you peel it back and bite me") so sexy it could only have been written in his forties.

I like the fact that the first 8 songs average about three minutes in length and the second of the two "atmospheric ballads" is actually three minutes plus two more of background noise.

I like the jaunty, locomotive drumming on several of the songs, notably "Carol" and "Farewell", creating a briskness to the album which ends in a glorious thrash with "I'm OK By Myself", and that his voice fizzles out while the music rolls on down the train tracks, unstoppable.

I like Finn's crisp production values; I like that Finn lets Morrissey paint with all the colors on the spectrum for the second time in his career.

I like the way certain lyrics jump out of nowhere ("When I die I want to go to hell", "black earth on the casket fell", "the heart has a heart of its own").

I like Roger Manning's keyboards, which are in many places the equal to Stephen Street's arrangements on the early solo records: pinpoint embellishments in some places, the backbone of other songs in others ("Sorry Doesn't Help Us").

I like that "It's Not Your Birthday Anymore" would've been a whisper-quiet polka song in 1991 and here sounds acid and wounding.

I like Morrissey's willingness to stretch, push, yank, and pretzel his voice, such as "So it must be ta...KEN!" turning into a shimmering falsetto, or his voice going as high as I've ever heard it during the end of "It's Not Your Birthday Anymore" when he does the best sequence of keening "oh oh OHs" since "The Boy With The Thorn In His Side".

I like the end of "You Were Good In Your Time", when Morrissey and his band make death and purgatory sound like a somnolent waiting area in Charles de Gaulle airport.

I like the way he pauses in "I'm OK By Myself" and speaks the line "All of my life" as if the fact so exhausts and disgusts him he can't even sing it, or the way he carefully enunciates "morality" until it bleeds disdain.

I like the way "your homespun philosophy" reminds me of the many insufferable conversations I've had over the years with people who think the blind leading the naked is "an exciting lifestyle choice".

I like that critics miss the point that the admittedly clumsy-on-paper lines "I was driving my car/I crashed and broke my spine/So yes, there are worse things in life/Than never being someone's sweetie" are prosaic precisely so that "someone's sweetie" is delivered with maximum sarcasm.

I like the way "When Last I Spoke To Carol" reminds me of "Flight of The Conchords". (Those guys are funny.) I love the way "Carol" reminds me of Spaghetti Westerns and wonder how Finn captured the spirit so memorably and Visconti didn't. I love the whistling; I love the "high plains drifter" sound effects; I love that in the middle I can't tell if it's diseased seagulls, a dying dog, or an overexcited rooster shrieking over the mix; and I think that "Carol" might well be one of the five or six best songs he's written as a solo artist.

I like that Morrissey sings "Don't give me anymore" instead of the easier-to-sing "Don't give me more" on 'Skull', because the extra syllables make him sound hilariously out of breath.

I like the "Tomorrow"-ish bassline in "Black Cloud" because "Tomorrow" is about the only song of his I can think of that-- forgive me-- rocks like this album. It's been that long.

I like that Morrissey's voice hops, skips, yelps, flutters, soars, dips, and dances in the tunes as if the aggressive music played by his band were tickling him with fire. I am shocked that, purely in terms of synergy with backing musicians, this is the most complete sound he's ever put on record-- ever.

I like that one-off singles like "Paris", "All You Need Is Me", and "Grow Up" have a home on this collection because they help sustain the fast and furious pace.

I like that the album is full of humor yet very little of it is campy or self-deprecating, as if he's through apologizing for his genius (if he ever really did, that is).

I like that there's only an oblique reference to someone who might be Mike Joyce ("You lied about the lies you told"). Thank God.

I like that Years of Refusal is the most exciting guitar-heavy record I've heard in years even though almost none of the music is even remotely ground-breaking. Everything is transformed and elevated by that voice. I am astounded that at the age of 49 Morrissey sings these songs as if rock and roll was an asteroid that crash-landed in his backyard last Tuesday night.

I like that Years of Refusal makes my mind slip into blissful oblivion and associate the name "John Maher of Wythenshawe" with badly-written complaints about garbage-collecting on the letters page of The Sun ("Sincerely Yours").

I like that Years of Refusal is both a continuation of his recent work and a total break with the past; that when he sings "I'm OK By Myself" I think he means it this time; and most of all that the last song on the album ends with Morrissey letting his voice shatter into melodic static as one last sign that, unlike everyone else, he has absolutely no interest in treating his legacy like a Faberge egg.

I like that Years of Refusal singes my bad haircut with the knowledge that Morrissey is here, with me, in the present, and not a gangly ghost haunting a shuttered music hall in a sea-siiiiide town/that they forgot to close down; I like that one of the last bullets in Morrissey's clip is one of his very best.

Thank you, Morrissey.

:bow:

[essential]

Love you worm.

Don't agree with most of what you said but love the effort you put into it.

:thumb:

[Worm]

Thanks to those who liked my post.


Love you worm.

Don't agree with most of what you said but love the effort you put into it.

:thumb:

A for effort...sigh, that's all I've ever gotten. :)

One of the reasons I didn't post my "positives" before now was that, as much as I like YOR, its greatness isn't something you can really argue about. Personal taste never is, but particularly so with this album. I didn't and don't expect to convince a soul. Fortunately I don't have to: Morrissey can do that well enough on his own, if people just listen.

[King Leer]

Amazing summary. If there was such a thing as "fan liner notes", this would win top prize -- I'm tempted to print it out and stick in the jewel case. And it's not about sycophancy -- it's about loving who Moz is and what he's doing in 2009.

Your paragraph on Carol is an articulated summary of my stream of consciousness while I listen to that track.

It's Not Your Birthday as a limply-produced Kill Uncle track refurbished with cadillac production and cojones to match. Yes! Also channels Ultravox' Vienna without being shit.



I like the fact that Years of Refusal leads off with a song that sounds as if it might've come straight from one of Morrissey's notebooks in, oh, 1981, yet crackles with a line ("The motion of taxis excites me/When you peel it back and bite me") so sexy it could only have been written in his forties.

I like the fact that the first 8 songs average about three minutes in length and the second of the two "atmospheric ballads" is actually three minutes plus two more of background noise.

I like the jaunty, locomotive drumming on several of the songs, notably "Carol" and "Farewell", creating a briskness to the album which ends in a glorious thrash with "I'm OK By Myself", and that his voice fizzles out while the music rolls on down the train tracks, unstoppable.

I like Finn's crisp production values; I like that Finn lets Morrissey paint with all the colors on the spectrum for the second time in his career.

I like the way certain lyrics jump out of nowhere ("When I die I want to go to hell", "black earth on the casket fell", "the heart has a heart of its own").

I like Roger Manning's keyboards, which are in many places the equal to Stephen Street's arrangements on the early solo records: pinpoint embellishments in some places, the backbone of other songs in others ("Sorry Doesn't Help Us").

I like that "It's Not Your Birthday Anymore" would've been a whisper-quiet polka song in 1991 and here sounds acid and wounding.

I like Morrissey's willingness to stretch, push, yank, and pretzel his voice, such as "So it must be ta...KEN!" turning into a shimmering falsetto, or his voice going as high as I've ever heard it during the end of "It's Not Your Birthday Anymore" when he does the best sequence of keening "oh oh OHs" since "The Boy With The Thorn In His Side".

I like the end of "You Were Good In Your Time", when Morrissey and his band make death and purgatory sound like a somnolent waiting area in Charles de Gaulle airport.

I like the way he pauses in "I'm OK By Myself" and speaks the line "All of my life" as if the fact so exhausts and disgusts him he can't even sing it, or the way he carefully enunciates "morality" until it bleeds disdain.

I like the way "your homespun philosophy" reminds me of the many insufferable conversations I've had over the years with people who think the blind leading the naked is "an exciting lifestyle choice".

I like that critics miss the point that the admittedly clumsy-on-paper lines "I was driving my car/I crashed and broke my spine/So yes, there are worse things in life/Than never being someone's sweetie" are prosaic precisely so that "someone's sweetie" is delivered with maximum sarcasm.

I like the way "When Last I Spoke To Carol" reminds me of "Flight of The Conchords". (Those guys are funny.) I love the way "Carol" reminds me of Spaghetti Westerns and wonder how Finn captured the spirit so memorably and Visconti didn't. I love the whistling; I love the "high plains drifter" sound effects; I love that in the middle I can't tell if it's diseased seagulls, a dying dog, or an overexcited rooster shrieking over the mix; and I think that "Carol" might well be one of the five or six best songs he's written as a solo artist.

I like that Morrissey sings "Don't give me anymore" instead of the easier-to-sing "Don't give me more" on 'Skull', because the extra syllables make him sound hilariously out of breath.

I like the "Tomorrow"-ish bassline in "Black Cloud" because "Tomorrow" is about the only song of his I can think of that-- forgive me-- rocks like this album. It's been that long.

I like that Morrissey's voice hops, skips, yelps, flutters, soars, dips, and dances in the tunes as if the aggressive music played by his band were tickling him with fire. I am shocked that, purely in terms of synergy with backing musicians, this is the most complete sound he's ever put on record-- ever.

I like that one-off singles like "Paris", "All You Need Is Me", and "Grow Up" have a home on this collection because they help sustain the fast and furious pace.

I like that the album is full of humor yet very little of it is campy or self-deprecating, as if he's through apologizing for his genius (if he ever really did, that is).

I like that there's only an oblique reference to someone who might be Mike Joyce ("You lied about the lies you told"). Thank God.

I like that Years of Refusal is the most exciting guitar-heavy record I've heard in years even though almost none of the music is even remotely ground-breaking. Everything is transformed and elevated by that voice. I am astounded that at the age of 49 Morrissey sings these songs as if rock and roll was an asteroid that crash-landed in his backyard last Tuesday night.

I like that Years of Refusal makes my mind slip into blissful oblivion and associate the name "John Maher of Wythenshawe" with badly-written complaints about garbage-collecting on the letters page of The Sun ("Sincerely Yours").

I like that Years of Refusal is both a continuation of his recent work and a total break with the past; that when he sings "I'm OK By Myself" I think he means it this time; and most of all that the last song on the album ends with Morrissey letting his voice shatter into melodic static as one last sign that, unlike everyone else, he has absolutely no interest in treating his legacy like a Faberge egg.

I like that Years of Refusal singes my bad haircut with the knowledge that Morrissey is here, with me, in the present, and not a gangly ghost haunting a shuttered music hall in a sea-siiiiide town/that they forgot to close down; I like that one of the last bullets in Morrissey's clip is one of his very best.

Thank you, Morrissey.

[Vauxhall95]

For me, this album is so bad it has made me question Morrissey's ability. It is a simple (for Morrissey) pop friendly album. Reviewers seem to love it because there is nothing challenging (or overtly depressing) about it, while only the most ardent and rabid Morrissey fans support this album.

It is if Morrissey has written an album for the masses, consequently he has alienated most of his fans (except for the die hards) and at 49 his sudden change in approach is not going to win him many new fans (just look at the paltry sales numbers given the album's reviews).

Regardless, the whole thing is too painful to listen to and watch. YOR has made me pull away from Morrissey. I never wanted to see Morrissey go out this way.

[Theo]

I liked Years of Refusal a lot to begin with, and I play it in full every day - some tracks several times a day.

But the below commentary by Worm has made me like it even more.

So that's a nice, well-written, positive post, from someone who opened himself to the album and let Mozza work his magic on him. I get tired of people (for example, Chico) trying to convince me I should like the album less, especially when those people rushed to their judgments without giving the album a fair chance. Chico couldn't wait to turn Years of Refusal off, throw it in the trash bin, lecture me that Moz hasn't done anything good since 1997, and return to his YouTubes of some Vegas lounge singer performing ironic, nostalgic covers of '90s pop hits. Such SoLowers think they're too cool for skool, but actually they're showing that they're officially old, unlike Moz.

Ha: I like the end of "You Were Good In Your Time", when Morrissey and his band make death and purgatory sound like a somnolent waiting area in Charles de Gaulle airport.



I like the fact that Years of Refusal leads off with a song that sounds as if it might've come straight from one of Morrissey's notebooks in, oh, 1981, yet crackles with a line ("The motion of taxis excites me/When you peel it back and bite me") so sexy it could only have been written in his forties.

I like the fact that the first 8 songs average about three minutes in length and the second of the two "atmospheric ballads" is actually three minutes plus two more of background noise.

I like the jaunty, locomotive drumming on several of the songs, notably "Carol" and "Farewell", creating a briskness to the album which ends in a glorious thrash with "I'm OK By Myself", and that his voice fizzles out while the music rolls on down the train tracks, unstoppable.

I like Finn's crisp production values; I like that Finn lets Morrissey paint with all the colors on the spectrum for the second time in his career.

I like the way certain lyrics jump out of nowhere ("When I die I want to go to hell", "black earth on the casket fell", "the heart has a heart of its own").

I like Roger Manning's keyboards, which are in many places the equal to Stephen Street's arrangements on the early solo records: pinpoint embellishments in some places, the backbone of other songs in others ("Sorry Doesn't Help Us").

I like that "It's Not Your Birthday Anymore" would've been a whisper-quiet polka song in 1991 and here sounds acid and wounding.

I like Morrissey's willingness to stretch, push, yank, and pretzel his voice, such as "So it must be ta...KEN!" turning into a shimmering falsetto, or his voice going as high as I've ever heard it during the end of "It's Not Your Birthday Anymore" when he does the best sequence of keening "oh oh OHs" since "The Boy With The Thorn In His Side".

I like the end of "You Were Good In Your Time", when Morrissey and his band make death and purgatory sound like a somnolent waiting area in Charles de Gaulle airport.

I like the way he pauses in "I'm OK By Myself" and speaks the line "All of my life" as if the fact so exhausts and disgusts him he can't even sing it, or the way he carefully enunciates "morality" until it bleeds disdain.

I like the way "your homespun philosophy" reminds me of the many insufferable conversations I've had over the years with people who think the blind leading the naked is "an exciting lifestyle choice".

I like that critics miss the point that the admittedly clumsy-on-paper lines "I was driving my car/I crashed and broke my spine/So yes, there are worse things in life/Than never being someone's sweetie" are prosaic precisely so that "someone's sweetie" is delivered with maximum sarcasm.

I like the way "When Last I Spoke To Carol" reminds me of "Flight of The Conchords". (Those guys are funny.) I love the way "Carol" reminds me of Spaghetti Westerns and wonder how Finn captured the spirit so memorably and Visconti didn't. I love the whistling; I love the "high plains drifter" sound effects; I love that in the middle I can't tell if it's diseased seagulls, a dying dog, or an overexcited rooster shrieking over the mix; and I think that "Carol" might well be one of the five or six best songs he's written as a solo artist.

I like that Morrissey sings "Don't give me anymore" instead of the easier-to-sing "Don't give me more" on 'Skull', because the extra syllables make him sound hilariously out of breath.

I like the "Tomorrow"-ish bassline in "Black Cloud" because "Tomorrow" is about the only song of his I can think of that-- forgive me-- rocks like this album. It's been that long.

I like that Morrissey's voice hops, skips, yelps, flutters, soars, dips, and dances in the tunes as if the aggressive music played by his band were tickling him with fire. I am shocked that, purely in terms of synergy with backing musicians, this is the most complete sound he's ever put on record-- ever.

I like that one-off singles like "Paris", "All You Need Is Me", and "Grow Up" have a home on this collection because they help sustain the fast and furious pace.

I like that the album is full of humor yet very little of it is campy or self-deprecating, as if he's through apologizing for his genius (if he ever really did, that is).

I like that there's only an oblique reference to someone who might be Mike Joyce ("You lied about the lies you told"). Thank God.

I like that Years of Refusal is the most exciting guitar-heavy record I've heard in years even though almost none of the music is even remotely ground-breaking. Everything is transformed and elevated by that voice. I am astounded that at the age of 49 Morrissey sings these songs as if rock and roll was an asteroid that crash-landed in his backyard last Tuesday night.

I like that Years of Refusal makes my mind slip into blissful oblivion and associate the name "John Maher of Wythenshawe" with badly-written complaints about garbage-collecting on the letters page of The Sun ("Sincerely Yours").

I like that Years of Refusal is both a continuation of his recent work and a total break with the past; that when he sings "I'm OK By Myself" I think he means it this time; and most of all that the last song on the album ends with Morrissey letting his voice shatter into melodic static as one last sign that, unlike everyone else, he has absolutely no interest in treating his legacy like a Faberge egg.

I like that Years of Refusal singes my bad haircut with the knowledge that Morrissey is here, with me, in the present, and not a gangly ghost haunting a shuttered music hall in a sea-siiiiide town/that they forgot to close down; I like that one of the last bullets in Morrissey's clip is one of his very best.

Thank you, Morrissey.

[Worm]

Theo and Worm agreeing. There's just something odd-sounding about that, isn't there? Like "clean coal" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFJVbdiMgfM). :rolleyes:

Morrissey must indeed be a magician. Even as we speak he's making fans disappear into thin air.

Apparently.

[hymeballs]

The first few days I listened to it I really disliked it. I sat picking apart the guitars, vocals, and lyrics with a fine tooth comb. Then one day I took it to work , turned it up and just let it play without a microscope and it finally came together very nicely. I let go of all my hang ups that it didn't sound like this or that from the past and when I did that I heard a pretty good pop album. It may not be the most challenging lyrically or musically but if you just listen to for what it is , its pretty damn good. Much more interesting than YATQ or ROTT. I can't quit singing "you dont like me but you love me, either way you're wrong/you're gonna miss me when I'm gone", ain't that the truth......