ex Catholics, Masons & New Agers apply here

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

http://www.dogma-movie.com/artwork/images/cathwow.gif
i went to catholic school til i was thrown out :o
so yeah, i think Catholicism sucks
but other stuff sucks too, my Mason grampa actually liked that i was thrown out of boscos cuz then he could induct me into
Demolay and the Masons
http://www.norcaldemolay.com/download/logos/demolay-masonic.gif
they even gave me
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/images/DemolayRing1.jpg
a cool ring :) but all that knight shit went to my head and so it kind of encouraged me to join the military http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/gulrober/me/smilie_ritter.gif
it seems that was the family tradition 'back hame' all the old masons had served together in one war or another
then in the army, well, i lost all faith, i shall not go into why, but yeah, war is hell, hooah?
after that, in the late 90s, i gave my dad's new thing a longer look
http://www.revbates.com/images/Church_of_Religious_Science.jpg
but it really was too hollywood for me, i enjoy some new age stuff
however, worshipping anything in very particular seems kind of weird to me
what about you?
after all, who needs a faith when we have
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/gulrober/her/symbols/mozzy%20babie/mp.jpg

[CrystalGeezer]

You're funny. :)

[Buzzetta]

I learned a lot of valuable lessons in Catholic School that I would not have learned anywhere else.

[Ready With Ready-Wit]

As a devout Catholic youth, you have no idea how many Mason Lodges/abortion clinics I've tagged/paint balled. :D:guitar:

Sadly, I'm too old for that now. :(

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

As a devout Catholic youth, you have no idea how many Mason Lodges/abortion clinics I've tagged/paint balled. :D:guitar:

Sadly, I'm too old for that now. :(
Masonic Lodges & abortion clinics have 0 to do with each other homeboy :cool:

[Ready With Ready-Wit]

Masonic Lodges & abortion clinics have 0 to do with each other homeboy :cool:

Oh duh. I just added the abortion stuff as a bonus. :)

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

Oh duh. I just added the abortion stuff as a bonus. :)

ok, whatever that means...

[Ready With Ready-Wit]

ok, whatever that means...

Moral of the story: Fuck Free Masons.

The Masonic idea not the people. :p

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

Moral of the story: Fuck Free Masons.

The Masonic idea not the people. :p

if you actually read my post, then you would know i am not a catholic, or a mason or a new ager anymore...

[Ready With Ready-Wit]

if you actually read my post, then you would know i am not a catholic, or a mason or a new ager anymore...

Oh I know. I did read it. Doesn't matter. Either way, I can't stand their organization.

I meant I don't hate people. Cuz we're all dumb for different reasons.

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

Oh I know. I did read it. Doesn't matter. Either way, I can't stand their organization.
for all the wrong reasons maybe :o

[Ready With Ready-Wit]

for all the wrong reasons maybe :o

I hate them cuz they do shit for the community. Who the fuck do they think they are? Assholes.

[bored]

I was in DeMolay so I spent a lot of time around Masons and Eastern Stars (The women's version of Masons basically).

The people that I met that were Masons were very good people who never forced their agenda on anyone.

What is the problem with the Masons?

Let's see.. they do nothing for the community is one quote I read. I'm sure some don't. I know many who do. As a private organization they are not required to do anything for the community. The bowling leagues don't do anything for the community except promote drinking beer and smoking cigarettes while wearing ugly clothes and shoes.

I know that Masonic contributions to charity far outweigh the bowling leagues.

What should the Masons be doing that they are not doing?

[Skinner]

I learned a lot of valuable lessons in Catholic School that I would not have learned anywhere else.

I did as well. Cathloic school for 16 years. I no longer consider myself a catholic but still attend masses for family reasons i.e. holidays and when my young cousins have their sacraments etc. I still try to maintain a catholic persona around my family, out of respect to my grandfather mostly. He's like super catholic. We secretly refer to him as JP2 haha.

I don't know if I would send my possible future children to catholic school. Its so damn expensive now. Tons of schools are closing actually which is sad because I think there is something good about catholic school's ability to dicipline students and help them focus.

[Ready With Ready-Wit]

I was in DeMolay so I spent a lot of time around Masons and Eastern Stars (The women's version of Masons basically).

The people that I met that were Masons were very good people who never forced their agenda on anyone.

What is the problem with the Masons?

Let's see.. they do nothing for the community is one quote I read. I'm sure some don't. I know many who do. As a private organization they are not required to do anything for the community. The bowling leagues don't do anything for the community except promote drinking beer and smoking cigarettes while wearing ugly clothes and shoes.

I know that Masonic contributions to charity far outweigh the bowling leagues.

What should the Masons be doing that they are not doing?
Dude you read that completely the wrong way. i used 'shit' like 'stuff'. In other words, they DO stuff for the community. i think its my fault though. i had to resort to sarcasm. :sick:

[Buzzetta]

I did as well. Cathloic school for 16 years. I no longer consider myself a catholic but still attend masses for family reasons i.e. holidays and when my young cousins have their sacraments etc. I still try to maintain a catholic persona around my family, out of respect to my grandfather mostly. He's like super catholic. We secretly refer to him as JP2 haha.

I don't know if I would send my possible future children to catholic school. Its so damn expensive now. Tons of schools are closing actually which is sad because I think there is something good about catholic school's ability to dicipline students and help them focus.

Agreed -

I attended public school from k-8
Went on to Catholic School from 9-12 where I can say the education I received there and the academic responsibility to which I was held made college a joke.
I did my undergrad at a private university
Then switched back to public for my graduate degree.

[mauve21]

Yeh.....what do you want! :guitar:

But in all seriousness, I was brought up Catholic, and
suffered the torment of the fear of the fires of hell
and henceforth played up a treat at the all girls college
so much so that I was expelled......:o

And that's why forcing religion upon a young person is not
a good idea.
And another thing is that I had horrendous nightmares as a child
about crucifixions and blazing virgin Marys........
And bad memories still linger of being in the Confessional and saying
but I haven't got any sins to tell..........
so wrong.......
Masons are an archaic, money hungry blight on the world,
New Agers don't really interest me a whole lot but as long as they're
not telling me what to do I really don't mind......

[bored]

Masons are an archaic, money hungry blight on the world,


Who do they take money from besides their own members?

[PregnantForTheLastTime]

I remember being just twisted with guilt and confusion trying to come up with things to confess. I was a kid, I hadn't done anything wrong. Disagreeing with a family member isn't morally wrong, and I hadn't done anything worse at 8. Maybe I forgot to feed the cat or something, but my mom would have yelled at me and the cat would have been fed. Big deal. I just hate the tone: "Of course you sinned, you're BREATHING GOD'S AIR and you're not fit to." That's probably why I only went to confession twice, and only go to Mass at funerals and weddings, and then I don't take communion.

It doesn't take much to seep into your mind and taint your thinking. My parents went to twelve years of Catholic school and never even considered sending us.

[Dave]

http://i44.tinypic.com/10qca6b.gif

Is Ozzy a Mason?

[Skinner]

I remember being just twisted with guilt and confusion trying to come up with things to confess. I was a kid, I hadn't done anything wrong. Disagreeing with a family member isn't morally wrong, and I hadn't done anything worse at 8. Maybe I forgot to feed the cat or something, but my mom would have yelled at me and the cat would have been fed. Big deal. I just hate the tone: "Of course you sinned, you're BREATHING GOD'S AIR and you're not fit to." That's probably why I only went to confession twice, and only go to Mass at funerals and weddings, and then I don't take communion.

It doesn't take much to seep into your mind and taint your thinking. My parents went to twelve years of Catholic school and never even considered sending us.


I find this intersting. While attending Catholic school and a few years after, I swore I would never send my potential future kids to such a place. But now that I think about it, if I had the money to, I would. I would feel badly about the whole theology aspect of the class schedule, but I do feel that Catholic schools keep students in check. As Buzzetta said, it really does prepare you for the kind of accademic standard you will have to deal with at university. Also I am 100% pro school uniforms. I have always thought they were a good idea for at least 20 reasons.

edit: Don't turn that into some asian school girl fantasy Robby, ok? ;)

[Dave]

ZOMG!

http://i41.tinypic.com/25fovmh.jpg


source (http://www.religion-cults.com/Secret/Freemasonry/Freemasonry-2.htm#NEW%20WORLD%20ORDER:)

[PregnantForTheLastTime]

In fairness, they really didn't have enough money for tuition, and we moved around often so for a big part of my school years, it wasn't even available as an option. But they didn't make us go to Mass, either, and that's practically free.

My mom said she lost faith in the Church entirely when a devout friend of her parents' was divorced by his wife. He could no longer take communion, just at a time when he needed that solace most. It really affected her.

[nugz]

I find this intersting. While attending Catholic school and a few years after, I swore I would never send my potential future kids to such a place. But now that I think about it, if I had the money to, I would. I would feel badly about the whole theology aspect of the class schedule, but I do feel that Catholic schools keep students in check. As Buzzetta said, it really does prepare you for the kind of accademic standard you will have to deal with at university. Also I am 100% pro school uniforms. I have always thought they were a good idea for at least 20 reasons.

edit: Don't turn that into some asian school girl fantasy Robby, ok? ;)

thats the only good thing about my Baptist school experience. the curriculum was much harder. if I wouldve went to my town's public school, I'm sure I would've turned out to be a complete dumbass. but i dont think I'd send my kids to Christian school b/c of all the other bad aspects. but I have a feeling that Catholic school isnt as bad as being sent to a school that's more conservative fundamentalist based. that sentence sounded awkward I know, but I wasn't sure how else to put it, haha.

oh just wanted to add that I don't think all public school's churn out dumbasses, but if you knew the town I lived in youd know what i mean.

[Skinner]

In fairness, they really didn't have enough money for tuition, and we moved around often so for a big part of my school years, it wasn't even available as an option. But they didn't make us go to Mass, either, and that's practically free.

My mom said she lost faith in the Church entirely when a devout friend of her parents' was divorced by his wife. He could no longer take communion, just at a time when he needed that solace most. It really affected her.

Wow, that's such a shame, about your parents' friend I mean. It's tricky because the Catholic message, the "golden rule" and things of that nature, make sense and allow people to feel safe and accepted in a good community of followers. Seems and sounds great. Until you do something to piss them off, then they turn on you. It happened to me when I was 16 or so and attending youth group regularly. Everyone eventually turned on me as they suspected I was (doing what normal teens were doing) experimenting with alcohol and hanging out with kids who were thought to be immoral. The worst part is they had no real evidence. Anyway, the parental moderator for the youth group called my parents to tell them I left early once to go hang out with this "bad crowd".

I came home to shit storm in my house as my parents were all paranoid etc. I never went back to youth group and when I still attend masses for a short time after this took place, I actually got nothing but evil looks and stares from the kids. Really accepting and loving huh, :rolleyes:

[PregnantForTheLastTime]

That's the risk you run when your stock-in-trade is sin and guilt. You can't have a system based on trying to be better than the next person without creating a witch hunt of one sort or another.

[Dave]

Wow, that's such a shame, about your parents' friend I mean. It's tricky because the Catholic message, the "golden rule" and things of that nature, make sense and allow people to feel safe and accepted in a good community of followers. Seems and sounds great. Until you do something to piss them off, then they turn on you. It happened to me when I was 16 or so and attending youth group regularly. Everyone eventually turned on me as they suspected I was (doing what normal teens were doing) experimenting with alcohol and hanging out with kids who were thought to be immoral. The worst part is they had no real evidence. Anyway, the parental moderator for the youth group called my parents to tell them I left early once to go hang out with this "bad crowd".

I came home to shit storm in my house as my parents were all paranoid etc. I never went back to youth group and when I still attend masses for a short time after this took place, I actually got nothing but evil looks and stares from the kids. Really accepting and loving huh, :rolleyes:

Try the Masons. They worship the devil.

[PregnantForTheLastTime]

Try the Masons. They worship the devil.

No, that's the Mormons. (Kidding! I have lots of LDS friends. The cool ones, they'd get the joke.)

[Skinner]

thats the only good thing about my Baptist school experience. the curriculum was much harder. if I wouldve went to my town's public school, I'm sure I would've turned out to be a complete dumbass. but i dont think I'd send my kids to Christian school b/c of all the other bad aspects. but I have a feeling that Catholic school isnt as bad as being sent to a school that's more conservative fundamentalist based. that sentence sounded awkward I know, but I wasn't sure how else to put it, haha.

oh just wanted to add that I don't think all public school's churn out dumbasses, but if you knew the town I lived in youd know what i mean.


That had me Ling OL or whatever it is haha.

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

being raised catholic was fucked up, but its also kind of cool
its like our own club of 'ex catholics' i dont know if other christians really have this
and when i went back to mass last week and the week before for the 1st time in 18 years
well, i was accepted right back, it was nice, now i think i will try and go at least one sunday a month, especially since there were some hot chicks there :horny:

[The Seeker of Good Songs]

That's the risk you run when your stock-in-trade is sin and guilt. You can't have a system based on trying to be better than the next person without creating a witch hunt of one sort or another.


It's difficult to be believe in or have faith in a belief that the very leader of is unsure of. The Pope himself did not know whether he would go to heaven, and could give no assurance to others—a rather shocking fact about the head of the world’s largest church who claimed to be Christ’s vicar on earth!John Cardinal O’Connor declared: “Church teaching is that I don’t know...what my eternal future will be. I can hope, pray, do my very best—but I still don’t know. Pope John Paul II doesn’t know absolutely that he will go to heaven, nor does Mother Teresa of Calcutta....” Cardinal John Krol, as spiritual leader of Philadelphia’s more than one million Catholics, admitted that his personal major worry was about “getting to heaven.” Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI), who headed the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, watchdog of Catholic orthodoxy (Holy Office of the Inquisition), and successor to John Paul II, expresses the same uncertainty of salvation—as he must. Like the Pope, the Church that he led firmly rejects Christ’s promise of “eternal life” (Jn 3:16 [2]) to all who believe on Him, that they have “passed from death unto life” (Jn 5:24 [3]) and “shall never perish” (Jn 10:28 [4]). Its priesthood offers endless Masses and prayers to Mary and favorite saints (thousands will be said for the dead pope), encourages pilgrimages to various shrines, and extends other means of gaining the same indulgences to shorten suffering in purgatory, a fact that upset Martin Luther and sparked the Reformation.

[PregnantForTheLastTime]

It's difficult to be believe in or have faith in a belief that the very leader of is unsure of.

I am inclined to think that that doubt is more an expression of the difficulty in reaching the Catholic heaven. It shouldn't be that difficult, a believer shouldn't have to spend his whole life agonizing over it. I suppose that Protestant faiths are more psychologically healthy in some ways. Christians I know are quite certain they will join Christ in heaven, because they believe, and do their best. I am thinking how the word, "Mercy" appears so much in the Catholic liturgy. The Protestant God is kind and welcoming, the Catholic God is going to make you sweat before (if) he lets you in.

I always found the concept of purgatory to be horribly... vengeful, I guess. Really cruel. I can see how a certain amount of child abuse goes hand in hand with the concept of a harshly judgemental God and original sin.

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

the Earth is hell, i just know it :cool:
but i wish
0zvDmLnBgTs
:o

[Ready With Ready-Wit]

This is EXACTLY why i'm gonna teach at a Catholic school very, very soon. I went to Our Lady of Victory in Compton, CA. Catholic education has gone downhill :(

[Cassius]

My dad was a Mason. At his funeral we had to sit through this stupid extravagant ceremony that the Masons put on. It was ridiculous.

[thewarroom]

My name is Mason. Does that count?

[swansong]

I'd be tempted to join the Masons (if I wasn't female) just to see what the hell they actually do.

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

edit: Don't turn that into some asian school girl fantasy Robby, ok? ;)
ok, i just saw that, so now i feel compelled to post this:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/gulrober/sexy/schoolgirls/estreno025c.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/gulrober/sexy/schoolgirls/a.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/gulrober/sexy/schoolgirls/h.jpg
and its not just asian girls
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/gulrober/sexy/schoolgirls/13.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/gulrober/sexy/schoolgirls/bgtatu242.jpg
also, this last one just cuz its funny
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/gulrober/sexy/schoolgirls/schoolgi.jpg

for some of us the school girl uniform things runs very deep, when i was a kid i walked Cindy home from school for years
and she was always wearing something like
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/gulrober/footwear/dresses-021a2.jpg
the above pic right above, so when me and her finally did it after years of knowing each other, it was like a gift from God!
i mean id confessed about lusting for her many a time by then...

[mauve21]

http://i44.tinypic.com/10qca6b.gif

Is Ozzy a Mason?

Heh, heh, no he's just overly caught up in symbolism and icons
in his muddled state :guitar:

[mauve21]

Look, I know that you can't paint everyone with the same brush,
but I do want to say that I believe the Patriarchal oppression of
a lot of churches has caused a lot of women to suffer.....
Not that long ago most Catholic women were expected to have
as many children as possible, or face the condemnation of their
peers. It's all very well to have lots of children but not if you can't
afford to look after them.
I also have a big problem with the Anti abortionists in the Catholic
church because while they tell people not to abort I don't see them
offering a solution or helping look after all the unwanted children that
are born.
When I was at school, we were taken to a seminar about the Rythm
Method and then told afterwards; "Oh, but remember this is only
for when you are married. Before that, you must never have sex...."
I won't even start about the high incidences of sexual abuse among
priests.

[IDon'tOweYouAnything23]

Having faith in a religion is comforting and gives hope. I think going to Catholic school did me good, the other schools that were non-denomination seemed to be unruly :cool:

[Sister Rose]

Having faith in a religion is comforting and gives hope. I think going to Catholic school did me good, the other schools that were non-denomination seemed to be unruly :cool:

I totally agree with you, there is a comfort and hope. :) I went to a Catholic school too, there was always that discipline.....not like them other unruly schools!! hahaha :p :D

[IDon'tOweYouAnything23]

I totally agree with you, there is a comfort and hope. :) I went to a Catholic school too, there was always that discipline.....not like them other unruly schools!! hahaha :p :D

My school was strict and it did do my head in at times :o but looking at it without that discipline the school wouldn't have performed as well, so suppose it did do me good;)