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mozsupportsrovers
December 14, 2008, 06:54 PM
Oviously Morrissey is a vegie, but he drinks alcohol wich has been filtered using animal extracts, does this mean he contradicts himself or what. Im not having a go at him as im a veggie myself and still drink alcohol, any1 else?

the beast
December 14, 2008, 06:56 PM
Oviously Morrissey is a vegie, but he drinks alcohol wich has been filtered using animal extracts, does this mean he contradicts himself or what. Im not having a go at him as im a veggie myself and still drink alcohol, any1 else?


behind closed doors, he eats meat:p

theneverplayedsymphony
December 14, 2008, 06:57 PM
Oviously Morrissey is a vegie, but he drinks alcohol wich has been filtered using animal extracts, does this mean he contradicts himself or what. Im not having a go at him as im a veggie myself and still drink alcohol, any1 else?

I always wondered whether he was ignorant of animal extracts in things like these. Somebody-tell him! Come out t'show dem!

neanderchimp
December 14, 2008, 07:02 PM
I always wondered whether he was ignorant of animal extracts in things like these. Somebody-tell him! Come out t'show dem!

I don't think he can be ignorant of it, it's just a tricky thing to get around like buying shoes. Until recently it was quite hard to get hold of vegatarian shoes (especially decent looking ones), then again alcohol isn't a necessity........damn this moral maze!

Jukebox Jury
December 14, 2008, 07:04 PM
I think it is a case of we can only do what we can do......

If I am buying wine, I get it from my Co-op as they not only do Fair Trade, but it is also veggie too.
If I am at one of the many freebie events that I go to, I sup the wine like there is no tomorrow.......no questions asked (well it would be a shame to waste it:D)

Same with beer......

I dont eat meat / fish / or by products on any other food / drink item and I don't wear any leather / animal products..... but when it comes to alcohol....... mine's always a large one:guitar:

Jukebox Jury

Danny_
December 14, 2008, 07:05 PM
I'm not a vegetarian but I think the tactic of accusing them of hypocrisy because they use products that might have exploited animals is invalid and dishonest.

I'd imagine unless you live in a cave it's impossible to live without exploiting animals in some way, because the whole of our society is based upon it.

Jukebox Jury
December 14, 2008, 07:06 PM
then again alcohol isn't a necessity........

:rolleyes::rolleyes::D

Jukebox Jury

theneverplayedsymphony
December 14, 2008, 07:07 PM
I don't think he can be ignorant of it, it's just a tricky thing to get around like buying shoes. Until recently it was quite hard to get hold of vegatarian shoes (especially decent looking ones), then again alcohol isn't a necessity........damn this moral maze!

It would be hard to be ignorant of it all. There is alcohol that doesn't use the fish bladder or whatever it is for filtering it. There was a blog about it on the happy vegetable a while back, can't find it now though.

But now there are no more Vegan Doc Marten's!!!:tears:

Ben Budd
December 14, 2008, 07:07 PM
Oviously Morrissey is a vegie, but he drinks alcohol wich has been filtered using animal extracts, does this mean he contradicts himself or what. Im not having a go at him as im a veggie myself and still drink alcohol, any1 else?

There's only so far you can go. Vegetarianism is all very nice, but if you're really going to impare your own life by virtues such as veganism etc etc then that's no real way to live.

Oh, and I couldn't live without Rosé wine.

the beast
December 14, 2008, 07:10 PM
i couldn't live without meat. and if anyone expects me to give up beef monster munch on a sunday, well they can fuck right off:eek:

theneverplayedsymphony
December 14, 2008, 07:12 PM
There's only so far you can go. Vegetarianism is all very nice, but if you're really going to impare your own life by virtues such as veganism etc etc then that's no real way to live.

Oh, and I couldn't live without Rosé wine.

Impare?:p Haha. And it's against his views which he often expresses to intake or wear anything with dead animals in it, so he is being hypocritical!

Jukebox Jury
December 14, 2008, 07:12 PM
There's only so far you can go. Vegetarianism is all very nice, but if you're really going to impare your own life by virtues such as veganism etc etc then that's no real way to live.

Oh, and I couldn't live without Rosé wine.

Ben
My mate Jim has been vegan since 1985 (apart from the dish I made him 10 years ago that had milk in.... I didn't see that on the label:o) and he has a ''real life'' to live.

Go to your local Co-op / Late Shop. They have a brand of Fair Trade wine including Rose (how did you get the dash on top of the letter 'e'?)

Jukebox Jury

Jukebox Jury
December 14, 2008, 07:14 PM
i couldn't live without meat. and if anyone expects me to give up beef monster munch on a sunday, well they can fuck right off:eek:

the beast,
I was going to invite you round for Xmas dinner at my place, sharing a nut roast:sweet:;)

Jukebox Jury

yesitis
December 14, 2008, 07:17 PM
i couldn't live without meat. and if anyone expects me to give up beef monster munch on a sunday, well they can fuck right off:eek:

monster munch are vegetarian. and beef? ew. pickled onion all the way.

neanderchimp
December 14, 2008, 07:19 PM
There's only so far you can go. Vegetarianism is all very nice, but if you're really going to impare your own life by virtues such as veganism etc etc then that's no real way to live.

Oh, and I couldn't live without Rosé wine.

Completely agree. I find it particularly strange that many of the vegans I know just substitute animal products for products like soya, the production of which is in many cases causing irreversible environmental damage through deforestation. The same with quorn (veggie's not just vegan) which is alright now but used to use battery chicken eggs in its products. People need to be aware of the implications of their wider vegan/vegetarian diet. It's not a case of not eating meat = superior ethical being, nor is it the case that drinking alcohol which uses animal products negates the effect of not eating meat.

ray_afraid
December 14, 2008, 07:21 PM
Mozzer also eats cheese and ice cream and wears leather shoes and belt and has leather car seats and leather seats in his home.
As for the dairy, those animals aren't always killed. Some dairy farms are kind to the animals. And as for the leather and beer... hmm.... I dunno. Whatever.

Jukebox Jury
December 14, 2008, 07:22 PM
Completely agree. I find it particularly strange that many of the vegans I know just substitute animal products for products like soya, the production of which is in many cases causing irreversible environmental damage through deforestation. The same with quorn (veggie's not just vegan) which is alright now but used to use battery chicken eggs in its products. People need to be aware of the implications of their wider vegan/vegetarian diet. It's not a case of not eating meat = superior ethical being, nor is it the case that drinking alcohol which uses animal products negates the effect of not eating meat.

How many Irish soya beans were withdrawn due to health scares this week?:guitar:

Jukebox Jury

the beast
December 14, 2008, 07:23 PM
monster munch are vegetarian. and beef? ew. pickled onion all the way.

the old pickled onion before walkers got their mits on them in 1994 were boss, not todays. saying that they've changed the recipe and banged them in the old style bag so mustn't grumble:guitar:

Jukebox Jury
December 14, 2008, 07:23 PM
Mozzer also eats cheese and ice cream and wears leather shoes and belt and has leather car seats and leather seats in his home.
As for the dairy, those animals aren't always killed. Some dairy farms are kind to the animals. And as for the leather and beer... hmm.... I dunno. Whatever.

How do you know he has leather seats in his car and home?

Jukebox Jury

theneverplayedsymphony
December 14, 2008, 07:28 PM
Mozzer also eats cheese and ice cream and wears leather shoes and belt and has leather car seats and leather seats in his home.
As for the dairy, those animals aren't always killed. Some dairy farms are kind to the animals. And as for the leather and beer... hmm.... I dunno. Whatever.

Morrissey used to get people putting notes on his car calling him a hypocrite, didn't? Then, he said he wears pleather. Not leather. And the jumpsuits he wore pre-Quarry were definitely fake leather!

the beast
December 14, 2008, 07:30 PM
How do you know he has leather seats in his car and home?

Jukebox Jury

have a look at his avatar. he probably pesters him day and night.

lottie
December 14, 2008, 07:53 PM
Oviously Morrissey is a vegie, but he drinks alcohol wich has been filtered using animal extracts, does this mean he contradicts himself or what. Im not having a go at him as im a veggie myself and still drink alcohol, any1 else?

Nowdays a lot of alcohol is produced without the 'animal filters' and the industry is slowly cottoning onto the fact that it pays to label their goods if they are suitable.

maybe he isnt aware of the filters used, as a lot of people arent, (it certainly seems like a bizzare way to filter beer) or hes like me and is selective in his buying/intake and goes for 'brands' that are veggie.
:)

CrystalGeezer
December 14, 2008, 07:57 PM
He probably doesn't eat gummy worms either.

lottie
December 14, 2008, 08:01 PM
He probably doesn't eat gummy worms either.

thats the one thing i missed when i ws first a strict veggie, those nice jelly sweets, but they are 90% gelatine! :sick:

i have now discovered though that there are some great vegan alternatives out there, like Panda liqourice (tastes like REAL liquorice, id NEVER EVER go back to the like of bassetts even if they took the gelatine out) and jelly belly jelly beans.
and my local wholefood shop does a great range in vegan gummy bears, YAY!!:guitar:

Wozzer
December 14, 2008, 08:02 PM
I've been living in the notion that he is a vegetarist not a vegan.

theneverplayedsymphony
December 14, 2008, 08:06 PM
I've been living in the notion that he is a vegetarist not a vegan.

But fish are also animals, I hate to tell you. Vegetarians should not eat them, that's for pescetarians!:o

mozsupportsrovers
December 14, 2008, 08:09 PM
well i seem to of stirred up summat here, it is hard sometimes determaning wether something is suitable to eat/drink. alcohol though remains something that i would never give up and this is something that most veggie's seem to agree with

Wozzer
December 14, 2008, 08:12 PM
But fish are also animals, I hate to tell you. Vegetarians should not eat them, that's for pescetarians!:o

I'm aware of that. I was referring to the fact that he does wear leather, shoes for example.

theneverplayedsymphony
December 14, 2008, 08:12 PM
well i seem to of stirred up summat here, it is hard sometimes determaning wether something is suitable to eat/drink. alcohol though remains something that i would never give up and this is something that most veggie's seem to agree with

I found this blog, it tells of some alcohol brands that are vegan and some that aren't:
http://www.happyvegetable.com/blog/getting-saucy-the-vegan-way/

lottie
December 14, 2008, 08:12 PM
well i seem to of stirred up summat here, it is hard sometimes determaning wether something is suitable to eat/drink. alcohol though remains something that i would never give up and this is something that most veggie's seem to agree with

I've always (and always will) gone by the rule that, if you arent sure its veggie then give it a miss...
often ive gone hungry, but at least i could sleep at night. :)

lottie
December 14, 2008, 08:13 PM
I'm aware of that. I was referring to the fact that he does wear leather, shoes for example.

but he doesnt!!!

theneverplayedsymphony
December 14, 2008, 08:13 PM
I'm aware of that. I was referring to the fact that he does wear leather, shoes for example.

Ah, okay, sorry!;) But, still, he does disagree with killing animals, so if he does wear a dead animal... :o you catch my drift, I'm sure. I'm sure I heard (heard with my eyes) him say it's all pleather, also!

theneverplayedsymphony
December 14, 2008, 08:15 PM
I've always (and always will) gone by the rule that, if you arent sure its veggie then give it a miss...
often ive gone hungry, but at least i could sleep at night. :)

I completely agree with this!

lottie
December 14, 2008, 08:18 PM
I completely agree with this!

you sir, are one cool cat :cool:

Wozzer
December 14, 2008, 08:18 PM
Ah, okay, sorry!;) But, still, he does disagree with killing animals, so if he does wear a dead animal... :o you catch my drift, I'm sure. I'm sure I heard (heard with my eyes) him say it's all pleather, also!

Oh... I tought that he actually wore clothes of leather. My mistake. :o

mozsupportsrovers
December 14, 2008, 08:18 PM
I found this blog, it tells of some alcohol brands that are vegan and some that aren't:
http://www.happyvegetable.com/blog/getting-saucy-the-vegan-way/

cheers for that, seems that most of the big brands are suitable for veggie's, like carlsberg and foster, strongbow. if only john smiths was:mad:

theneverplayedsymphony
December 14, 2008, 08:20 PM
you sir, are one cool cat :cool:

Why, thank you!:cool: As are you!

theneverplayedsymphony
December 14, 2008, 08:21 PM
cheers for that, seems that most of the big brands are suitable for veggie's, like carlsberg and foster, strongbow. if only john smiths was:mad:

Ah, your brand, I presume?

ray_afraid
December 14, 2008, 08:22 PM
have a look at his avatar. he probably pesters him day and night.

And what about my avatar tells you I do that?

lottie
December 14, 2008, 08:23 PM
And what about my avatar tells you I do that?

Ignore the beast, hes just jealous of your hair! ;):rolleyes:

mozsupportsrovers
December 14, 2008, 08:25 PM
cheers for that, seems that most of the big brands are suitable for veggie's, like carlsberg and foster, strongbow. if only john smiths was:mad:

Yeah, either that or Thwaites beer, although i do drink a bit of carlsberg now and then so thats okay. im a right in sayin morrissey drinks Carona(it was inhis demand list for Israel gig i think), so therefore he does consume something that isnt suitable for veggie's(im not avin a go at him by the way)

mozsupportsrovers
December 14, 2008, 08:27 PM
sorry carona is on the list, my mistake

theneverplayedsymphony
December 14, 2008, 08:31 PM
sorry carona is on the list, my mistake

Phew, that's really good to know!:D How could we ever doubt our Morrissey?:p

lottie
December 14, 2008, 08:35 PM
Phew, that's really good to know!:D How could we ever doubt our Morrissey?:p

I didn't!!!
*polishes halo* :p

Zelda Zonk
December 14, 2008, 11:07 PM
Why isn't he vegan?

Ni Nay
December 14, 2008, 11:16 PM
Why isn't he vegan?

Same reason as other vegetarians have:
No determination to do all the things to be a vegan. I bet it's not easy to be one, all the special food preparing and such..
I forgive him, I'm not going that far either.

EPbabe
December 14, 2008, 11:17 PM
Why isn't he vegan?

He hates vegetables. :) (I have a vegetarian friends who does.)

Depeche609
December 15, 2008, 06:38 AM
I assumed that Moz was a vegatarian not a vegan due to his choice in fine leather shoes and drinking milk...

someofusisturningnasty
December 15, 2008, 10:51 AM
He hates vegetables. :) (I have a vegetarian friends who does.)

I hate vegetables :p:o being a vegetarian this can be somewhat tricky.

lainey
December 15, 2008, 11:11 AM
I'm a veggie and select my beers carefully( carlsberg, carona) morrissey goes the same as he has mentioned it in interviews and that Israel rider confirms it.
he just loves his vegetarian cheese as do I.mmmmm

EPbabe
December 15, 2008, 02:49 PM
I hate vegetables :p:o being a vegetarian this can be somewhat tricky.

I know. my friend lives on pasta and chocolate. :p

Cudweed
January 5, 2009, 09:29 AM
Hi people

There are some things I'm interested in knowning about Morrissey's relationship to vegetarianism. So I hope you can help me out with the questions below. Not that you know the answers or anything, but if you do, don't hesitate to tell me ... ;-)

- When was the video for Meat Is Murder made? I seem to recall it was done some years later that 1985, when the album was released.
- How long has Morrissey been a member of Amnesty International and PETA?
- And does anybody the name of that british programme convincing Morrissey not to eat meat? Y'know the programme he watched when he was just 11.
- Has he cancelled other tours than the Canadian one back in 2006?
- Is there other Morrissey-songs that refers to not eating meat, than the one from '85?

Cudweed

Emil
January 5, 2009, 10:12 AM
As to the last question there is the following lines from Ouija Borad, Ouija Board:

She has now gone from this unhappy planet
With all the carnivores and destructors on it

But especially the line about Hamburgers from America Is Not The World.

ThePersonUnderneath
January 5, 2009, 12:15 PM
I drink Guinness because Morrissey does.

Kewpie
January 5, 2009, 02:32 PM
Hi people

There are some things I'm interested in knowning about Morrissey's relationship to vegetarianism. So I hope you can help me out with the questions below. Not that you know the answers or anything, but if you do, don't hesitate to tell me ... ;-)

- When was the video for Meat Is Murder made? I seem to recall it was done some years later that 1985, when the album was released.
- How long has Morrissey been a member of Amnesty International and PETA?
- And does anybody the name of that british programme convincing Morrissey not to eat meat? Y'know the programme he watched when he was just 11.
- Has he cancelled other tours than the Canadian one back in 2006?
- Is there other Morrissey-songs that refers to not eating meat, than the one from '85?

Cudweed

You might find some answers from decent quote from Moz on meat? (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=81270/)

Cudweed
January 5, 2009, 09:03 PM
Thanks a lot!

I'll check it out.


(It suprises me my thread has been attached to this other thead ...:confused:

lainey
January 5, 2009, 09:51 PM
I drink Guinness because Morrissey does.

I really don't think guinness is veggie which is a shame so I don't think morrissey drinks it. he drinks corona and I know there are loads of other beers that are veggie

j funk
January 5, 2009, 10:58 PM
There was a list posted naming alcohol brands that include non-vegan processes / ingredients wasn't there? Can't see it this time round.

The list wasn't that large, even considering it included things containing honey.

I don't really care, but I have stopped drinking Bailey's as it contains gelatine. Also heard real ale is filtered through gelatine but I rarely drink it anyway. I do have have leather shoes and accesories too but I mainly just want to brag about having leather seats.

I'm glad this thread isn't a claim to be a better vegetarian than Morrissey, although do you really know what he drinks that he shouldn't? Guinness, really?

Kewpie
January 5, 2009, 11:05 PM
I'm glad this thread isn't a claim to be a better vegetarian than Morrissey.


Hahaha, that's soooooooooooo 2008. :p

xfranklyx
January 6, 2009, 03:15 PM
it really drives me nut that moz just doesnt take the next step to vegan!!!
i know he loves his "cheez its" or whatever cheese cracker is on his rider and he came out with at one atl show. but come one, if you are goin to be so preachy then at least have the balls to go vegan. how can he preach meat is murder when he is still supporting the horrible dairy industry, still wearing gucci which im sure use fur and leather on other clothes of theirs, and im sure some of those colognes he wears have been tested on animals.
moz, you have enough $$$ for a personal chef!!! GO VEGAN



I drink Guinness because Morrissey does.
oh and btw
guinness is def not veg...

ThePersonUnderneath
January 6, 2009, 07:35 PM
I am almost certain I read an interview with Morrissey in which he was described as drinking Guinness. I think it might have been while flicking through the new Len Brown book in a record shop. If I find it I'll let you know. What about the Sing Your Life adverts, too ("IN SEARCH OF STOUT?").

I hate the idea of eating animals but recently came to the decision to not worry about the beer I drink (even though I know better in some cases) after years of it being a hassle. I also have a leather belt and shoes. I know this makes me a lazy and horrible hypocrite. I really do.

One of your children
January 6, 2009, 08:07 PM
This is a hard one,i eat meat i could live with of without it,i only really eat chicken as u can do so much with it and it tastes nice! red meats i dont like that much! chickens dont look nice and peck and fight so i dont feel bad about that! and i buy free range to!
the way i see it if u are going to talk and belive so passionatly about something u should follow it through 100%(there are matieral shoes and belts they my look naf but it saves animals lives???) in the Morrissey on Marianne Faithfull, Sandie Shaw - interview by Len Brown (1997) the car morrissey is siting in am sure is a porsche,look at the seats! black leather!
so its like religion theres a base but u make it up as u go along! so for morrissey at the o2 to have a go at stall holders and meat eaters does really show the side of him that i dont like! he also said "dont be pressured into nothing" then making people feel bad for eating meat! what comes to mind is "i started something i couln't finish" if style is more important than what u belive and preach it does make u look naff,but we are all fickle so i dont hold it agaist him.
on jonathan ross he said meat is tastless u have to do stuff to it make it taste nice! most veg is the same try a raw potatoes,cauliflower,sprouts etc most food needs cooking or at least flavouring so that quote was daft!

i dont eat fish! but i have a large tropical tank set up and id save a fishes life over a chicken any day lol :D

Quiffaa
January 6, 2009, 09:17 PM
Rescued cockerel makes love match

A cockerel which was rescued by a farmer after being evicted from a Tyneside council estate has found love.

Basil's feathers have been ruffled by an ex-battery hen


quote
'
"This is a case of true love conquering all, she is a battery hen and her survival has defied all odds, and he fought against eviction from his Gateshead home and became a celeb in the poultry world."

Joyce Callaghan, his main keeper in Gateshead, has been to visit Basil and said: "Bonnet just adores him and I hope there will be some chicks soon."
'

Source
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tyne/7813501.stm

yesitis
January 6, 2009, 09:19 PM
on jonathan ross he said meat is tastless u have to do stuff to it make it taste nice! most veg is the same try a raw potatoes,cauliflower,sprouts etc most food needs cooking or at least flavouring so that quote was daft!


tomato, carrot, apple, pepper, cucumber, banana, celery, melon, mushroom, onion, lettuce, radish, berries...

and a whole bunch more.

Quiffaa
January 6, 2009, 09:33 PM
fabulous fruit, nice nuts, several seeds, handsome herbs, seasoned spices,
different dairy (soy cacao milk and desserts ...)

lainey
January 6, 2009, 09:44 PM
fresh fruit and vegetables have the most wonderful taste. I know a few smokers who have weakened taste buds and need to go spicy

One of your children
January 6, 2009, 09:50 PM
tomato, carrot, apple, pepper, cucumber, banana, celery, melon, mushroom, onion, lettuce, radish, berries...

and a whole bunch more.
Oh yes theres stuff u can just pick and is nice, some fish is served raw,but we could carry on forever but for a hot hearty meal u need to cook and flavour,no matter if its meat or veggies,a person should be judged by his actions and his heart not what they eat! what ever way u look at it all food was once living just because a plant doest have cute eyes or what ever its the same thing,animals are forced breed and fed like crops are sprayed and forced to produce bigger faster yeilds,and plants and crops are homes for other small animals and incects that are living things that die at harvest time when the machines hack them to peices,so were does it end!:tears::D

One of your children
January 6, 2009, 09:53 PM
sorry about the 3 copys dont know what happend there?

Quiffaa
January 6, 2009, 10:06 PM
sorry about the 3 copys dont know what happend there?

server hiccups.

You might want to delete the copies:
pushing the EDIT button takes you to the DELETE buttonry

Quiffaa
January 6, 2009, 10:21 PM
... a person should be judged by his actions and his heart not what they eat! ...

So eating isn't acting/deciding /having had a choice????

If you are concerned about the small animals hiding among the crop, why not about the big ones?

Why must Vegetarians/Vegans prove never to lapse and always fulfill some degree of purity/perfection? Is this the catholic saints club? No need to be more popish than the pope.

The choice is yours:

adding more uneccesary pain and suffering to the world
or abstaining from that.

One of your children
January 7, 2009, 12:08 AM
Eating meat dont make a person a bad person or a vegetarian a good person even though killing animals to eat makes the meat eater look evil,but a vegetarian can be a self centered wife child beater(example) a meat eater could be both lol if i had to kill the animal to eat myself i couldnt!!! and if they took meat off the shelf i wouldnt care! so i eat chicken because i do genuinly like it but its not a drug and i dont need it................so does this mean iam heading towards vegetarianism? this post has really made me think about meat for the first time!
so if i did i would still ware leather and my car has full leather interior so the way i would see it,the meat eaters demand killed the animal that came first,so using the leather for furniture/shoes etc comes second! so i woulnt feel as bad as it seems thats how its working???????.
we must remember the first drums were skin and guitar strings were gut but we dont need/use them now so maybe one day eating animals will be a thing of the past! oh and the pope is a homophobic oldman that stinks of piss! :D:rolleyes:

ThePersonUnderneath
January 7, 2009, 04:36 PM
You're a Morrissey fan and THIS POST made you think about meat for the FIRST TIME? :confused::D

lottie
January 7, 2009, 05:48 PM
Eating meat dont make a person a bad person or a vegetarian a good person even though killing animals to eat makes the meat eater look evil,but a vegetarian can be a self centered wife child beater(example) a meat eater could be both lol if i had to kill the animal to eat myself i couldnt!!! and if they took meat off the shelf i wouldnt care! so i eat chicken because i do genuinly like it but its not a drug and i dont need it................so does this mean iam heading towards vegetarianism? this post has really made me think about meat for the first time!
so if i did i would still ware leather and my car has full leather interior so the way i would see it,the meat eaters demand killed the animal that came first,so using the leather for furniture/shoes etc comes second! so i woulnt feel as bad as it seems thats how its working???????.
we must remember the first drums were skin and guitar strings were gut but we dont need/use them now so maybe one day eating animals will be a thing of the past! oh and the pope is a homophobic oldman that stinks of piss! :D:rolleyes:
#

hate to stick a big hairy fly in your ointment,
the leather comes from a different 'batch' of animals to those used for meat..
so its double the killing. :mad::tears:
besides who wants to wear another creatures skin? i wouldnt.

One of your children
January 7, 2009, 06:29 PM
thanks for leting me know that skin comes from a diffrent source :)
as for being a Smiths/morrissey fan doest mean i have to be a vegetarian,ive listened to the smiths that led to morrissey solo since that late 80s and i wont become a vegetarian because of morrissey it has to be a personal choice! this post was about meat and it made me think about how much i dont really eat that much of it! but i could of been in a airport waiting for a plane and this conversation came up and it would of made me think about it just the same!
i love morrissey but not everything about him! i feel the same about members of my family/friends,thats just being realistic! id give up something because i think its right for me and the movment i support, not because someone wants me to or to be eccepted as real morrissey fan! he talks/sings about more than meat! and the others things he says/sings i understand and relate to and that makes me a true fan!
most morrissey fans are obsessive and think they know everything about him and what he thinks, and its not healthy! and iam sure people think he comes on hear and reads all this, and if someone really makes a post that sticks out he will contact them and want to be there friend! lol
i respect all morrissey fans for whatever reason they like him,(and theres a whole list)u can go to 100 gigs per tour it makes no diffrence, its how he makes u feel inside and we all have diffrent feelings and understandings,ive gone a little off track but ill keep u posted if i go completely vegetarian :) then i can go meat bashing lol take care!:D

ForgetMe
April 28, 2009, 04:58 AM
I was curious to see if anyone actually knew for certain if Morrissey is in fact vegan or just a vegetarian? I personally think he's just a veggie, although I am almost positive I read an interview from the 80's where he spoke about not eating or using any animal products. But I've also spoken to several people who say without a doubt he's vegan. But I'm not sure if I believe that. Does anyone here have any insight, and if so, would like to share? And I apologize if this has been already discussed. Thanks!

jwizjam
April 28, 2009, 05:02 AM
I think he is just a vegetarian. I know he wears leather. He once said there was just not good alternative to leather for shoes. That was probably in the late 80s. I know I have read something about cheese intake, too. Don't think he is vegan.

Depeche609
April 28, 2009, 05:03 AM
I was curious to see if anyone actually knew for certain if Morrissey is in fact vegan or just a vegetarian? I personally think he's just a veggie, although I am almost positive I read an interview from the 80's where he spoke about not eating or using any animal products. But I've also spoken to several people who say without a doubt he's vegan. But I'm not sure if I believe that. Does anyone here have any insight, and if so, would like to share? And I apologize if this has been already discussed. Thanks!

I think he's just a vegetarian because I've seen him eat cereal with milk.
Unless it's soy milk...I'm very curious about this myself.

Also, Moz looks like he wears leather loafers on stage? maybe? Does that mean he will wear his friends, just not eat them.

Someone clear this confusion up :p

ForgetMe
April 28, 2009, 05:43 AM
IHe once said there was just not good alternative to leather for shoes. That was probably in the late 80s. I know I have read something about cheese intake, too. Don't think he is vegan.

I have read that as well, but then apparently he took that back and said he did eventually find a good alternative and he doesn't wear them anymore. I've heard one of his favorite foods is yogurt. And like Depeche609 said, in the Alma Matters video he's eating cereal and on the cover of one of his 7 inches when around when Ringleader came out, he's eating an ice cream cone. Of course they could all be alternative products, but it makes you wonder... I would really like to find out.

Uncleskinny
April 28, 2009, 05:48 AM
I'm almost certain he's not Vegan. Likes a bit of Cheese on Toast.

Peter

Kewpie
April 28, 2009, 05:55 AM
When Morrissey was talking to Russell Brand on BBC Radio 2 in December 2006, he said he didn't consider himself as a vegetarian nor a vegan.
He also said "I don't eat animals which lived, I don't end their lives just because I'm peckish".

ForgetMe
April 28, 2009, 06:20 AM
I will admit that I am a little disappointed in the fact that he isn't vegan. But even though I wish he was, I still do feel he does some good with in getting a general idea of not eating animals or their by products out there. I love how he isn't afraid to express how he feels. Like at the Coachella show with his remark about the smell of meat and the hope that it was human's. I love it! And reading this interview, http://foreverill.com/interviews/1985/murder.htm, gets me excited. I love how he supports more militant groups such as the ALF and such. Or at least he did then, and I would assume now as well. But I must say, the interviewer really does get on my nerves with his pointless and childish questions. Moz's responses make up for it, though.

Vic Strangeways
April 28, 2009, 11:35 AM
Oviously Morrissey is a vegie, but he drinks alcohol wich has been filtered using animal extracts, does this mean he contradicts himself or what. Im not having a go at him as im a veggie myself and still drink alcohol, any1 else?

Most of the German beers are vegan! And there's also a list of a bunch o vegan beers!

xfranklyx
April 28, 2009, 12:49 PM
as of the last tour he was NOT vegan.
as per his rider last year:

250g quality vegetarian cheddar cheese from Ireland or New Zealand.
Organic milk, 2% fat.
Kerrygold Salted butter
one pack of Cheez-It crackers, red or white cheese


i dont see why he doesn't go vegan.
moz please go vegan, you wont get beat up like moby did, i promise.

andy.s
April 28, 2009, 01:22 PM
lol CHEEZ-ITS?!

christ moz, get a better diet

I get the feeling hes on the vegeterian junk food diet. The kind you do the first month your a vegeterian. Eating soy/gluten based anything. That stuff is so bad for you. I could definitly see him microwaving a boca burger with a glass of wine.

blue jag
April 28, 2009, 01:24 PM
MMM I wonder if he has ever had a bacon sandwich at 3a.m. in secret?

Mozza220559
April 28, 2009, 01:42 PM
MMM I wonder if he has ever had a bacon sandwich at 3a.m. in secret?

Erm, no.

Black Eyed
April 28, 2009, 03:56 PM
Well I dont know about Moz,but my life was shattered today by an article in a freebie newspaper that said most bread, white and brown, has some part of pigs intestines in it, but this is never put on the label as they feel it is 'cooked out' in the process.

This is diabolical, and the thought of no more Warburtons toastie bread makes me quite sad. On the plus side though, I did eat far too much bread so I'm starting to think this is a good bit of news for me (as long as I dont dwell on my last 30 years of bread consuming :o:o).

crimes
April 28, 2009, 04:07 PM
Well I dont know about Moz,but my life was shattered today by an article in a freebie newspaper that said most bread, white and brown, has some part of pigs intestines in it, but this is never put on the label as they feel it is 'cooked out' in the process.

This is diabolical, and the thought of no more Warburtons toastie bread makes me quite sad. On the plus side though, I did eat far too much bread so I'm starting to think this is a good bit of news for me (as long as I dont dwell on my last 30 years of bread consuming :o:o).
I didn't know about this so looked up the story on the Metro site... Here it is (http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?Most_bread_not_fit_for_vegetarians&in_article_id=636820&in_page_id=34).

It says that Warburtons, Hovis and Kingsmill customers "need not worry". Not sure if I believe that or not though...

Interesting Thug
April 28, 2009, 06:07 PM
Well I dont know about Moz,but my life was shattered today by an article in a freebie newspaper that said most bread, white and brown, has some part of pigs intestines in it, but this is never put on the label as they feel it is 'cooked out' in the process.

This is diabolical, and the thought of no more Warburtons toastie bread makes me quite sad. On the plus side though, I did eat far too much bread so I'm starting to think this is a good bit of news for me (as long as I dont dwell on my last 30 years of bread consuming :o:o).

you WHAAT?!! :mad:

lottie
April 28, 2009, 07:11 PM
Well I dont know about Moz,but my life was shattered today by an article in a freebie newspaper that said most bread, white and brown, has some part of pigs intestines in it, but this is never put on the label as they feel it is 'cooked out' in the process.

This is diabolical, and the thought of no more Warburtons toastie bread makes me quite sad. On the plus side though, I did eat far too much bread so I'm starting to think this is a good bit of news for me (as long as I dont dwell on my last 30 years of bread consuming :o:o).

WHAT????

omg thats it, im going back to baking my own, and to think i was just getting a taste for that seed sensations stuff.. :mad:
(mind you i could live without bread, one of those foods i like for a while then get sick of.)

lottie
April 28, 2009, 07:14 PM
as of the last tour he was NOT vegan.
as per his rider last year:

250g quality vegetarian cheddar cheese from Ireland or New Zealand.
Organic milk, 2% fat.
Kerrygold Salted butter
one pack of Cheez-It crackers, red or white cheese


i dont see why he doesn't go vegan.
moz please go vegan, you wont get beat up like moby did, i promise.

I understand it is practically impossible to get cheese from new zealand that is veggie. :mad:
good to see he has skimmed organic milk though, he'd be ok living with me. ;)

Vicky
April 28, 2009, 07:34 PM
lol CHEEZ-ITS?!

christ moz, get a better diet

I get the feeling hes on the vegeterian junk food diet. The kind you do the first month your a vegeterian. Eating soy/gluten based anything. That stuff is so bad for you. I could definitly see him microwaving a boca burger with a glass of wine.

I have the same feeling. Of course, I don't know if that is true, and I don't know what he's eating every day. But he puts on a lot of weight, so eating vegeterian junk food could be true.

Vicky
April 28, 2009, 07:38 PM
Same reason as other vegetarians have:
No determination to do all the things to be a vegan. I bet it's not easy to be one, all the special food preparing and such..
I forgive him, I'm not going that far either.

It's not that difficult as it sounds. Especially for a person who has enough money, personal staff and the possibilities to chose.

lainey
April 28, 2009, 07:58 PM
I have the same feeling. Of course, I don't know if that is true, and I don't know what he's eating every day. But he puts on a lot of weight, so eating vegeterian junk food could be true.

he said in a recent interview that the anti depressants he takes bloats him. also at a recent concert at the House of Blues he requested brown rice and peppers which is as healthy as you can get.

Oh my god, it's Robby!
April 28, 2009, 08:01 PM
does he eat bread? :eek: thats what i want to know :mad:

Lemon
April 28, 2009, 08:05 PM
I understand it is practically impossible to get cheese from new zealand that is veggie. :mad:
good to see he has skimmed organic milk though, he'd be ok living with me. ;)


There's a few companies in NZ that have cheese suitable for vegetarians (Livingstone, Island Stream, some others), mind you I'm lactose intolerant so I avoid the stuff altogether :p.

Oh my god, it's Robby!
April 28, 2009, 08:18 PM
There's a few companies in NZ that have cheese suitable for vegetarians (Livingstone, Island Stream, some others), mind you I'm lactose intolerant so I avoid the stuff altogether :p.

speaking of NZ cheese, i ate some Tasty ones there :yum:

Dave2006
April 28, 2009, 08:35 PM
Didn't The Smiths all live off egg and chips from motorway service stations?

Dave

andy.s
April 28, 2009, 10:35 PM
on the subject of bread - NO one should be eating it regardless of your diet, white, whole wheat, pumpernickle. It's all garbage, and you dont need it. If you do need something to spread jam on, try Ezekiel Sprouted Bread, it actually has nutritional value, and is gluten free! haha

barenstank
April 29, 2009, 02:17 AM
i like dairies

JoyDiv007
April 29, 2009, 04:34 AM
as of the last tour he was NOT vegan.
as per his rider last year:

250g quality vegetarian cheddar cheese from Ireland or New Zealand.
Organic milk, 2% fat.
Kerrygold Salted butter
one pack of Cheez-It crackers, red or white cheese


I love Cheez-its.

I've always wondered about beer and wine, but I love both way too much to ever give up.

Though buying cheese is a problem, here have no clue what's in it. Vegetarian cheese can be quite expensive.

Vicky
April 29, 2009, 04:53 PM
he said in a recent interview that the anti depressants he takes bloats him. also at a recent concert at the House of Blues he requested brown rice and peppers which is as healthy as you can get.

oh, sorry - I've totally forgotten about the anti depressants. Of course most people put weight on when they take it. It happened to me as well a few years ago when I needed it, but I was happy about it as I'd lost a lot of weight and was much to thin during this time of my life.