THink about it "M" people

[wankyone]

Once again there is no Canadian dates on the Mozz tour. I know I am beating a dead horse here; rather, I am stroking a live one. Which sounds worse? Haha. Anyways, we all know the main reason reason Morrissey doesn't tour Canada anymore. We all know his fans don't club seals; therefore, he is punishing the wrong people. He would prefer his fans in Can., what is left of them, to jump into an emission producing vehicle and drive 8 hours to the nearest venue. Yes some of us do that. Seems kinda like a bully at times, kinda like an old stubborn Brit. Reminds me of my dad or fahter inlaw, who are both 20 years his elder. Doesn't say much for him. One might think I am not a fan, but it is real easy to hate the things you love. My teenage years were spent going to Diff. Morrissey tours, and at one point I had seen none other more than M. live. He now sits around fifth or sixth. I will say this. He is becoming a thng of the past and being forgotten. He needs to get back to Canada because I can't justify putting $200.00 worth of carbon monoxide into the air. $2 bills gets me to the show and a hotel with a few m8s here in Toronto. He should use His Canadian seal hunt boycott as a platform for awareness. Make a statement.
Tell me what you think.
Peace

[Kewpie]

FYI, please read your fellow canadian winghead's thread (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=90391/)

[vivabob]

look i dont agree with clubbing seals but i understand his view on why he doesnt want to go to canada .. :o

I think the reason on the back of the seal thing is ... If he plays then he puts money into the canadian ecconomy , he disagrees with the govement stance so doesnt want to put money towards a govement he disagrees with. :rolleyes:

Its a shame for the fans , why not write to the govement as a group and ask them to stop, thats the only way i can see him comming to see you ;)

[Disappointed]

I wholeheartedly second what vivabob said. Think about all of the money that he and his fans would be putting into the Canadian economy if he did a huge tour of Canada. He, his crew, and his fans would stay in Canadian hotel rooms...eat at Canadian restaurants...put Canadian gasoline into tour buses and cars...etc., etc.

I believe in every person's right to boycott anything and anyone they wish. Why support, even if indirectly, something that you are thoroughly against?

Please, write to your government representatives, and tell them that you find seal hunting vile, disgraceful, abominable. You could probably even tell them that there are people (you don't have to name those people if you don't want to) who are boycotting the entire nation of Canada because of these seal hunting practices.

[someofusisturningnasty]

"He is becoming a thng of the past and being forgotten."

Simply not true.

[lottie]

I for what its worth totalyy agree with moz on his reasosn not to play in canada,
shame how he doesnt apply the same principles in Spain, where they are just as cruel if not more so. (and i dont mean to seals :rolleyes:)

[echobay]

I would say all Morrissey fans agree that the seal cull is absolutely inhumane, disgusting, unnessesary, and cruel.

But I seem to remember a quote from Moz about how even peaceful protest does not make a difference.

There is cruelty in every counrty all over the world. Especially Canada, where Morrissey
fans are being deprived of a basic human need- Morrissey love.

Morrissey just get your pert butt over here, shower us with music and Moz love and lead us in a massive protest against this barbaric practice.

We love the seals. We love you.

[echobay]

p.s If you won't budge on Canada at least make your way to Northern Michigan.... it's all I can afford :tears: :tears:

[nowherefast944]

Once again there is no Canadian dates on the Mozz tour. I know I am beating a dead horse here; rather, I am stroking a live one. Which sounds worse? Haha. Anyways, we all know the main reason reason Morrissey doesn't tour Canada anymore. We all know his fans don't club seals; therefore, he is punishing the wrong people. He would prefer his fans in Can., what is left of them, to jump into an emission producing vehicle and drive 8 hours to the nearest venue. Yes some of us do that. Seems kinda like a bully at times, kinda like an old stubborn Brit. Reminds me of my dad or fahter inlaw, who are both 20 years his elder. Doesn't say much for him. One might think I am not a fan, but it is real easy to hate the things you love. My teenage years were spent going to Diff. Morrissey tours, and at one point I had seen none other more than M. live. He now sits around fifth or sixth. I will say this. He is becoming a thng of the past and being forgotten. He needs to get back to Canada because I can't justify putting $200.00 worth of carbon monoxide into the air. $2 bills gets me to the show and a hotel with a few m8s here in Toronto. He should use His Canadian seal hunt boycott as a platform for awareness. Make a statement.
Tell me what you think.
Peace


then don't go.

anyway,

he's playing pittsburgh, so you may have a shot in upcoming years

[von sulstrus]

The pre-order process discriminates against nationality and place of residence. As a Canadian, I could not pre-order tickets and am apparently not worthy to download YOR or have access to the best seats at the Buffalo show. Morrissey continues to demonstrate that he can be a dispicable human being and is selecting his audience based on their nationality. This is another example of racism to add to his long list of racist practices.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

[Ai*]

http://www.counterjumper.com/portfolio/illustration/match.jpg

;)

[Kewpie]

The pre-order process discriminates against nationality and place of residence. As a Canadian, I could not pre-order tickets and am apparently not worthy to download YOR or have access to the best seats at the Buffalo show. Morrissey continues to demonstrate that he can be a dispicable human being and is selecting his audience based on their nationality. This is another example of racism to add to his long list of racist practices.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...


:confused:

Morrissey isn't entirely responsible for preorder and ticket sales arrangement.

If you don't live in the States you cannot preorder tickets as simple as that.
This is not racial discrimination.
It's entirely up to you to travel to see his shows in the States.
Tickets are still available for purchase after presale.

[von sulstrus]

That's not the point. Sure I'm allowed to ride the bus, but I have to sit at the back.

[Kewpie]

That's not the point. Sure I'm allowed to ride the bus, but I have to sit at the back.


Poor you.
I'd suggest you to remember to check the relevant sites before the tickets go on sale.

If you manage to make some friends in the States it'd be easier to ask them some help in future.

Presale does not always guarantee to sell front seats.
Some venues sell front row seats on the day of the show.

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

so far he's not playing my city, and we dont club seals just crabs :p


ps: canada is cold, end of story :cool:

[von sulstrus]

I believe that Morrissey is racist.
If you don't want to acknowledge that, fine. You are entitled to your opinion.

I'll have a better time at The Hold Steady gig in Buffalo the following week and I'm not too concerned about checking sites, or friends or whatever. But thanks for the advice, Oprah.

[Kewpie]

I believe that Morrissey is racist.
If you don't want to acknowledge that, fine. You are entitled to your opinion.

I'll have a better time at The Hold Steady gig in Buffalo the following week and I'm not too concerned about checking sites, or friends or whatever. But thanks for the advice, Oprah.


Can you give us the concrete evidence of Morrissey is a racist?

We have a bunch of evidence that Morrissey IS NOT A RACIST.

This is one of the discussions about the subject (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=93718/)

Just because Morrissey keeps boycotting Canada which does not make him a racist.

Get the fact right, angry young man.

[Godlovesugly]

Posting in this thread because I saw "M people"

Ie78VtBtwBI

[Assassin]

I for what its worth totalyy agree with moz on his reasosn not to play in canada,


That's such a ridiculous view to have. He plays in America & Britian all the time. And these are countries which have caused unrelenting havoc over the past couple of years and they have inflicted suffering and misery upon millions of people. Infact almost every country he plays in does things which he would certainly disagree with. Things that I would say are far more distressing than this whole seal issue...and that's coming from someone who is a vegeterian etc.

If you are strongly against something which a country is doing you should actually go to the bloody country. Because that means you are going to confront the issue and it allows you to convey how grotesque you may think it is to an audience (even though he is a musician). By not going to Canda, he is doing nothing. He's having no effect.


I think Morrissey is still very relevant of course. But I find his standpoint on this whole issue, abhorrent and just very very stupid.

[von sulstrus]

[QUOTE=Kewpie;1038220]Can you give us the concrete evidence of Morrissey is a racist?

I think that the example I cited this morning is concrete. Morrissey Inc. has discriminated against listeners' nationality and decided that a certain demographic should not be allowed to download YOR nor pre-order tickets for his shows. I'm not upset that he won't tour Canada. I'm offended that I cannot purchase concert tickets or digitial product because of my nationality.

[Paulc]

[CODE]
I think that the example I cited this morning is concrete. Morrissey Inc. has discriminated against listeners' nationality and decided that a certain demographic should not be allowed to download YOR nor pre-order tickets for his shows. I'm not upset that he won't tour Canada. I'm offended that I cannot purchase concert tickets or digitial product because of my nationality.

It is hard to defend Morrissey's position over Canada. He hates the seal cull. He wont play there or release music there as a result. He does not take this stance with Spain (where they watch bulls fight) or Japan or Norway (where they hunt whales) or a multitude of other countries where animals are mistreated. I accept he is inconsistent in this regard. However, he is not racist against anyone including Canadians. To suggest that he is frankly ridiculous and you know it.

To love Morrissey is to love his genius as well as his inconsistencies. Perhaps you cant have one without the other?

[klivert70]

Can you give us the concrete evidence of Morrissey is a racist?

I think that the example I cited this morning is concrete. Morrissey Inc. has discriminated against listeners' nationality and decided that a certain demographic should not be allowed to download YOR nor pre-order tickets for his shows. I'm not upset that he won't tour Canada. I'm offended that I cannot purchase concert tickets or digitial product because of my nationality.

Why not move, just a thought......;)

[Hellie]

Blimey an actual "star" that stands up for what he believes in and doesn't relinquishes his beliefs.:eek:

He doesn't eat the corpses of animals and doesn't play Canada because of the Seal hunt.Amen.

There are worse things to have to do than travel to see Morrissey.You could travel to see U2.Now that would be a real tragedy.:rolleyes:

[slubacca]

unfortunately, bringing up this subject again won't change anything. you'd have to speak directly to morrissey or the canadian government in order to make some sort of a resolution (which is altogether unlikely). as a canadian moz fan, it was dissapointing to hear that he wouldn't be coming here to tour. but i think it would be even more dissapointing to know he didn't follow his beliefs and didn't act according to what he feels is right. he can be inconsistent with his beliefs sometimes but as was mentioned, you have to take his imperfections with his genius. i suggest that you make a road trip to the nearest date to see him because it's an experience you won't forget.

really we can disagree all we like, but it is his choice in the end. would you really rather sulk that he won't come here instead of going and seeing him perform? if it is truly about the music and nothing else, it shouldn't matter where he plays, just that you are there and enjoying yourself.

[Assassin]

Blimey an actual "star" that stands up for what he believes in and doesn't relinquishes his beliefs.:eek:

He doesn't eat the corpses of animals and doesn't play Canada because of the Seal hunt.Amen.

There are worse things to have to do than travel to see Morrissey.You could travel to see U2.Now that would be a real tragedy.:rolleyes:

But how is ignoring a country going to stop or prevent it? Oh yes I won't sing any songs in your country because you are horrible to seals. Oh but yes...I'll play America were the government spends bizillions and bizillions on murdering humans.

I'm sure if you were in the exact same position as Candanian fans you wouldn't say that.

[von sulstrus]

... i suggest that you make a road trip to the nearest date to see him because it's an experience you won't forget.

really we can disagree all we like, but it is his choice in the end. would you really rather sulk that he won't come here instead of going and seeing him perform? if it is truly about the music and nothing else, it shouldn't matter where he plays, just that you are there and enjoying yourself.


I have no problem with him not touring Canada. My issue is that because I am Canadian, I could not pre-order tickets to see him at venues in the states. I was trying to travel to see the show, but Morrissey does not want Canadians there by not allowing them to purchase tickets to the shows. That to me, is offensive.

[starless]

I have no problem with him not touring Canada. My issue is that because I am Canadian, I could not pre-order tickets to see him at venues in the states. I was trying to travel to see the show, but Morrissey does not want Canadians there by not allowing them to purchase tickets to the shows. That to me, is offensive.

Morrissey has nothing to do with deciding which country gets to buy tickets first. This is all up to the venues which obviously have their policies regarding online ticket sales.

[Disappointed]

I have no problem with him not touring Canada. My issue is that because I am Canadian, I could not pre-order tickets to see him at venues in the states. I was trying to travel to see the show, but Morrissey does not want Canadians there by not allowing them to purchase tickets to the shows. That to me, is offensive.

Have you talked to Ticketmaster, the venues in question, etc., about this? At least find out what their reasoning (if any) is.

I doubt that any of that is Morrissey's fault.

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

Posting in this thread because I saw "M people"

Ie78VtBtwBI
http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/48/102848-004-045D0B1B.jpg
:eek:

[moz'art girl]

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/theampersand/archive/2008/12/18/morrissey-to-bring-his-maudlin-back-to-main-street-u-s-a.aspx
Morrissey to bring his maudlin back to Main Street, U.S.A., but not Canada by Jason Rehel

"Steven Patrick Morrissey, long missing from the North American music market's stable of pop legends, is coming back next year with a splash. The Moz has signed a U.S. record deal with Lost Highway Records, home to Lyle Lovett and Elvis Costello, and based in Nashville, Tenn., to release his upcoming album Years of Refusal. The album will still be on the Mozzer's own Attack imprint, and we have no word of Canadian details on the deal. At the very least, U.S. imports should set fans back less than their U.K. equivalents. It looks like the album could be available as soon as tomorrow in some markets, but wider only in February.
The track listing is slated as:

1. Something Is Squeezing My Skull
2. Mama Lay Softly On The Riverbed
3. Black Cloud
4. I’m Throwing My Arms Around Paris
5. All You Need Is Me
6. When Last I Spoke to Carol
7. That’s How People Grow Up
8. One Day Goodbye Will Be Farewell
9. It’s Not Your Birthday Anymore
10. You Were Good In Your Time
11. Sorry Doesn’t Help
12. I’m OK By Myself

And the huge U.S. tour scheduled for early 2009 will take Morrissey all over those United States, but unfortunately as close as he'll get to Canada this time around will be Chicago, Boston, New York and Buffalo, N.Y. on March 19 (and it's sure to be a sea of red). The tour kicks off in Boca Raton, Fla., oddly enough. Although heck, Florida is easy on the skin in March, right? It seems that we're still all being punished for those seal hunts, what with the cute quotient and the cause celebre factor (will the Moz actually pose nude with Eva Mendes? What happened to "Me without clothes — a nation turns its back and gags"?) Well, we're certainly happy to hear that self-confidence finally took root for the Moz, some time between then and now. We're just sorry that political rationality seems to still be lacking — after all, doesn't the Canadian boycott hurt the people who identify most fervently with his Meat is Murder message? Just sayin'. Maybe coming to play, say, a symbolic gig in Toronto or Ottawa might send a better message? Otherwise, Canadian fans will just have to stay up in their rooms and listen to the records...":cool:

[wankyone]

I for what its worth totalyy agree with moz on his reasosn not to play in canada,
shame how he doesnt apply the same principles in Spain, where they are just as cruel if not more so. (and i dont mean to seals :rolleyes:)

He shouldn't for so many reasons play the U.S.A.; however, still does. Look at what the rest of the world thinks of America compared to Canada. EH! He goes where the $$ is.


I would say all Morrissey fans agree that the seal cull is absolutely inhumane, disgusting, unnessesary, and cruel.

But I seem to remember a quote from Moz about how even peaceful protest does not make a difference.

There is cruelty in every counrty all over the world. Especially Canada, where Morrissey
fans are being deprived of a basic human need- Morrissey love.

Morrissey just get your pert butt over here, shower us with music and Moz love and lead us in a massive protest against this barbaric practice.

We love the seals. We love you.

So well said. I definately don't agree with teh seal crap that goes on. I also think the people who so "wholehartedly" agree with him live in the states where they don't have to worry. Then again the U.S. doesn't worry about it's own people either.




The pre-order process discriminates against nationality and place of residence. As a Canadian, I could not pre-order tickets and am apparently not worthy to download YOR or have access to the best seats at the Buffalo show. Morrissey continues to demonstrate that he can be a dispicable human being and is selecting his audience based on their nationality. This is another example of racism to add to his long list of racist practices.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

So well said! I don't agree with the sel crap either; it's terrible. I also think the people who "woleheartedly" agree with Morrissey must live in the states, where teh government doesn't worry about it's own let alone seals.

Peace

[Theo]

I noticed he did a Q&A with Maxim Canada.

Is Canada still the most evil country on earth, or can we chill on that shit now?

It's so cold in Cleveland, Lake Erie is 90% frozen over. Which means I could walk right across the lake to Ontario.


Another dumb thread. Just wanna give Kewpie some things to shift and merge about. :)

[yesitis]

well he probably didn't do the interview with maxim canada did he? it was probably an interview from the uk or the american version just being used by the canadian one.

[vivabob]

no tour date = yes :eek:

[nowherefast944]

I have no problem with him not touring Canada. My issue is that because I am Canadian, I could not pre-order tickets to see him at venues in the states. I was trying to travel to see the show, but Morrissey does not want Canadians there by not allowing them to purchase tickets to the shows. That to me, is offensive.

you should write him a letter.

i hear he singles out people from canada and bans them from his presales.

[CharlieHustle]

...people in northern Canada make a living off the seal hunt?

I'm not here to debate whether the Canadian seal hunt is ethical or not. I don't eat or wear seal. I don't club seals and I've never wronged a seal - as far as I know.

What I do know is that I have been an avid fan of Moz for more than 20 years. I've bought his records, shirts and concert tickets time and time again. Now I'm being shut out because there's a seal hunt in Canada?

It's great to have conviction and to show one's support for a cause, but this is idiocy. Morrissey's Canadian fans are the only ones who'll suffer.

...besides the baby seal I'm gonna take this shit out on.

[Alma.Anima]

I rarely, if ever, post on this site due to the fact that I will be condemned, scoffed at and ridiculed for what I may voice in print here.

But...
Morrissey is my hero for actually standing up to such an atrocity and taking action on it, instead of most of the human beings who are apathetic to practices that are blatently wrong, barbaric and archaic.

Instead of sitting back and saying "I cannot do anything about this" ~or~ even better yet "I am going to pretend it does not exist". Why not take action? Write your government? Protest? Stop eating seafood (the Canadian seafood industry is directly correlated with the seal hunt, since hunting baby seals is their "off season" job. Truly an ill thought, I know)

When people act it CAN make a difference, and I know it is not impossible. I have taken action before on issues and have seen it make a difference, change people's thinking and create change.

visit www.harpseals.org for more information

If you need assistance?
I would be happy to help

Kind Regards
~K

[*EqualOpportunityHater*]

I'm sorry, but Morrissey not playing for his Canadian fans will change absolutely nothing....

He's just punishing his loyal fans up there with this mentality... it accomplishes zero.

The Canadian government doesn't give a shit abut him not playing in their country, lets get real...



Instead of sitting back and saying "I cannot do anything about this" ~or~ even better yet "I am going to pretend it does not exist". Why not take action? Write your government? Protest? Stop eating seafood (the Canadian seafood industry is directly correlated with the seal hunt, since hunting baby seals is their "off season" job. Truly an ill thought, I know)

Moz should play for his fans and take a couple mins during the shows to talk (preach) to them about all this... it'd do more good than disappointing & angering them by skipping Canada again

Luv, EOH

[Dave]

He is becoming a thng of the past and being forgotten. He needs to get back to Canada because I can't justify putting $200.00 worth of carbon monoxide into the air. $2 bills gets me to the show and a hotel with a few m8s here in Toronto. He should use His Canadian seal hunt boycott as a platform for awareness. Make a statement.
Tell me what you think.
Peace

His boycott of Canada is helping to save lives.

[Disappointed]

...people in northern Canada make a living off the seal hunt?

I'm not here to debate whether the Canadian seal hunt is ethical or not. I don't eat or wear seal. I don't club seals and I've never wronged a seal - as far as I know.

What I do know is that I have been an avid fan of Moz for more than 20 years. I've bought his records, shirts and concert tickets time and time again. Now I'm being shut out because there's a seal hunt in Canada?

It's great to have conviction and to show one's support for a cause, but this is idiocy. Morrissey's Canadian fans are the only ones who'll suffer.

...besides the baby seal I'm gonna take this shit out on.

If you really want Morrissey to start touring your country again, then write your lawmakers about how much you hate the seal hunt, create and pass around petitions, stage protests and boycotts, etc. You, as a Canadian citizen, have much more power over this than I do, as an American citizen. You have the power to bring Morrissey back. I suggest that you exercise it.

[Chileiceman]

His not coming to Canada is the most hypocritical thing he has done. If he didn't agree with the Iraq war (hypothetically), he would still never boycott the US because that would be career suicide. He just picks on Canada, because he can still get by without us.

[Hellie]

I agree he shouldn't do Canada.

He said he wouldn't and he has stuck to it. It's called having principles.

Lots of fans have to travel long distances.Does he play Chile? or Cuba? or anywhere else you can think?

Save up your pennies or dollars and fly, book a hotel and wait eagerly for him to croak a few notes and leave the stage early to collapse in a flu like state.:rolleyes:...like the rest of us!!

[dizzywhore_1804]

Feels like tokenism to me.

Why stick to your principles when you can get by just sticking to the ones that suit you?

[vivaxhate]

Nothing has been accomplished by Morrissey not touring Canada in regards to the seal hunt. The only ones who have taken notice are moz fans.

My biggest problem with his boycott of my country is that it is selective. There are 5 countries that participate in the seal hunt: Morrissey still plays two of them: three dates in Russia and one in Norway. While some make the argument that the Canadian seal hunt is the largest of the 5-in 2007, the Canadian Department of Fisheries and Oceans (DFO) set the "total allowable catch" of harp seals at 270,000 per year. This number is, by comparison, smaller than the average number of animals killed for pelts on European fur farms every week. It simply doesn't make sense to just ignore our country and expect that to make a difference, and it certainly doesn't make sense to make exceptions with other countries.

Canada's biggest market for seal pelts is Norway. Not playing Oslo on June 20th would create more of an impact in my mind, considering norway participates in the hunt themselves, and fuels the demand for the canadian hunt.

But like I've said, playing a concert with the seal hunt as motive would create awareness to those who don't realize what's taking place. Press would report. Imagine in order to obtain a ticket you had to write a letter to the government voicing your disgust with the hunt?

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

really people, Morrissey cancels plenty of gigs for one reason or another :eek:
just pretend he was gonna do a gig in canada and did not show up :straightface:
at least Morrissey aint touring your tiny(in population) country for some "noble reason"
i mean Kiwis love Morrissey(those that know who he is), the planet, and they dont kill seals here!
but when is the last time Morrissey toured here?
just think about it, Morrissey does not tour a lot of places, because really, he cannot be bothered, its as simple as that :o

[CharlieHustle]

If you really want Morrissey to start touring your country again, then write your lawmakers about how much you hate the seal hunt, create and pass around petitions, stage protests and boycotts, etc. You, as a Canadian citizen, have much more power over this than I do, as an American citizen. You have the power to bring Morrissey back. I suggest that you exercise it.

I could care less if the new "fat Elvis" Mozzer and his weak band tour Canada. His record sales will show that other people agree with me. He's becoming a fucking cartoon. I am entitled to choose my own causes and I'm entitled to spend my hard earned dollars as I choose as well. I do thank you for your enlightened input though!

...and this bit?...

"You, as a Canadian citizen, have much more power over this than I do, as an American citizen. You have the power to bring Morrissey back. I suggest that you exercise it." - proves that you're basically an ignorant sack of shit where politics and due process are concerned, so I'd suggest you clam up. :D

[Vic Strangeways]

I don't find fair for him not visiting Canada and I also feel sorry for his fans.....and why? because they club seals? Petty, petty reason, it wasn't his fans who done it..... so why play in America? They killed millions of people, invaded countries for oil and I bet there are far worse things happening to animals in the US than in Canada, right?! I'm a fan but Morrissey pisses me off with his double standards and unprofessionalism, see Coachella and cancelled shows. Again, I'm a fan but I don't always have to be on his side.

*Edit* I've been a vegan for 15 years and not because of Morrissey. But me and other Vegans/ vegetarians agree that meat smells great and to have a hissy fit because of the smell, when he was supposed to do his job...yes, Coachella and any other concert is considered a JOB, not fair on the fans (and apparently he loves them, right?)

People have to realize that will always be meat eaters and to quote an old Fugazi song....

"Never mind what's been selling, it's what you're buying..."

[ForgetMe]

I wouldn't go as far as to say Morrissey had a "hissy fit" on stage. He expressed his feelings and at one point walked off stage and came back on shortly after. I actually really liked what he said. You don't usually hear more well known or famous people say things like that. And he isn't a robot that has to live up to some specific standard that everyone holds him to. If it's a job like you say it is, then it's a job that he can choose to quit anytime he likes or go about it anyway he wants, whether we really like it or not.

I also find it hypocritical that he would play the U.S. and not Canada. I wouldn't say that the clubbing of seals is much different than fur farming practices here or other places I'm sure he plays. But at the same time every vegan/vegetarian/human being is hypocritical. You've been vegan for fifteen years. That's awesome. I've been vegan for four. But I still drive in cars and ride bikes that have tires that use animal products in the production. I watch movies that use gelatin in the film. There are times where I probably eat vegetables that were grown on an industrial farm where many animals were killed. I may be going out on a limb here, but I bet you do as well. It's not about purity, but doing what makes the most sense and is reasonable. It is almost completely impossible to remove ourselves from this system that is so entrenched in the exploitation of animals, human and non human. We can't really do everything all at once. If this means that Morrissey decides to boycott Canada because he feels very strongly about the seal hunting that goes on there, then that's his thing. It sucks that he doesn't hold the same standard for other places, but does anyone? No one's perfect. Canada just seems to be more in the spotlight with seal hunting in comparison to other places such as in Europe.

[marred]

wankyone I agree with you.

His boycott of his fans does nowt for seals. He tours the USA constantly and it's government commits attrocities against humans all the time and if it's animals you want unharmed why not boycott the whole planet because of the meat industry? Couldn't he organise the ticket proceeds to go to helping the seals?

At least you have a reason for him not touring Canada. Here in Oz we just scratch our heads as the parade floats by wondering why we aren't invited.... although admittedly we do have terrible table manners :D

[Vic Strangeways]

I wouldn't go as far as to say Morrissey had a "hissy fit" on stage. He expressed his feelings and at one point walked off stage and came back on shortly after.

He was singing badly from the beginning and to leave the stage because of the smell of meat in my opinion that's unprofessional. He could have done what he did in the o2 festival over here, no meat was allowed to be served in the backstage and no meat was to be sold...otherwise he wouldn't play....he could have done the same in Coachella, right?


I actually really liked what he said. You don't usually hear more well known or famous people say things like that. And he isn't a robot that has to live up to some specific standard that everyone holds him to. If it's a job like you say it is, then it's a job that he can choose to quit anytime he likes or go about it anyway he wants, whether we really like it or not.

Well,even if Morrissey farted on the mic fans would applaud him.
Well, it is a job like I said...but if you quit your job you will get paid for the hours you worked....because people bought tickets before hand they won't get their money back because of his hissy fit. So it would a be a good idea to pay for tickets after the event....artist quits in the middle you pay for half ticket.


But at the same time every vegan/vegetarian/human being is hypocritical.

True. But if I smell meat at work I woudn't go home... but then again I love the smell, so...


You've been vegan for fifteen years. That's awesome.

Are you in awe beacause I've been a Vegan for 15 years? I'd understand you to be in awe if you've seen the face of God...but nevermind.


No one's perfect.

Again, you're right!

[Vic Strangeways]

wankyone I agree with you.

His boycott of his fans does nowt for seals. He tours the USA constantly and it's government commits attrocities against humans all the time and if it's animals you want unharmed why not boycott the whole planet because of the meat industry? Couldn't he organise the ticket proceeds to go to helping the seals?

Good idea!

[Because We Must]

Are you in awe beacause I've been a Vegan for 15 years? I'd understand you to be in awe if you've seen the face of God...but nevermind.

:lbf::lbf:

[ForgetMe]

He was singing badly from the beginning and to leave the stage because of the smell of meat in my opinion that's unprofessional. He could have done what he did in the o2 festival over here, no meat was allowed to be served in the backstage and no meat was to be sold...otherwise he wouldn't play....he could have done the same in Coachella, right?
I wish he did make them not serve meat, but maybe he couldn't and still wanted to play anyways. Of course he should of been expecting it, but he did what he did. I honestly didn't find his singing horrible and I still enjoyed myself despite all the Paul McCartney fans that were laughing at me and the huge gap between the stage etc etc. I still don't think what he did was a hissy fit or whatever. But, you have your opinions, I have mine.




Well,even if Morrissey farted on the mic fans would applaud him.
Well, it is a job like I said...but if you quit your job you will get paid for the hours you worked....because people bought tickets before hand they won't get their money back because of his hissy fit. So it would a be a good idea to pay for tickets after the event....artist quits in the middle you pay for half ticket.

Hahaha. I just like when people aren't afraid to say what they feel no matter where they are. Especially if it's about something I'm passionate about. I see what you are saying about the job thing and I would have been very disappointed if he left entirely because I did only go to see him and waited around for a good amount of time. I just don't find it that unprofessional to walk off stage, compose himself, get a new shirt on, which I think he ended up throwing into the crowd. Maybe he was planning on doing that the whole time. Who knows.




True. But if I smell meat at work I woudn't go home... but then again I love the smell, so...

There are times where I can say I enjoyed the smell of meat, but there are also times where I can remember completely detesting it and it making me sick. It's not crazy to think that some people may be more effected by it than others. No big deal in my opinion.



Are you in awe beacause I've been a Vegan for 15 years? I'd understand you to be in awe if you've seen the face of God...but nevermind.


Hahahaha. I couldn't believe my eyes! My jaw immediately dropped and I quickly got to my knees to worship you over the computer screen. Please, show me how you managed to do it! How can you eat only grass and dirt for so long? I don't think I can handle it anymore...

BecauseWeMust,
I just noticed your avatar and was curious to see if you have seen the new Enjoi video, Bag of Suck. I just got it and noticed the same picture on the inside cover of the dvd case.

[vivabob]

people lets get this in perspective , morrissey doesnt want to go to canada so he doesnt want to which is fair enough :head-smack::mock:

[marred]

people lets get this in perspective , morrissey doesnt want to go to canada so he doesnt want to which is fair enough :head-smack::mock:

Um that's not perspective.

[barenstank]

canadia is teh suk

[Vic Strangeways]

Please, show me how you managed to do it! How can you eat only grass and dirt for so long? I don't think I can handle it anymore...

Haha, you're so right, I can't stand it either....but I need to go easy...first fish, then chicken, then cheese and when I see that gorgeous stake in my plate I'm gonna be in awe! haha....now regarding Morrissey...I think I'm gonna have to quote Immortal Technique on this one...."If you don't like the smell of burning meat then get the fuck off the planet, I don't criticize people for eating moss..."

[anotherordinaryboy]

I like Canada. Morrissey doesn't. I can live with that...

[marred]

Haha, you're so right, I can't stand it either....but I need to go easy...first fish, then chicken, then cheese and when I see that gorgeous stake in my plate I'm gonna be in awe!

You eating wooden stakes like the kind we put vampires to sleep with? :)

[Vic Strangeways]

You eating wooden stakes like the kind we put vampires to sleep with? :)

No, Stake as in a Mormon territorial jurisdiction comprising a group of wards.