I'm upset with England right now.

[Scarlet Ibis]

Some random English person has once again gone out of his way to insult me because I'm fat. This wouldn't have happened in America.

I know I'll be attacked for this, but I'm fed up right now and I can't WAIT to get back to the U.S. Forget everything you've ever heard about the differences between Americans and the English. It's a load of crap!

I see it all the time on solo. The English often attack Americans on here. Well, you're wrong. No, two weeks in England doesn't make me an expert, but I think I have a pretty good overview.

Myth #1 - Americans are loud and obnoxious while English people are polite and speak in hushed tones.

HA! The English are LOUD! In the grocery stores here there are roaming gaggles of teens who laugh and talk and generally make mayhem. I've been in three grocery stores now (because my husband has a fascination with the strange foods here) and in two of these stores this has been the case.

Also, people talk on their cell phones ("fuckin' this" "fuckin' that") really loudly in public and they don't care who they annoy.

Myth #2 - Americans are coarse while the English are polite and genteel.

Would an American say "cunt" or "fuck" while having a loud public conversation? Not likely. Over here it doesn't get a second glance.

I've yet to meet anyone here that seems more polite than the average American. In fact, in America, if you catch someone's eye by accident, you'll usually smile and they'll smile and then you'll look away. Here, they just look away quickly. It seems rude to me.

Myth #3 - Americans have a crappy education system, but the English know what they're doing and turn out intelligent and fully educated people who know multiple languages and can do algebra easily.

I've seen more roving packs of barely intelligible low-class teens in the two weeks that I've been here than in months of being in D.C. And I used to live right in South East D.C!

I shopped in Camden and found myself around a lot of teens who seemed very middle class and average. They were every bit as juvenile and twitty as any random group of American teens. I was also around a lot of teens at the Boosh show. These teens were presumably a bit more intelligent than your average teen since their senses of humor must be fairly developed. Still, they seemed much like American teens.

Myth #4 - Americans are superficial and addicted to tabloid magazines, celebrity lives and the pursuit of physical beauty.

From what I have seen, England is entirely too wrapped up in such things. It doesn't compare. It's totally opposite to the myth. England is all about celebrities and other superficial things. The obsession with weight here is just insane. I thought it was bad in America, but here it's gone from an obsession to a neurosis. They can't stop talking about weight. (Meanwhile they are eating more candy than another other nation on earth while making fun of Americans for their piggishness.) I overheard two conversations while walking on one London block. The first conversation snippet I heard: She must have gained at least twenty since I last saw her! The second snippet from an entirely different conversation: ...been gaining weight and...

Myth #5 - Americans are arrogant.

This one would be funny if I was in any kind of mood to find it humorous at all. What's more arrogant than proclaiming yourselves better than an entire country just based on hearsay and steretypes? English people do this all the time. (I'm sure lots of solo archives could be wrangled up if someone were in the mood to do so.) America is fascinated with the rest of the world. We love nothing more than to encounter someone with a foreign accent. Especially an English accent. We've always loved the English and we've always been good to the English.

Myth #6 - Americans are bullies.

I'm finding the opposite to be true. I'm not having a good time here anymore and it's all because I'm terrified of being insulted once again. In America it's not acceptable to be mean to random people on the street. It doesn't happen that often. Once in a while it will, but not enough that you have to live in fear of it if you're fat (or outside the norm in any other way).

Myth # 7 - Americans are fat because they are lazy and eat huge portions of fast food and sweets.

Oh. My. God. We might be a little fatter than the English, but it has very little to do with these things. Pub food is basically fried dough with sausages thrown in there somewhere. The portions are every bit as large as American portions, by the way. Yes, there are a few chain restaurants who will give you outrageously enormous portions, but this isn't the norm and it's often a gimmick. Also, when served these huge portions we eat a bit of it and then take the rest home with us for lunch the next day. We're not idiots who will eat everything that's put in front of us anymore than you are.

The candy is everywhere. I've found it difficult to get a healthy meal while here. The only way I can eat healthy here is to go to vegetarian/organic restaurants or the grocery store and buy prepackaged sandwiches and salads, which do seem fairly healthy and nutritious.

Don't start with me about my fat. I have horrible medical issues that you know nothing about and that will kill me one day and this (and the treatments for my disorders) are what has made this so. I eat the diet of a near-anorexic, so don't EVEN start with me.

PLUS, on average, you all drink WAYYYYY more than we Americans do. Somehow that kind of gluttony is acceptable since it doesn't always manifest in having extra flesh.

So, yeah. I'm disgusted at the moment. I've felt very unwelcome here. There are some wonderful things about England, but not enough to make up for the unpleasantness I've had to deal with here. This has been an eye-opener.

I apologize to my English friends. I don't include you in this at all. I'm just very upset right now and I needed to type this up while I'm still feeling angry. There is a nasty segment of every population, I've found. All my life I have assumed that English people are partly right for criticizing America. I'm not at all happy with America at the moment and I was likely to join in with the anger-fest, but not anymore. America is the world's scapegoat at the moment. I'm really tired of it.

[Ready With Ready-Wit]

Some random English person has once again gone out of his way to insult me because I'm fat. This wouldn't have happened in America.

I know I'll be attacked for this, but I'm fed up right now and I can't WAIT to get back to the U.S. Forget everything you've ever heard about the differences between Americans and the English. It's a load of crap!

I see it all the time on solo. The English often attack Americans on here. Well, you're wrong. No, two weeks in England doesn't make me an expert, but I think I have a pretty good overview.

Myth #1 - Americans are loud and obnoxious while English people are polite and speak in hushed tones.

HA! The English are LOUD! In the grocery stores here there are roaming gaggles of teens who laugh and talk and generally make mayhem. I've been in three grocery stores now (because my husband has a fascination with the strange foods here) and in two of these stores this has been the case.

Also, people talk on their cell phones ("fuckin' this" "fuckin' that") really loudly in public and they don't care who they annoy.

Myth #2 - Americans are coarse while the English are polite and genteel.

Would an American say "cunt" or "fuck" while having a loud public conversation? Not likely. Over here it doesn't get a second glance.

I've yet to meet anyone here that seems more polite than the average American. In fact, in America, if you catch someone's eye by accident, you'll usually smile and they'll smile and then you'll look away. Here, they just look away quickly. It seems rude to me.

Myth #3 - Americans have a crappy education system, but the English know what they're doing and turn out intelligent and fully educated people who know multiple languages and can do algebra easily.

I've seen more roving packs of barely intelligible low-class teens in the two weeks that I've been here than in months of being in D.C. And I used to live right in South East D.C!

I shopped in Camden and found myself around a lot of teens who seemed very middle class and average. They were every bit as juvenile and twitty as any random group of American teens. I was also around a lot of teens at the Boosh show. These teens were presumably a bit more intelligent than your average teen since their senses of humor must be fairly developed. Still, they seemed much like American teens.

Myth #4 - Americans are superficial and addicted to tabloid magazines, celebrity lives and the pursuit of physical beauty.

From what I have seen, England is entirely too wrapped up in such things. It doesn't compare. It's totally opposite to the myth. England is all about celebrities and other superficial things. The obsession with weight here is just insane. I thought it was bad in America, but here it's gone from an obsession to a neurosis. They can't stop talking about weight. (Meanwhile they are eating more candy than another other nation on earth while making fun of Americans for their piggishness.) I overheard two conversations while walking on one London block. The first conversation snippet I heard: She must have gained at least twenty since I last saw her! The second snippet from an entirely different conversation: ...been gaining weight and...

Myth #5 - Americans are arrogant.

This one would be funny if I was in any kind of mood to find it humorous at all. What's more arrogant than proclaiming yourselves better than an entire country just based on hearsay and steretypes? English people do this all the time. (I'm sure lots of solo archives could be wrangled up if someone were in the mood to do so.) America is fascinated with the rest of the world. We love nothing more than to encounter someone with a foreign accent. Especially an English accent. We've always loved the English and we've always been good to the English.

Myth #6 - Americans are bullies.

I'm finding the opposite to be true. I'm not having a good time here anymore and it's all because I'm terrified of being insulted once again. In America it's not acceptable to be mean to random people on the street. It doesn't happen that often. Once in a while it will, but not enough that you have to live in fear of it if you're fat (or outside the norm in any other way).

Myth # 7 - Americans are fat because they are lazy and eat huge portions of fast food and sweets.

Oh. My. God. We might be a little fatter than the English, but it has very little to do with these things. Pub food is basically fried dough with sausages thrown in there somewhere. The portions are every bit as large as American portions, by the way. Yes, there are a few chain restaurants who will give you outrageously enormous portions, but this isn't the norm and it's often a gimmick. Also, when served these huge portions we eat a bit of it and then take the rest home with us for lunch the next day. We're not idiots who will eat everything that's put in front of us anymore than you are.

The candy is everywhere. I've found it difficult to get a healthy meal while here. The only way I can eat healthy here is to go to vegetarian/organic restaurants or the grocery store and buy prepackaged sandwiches and salads, which do seem fairly healthy and nutritious.

Don't start with me about my fat. I have horrible medical issues that you know nothing about and that will kill me one day and this (and the treatments for my disorders) are what has made this so. I eat the diet of a near-anorexic, so don't EVEN start with me.

PLUS, on average, you all drink WAYYYYY more than we Americans do. Somehow that kind of gluttony is acceptable since it doesn't always manifest in having extra flesh.

So, yeah. I'm disgusted at the moment. I've felt very unwelcome here. There are some wonderful things about England, but not enough to make up for the unpleasantness I've had to deal with here. This has been an eye-opener.

I apologize to my English friends. I don't include you in this at all. I'm just very upset right now and I needed to type this up while I'm still feeling angry. There is a nasty segment of every population, I've found. All my life I have assumed that English people are partly right for criticizing America. I'm not at all happy with America at the moment and I was likely to join in with the anger-fest, but not anymore. America is the world's scapegoat at the moment. I'm really tired of it.

Bravo! Well said.

Sorry you had to go through that.:(

[Uncleskinny]

When I see your picture, I don't see fat, I see a damn good looking lady.

We're not all nasty over here.

I'll get a beer and say cheers for you.;)

Peter

[sweet and tender hooligan]

Some random English person has once again gone out of his way to insult me because I'm fat. This wouldn't have happened in America.

I know I'll be attacked for this, but I'm fed up right now and I can't WAIT to get back to the U.S. Forget everything you've ever heard about the differences between Americans and the English. It's a load of crap!

I see it all the time on solo. The English often attack Americans on here. Well, you're wrong. No, two weeks in England doesn't make me an expert, but I think I have a pretty good overview.

Myth #1 - Americans are loud and obnoxious while English people are polite and speak in hushed tones.

HA! The English are LOUD! In the grocery stores here there are roaming gaggles of teens who laugh and talk and generally make mayhem. I've been in three grocery stores now (because my husband has a fascination with the strange foods here) and in two of these stores this has been the case.

Also, people talk on their cell phones ("fuckin' this" "fuckin' that") really loudly in public and they don't care who they annoy.

Myth #2 - Americans are coarse while the English are polite and genteel.

Would an American say "cunt" or "fuck" while having a loud public conversation? Not likely. Over here it doesn't get a second glance.

I've yet to meet anyone here that seems more polite than the average American. In fact, in America, if you catch someone's eye by accident, you'll usually smile and they'll smile and then you'll look away. Here, they just look away quickly. It seems rude to me.

Myth #3 - Americans have a crappy education system, but the English know what they're doing and turn out intelligent and fully educated people who know multiple languages and can do algebra easily.

I've seen more roving packs of barely intelligible low-class teens in the two weeks that I've been here than in months of being in D.C. And I used to live right in South East D.C!

I shopped in Camden and found myself around a lot of teens who seemed very middle class and average. They were every bit as juvenile and twitty as any random group of American teens. I was also around a lot of teens at the Boosh show. These teens were presumably a bit more intelligent than your average teen since their senses of humor must be fairly developed. Still, they seemed much like American teens.

Myth #4 - Americans are superficial and addicted to tabloid magazines, celebrity lives and the pursuit of physical beauty.

From what I have seen, England is entirely too wrapped up in such things. It doesn't compare. It's totally opposite to the myth. England is all about celebrities and other superficial things. The obsession with weight here is just insane. I thought it was bad in America, but here it's gone from an obsession to a neurosis. They can't stop talking about weight. (Meanwhile they are eating more candy than another other nation on earth while making fun of Americans for their piggishness.) I overheard two conversations while walking on one London block. The first conversation snippet I heard: She must have gained at least twenty since I last saw her! The second snippet from an entirely different conversation: ...been gaining weight and...

Myth #5 - Americans are arrogant.

This one would be funny if I was in any kind of mood to find it humorous at all. What's more arrogant than proclaiming yourselves better than an entire country just based on hearsay and steretypes? English people do this all the time. (I'm sure lots of solo archives could be wrangled up if someone were in the mood to do so.) America is fascinated with the rest of the world. We love nothing more than to encounter someone with a foreign accent. Especially an English accent. We've always loved the English and we've always been good to the English.

Myth #6 - Americans are bullies.

I'm finding the opposite to be true. I'm not having a good time here anymore and it's all because I'm terrified of being insulted once again. In America it's not acceptable to be mean to random people on the street. It doesn't happen that often. Once in a while it will, but not enough that you have to live in fear of it if you're fat (or outside the norm in any other way).

Myth # 7 - Americans are fat because they are lazy and eat huge portions of fast food and sweets.

Oh. My. God. We might be a little fatter than the English, but it has very little to do with these things. Pub food is basically fried dough with sausages thrown in there somewhere. The portions are every bit as large as American portions, by the way. Yes, there are a few chain restaurants who will give you outrageously enormous portions, but this isn't the norm and it's often a gimmick. Also, when served these huge portions we eat a bit of it and then take the rest home with us for lunch the next day. We're not idiots who will eat everything that's put in front of us anymore than you are.

The candy is everywhere. I've found it difficult to get a healthy meal while here. The only way I can eat healthy here is to go to vegetarian/organic restaurants or the grocery store and buy prepackaged sandwiches and salads, which do seem fairly healthy and nutritious.

Don't start with me about my fat. I have horrible medical issues that you know nothing about and that will kill me one day and this (and the treatments for my disorders) are what has made this so. I eat the diet of a near-anorexic, so don't EVEN start with me.

PLUS, on average, you all drink WAYYYYY more than we Americans do. Somehow that kind of gluttony is acceptable since it doesn't always manifest in having extra flesh.

So, yeah. I'm disgusted at the moment. I've felt very unwelcome here. There are some wonderful things about England, but not enough to make up for the unpleasantness I've had to deal with here. This has been an eye-opener.

I apologize to my English friends. I don't include you in this at all. I'm just very upset right now and I needed to type this up while I'm still feeling angry. There is a nasty segment of every population, I've found. All my life I have assumed that English people are partly right for criticizing America. I'm not at all happy with America at the moment and I was likely to join in with the anger-fest, but not anymore. America is the world's scapegoat at the moment. I'm really tired of it.

*Hugs*

:( It's ashame you feel this way about here. Sadly the majority of poeple are horrible, rude crude etc. Crashing bores.

I hope these people didn't ruin your trip .

[lottie]

Some random English person has once again gone out of his way to insult me because I'm fat. This wouldn't have happened in America.

I know I'll be attacked for this, but I'm fed up right now and I can't WAIT to get back to the U.S. Forget everything you've ever heard about the differences between Americans and the English. It's a load of crap!

I see it all the time on solo. The English often attack Americans on here. Well, you're wrong. No, two weeks in England doesn't make me an expert, but I think I have a pretty good overview.

Myth #1 - Americans are loud and obnoxious while English people are polite and speak in hushed tones.

HA! The English are LOUD! In the grocery stores here there are roaming gaggles of teens who laugh and talk and generally make mayhem. I've been in three grocery stores now (because my husband has a fascination with the strange foods here) and in two of these stores this has been the case.

Also, people talk on their cell phones ("fuckin' this" "fuckin' that") really loudly in public and they don't care who they annoy.

Myth #2 - Americans are coarse while the English are polite and genteel.

Would an American say "cunt" or "fuck" while having a loud public conversation? Not likely. Over here it doesn't get a second glance.

I've yet to meet anyone here that seems more polite than the average American. In fact, in America, if you catch someone's eye by accident, you'll usually smile and they'll smile and then you'll look away. Here, they just look away quickly. It seems rude to me.

Myth #3 - Americans have a crappy education system, but the English know what they're doing and turn out intelligent and fully educated people who know multiple languages and can do algebra easily.

I've seen more roving packs of barely intelligible low-class teens in the two weeks that I've been here than in months of being in D.C. And I used to live right in South East D.C!

I shopped in Camden and found myself around a lot of teens who seemed very middle class and average. They were every bit as juvenile and twitty as any random group of American teens. I was also around a lot of teens at the Boosh show. These teens were presumably a bit more intelligent than your average teen since their senses of humor must be fairly developed. Still, they seemed much like American teens.

Myth #4 - Americans are superficial and addicted to tabloid magazines, celebrity lives and the pursuit of physical beauty.

From what I have seen, England is entirely too wrapped up in such things. It doesn't compare. It's totally opposite to the myth. England is all about celebrities and other superficial things. The obsession with weight here is just insane. I thought it was bad in America, but here it's gone from an obsession to a neurosis. They can't stop talking about weight. (Meanwhile they are eating more candy than another other nation on earth while making fun of Americans for their piggishness.) I overheard two conversations while walking on one London block. The first conversation snippet I heard: She must have gained at least twenty since I last saw her! The second snippet from an entirely different conversation: ...been gaining weight and...

Myth #5 - Americans are arrogant.

This one would be funny if I was in any kind of mood to find it humorous at all. What's more arrogant than proclaiming yourselves better than an entire country just based on hearsay and steretypes? English people do this all the time. (I'm sure lots of solo archives could be wrangled up if someone were in the mood to do so.) America is fascinated with the rest of the world. We love nothing more than to encounter someone with a foreign accent. Especially an English accent. We've always loved the English and we've always been good to the English.

Myth #6 - Americans are bullies.

I'm finding the opposite to be true. I'm not having a good time here anymore and it's all because I'm terrified of being insulted once again. In America it's not acceptable to be mean to random people on the street. It doesn't happen that often. Once in a while it will, but not enough that you have to live in fear of it if you're fat (or outside the norm in any other way).

Myth # 7 - Americans are fat because they are lazy and eat huge portions of fast food and sweets.

Oh. My. God. We might be a little fatter than the English, but it has very little to do with these things. Pub food is basically fried dough with sausages thrown in there somewhere. The portions are every bit as large as American portions, by the way. Yes, there are a few chain restaurants who will give you outrageously enormous portions, but this isn't the norm and it's often a gimmick. Also, when served these huge portions we eat a bit of it and then take the rest home with us for lunch the next day. We're not idiots who will eat everything that's put in front of us anymore than you are.

The candy is everywhere. I've found it difficult to get a healthy meal while here. The only way I can eat healthy here is to go to vegetarian/organic restaurants or the grocery store and buy prepackaged sandwiches and salads, which do seem fairly healthy and nutritious.

Don't start with me about my fat. I have horrible medical issues that you know nothing about and that will kill me one day and this (and the treatments for my disorders) are what has made this so. I eat the diet of a near-anorexic, so don't EVEN start with me.

PLUS, on average, you all drink WAYYYYY more than we Americans do. Somehow that kind of gluttony is acceptable since it doesn't always manifest in having extra flesh.

So, yeah. I'm disgusted at the moment. I've felt very unwelcome here. There are some wonderful things about England, but not enough to make up for the unpleasantness I've had to deal with here. This has been an eye-opener.

I apologize to my English friends. I don't include you in this at all. I'm just very upset right now and I needed to type this up while I'm still feeling angry. There is a nasty segment of every population, I've found. All my life I have assumed that English people are partly right for criticizing America. I'm not at all happy with America at the moment and I was likely to join in with the anger-fest, but not anymore. America is the world's scapegoat at the moment. I'm really tired of it.

ok, that was a totally justified and pretty accurate rant, so sad that you've let some mindless idiots spoil your trip, i thought you were better/stronger than that. :(

[Scarlet Ibis]

ok, that was a totally justified and pretty accurate rant, so sad that you've let some mindless idiots spoil your trip, i thought you were better/stronger than that. :(

No, I'm not. Not at all. And if I were I would be a hardass... and I don't want that for myself.

[mozzette]

You get pro's and con's everywhere. You ain't been up north, we're all nice up here :D (I don't class Manchester as north, it's midlands to me ;))
I'm glad I live nearer Scotland (some say IN Scotland :rolleyes:) than I do London.

Sorry your not having the best time, I hated it when I went there :(

[HIM]

Some random English person has once again gone out of his way to insult me because I'm fat. This wouldn't have happened in America.

I know I'll be attacked for this, but I'm fed up right now and I can't WAIT to get back to the U.S. Forget everything you've ever heard about the differences between Americans and the English. It's a load of crap!

I see it all the time on solo. The English often attack Americans on here. Well, you're wrong. No, two weeks in England doesn't make me an expert, but I think I have a pretty good overview.

Myth #1 - Americans are loud and obnoxious while English people are polite and speak in hushed tones.

HA! The English are LOUD! In the grocery stores here there are roaming gaggles of teens who laugh and talk and generally make mayhem. I've been in three grocery stores now (because my husband has a fascination with the strange foods here) and in two of these stores this has been the case.

Also, people talk on their cell phones ("fuckin' this" "fuckin' that") really loudly in public and they don't care who they annoy.

Myth #2 - Americans are coarse while the English are polite and genteel.

Would an American say "cunt" or "fuck" while having a loud public conversation? Not likely. Over here it doesn't get a second glance.

I've yet to meet anyone here that seems more polite than the average American. In fact, in America, if you catch someone's eye by accident, you'll usually smile and they'll smile and then you'll look away. Here, they just look away quickly. It seems rude to me.

Myth #3 - Americans have a crappy education system, but the English know what they're doing and turn out intelligent and fully educated people who know multiple languages and can do algebra easily.

I've seen more roving packs of barely intelligible low-class teens in the two weeks that I've been here than in months of being in D.C. And I used to live right in South East D.C!

I shopped in Camden and found myself around a lot of teens who seemed very middle class and average. They were every bit as juvenile and twitty as any random group of American teens. I was also around a lot of teens at the Boosh show. These teens were presumably a bit more intelligent than your average teen since their senses of humor must be fairly developed. Still, they seemed much like American teens.

Myth #4 - Americans are superficial and addicted to tabloid magazines, celebrity lives and the pursuit of physical beauty.

From what I have seen, England is entirely too wrapped up in such things. It doesn't compare. It's totally opposite to the myth. England is all about celebrities and other superficial things. The obsession with weight here is just insane. I thought it was bad in America, but here it's gone from an obsession to a neurosis. They can't stop talking about weight. (Meanwhile they are eating more candy than another other nation on earth while making fun of Americans for their piggishness.) I overheard two conversations while walking on one London block. The first conversation snippet I heard: She must have gained at least twenty since I last saw her! The second snippet from an entirely different conversation: ...been gaining weight and...

Myth #5 - Americans are arrogant.

This one would be funny if I was in any kind of mood to find it humorous at all. What's more arrogant than proclaiming yourselves better than an entire country just based on hearsay and steretypes? English people do this all the time. (I'm sure lots of solo archives could be wrangled up if someone were in the mood to do so.) America is fascinated with the rest of the world. We love nothing more than to encounter someone with a foreign accent. Especially an English accent. We've always loved the English and we've always been good to the English.

Myth #6 - Americans are bullies.

I'm finding the opposite to be true. I'm not having a good time here anymore and it's all because I'm terrified of being insulted once again. In America it's not acceptable to be mean to random people on the street. It doesn't happen that often. Once in a while it will, but not enough that you have to live in fear of it if you're fat (or outside the norm in any other way).

Myth # 7 - Americans are fat because they are lazy and eat huge portions of fast food and sweets.

Oh. My. God. We might be a little fatter than the English, but it has very little to do with these things. Pub food is basically fried dough with sausages thrown in there somewhere. The portions are every bit as large as American portions, by the way. Yes, there are a few chain restaurants who will give you outrageously enormous portions, but this isn't the norm and it's often a gimmick. Also, when served these huge portions we eat a bit of it and then take the rest home with us for lunch the next day. We're not idiots who will eat everything that's put in front of us anymore than you are.

The candy is everywhere. I've found it difficult to get a healthy meal while here. The only way I can eat healthy here is to go to vegetarian/organic restaurants or the grocery store and buy prepackaged sandwiches and salads, which do seem fairly healthy and nutritious.

Don't start with me about my fat. I have horrible medical issues that you know nothing about and that will kill me one day and this (and the treatments for my disorders) are what has made this so. I eat the diet of a near-anorexic, so don't EVEN start with me.

PLUS, on average, you all drink WAYYYYY more than we Americans do. Somehow that kind of gluttony is acceptable since it doesn't always manifest in having extra flesh.

So, yeah. I'm disgusted at the moment. I've felt very unwelcome here. There are some wonderful things about England, but not enough to make up for the unpleasantness I've had to deal with here. This has been an eye-opener.

I apologize to my English friends. I don't include you in this at all. I'm just very upset right now and I needed to type this up while I'm still feeling angry. There is a nasty segment of every population, I've found. All my life I have assumed that English people are partly right for criticizing America. I'm not at all happy with America at the moment and I was likely to join in with the anger-fest, but not anymore. America is the world's scapegoat at the moment. I'm really tired of it.

shut up, fatso.

[Scarlet Ibis]

*Hugs*

:( It's ashame you feel this way about here. Sadly the majority of poeple are horrible, rude crude etc. Crashing bores.

I hope these people didn't ruin your trip .

They kinda did. We'll see how it settles into my mind, but right now I'm feeling really sad and really angry.

I don't include you in this. I don't include any of you who have been dear to me on solo. I promise.

[Amy]

Some random English person has once again gone out of his way to insult me because I'm fat. This wouldn't have happened in America.

I know I'll be attacked for this, but I'm fed up right now and I can't WAIT to get back to the U.S. Forget everything you've ever heard about the differences between Americans and the English. It's a load of crap!

I see it all the time on solo. The English often attack Americans on here. Well, you're wrong. No, two weeks in England doesn't make me an expert, but I think I have a pretty good overview.

Myth #1 - Americans are loud and obnoxious while English people are polite and speak in hushed tones.

HA! The English are LOUD! In the grocery stores here there are roaming gaggles of teens who laugh and talk and generally make mayhem. I've been in three grocery stores now (because my husband has a fascination with the strange foods here) and in two of these stores this has been the case.

Also, people talk on their cell phones ("fuckin' this" "fuckin' that") really loudly in public and they don't care who they annoy.

Myth #2 - Americans are coarse while the English are polite and genteel.

Would an American say "cunt" or "fuck" while having a loud public conversation? Not likely. Over here it doesn't get a second glance.

I've yet to meet anyone here that seems more polite than the average American. In fact, in America, if you catch someone's eye by accident, you'll usually smile and they'll smile and then you'll look away. Here, they just look away quickly. It seems rude to me.

Myth #3 - Americans have a crappy education system, but the English know what they're doing and turn out intelligent and fully educated people who know multiple languages and can do algebra easily.

I've seen more roving packs of barely intelligible low-class teens in the two weeks that I've been here than in months of being in D.C. And I used to live right in South East D.C!

I shopped in Camden and found myself around a lot of teens who seemed very middle class and average. They were every bit as juvenile and twitty as any random group of American teens. I was also around a lot of teens at the Boosh show. These teens were presumably a bit more intelligent than your average teen since their senses of humor must be fairly developed. Still, they seemed much like American teens.

Myth #4 - Americans are superficial and addicted to tabloid magazines, celebrity lives and the pursuit of physical beauty.

From what I have seen, England is entirely too wrapped up in such things. It doesn't compare. It's totally opposite to the myth. England is all about celebrities and other superficial things. The obsession with weight here is just insane. I thought it was bad in America, but here it's gone from an obsession to a neurosis. They can't stop talking about weight. (Meanwhile they are eating more candy than another other nation on earth while making fun of Americans for their piggishness.) I overheard two conversations while walking on one London block. The first conversation snippet I heard: She must have gained at least twenty since I last saw her! The second snippet from an entirely different conversation: ...been gaining weight and...

Myth #5 - Americans are arrogant.

This one would be funny if I was in any kind of mood to find it humorous at all. What's more arrogant than proclaiming yourselves better than an entire country just based on hearsay and steretypes? English people do this all the time. (I'm sure lots of solo archives could be wrangled up if someone were in the mood to do so.) America is fascinated with the rest of the world. We love nothing more than to encounter someone with a foreign accent. Especially an English accent. We've always loved the English and we've always been good to the English.

Myth #6 - Americans are bullies.

I'm finding the opposite to be true. I'm not having a good time here anymore and it's all because I'm terrified of being insulted once again. In America it's not acceptable to be mean to random people on the street. It doesn't happen that often. Once in a while it will, but not enough that you have to live in fear of it if you're fat (or outside the norm in any other way).

Myth # 7 - Americans are fat because they are lazy and eat huge portions of fast food and sweets.

Oh. My. God. We might be a little fatter than the English, but it has very little to do with these things. Pub food is basically fried dough with sausages thrown in there somewhere. The portions are every bit as large as American portions, by the way. Yes, there are a few chain restaurants who will give you outrageously enormous portions, but this isn't the norm and it's often a gimmick. Also, when served these huge portions we eat a bit of it and then take the rest home with us for lunch the next day. We're not idiots who will eat everything that's put in front of us anymore than you are.

The candy is everywhere. I've found it difficult to get a healthy meal while here. The only way I can eat healthy here is to go to vegetarian/organic restaurants or the grocery store and buy prepackaged sandwiches and salads, which do seem fairly healthy and nutritious.

Don't start with me about my fat. I have horrible medical issues that you know nothing about and that will kill me one day and this (and the treatments for my disorders) are what has made this so. I eat the diet of a near-anorexic, so don't EVEN start with me.

PLUS, on average, you all drink WAYYYYY more than we Americans do. Somehow that kind of gluttony is acceptable since it doesn't always manifest in having extra flesh.

So, yeah. I'm disgusted at the moment. I've felt very unwelcome here. There are some wonderful things about England, but not enough to make up for the unpleasantness I've had to deal with here. This has been an eye-opener.

I apologize to my English friends. I don't include you in this at all. I'm just very upset right now and I needed to type this up while I'm still feeling angry. There is a nasty segment of every population, I've found. All my life I have assumed that English people are partly right for criticizing America. I'm not at all happy with America at the moment and I was likely to join in with the anger-fest, but not anymore. America is the world's scapegoat at the moment. I'm really tired of it.

Most of your pre-conceived notions of British people are stereotypes based on books and films that have little if anything to do with real life. Society often has a hostile attitude to people who are different, fat people are often included in that category. Its wrong, but it happens in EVERY country, including your own, so please take your self-righteous prattle back to the US and stop taking everything so seriously. :rolleyes:

[IDon'tOweYouAnything23]

I'm sorry to hear you've had such a bad experience over here :(

We're not all like that I promise :)

[Scarlet Ibis]

When I see your picture, I don't see fat, I see a damn good looking lady.

We're not all nasty over here.

I'll get a beer and say cheers for you.;)

Peter

Thank you, dearie. You've always been polite, sweet, gentlemanly and kind in all ways. I know it's not all of you. It's just that it's enough of you that it's made me upset. :[

*hug*

[sweet and tender hooligan]

They kinda did. We'll see how it settles into my mind, but right now I'm feeling really sad and really angry.

I don't include you in this. I don't include any of you who have been dear to me on solo. I promise.

I am sorry to hear that:(.

[Hellie]

Correct me if i'm wrong but you are judging an entire country and its people based on a visit to two of its cities.That's like me going to the deep south or whever it is in America you hoard all your religious nuts and tarnishing them with all the same brush.

Our inner cities are full of swearing loud mouthed teenagers but as I've said before London is not the world...or England.

Your comments are very narrow minded.I'm sure all societies have their good and bad but you should travel further afield before insulting an entire country.

[Scarlet Ibis]

Most of your pre-conceived notions of British people are stereotypes based on books and films that have little if anything to do with real life. Society often has a hostile attitude to people who are different, fat people are often included in that category. Its wrong, but it happens in EVERY country, including your own, so please take your self-righteous prattle back to the US and stop taking everything so seriously. :rolleyes:

My pre-conceived notions of British people WERE stereotypes based on books and films that have anything to do with real life! You are correct. And those erroneous stereotypes were that most you were the best and most interesting people on the planet.

Yes, I am taking myself back to the U.S. Yes I am.

[Amy]

What's more arrogant than proclaiming yourselves better than an entire country just based on hearsay and steretypes?


Which is exactly what you've just done.

[mozzette]

I forgot to say being called fat is really tame...I've been called much worse but I think, in England we're all so used to it. Rather sad but true. I just laugh it off.

[Amy]

My pre-conceived notions of British people WERE stereotypes based on books and films that have anything to do with real life! You are correct. And those erroneous stereotypes were that most you were the best and most interesting people on the planet.
Yes, I am taking myself back to the U.S. Yes I am.

No, they weren't. You came to England expecting it to be a nation of foppish, genteel Hugh Grant clones, tea and cakes and polite pitter-patter, a would-be Morrissey on every corner, and you were disappointed :rolleyes:

[oye terence]

there are assholes everywhere, if one can't handle it i would say not to go anywhere.or maybe bora bora,they seem nice there.

[Arsenal]

Some random English person has once again gone out of his way to insult me because I'm fat. This wouldn't have happened in America.

Of course not, it's the fattest country in the world. And besides, nobody in America has every insulted anyone for being fat. Ever.

[MunchyBrain]

Some random English person has once again gone out of his way to insult me because I'm fat. This wouldn't have happened in America.

I know I'll be attacked for this, but I'm fed up right now and I can't WAIT to get back to the U.S. Forget everything you've ever heard about the differences between Americans and the English. It's a load of crap!

I see it all the time on solo. The English often attack Americans on here. Well, you're wrong. No, two weeks in England doesn't make me an expert, but I think I have a pretty good overview.

Myth #1 - Americans are loud and obnoxious while English people are polite and speak in hushed tones.

HA! The English are LOUD! In the grocery stores here there are roaming gaggles of teens who laugh and talk and generally make mayhem. I've been in three grocery stores now (because my husband has a fascination with the strange foods here) and in two of these stores this has been the case.

Also, people talk on their cell phones ("fuckin' this" "fuckin' that") really loudly in public and they don't care who they annoy.

Myth #2 - Americans are coarse while the English are polite and genteel.

Would an American say "cunt" or "fuck" while having a loud public conversation? Not likely. Over here it doesn't get a second glance.

I've yet to meet anyone here that seems more polite than the average American. In fact, in America, if you catch someone's eye by accident, you'll usually smile and they'll smile and then you'll look away. Here, they just look away quickly. It seems rude to me.

Myth #3 - Americans have a crappy education system, but the English know what they're doing and turn out intelligent and fully educated people who know multiple languages and can do algebra easily.

I've seen more roving packs of barely intelligible low-class teens in the two weeks that I've been here than in months of being in D.C. And I used to live right in South East D.C!

I shopped in Camden and found myself around a lot of teens who seemed very middle class and average. They were every bit as juvenile and twitty as any random group of American teens. I was also around a lot of teens at the Boosh show. These teens were presumably a bit more intelligent than your average teen since their senses of humor must be fairly developed. Still, they seemed much like American teens.

Myth #4 - Americans are superficial and addicted to tabloid magazines, celebrity lives and the pursuit of physical beauty.

From what I have seen, England is entirely too wrapped up in such things. It doesn't compare. It's totally opposite to the myth. England is all about celebrities and other superficial things. The obsession with weight here is just insane. I thought it was bad in America, but here it's gone from an obsession to a neurosis. They can't stop talking about weight. (Meanwhile they are eating more candy than another other nation on earth while making fun of Americans for their piggishness.) I overheard two conversations while walking on one London block. The first conversation snippet I heard: She must have gained at least twenty since I last saw her! The second snippet from an entirely different conversation: ...been gaining weight and...

Myth #5 - Americans are arrogant.

This one would be funny if I was in any kind of mood to find it humorous at all. What's more arrogant than proclaiming yourselves better than an entire country just based on hearsay and steretypes? English people do this all the time. (I'm sure lots of solo archives could be wrangled up if someone were in the mood to do so.) America is fascinated with the rest of the world. We love nothing more than to encounter someone with a foreign accent. Especially an English accent. We've always loved the English and we've always been good to the English.

Myth #6 - Americans are bullies.

I'm finding the opposite to be true. I'm not having a good time here anymore and it's all because I'm terrified of being insulted once again. In America it's not acceptable to be mean to random people on the street. It doesn't happen that often. Once in a while it will, but not enough that you have to live in fear of it if you're fat (or outside the norm in any other way).

Myth # 7 - Americans are fat because they are lazy and eat huge portions of fast food and sweets.

Oh. My. God. We might be a little fatter than the English, but it has very little to do with these things. Pub food is basically fried dough with sausages thrown in there somewhere. The portions are every bit as large as American portions, by the way. Yes, there are a few chain restaurants who will give you outrageously enormous portions, but this isn't the norm and it's often a gimmick. Also, when served these huge portions we eat a bit of it and then take the rest home with us for lunch the next day. We're not idiots who will eat everything that's put in front of us anymore than you are.

The candy is everywhere. I've found it difficult to get a healthy meal while here. The only way I can eat healthy here is to go to vegetarian/organic restaurants or the grocery store and buy prepackaged sandwiches and salads, which do seem fairly healthy and nutritious.

Don't start with me about my fat. I have horrible medical issues that you know nothing about and that will kill me one day and this (and the treatments for my disorders) are what has made this so. I eat the diet of a near-anorexic, so don't EVEN start with me.

PLUS, on average, you all drink WAYYYYY more than we Americans do. Somehow that kind of gluttony is acceptable since it doesn't always manifest in having extra flesh.

So, yeah. I'm disgusted at the moment. I've felt very unwelcome here. There are some wonderful things about England, but not enough to make up for the unpleasantness I've had to deal with here. This has been an eye-opener.

I apologize to my English friends. I don't include you in this at all. I'm just very upset right now and I needed to type this up while I'm still feeling angry. There is a nasty segment of every population, I've found. All my life I have assumed that English people are partly right for criticizing America. I'm not at all happy with America at the moment and I was likely to join in with the anger-fest, but not anymore. America is the world's scapegoat at the moment. I'm really tired of it.

I don't disagree with most of the stuff you've said, however, it's really unfair to act like all English people believe in the stereotypes about us. We really don't. Seriously, everyone jokes about how people from other countries seem to have this impression that we're all polite and stuff. You've learnt the hard way that we're not, even remotely. Swearing in casual conversation is completely socially acceptable, in all classes. I've never heard anyone say that America has a crappy education system, by the way. Ours is definately crap, though. You're right about the healthy eating thing, though. Eating healthy and cheap is hard, I normally end up getting a sandwich, as you said, or in London there's a couple of cheap vegetarian takeaway places. There's a couple of vegan cafes I go to as well. But yeah, I agree with most of what you've said, except we are actually aware of how bad we are. Which probably makes it worse.

[Scarlet Ibis]

Which is exactly what you've just done.

Not at all. I'm right here living it. I've shed my book/movie/music stereotypes about England.

[Scarlet Ibis]

Correct me if i'm wrong but you are judging an entire country and its people based on a visit to two of its cities.That's like me going to the deep south or whever it is in America you hoard all your religious nuts and tarnishing them with all the same brush.

Our inner cities are full of swearing loud mouthed teenagers but as I've said before London is not the world...or England.

Your comments are very narrow minded.I'm sure all societies have their good and bad but you should travel further afield before insulting an entire country.

I've been to:

Manchester
London
Guildford
Bognor Regis
Portsmouth

Also, I'm not judging all of you harshly. All I'm saying is that I'm fed up with the America-bashing I hear from Brits all the time now that I know that they are just like us in most ways and worse than us in others. I am disgusted with the holier-than-thou attitude I hear from so many of the English on solo, especially. I believed it! It's taken me almost two weeks here to finally shed all that nonsense from my brain.

[Scarlet Ibis]

No, they weren't. You came to England expecting it to be a nation of foppish, genteel Hugh Grant clones, tea and cakes and polite pitter-patter, a would-be Morrissey on every corner, and you were disappointed :rolleyes:

Not at all. You're very wrong. I'm kind of glad you said this, actually, because I can now disregard all else you say as being ridiculous.

[mozzette]

I've been to:
Manchester
London
Guildford
Bognor Regis
Portsmouth


All in the South.
(I'm gonna get it from the Mancs :p;))

[Amy]

Not at all. You're very wrong. I'm kind of glad you said this, actually, because I can now disregard all else you say as being ridiculous.

Most of what I said is based on the "Myths" you listed in your original rant. Which were ridiculous to begin with.

[IDon'tOweYouAnything23]

I've been to:

Manchester
London
Guildford
Bognor Regis
Portsmouth

Also, I'm not judging all of you harshly. All I'm saying is that I'm fed up with the America-bashing I hear from Brits all the time now that I know that they are just like us in most ways and worse than us in others. I am disgusted with the holier-than-thou attitude I hear from so many of the English on solo, especially. I believed it! It's taken me almost two weeks here to finally shed all that nonsense from my brain.

Ahh, you never came to Liverpool! We're not mean beans up here! ;)
I don't American-bash, Infact If I'm out an about, I'm drawn to American accents :o I don't think we have a holier-than-thou attitude, maybe some do in the place you've visited, but I wouldn't say that's the general attitude in Britain.

[cornelius blaze]

I find this thread fairly silly...sorry scarlet, england isn't still in the 1900s. With people tipping their hats to you "good lady".

I've seen the same amount of "candy' in your shops and well as ours.

every day i hear a number of languages chatting away on their mobile phones quiet loudly...so what!

actually i could pick apart your post, but i can't be bothered right now.

you came with some misconceptions about the country, now your disappointed. I also think you better toughen up a bit in many respects.

[Scarlet Ibis]

I don't disagree with most of the stuff you've said, however, it's really unfair to act like all English people believe in the stereotypes about us. We really don't. Seriously, everyone jokes about how people from other countries seem to have this impression that we're all polite and stuff. You've learnt the hard way that we're not, even remotely. Swearing in casual conversation is completely socially acceptable, in all classes. I've never heard anyone say that America has a crappy education system, by the way. Ours is definately crap, though. You're right about the healthy eating thing, though. Eating healthy and cheap is hard, I normally end up getting a sandwich, as you said, or in London there's a couple of cheap vegetarian takeaway places. There's a couple of vegan cafes I go to as well. But yeah, I agree with most of what you've said, except we are actually aware of how bad we are. Which probably makes it worse.

I don't think it's ALL English people at all. I have met many English people that are fantastic human beings. I'm not saying that the English are awful or worse than anyone else. I'm saying that until now I had bought into the lie that so many English people embrace that America is somehow worse than England and most other countries. There are tons of things I like about England. Your government seems to take good care of you, for one. The social programs here seem really excellent compared with the U.S. It's just that English people so often insult America for things that they do and are. This is what I'm saying.

[cornelius blaze]

I am disgusted with the holier-than-thou attitude I hear from so many of the English on solo, especially.

A lot of that is, with 'a tongue in cheek' attitude & humour. I do it all the time about Americans and the north of England.

[MunchyBrain]

I don't think it's ALL English people at all. I have met many English people that are fantastic human beings. I'm not saying that the English are awful or worse than anyone else. I'm saying that until now I had bought into the lie that so many English people embrace that America is somehow worse than England and most other countries. There are tons of things I like about England. Your government seems to take good care of you, for one. The social programs here seem really excellent compared with the U.S. It's just that English people so often insult America for things that they do and are. This is what I'm saying.

I don't insult American people for being American, because that is racism, although nobody seems to think it is. I have my doubts about the country, what with the voting Bush in twice, and the more fundamental stuff about the percentage of Americans who don't believe in evolution and things like that. But I hate people who think all Americans are stupid (those people tend to be...stupid).

[Scarlet Ibis]

I find this thread fairly silly...sorry scarlet, england isn't still in the 1900s. With people tipping their hats to you "good lady".

I've seen the same amount of "candy' in your shops and well as ours.

every day i hear a number of languages chatting away on their mobile phones quiet loudly...so what!

actually i could pick apart your post, but i can't be bothered right now.

if you came with some misconceptions about the country, now your disappointed. I also think you better toughen up a bit in many respects.

I can't believe you think this is what I'm saying. I had no notions of hat tipping and "good lady." I'm not attacking England for the things I mentioned. I'm attacking the English people who attack Americans!

And, no. I won't toughen up.

Honestly, England is much as I thought it would be except for all the unhealthy food and the rudeness. Otherwise, it's exactly as I imagined it. It's almost exactly like America, to be very honest. The reason I had these misconceptions about the food and the rudeness is entirely because of how often English people remind me that Americans eat like pigs and are rude as hell in comparison.

I believed it.

[mozzette]

I also think you better toughen up a bit in many respects.

Definitely!
Loads of people get picked on for the way they look everywhere. People get stabbed for being different; stories such as this which really upset me at the time (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/lancashire/7291985.stm). I'd say you got off lightly. A few little twats shouldn't be enough to hurt your feelings, it's those that deserve the pity for having to grow up the way they did. There are little shits everywhere, America being one place where its really bad.

ps Did you get attacked for being American? I thought they just called you fat?

[Kilt Uncle]

Typical English!...:p

[nugz]

waiiiiit

so first you work yourself way up with this trip. making thread upon thread full of questions, all anxious, wanting to be prepared for every tiny thing that might happen. then you post another thread about how everything is wonderful over there and you're having a great time. now you're complaining that someone called you fat and England isnt all tea and crimpets, and that this stuff wouldnt have happened in America and that people are too loud over there and curse too much. have you never taken the subway??? uhhh you SURE you're from DC???

you need to CHILL OUT. it's ashame you couldnt have just enjoyed your trip w/out worrying about every tiny little thing before and while you're there. fuck, I haven't been off the east coast of the US. I've never gotten the opportunity to travel to another country like you have. I think you should be grateful that you've had this opportunity... and with your husband, someone you love.

you need to take some valium, have a glass of wine, and chill out, girl.

[Scarlet Ibis]

I don't insult American people for being American, because that is racism, although nobody seems to think it is. I have my doubts about the country, what with the voting Bush in twice, and the more fundamental stuff about the percentage of Americans who don't believe in evolution and things like that. But I hate people who think all Americans are stupid (those people tend to be...stupid).

Yes, I think those people are idiots as well. It's not because they're American though.

Our government is corrupt and nearly fascist. This is true. I hate it. Yours is better. Not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but much better.

But our people, generally, are just like the people of any other country. There are always going to be a bunch of jerks mixed in. That's just humans.

[Buzzetta]

Of course not, it's the fattest country in the world. And besides, nobody in America has every insulted anyone for being fat. Ever.

I believe that hockey, assorted comedic actors who eventually gain citizenship in the United States, Molson Beer and "eh" pretty much sums up your country.

[oye terence]

I believe that hockey, assorted comedic actors who eventually gain citizenship in the United States, Molson Beer and "eh" pretty much sums up your country.

to quote dow jones: canada is america's hat.

[mozzette]

Typical English!...:p

Heeyy watch it mr :p
History dictates I should be on your side though...:D

[Kilt Uncle]

Heeyy watch it mr :p
History dictates I should be on your side though...:D

I knew you wouldn't stand for that....:p

At one point the Scottish border went to Morcambe Bay, but then if only me auntie had bollocks she'd be me uncle..:)

How are you this glorious evening?

[Scarlet Ibis]

waiiiiit

so first you work yourself way up with this trip. making thread upon thread full of questions, all anxious, wanting to be prepared for every tiny thing that might happen. then you post another thread about how everything is wonderful over there and you're having a great time. now you're complaining that someone called you fat and England isnt all tea and crimpets, and that this stuff wouldnt have happened in America and that people are too loud over there and curse too much. have you never taken the subway??? uhhh you SURE you're from DC???

you need to CHILL OUT. it's ashame you couldnt have just enjoyed your trip w/out worrying about every tiny little thing before and while you're there. fuck, I haven't been off the east coast of the US. I've never gotten the opportunity to travel to another country like you have. I think you should be grateful that you've had this opportunity... and with your husband, someone you love.

you need to take some valium, have a glass of wine, and chill out, girl.

I didn't think it was all tea and crumpets at all. I don't know why people keep saying this. It's nearly exactly as I thought it would be, except that I had believed all the America bashing.

And yes, much of this would have happened in America. You're missing my point! Although, the fat-bashing is out of control here. It's bad in America, but over here it's... it's strange. The two people who insulted me to my face were some of the most unattractive humans I've ever seen. I really had bought into the idea that English people were a little more polite. I was wrong.

This wasn't an England bash. It was a hypocrite bash.

[Corrissey]

Sadly, those American myths are all fact.

I'm sorry you had such a horrible time with your standards so high, and your spirits so low...

You can't stereotype a country based on one vacation. Or ever for that matter. Granted the Brits are brash, outrageous and free ;) but don't we all pick on eachother? Everyone? It's the way of the world.

You wouldn't stand for a Brit reacting to America/ns in a post like this. I can't recall who did it once, but we pounced on him. :mad:

[nugz]

I didn't think it was all tea and crumpets at all. I don't know why people keep saying this. It's nearly exactly as I thought it would be, except that I had believed all the America bashing.

And yes, much of this would have happened in America. You're missing my point! Although, the fat-bashing is out of control here. It's bad in America, but over here it's... it's strange. The two people who insulted me to my face were some of the most unattractive humans I've ever seen. I really had bought into the idea that English people were a little more polite. I was wrong.

This wasn't an England bash. It was a hypocrite bash.

and two stupid kids ruined your WHOLE trip?! thats ridiculous

[Scarlet Ibis]

Sadly, those American myths are all fact.

I'm sorry you had such a horrible time with your standards so high, and your spirits so low...

You can't stereotype a country based on one vacation. Or ever for that matter. Granted the Brits are brash, outrageous and free ;) but don't we all pick on eachother? Everyone? It's the way of the world.

You wouldn't stand for a Brit reacting to America/ns in a post like this. I can't recall who did it once, but we pounced on him. :mad:

Those American myths aren't facts at all!

Also, I am NOT stereotyping England! I must not have written this clearly because the interpretations you guys are coming up with are just not at all what I said. I said that it's not as the English portray it in comparison with the U.S.

[IDon'tOweYouAnything23]

I didn't think it was all tea and crumpets at all. I don't know why people keep saying this. It's nearly exactly as I thought it would be, except that I had believed all the America bashing.

And yes, much of this would have happened in America. You're missing my point! Although, the fat-bashing is out of control here. It's bad in America, but over here it's... it's strange. The two people who insulted me to my face were some of the most unattractive humans I've ever seen. I really had bought into the idea that English people were a little more polite. I was wrong.

This wasn't an England bash. It was a hypocrite bash.

Maybe you're not tuned into the harsh humour that we have over here. The majority of the time when someone's 'bashing' America it's done in jest, tongue and cheek. It's similar thing with the North/South banter we have here, mostly people are just having a joke.

[mozzette]

I knew you wouldn't stand for that....:p

At one point the Scottish border went to Morcambe Bay, but then if only me auntie had bollocks she'd be me uncle..:)

How are you this glorious evening?

'if only me auntie had bollocks she'd be me uncle' HAHA! I haven't heard that turn-of-phrase before. Classic, I shall be nicking that!

I'm fine but strangly patriotic at the moment. I think it's because I am reading Pies & predjudice by Stuart Maconie. If you ain't read it. DO. :D

Scotland is more my county than England as I can almost spit over the border. People who don't visit Scotland and (proper) Northern Englishland are missing out. I miss the days of the border reivers as all your scottish arses would be MINE! :D

[Scarlet Ibis]

and two stupid kids ruined your WHOLE trip?! thats ridiculous

No, no. My entire trip isn't ruined at all. I've had some great times here that I'll cherish forever.

Those two kids did ruin two of my days here though. And this last one just happened about two hours ago, so I'm still feeling hurt.

But what you're hearing is my pent-up anger over alllll the many America-bashing comments on solo over the years. I bought into it and I was wrong and I found it out the hard way. This is all I'm saying.

[Scarlet Ibis]

Maybe you're not tuned into the harsh humour that we have over here. The majority of the time when someone's 'bashing' America it's done in jest, tongue and cheek. It's similar thing with the North/South banter we have here, mostly people are just having a joke.

Not at all. I've heard that kind of humor. I know what you're speaking of. No. I'm talking about the VENOM I hear on solo regarding Americans. It often happens anonymously on the main page and it's often related to where Morrissey happens to be at the moment.

I'm very tuned-in to English humor. I'm a reluctant Anglophile. Everyone I've ever admired has been English, so there's plenty I adore about English culture. I grew up on it. I don't even watch American TV. I watch English television on YouTube. I don't find most American humor funny, to be honest. Only English humor really does it for me. SO, yes, I get that it's sometimes humor. This isn't what I'm speaking of.

[cornelius blaze]

I can't believe you think this is what I'm saying. I had no notions of hat tipping and "good lady." I'm not attacking England for the things I mentioned. I'm attacking the English people who attack Americans!

am i the only saying that here....NO!

your whole post was about the 'myths'....your myths, by the sounds of it.




And, no. I won't toughen up. then stop moaning and enjoy the rest of your trip, i didn't let a rude American woman spoil my trip in Vegas or the annoying drug dealer in NYC.Some people are rude, no matter where you are.



Honestly, England is much as I thought it would be except for all the unhealthy food and the rudeness. Otherwise, it's exactly as I imagined it. It's almost exactly like America, to be very honest. The reason I had these misconceptions about the food and the rudeness is entirely because of how often English people remind me that Americans eat like pigs and are rude as hell in comparison.

I believed it.

what unhealthy food? Did you think it be all salads and sandwiches with the crusts cut off?

A few people were rude to you out of 55 million who live here:rolleyes:

[mozzette]

Maybe you're not tuned into the harsh humour that we have over here. The majority of the time when someone's 'bashing' America it's done in jest, tongue and cheek. It's similar thing with the North/South banter we have here, mostly people are just having a joke.

I can vouch for the fact Americans don't get out dry humour as I worked with many from all over the US. I used to see the hurt in their eyes if I took the piss. I really didn't mean to hurt them :(. I hear a lot of Americans take the things Morrissey says and the way he is too seriously as well.

[Cassius]

I'm very sorry that you were called names and that you are ill, but I think you are overreacting. I have never been out of my state. I've never went anywhere nice. Ever. You should count yourself very lucky that you were able to take this trip.

Not to mention, the only American bashing I've really seen here is about our politics which, unfortunately, do suck. Are all of the comments deserved? Not at all. But you're acting like we are just completely stigmatized because we are American, which is not the case at all. I'm from freaking Texas and no one has made fun of me (besides a few harmless jokes) about it.

I think that you did have an inaccurate view of England or you wouldn't be so shocked now.

[Kilt Uncle]

'if only me auntie had bollocks she'd be me uncle' HAHA! I haven't heard that turn-of-phrase before. Classic, I shall be nicking that!

I'm fine but strangly patriotic at the moment. I think it's because I am reading Pies & predjudice by Robert Maconie. If you ain't read it. DO. :D

Scotland is more my county than England as I can almost spit over the border. People who don't visit Scotland and (proper) Northern Englishland are missing out. I miss the days of the border reivers as all you scottish arses would be MINE! :D

You would just have to talk in your lovely Gerordie accent and my arse would be yours anyway....:o

Do you mean Stuart Maconie? That would be worth reading then - that guy shows up on loads of stuff about Morrissey, so he has a certain seal of approval...:)

That quote came from The Office. The UK version, the ONLY true version..:)



No, no. My entire trip isn't ruined at all. I've had some great times here that I'll cherish forever.

Those two kids did ruin two of my days here though. And this last one just happened about two hours ago, so I'm still feeling hurt.

But what you're hearing is my pent-up anger over alllll the many America-bashing comments on solo over the years. I bought into it and I was wrong and I found it out the hard way. This is all I'm saying.

Sorry that it happened, but every country has its embarrassing elements.

You've even got me defending the English now. I'll never forgive you for this...:tears::p

[Cassius]

No, they weren't. You came to England expecting it to be a nation of foppish, genteel Hugh Grant clones, tea and cakes and polite pitter-patter, a would-be Morrissey on every corner, and you were disappointed :rolleyes:

Wait...you guys aren't really like that? :(

[Jukebox Jury]

'if only me auntie had bollocks she'd be me uncle' HAHA! I haven't heard that turn-of-phrase before. Classic, I shall be nicking that!

I'm fine but strangly patriotic at the moment. I think it's because I am reading Pies & predjudice by Robert Maconie. If you ain't read it. DO. :D

Scotland is more my county than England as I can almost spit over the border. People who don't visit Scotland and (proper) Northern Englishland are missing out. I miss the days of the border reivers as all your scottish arses would be MINE! :D

mozzette
You have greatly offended me several times for calling Mancunians / Lancastrians etc as Midlanders. You have ruined my day.:mad:

PS Yes it is Stuart Maconie and not Robert. Have you read page 110 yet?:guitar:

Jukebox Jury

[mozzette]

You would just have to talk in your lovely Gerordie accent and my arse would be yours anyway....:o

Do you mean Stuart Maconie? That would be worth reading then - that guy shows up on loads of stuff about Morrissey, so he has a certain seal of approval...:)

Oh hell yeah Stuart! You can tell I'm knackered. I'm going to edit that.
It's a great book and really funny.

I think in those days, your arse would be displayed on a pole outside my village :D. I still find it odd how you find our accent nice :o Good though.

[IDon'tOweYouAnything23]

Not at all. I've heard that kind of humor. I know what you're speaking of. No. I'm talking about the VENOM I hear on solo regarding Americans. It often happens anonymously on the main page and it's often related to where Morrissey happens to be at the moment.

I'm very tuned-in to English humor. I'm a reluctant Anglophile. Everyone I've ever admired has been English, so there's plenty I adore about English culture. I grew up on it. I don't even watch American TV. I watch English television on YouTube. I don't find most American humor funny, to be honest. Only English humor really does it for me. SO, yes, I get that it's sometimes humor. This isn't what I'm speaking of.

Oh, I've never really encountered any 'venom' on here. If it's on solo you say you hear all this, why do you use that in judging us English, as you've said some people you've actually met have been lovely. You should enjoy your trip rather than, fueling your disbelief from comments you've heard on here. And, you say all the people you have ever admired have been English, surely that shows we're not all a bad bunch who love to bash America ;)


I can vouch for the fact Americans don't get out dry humour as I worked with many from all over the US. I used to see the hurt in their eyes if I took the piss. I really didn't mean to hurt them :(. I hear a lot of Americans take the things Morrissey says and the way he is too seriously as well.


yeah, some (not all, may I add) don't get the sarcasm, dry, piss-taking mentality, I once took the piss out of an American who was a relative of my friend, he took it seriously and decided to call me a 'total ass-wipe', I thought that was hilarious! :D

[mozzette]

mozzette
You have greatly offended me several times for calling Mancunians / Lancastrians etc as Midlanders. You have ruined my day.:mad:

PS Yes it is Stuart Maconie and not Robert. Have you read page 110 yet?:guitar:

Jukebox Jury

Aw I'm just jesting :p Your northern but you are south of me, so I can officially call everyone south 'southern' ;)

Ps not yet, dont say owt...

[nugz]

yeah, some (not all, may I add) don't get the sarcasm, dry, piss-taking mentality, I once took the piss out of an American who was a relative of my friend, he took it seriously and decided to call me a 'total ass-wipe', I thought that was hilarious! :D

"ass-wipe" is a great insult. I should use it more often. :p

[IDon'tOweYouAnything23]

"ass-wipe" is a great insult. I should use it more often. :p

It is! I tried to get my mates to use it, it never took off though :(

[mozzette]

It is! I tried to get my mates to use it, it never took off though :(

Guess it would be like calling someone 'toilet paper'

[Kilt Uncle]

Oh hell yeah Stuart! You can tell I'm knackered. I'm going to edit that.
It's a great book and really funny.

I think in those days, your arse would be displayed on a pole outside my village :D. I still find it odd how you find our accent nice :o Good though.

I'll look out for that book, he's a really good lad.

Well, re the pole policy - as long as i am dead then i probably wont mind..:) I find it very attractive, it sounds very earthy. But i'll stop because you just end up sounding like a pretentious wanker trying to explain such things. We will settle for the tone..:)

[IDon'tOweYouAnything23]

Guess it would be like calling someone 'toilet paper'

yeah, suppose, 'Oh you're such a bog roll!' I now see why it never worked :o

[mozzette]

I'll look out for that book, he's a really good lad.

Well, re the pole policy - as long as i am dead then i probably wont mind..:) I find it very attractive, it sounds very earthy. But i'll stop because you just end up sounding like a pretentious wanker trying to explain such things. We will settle for the tone..:)

Depends how attrative and earthy your bottom is. :p
But yeah, definitely get the book.

[Buzzetta]

I'm very sorry that you were called names and that you are ill, but I think you are overreacting. I have never been out of my state. I've never went anywhere nice. Ever. You should count yourself very lucky that you were able to take this trip.

Not to mention, the only American bashing I've really seen here is about our politics which, unfortunately, do suck. Are all of the comments deserved? Not at all. But you're acting like we are just completely stigmatized because we are American, which is not the case at all. I'm from freaking Texas and no one has made fun of me (besides a few harmless jokes) about it.

I think that you did have an inaccurate view of England or you wouldn't be so shocked now.

That is because they keep all the hot girls in Texas, everything is bigger and the only bad parts I know of Texas I have seen on COPs.

[meat_is_murder19]

Sounds like u met what we call in england "chav" kids most of them are rude and little shits.Modern england is not tea and crumpits its binge drinking teenage pregnancy old ladies scared to walk streets cause of teen "hoodie" gangs.

[Buzzetta]

Sounds like u met what we call in england "chav" kids most of them are rude and little shits.Modern england is not tea and crumpits its binge drinking teenage pregnancy old ladies scared to walk streets cause of teen "hoodie" gangs.

Booking my trip now. I always wanted to go hunting for fugitives.

[Dow Jones]

Moral of the story is everyone, everywhere sucks. No exceptions.

[Scarlet Ibis]

Oh, I've never really encountered any 'venom' on here. If it's on solo you say you hear all this, why do you use that in judging us English, as you've said some people you've actually met have been lovely. You should enjoy your trip rather than, fueling your disbelief from comments you've heard on here. And, you say all the people you have ever admired have been English, surely that shows we're not all a bad bunch who love to bash America ;)





I'm not saying you're all awful! I'm saying that you're no better than Americans... who can be awful at times. Sometimes you (as a culture) can be worse behaved than Americans and sometimes better behaved.

And I still admire more English people than any other people (aside from my family and close friends). I just thought England was a notch above America in many ways, especially in displaying politeness and gentleness. Americans are so often chided and insulted for being so many things that, it turns out, English people are themselves. I mean, my God, I've been here less two weeks and have been openly insulted twice! And no, this absolutely doesn't happen in America this often. It happens, but that sort of person is rarely encountered in daily life. I was in a grocery store!

Yeah. I'm feeling irritable about that.

[Scarlet Ibis]

Moral of the story is everyone, everywhere sucks. No exceptions.

YES!

Yes. Thank you for putting it in a nutshell for me. If only I could have been so succinct.

[Scarlet Ibis]

Sounds like u met what we call in england "chav" kids most of them are rude and little shits.Modern england is not tea and crumpits its binge drinking teenage pregnancy old ladies scared to walk streets cause of teen "hoodie" gangs.

And see, I knew all that. I fully expected all that. I just didn't expect it in daily life on the streets and grocery stores. In America you usually have to go to The Bad Part Of Town for this sort of thing to happen. This isn't to say we're better, just more organized about where we keep our low-life assholes.

The reason I was feeling ranty over it is because of all the negative stereotypes about America floating around in my head - taken directly from non-Americans.

I still love the English. It's just now I know that they're not as far above American culture as I thought. Also, I now sort of fear them because whenever someone's hurtful to me it really does ruin a good 6 to 8 hours for me.

[modrevolve]

The most dissapointing thing about England I found from my travels there was discovering how early the pubs close..I thought I'd be getting pissed every night till at least four in the morning :(

[Buzzetta]

And see, I knew all that. I fully expected all that. I just didn't expect it in daily life on the streets and grocery stores. In America you usually have to go to The Bad Part Of Town for this sort of thing to happen. This isn't to say we're better, just more organized about where we keep our low-life assholes.

The reason I was feeling ranty over it is because of all the negative stereotypes about America floating around in my head - taken directly from non-Americans.

I still love the English. It's just now I know that they're not as far above American culture as I thought. Also, I now sort of fear them because whenever someone's hurtful to me it really does ruin a good 6 to 8 hours for me.

To fully see "Europeans Gone Wild" come to NYC during tourist seasons on Friday and Saturday nights.
Europeans + Large Quantities of Alcohol + Ignorance of US Law = America's funniest home videos.

[Cassius]

That is because they keep all the hot girls in Texas, everything is bigger and the only bad parts I know of Texas I have seen on COPs.

:guitar::guitar::guitar:

[IDon'tOweYouAnything23]

I'm not saying you're all awful! I'm saying that you're no better than Americans... who can be awful at times. Sometimes you (as a culture) can be worse behaved than Americans and sometimes better behaved.

Yeah, the awful people in Britain are no better than awful Americans, same goes for everywhere else. You don't need a trip to another place to tell you, that there will be some little shits in that particular society. That's life.


And I still admire more English people than any other people (aside from my family and close friends). I just thought England was a notch above America in many ways, especially in displaying politeness and gentleness. Americans are so often chided and insulted for being so many things that, it turns out, English people are themselves. I mean, my God, I've been here less two weeks and have been openly insulted twice! And no, this absolutely doesn't happen in America this often. It happens, but that sort of person is rarely encountered in daily life. I was in a grocery store!

Yeah. I'm feeling irritable about that.

I'm sorry to hear that you were offended. I think that you maybe took that more harshly, than a English native who would be accustomed to that sort of jibe; since you expected our society to be more polite and gentle. Well, in the past fortnight, I haven't been randomly insulted on the street, (I think you say you were, 'cause you're American?) and being a tourist maybe, you didn't know which areas in a particular city to avoid.Yes, we've got our yobs, chavs, scum like every other country but, I assure you that's it's not the norm here to be randomly insulted, at least not where I come from. Forget about it anyway, don't take it personally :)

[Cassius]

In America you usually have to go to The Bad Part Of Town for this sort of thing to happen.

I suppose I have always lived in The Bad Part of Town then.

[IDon'tOweYouAnything23]

The most dissapointing thing about England I found from my travels there was discovering how early the pubs close..I thought I'd be getting pissed every night till at least four in the morning :(

Well, when they closed, you should have carried on the party in some bars/clubs :guitar:

[HIM]

And see, I knew all that. I fully expected all that. I just didn't expect it in daily life on the streets and grocery stores. In America you usually have to go to The Bad Part Of Town for this sort of thing to happen. This isn't to say we're better, just more organized about where we keep our low-life assholes.

The reason I was feeling ranty over it is because of all the negative stereotypes about America floating around in my head - taken directly from non-Americans.

I still love the English. It's just now I know that they're not as far above American culture as I thought. Also, I now sort of fear them because whenever someone's hurtful to me it really does ruin a good 6 to 8 hours for me.

I believe that everything went downhill from the moment the McDonalds chain was given licence to invade England — don't laugh, I'm serious. To me it was like the outbreak of war and I can't understand why English troops weren't retaliating. The Americanisation of England is such a terminal illness — I think England should be English, and Americans should go home and spoil their own country.

[oscillate wildly]

I believe that everything went downhill from the moment the McDonalds chain was given licence to invade England — don't laugh, I'm serious. To me it was like the outbreak of war and I can't understand why English troops weren't retaliating. The Americanisation of England is such a terminal illness — I think England should be English, and Americans should go home and spoil their own country.

hello morizee

[Cassius]

I believe that everything went downhill from the moment the McDonalds chain was given licence to invade England — don't laugh, I'm serious. To me it was like the outbreak of war and I can't understand why English troops weren't retaliating. The Americanisation of England is such a terminal illness — I think England should be English, and Americans should go home and spoil their own country.

I think if we took back McDonalds there would be mass hysteria.

[Black_Eyed_Sioux]

I think if we took back McDonalds there would be mass hysteria.

The fatties would run out of breath soon enough

[Dave]

Most of your pre-conceived notions of British people are stereotypes based on books and films that have little if anything to do with real life. Society often has a hostile attitude to people who are different, fat people are often included in that category. Its wrong, but it happens in EVERY country, including your own, so please take your self-righteous prattle back to the US and stop taking everything so seriously. :rolleyes:

I thought an English person would just say "oh dear" and change the subject. are you sure you aren't from America? ;)

[Cassius]

The fatties would run out of breath soon enough

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff308/Werewolf2Infinity/gasp.jpg

[Shaw]

What you've ironically done is listed the Americanisation of Britain. Terrible isn't it?

[Cassius]

What you've ironically done is listed the Americanisation of Britain. Terrible isn't it?

We've taught you how to be dicks. Embrace it.

[SNS22]

We've taught you how to be dicks. Embrace it.

No, they learned that from the French. We taught them how to be proud of it.

[bogdana]

I have come to find out a big portion of society is stupid and stupidity breeds contempt. So dumbasses are jerks. Everywhere. And it sucks.

Its funny because i had the opposite experience whilst in England (like that whilst?:p) Granted it was 2003; but people seemed very friendly to me, and I really enjoyed that most people in London were average size. No anorexics, everyone looked healthy. I felt more confident about myself because of that. Also, I had a very easy time finding healthy foods; I love the yogurt in London. Its better than the crap we have!

I guess it just depends where you go and when. Im sorry people were buttheads to you. Hopefully next time will go better.

[PUNKturedBIKE]

I fucking love England!

[Scarlet Ibis]

I fucking love England!

I do too. I'm just feeling rather upset about the hypocrisy. It's much as I thought it would be, only WAY harsher. I really thought they'd have it all over us Americans from the way so many of them go on about how awful we are.

I am now adapting to my new outlook.

[PUNKturedBIKE]

I do too. I'm just feeling rather upset about the hypocrisy. It's much as I thought it would be, only WAY harsher. I really thought they'd have it all over us Americans from the way so many of them go on about how awful we are.

I am now adapting to my new outlook.

I'm not saying you're wrong, i don't know if i can even really say in all seriousness that i love England. I think i love the idea of our country. I've lived here my whole life, only been to the USA as a kid, so i couldn't tell you of the people i met, or how their lifestyles do or don't meet certain sterotypes. This isn't to say however that all of your preconceptions are common to me.
Some of what you posted made me chuckle. I laughed when you wrote about someone being on the phone and saying "Fucking this, and fucking that". So true! I for one swear like a trooper. Oh, and fuck me, can i drink!
Buuut, this isn't to say that you cannot find a quaint little cottage with Grandma making autuminal preserves..Jesus, there might even be a bring and buy sale at the local parrish church..

I must stop, National Front Disco has really just started playing. What next, The Queen is Dead?

[JoyDiv007]

I've traveled all over the UK, on my own and have never had any problems. Have come across rude people but they are everywhere. I love the UK, have so much fun over there and hopefully I'll be back there next summer.

[Buzzetta]

I do too. I'm just feeling rather upset about the hypocrisy. It's much as I thought it would be, only WAY harsher. I really thought they'd have it all over us Americans from the way so many of them go on about how awful we are.

I am now adapting to my new outlook.

Seriously... you need to toughen up. You mentioned once how I upset you. Develop a thicker skin, cowboy up and deal with it. If you allow every comment to affect you, you may as well pull the covers up over your head and never leave the house.

[bysshe]

What you've ironically done is listed the Americanisation of Britain. Terrible isn't it?


We've taught you how to be dicks. Embrace it.


No, they learned that from the French. We taught them how to be proud of it.

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[Buzzetta]

Could it be that Scarlet Ibis is the new Mozzy1?

[Dave]

Could it be that Scarlet Ibis is the new Mozzy1?

great minds (and forum bullies and assholes) think alike :D

[Buzzetta]

great minds (and forum bullies and assholes) think alike :D

lol - you thought the same thing didn't you?

[Dave]

lol - you thought the same thing didn't you?

yes. I don't want to make that accusation but, yes, the thought occurred.

[Buzzetta]

yes. I don't want to make that accusation but, yes, the thought occurred.

The paypal thread may interest you BTW.

[Musley]

What you've ironically done is listed the Americanisation of Britain. Terrible isn't it?

Exactly! All we need now is the right to own guns and then we can go round shooting each other up instead of stabbing each other!

[withmyheadonthebar]

Not at all. I've heard that kind of humor. I know what you're speaking of. No. I'm talking about the VENOM I hear on solo regarding Americans. It often happens anonymously on the main page and it's often related to where Morrissey happens to be at the moment.


Because the main page is known as a hotbed of informed and logical debate, particularly when it comes to anonymous posters?


Exactly! All we need now is the right to own guns and then we can go round shooting each other up instead of stabbing each other!

Round my way they're already doing that...

[Musley]

Round my way they're already doing that...

See the Americanisation of our country is almost complete:mad:

[EPbabe]

Scarlet, what if you try to chill out and enjoy yourself for a change? Stop taking everything so seriously, you know the world was not created only to annoy and upset you. I'm sorry people were rude with you and you had a bad time. I wasn't there with you so obviously I don't know how much of it really happened and how much of it was what you perceived as rudeness directed towards you. But I do sense a lot of victimhood in your posts. And, as I said elsewhere, you'll find rude people everywhere, learn to fight them back or ignore them, otherwise you'll get hurt time and time again.

Edit: I was in England twice, and had the time of my life.

[vicarinatutugal]

I am sorry you were insulted scarlet really I am, however like many have said (and you accept) you get mean people every where.


Most of your pre-conceived notions of British people are stereotypes based on books and films that have little if anything to do with real life. Society often has a hostile attitude to people who are different, fat people are often included in that category. Its wrong, but it happens in EVERY country, including your own, so please take your self-righteous prattle back to the US and stop taking everything so seriously. :rolleyes:



Not at all. You're very wrong. I'm kind of glad you said this, actually, because I can now disregard all else you say as being ridiculous.

I think Amy has a point, you did seem to have a bit of a romantic view totally of england, even down to what people wear or colours so on. I do not think this was odd, people do that.

[vicarinatutugal]

I didn't think it was all tea and crumpets at all. I don't know why people keep saying this. It's nearly exactly as I thought it would be, except that I had believed all the America bashing.

And yes, much of this would have happened in America. You're missing my point! Although, the fat-bashing is out of control here. It's bad in America, but over here it's... it's strange. The two people who insulted me to my face were some of the most unattractive humans I've ever seen. I really had bought into the idea that English people were a little more polite. I was wrong.

This wasn't an England bash. It was a hypocrite bash.

do not let 2 people ruin your holiday so fully, they have won scarlet. I think you would be just as upset if it happened anywhere! it is horrible to be insulted :(

[vicarinatutugal]

Wait...you guys aren't really like that? :(

oh forget england, come to scotland. However look at someone the wrong way and it will be a glesge kiss for ye.

[sarahT]

Scarlett you need to relax a bit and lighten up. When you were in Manchester you reported that loved it and thought everyone here was dressed really great and you felt less judged and that you really fitted in and it was all sooooo much better than America. Then two scallywags took the piss out of you when you were posing outside Salford Lads club and your entire trip was ruined. People and customs are different in other countries, food is different too, that's what most people enjoy about travelling. You shouldn't dismiss and insult an entire nation based on a two week trip and what some random idiots on a message board say about America.

[vicarinatutugal]

I'm not saying you're all awful! I'm saying that you're no better than Americans... who can be awful at times. Sometimes you (as a culture) can be worse behaved than Americans and sometimes better behaved.

And I still admire more English people than any other people (aside from my family and close friends). I just thought England was a notch above America in many ways, especially in displaying politeness and gentleness. Americans are so often chided and insulted for being so many things that, it turns out, English people are themselves. I mean, my God, I've been here less two weeks and have been openly insulted twice! And no, this absolutely doesn't happen in America this often. It happens, but that sort of person is rarely encountered in daily life. I was in a grocery store!

Yeah. I'm feeling irritable about that.


I think you find mostly people are the same all over.

[vicarinatutugal]

Sounds like u met what we call in england "chav" kids most of them are rude and little shits.Modern england is not tea and crumpits its binge drinking teenage pregnancy old ladies scared to walk streets cause of teen "hoodie" gangs.

yes, we all hate chavs as well, or neds in scotland. :mad:

[Sharron Needles]

Wait, why were you in Guildford & Bognor Regis in the first place? :sick:

[Barking]

but the English know what they're doing and turn out intelligent and fully educated people who know multiple languages


:D:eek::D:eek::D

Er...Scarlet?...That's Swedes.

hehehe.C'm'on you Brits!



Travelling broadens the mind and you've just found out. Well done :cool:

[cornelius blaze]

:D:eek::D:eek::D

Er...Scarlet?...That's Swedes.

hehehe.C'm'on you Brits!



Travelling broadens the mind and you've just found out. Well done :cool:

I read that too:p

the british are fairly notorious for not learning other lanuages:o

[Dave]

I read that too:p

the british are fairly notorious for not learning other lanuages:o

as long as you know American you can get by

[cornelius blaze]

as long as you know American you can get by

Howdy buddy, Awesome LOlz:)

[Sharron Needles]

as long as you know American you can get by

I think California should secede from the U.S. The rest of you guys are crazy (with the exceptions of say, NYC & Chicago maybe). :p

[Hellie]

I believe that everything went downhill from the moment the McDonalds chain was given licence to invade England — don't laugh, I'm serious. To me it was like the outbreak of war and I can't understand why English troops weren't retaliating. The Americanisation of England is such a terminal illness — I think England should be English, and Americans should go home and spoil their own country.


What about all other nationalities should they bugger off too?

[cornelius blaze]

What about all other nationalities should they bugger off too?

The Welsh:)

[girlunafraid]

I was in Manchester, England at the same time as you SI, I met up with Jukebox Jury & although I struggled with the language/food/ale I had a wonderful time, I'm now back home in my own (adopted) country.
I found the place adorable (but wouldn't want to live there).

You ought to have made it known you was going to come to England, there's loads of friendly people on here, I met quite a few at the Star & Garter, they had a Smiths/Morrissey disco, it was brimming with like-minded souls from all over the place.

Next time you are planning a trip, you ought to ask people on here for advice & maybe if you listen to them you'll have a wonderful time!

love

Grim

[nugz]

I was in Manchester, England at the same time as you SI, I met up with Jukebox Jury & although I struggled with the language/food/ale I had a wonderful time, I'm now back home in my own (adopted) country.
I found the place adorable (but wouldn't want to live there).

You ought to have made it known you was going to come to England, there's loads of friendly people on here, I met quite a few at the Star & Garter, they had a Smiths/Morrissey disco, it was brimming with like-minded souls from all over the place.

Next time you are planning a trip, you ought to ask people on here for advice & maybe if you listen to them you'll have a wonderful time!

love

Grim

hahahaha, ohhhhh but she did.....

[cornelius blaze]

hahahaha, ohhhhh but she did.....

and some of that was from me:tears:

[lnathan]

Sometimes when you have one negative experience, such as a rude comment from a stranger, you start seeing everything in a negative light. Could it be that after someone was rude to you you started noticing all the negative things while forgetting about the good experiences you've had? It's a shame that has ruined your trip.

I feel like I have to defend England. I recently immigrated from Denmark and have lived here for about three months and I really like it here. I do think the English are a very polite people - I have almost got used to saying please, thank you and sorry to everyone in any situation now. When I got here I arrived at Liverpool Street and had to run to get my train. I was running as fast as I could like a sweaty maniac with my big bags, right towards this guy, almost bumping into him, and he apologised to me for being in the way. That is very typical of the people here, in my experience.

About the food, I have to say, compared to where I come from, it is very very easy to get healthy food here. In the super markets there seems to be a healthier version of everything, and the selection of vegetarian foods is astonishing. There is anything you could possibly want. And the last time I went to a pub I was able to have a wonderful vegetable maroccan tangine - in a traditional English pub!

By the way, why do you worry about your diet when you are on holiday? When I am on holiday, I always take the opportunity to stuff my face with all the great foods I deny myself in everyday life. You can diet when you come back. :)

[nugz]

and some of that was from me:tears:

I know dear, and you did good. you did good. :)

[Renia]

After years of watching Monty Python, Blackadder, and whatnot, I already came to the conclusion that British people are mean! :D but I like it.

After I graduate High School my dad and I are going on a trip to Ireland, and then a detour to England (HE SAID WE MAY GO TO CARDIFF!! :D) to see a friend of ours. and after I get back, I get to go straight back to Ireland cause I'll be living there for a year.

I think I'd feel jipped if I didn't find some nasty people. it would be too perfect and I would suspect you all are being drugged or something.

[EPbabe]

hahahaha, ohhhhh but she did.....

Oh I was just about to say that. :p

[MunchyBrain]

After years of watching Monty Python, Blackadder, and whatnot, I already came to the conclusion that British people are mean! :D but I like it.

After I graduate High School my dad and I are going on a trip to Ireland, and then a detour to England (HE SAID WE MAY GO TO CARDIFF!! :D) to see a friend of ours. and after I get back, I get to go straight back to Ireland cause I'll be living there for a year.

I think I'd feel jipped if I didn't find some nasty people. it would be too perfect and I would suspect you all are being drugged or something.

Why are you so excited about Cardiff? :eek:

[oye terence]

i am upset with new england right now, its cold outside.:mad:

[lightupvirginmary]

Some random English person has once again gone out of his way to insult me because I'm fat. This wouldn't have happened in America.

I know I'll be attacked for this, but I'm fed up right now and I can't WAIT to get back to the U.S. Forget everything you've ever heard about the differences between Americans and the English. It's a load of crap!

I see it all the time on solo. The English often attack Americans on here. Well, you're wrong. No, two weeks in England doesn't make me an expert, but I think I have a pretty good overview.

Myth #1 - Americans are loud and obnoxious while English people are polite and speak in hushed tones.

HA! The English are LOUD! In the grocery stores here there are roaming gaggles of teens who laugh and talk and generally make mayhem. I've been in three grocery stores now (because my husband has a fascination with the strange foods here) and in two of these stores this has been the case.

Also, people talk on their cell phones ("fuckin' this" "fuckin' that") really loudly in public and they don't care who they annoy.

Myth #2 - Americans are coarse while the English are polite and genteel.

Would an American say "cunt" or "fuck" while having a loud public conversation? Not likely. Over here it doesn't get a second glance.

I've yet to meet anyone here that seems more polite than the average American. In fact, in America, if you catch someone's eye by accident, you'll usually smile and they'll smile and then you'll look away. Here, they just look away quickly. It seems rude to me.

Myth #3 - Americans have a crappy education system, but the English know what they're doing and turn out intelligent and fully educated people who know multiple languages and can do algebra easily.

I've seen more roving packs of barely intelligible low-class teens in the two weeks that I've been here than in months of being in D.C. And I used to live right in South East D.C!

I shopped in Camden and found myself around a lot of teens who seemed very middle class and average. They were every bit as juvenile and twitty as any random group of American teens. I was also around a lot of teens at the Boosh show. These teens were presumably a bit more intelligent than your average teen since their senses of humor must be fairly developed. Still, they seemed much like American teens.

Myth #4 - Americans are superficial and addicted to tabloid magazines, celebrity lives and the pursuit of physical beauty.

From what I have seen, England is entirely too wrapped up in such things. It doesn't compare. It's totally opposite to the myth. England is all about celebrities and other superficial things. The obsession with weight here is just insane. I thought it was bad in America, but here it's gone from an obsession to a neurosis. They can't stop talking about weight. (Meanwhile they are eating more candy than another other nation on earth while making fun of Americans for their piggishness.) I overheard two conversations while walking on one London block. The first conversation snippet I heard: She must have gained at least twenty since I last saw her! The second snippet from an entirely different conversation: ...been gaining weight and...

Myth #5 - Americans are arrogant.

This one would be funny if I was in any kind of mood to find it humorous at all. What's more arrogant than proclaiming yourselves better than an entire country just based on hearsay and steretypes? English people do this all the time. (I'm sure lots of solo archives could be wrangled up if someone were in the mood to do so.) America is fascinated with the rest of the world. We love nothing more than to encounter someone with a foreign accent. Especially an English accent. We've always loved the English and we've always been good to the English.

Myth #6 - Americans are bullies.

I'm finding the opposite to be true. I'm not having a good time here anymore and it's all because I'm terrified of being insulted once again. In America it's not acceptable to be mean to random people on the street. It doesn't happen that often. Once in a while it will, but not enough that you have to live in fear of it if you're fat (or outside the norm in any other way).

Myth # 7 - Americans are fat because they are lazy and eat huge portions of fast food and sweets.

Oh. My. God. We might be a little fatter than the English, but it has very little to do with these things. Pub food is basically fried dough with sausages thrown in there somewhere. The portions are every bit as large as American portions, by the way. Yes, there are a few chain restaurants who will give you outrageously enormous portions, but this isn't the norm and it's often a gimmick. Also, when served these huge portions we eat a bit of it and then take the rest home with us for lunch the next day. We're not idiots who will eat everything that's put in front of us anymore than you are.

The candy is everywhere. I've found it difficult to get a healthy meal while here. The only way I can eat healthy here is to go to vegetarian/organic restaurants or the grocery store and buy prepackaged sandwiches and salads, which do seem fairly healthy and nutritious.

Don't start with me about my fat. I have horrible medical issues that you know nothing about and that will kill me one day and this (and the treatments for my disorders) are what has made this so. I eat the diet of a near-anorexic, so don't EVEN start with me.

PLUS, on average, you all drink WAYYYYY more than we Americans do. Somehow that kind of gluttony is acceptable since it doesn't always manifest in having extra flesh.

So, yeah. I'm disgusted at the moment. I've felt very unwelcome here. There are some wonderful things about England, but not enough to make up for the unpleasantness I've had to deal with here. This has been an eye-opener.

I apologize to my English friends. I don't include you in this at all. I'm just very upset right now and I needed to type this up while I'm still feeling angry. There is a nasty segment of every population, I've found. All my life I have assumed that English people are partly right for criticizing America. I'm not at all happy with America at the moment and I was likely to join in with the anger-fest, but not anymore. America is the world's scapegoat at the moment. I'm really tired of it.

Bit late here, but I feel obliged to comment. You're coming off a bit... whiney.
Firstly; England doesn't give a shit that you're upset with it. It's not England's fault you're fat, even if you do have a 'medical problem'. You've admitted your fat, and some horrible child pointed it out. You should have told him to go fuck himself. I'm fat and no one has ever called me it on the street. Were you talking really loudly? Wearing a bum bag? This might have contributed to the problem. Living in fear of the next insult is ridiculous, live in fear of getting stabbed instead. It's probably just as likely here.
Second; just because you had a hard time in the uk doesn't mean what english people say about americans is wrong, just that we shouldn't make sweeping generalisations, as you have.
I have NEVER heard an English person talk on the tube as loud as I have an American. Ever. And there are a lot more English people in London than American, so you do the maths.
Yeah we are not scared of swear words. We are not brow-beaten by our government either, thank (the entirely non-existent) god. Yes we have worse customer service than Americans, thats not a myth. That's a fact. Where do you think the Little Britain 'computer says no' sketch comes from?
Chavs are everywhere, it's true. Stupid teenagers, oh yes. If you judge a whole nation based on people under 16, then you're the idiot, not them (or us).
We ARE obsessed with celebrity culture. It's a welcome diversion from living in grotty London. We like CHOCOLATE too and that's because we have the best chocolate on earth. And the best crisps. Just look at all those flavours. Mmm. This is why I'm fat. At least I'm honest.
Honestly, I don't know what people expect London to be. It's a greasy, filthy, chicken-shop strewn, expensive unpleasant place to live. It's one bonus is being highly multi-cultural and forward-thinking (for the most part). It has an amazing nightlife, if you can afford it. It has amazing things to do, if you can afford it. The rest of us just try not to get stabbed on the number 29 bus.
ps. what nugz said was true, you're like one of those people who go to glastonbury and make a thousand posts on the glastonbury messageboard going 'how much spending money do I need? where shall I camp?' Just go, do a bunch of drugs, and see where the mood takes you!
That's good advice for life in general, I find.

[Paulc]

Bit late here, but I feel obliged to comment. You're coming off a bit... whiney.
Firstly; England doesn't give a shit that you're upset with it. It's not England's fault you're fat, even if you do have a 'medical problem'. You've admitted your fat, and some horrible child pointed it out. You should have told him to go fuck himself. I'm fat and no one has ever called me it on the street. Were you talking really loudly? Wearing a bum bag? This might have contributed to the problem. Living in fear of the next insult is ridiculous, live in fear of getting stabbed instead. It's probably just as likely here.
Second; just because you had a hard time in the uk doesn't mean what english people say about americans is wrong, just that we shouldn't make sweeping generalisations, as you have.
I have NEVER heard an English person talk on the tube as loud as I have an American. Ever. And there are a lot more English people in London than American, so you do the maths.
Yeah we are not scared of swear words. We are not brow-beaten by our government either, thank (the entirely non-existent) god. Yes we have worse customer service than Americans, thats not a myth. That's a fact. Where do you think the Little Britain 'computer says no' sketch comes from?
Chavs are everywhere, it's true. Stupid teenagers, oh yes. If you judge a whole nation based on people under 16, then you're the idiot, not them (or us).
We ARE obsessed with celebrity culture. It's a welcome diversion from living in grotty London. We like CHOCOLATE too and that's because we have the best chocolate on earth. And the best crisps. Just look at all those flavours. Mmm. This is why I'm fat. At least I'm honest.
Honestly, I don't know what people expect London to be. It's a greasy, filthy, chicken-shop strewn, expensive unpleasant place to live. It's one bonus is being highly multi-cultural and forward-thinking (for the most part). It has an amazing nightlife, if you can afford it. It has amazing things to do, if you can afford it. The rest of us just try not to get stabbed on the number 29 bus.
ps. what nugz said was true, you're like one of those people who go to glastonbury and make a thousand posts on the glastonbury messageboard going 'how much spending money do I need? where shall I camp?' Just go, do a bunch of drugs, and see where the mood takes you!
That's good advice for life in general, I find.


what she said^^

[withmyheadonthebar]

Bit late here, but I feel obliged to comment. You're coming off a bit... whiney.
Firstly; England doesn't give a shit that you're upset with it. It's not England's fault you're fat, even if you do have a 'medical problem'. You've admitted your fat, and some horrible child pointed it out. You should have told him to go fuck himself. I'm fat and no one has ever called me it on the street. Were you talking really loudly? Wearing a bum bag? This might have contributed to the problem. Living in fear of the next insult is ridiculous, live in fear of getting stabbed instead. It's probably just as likely here.
Second; just because you had a hard time in the uk doesn't mean what english people say about americans is wrong, just that we shouldn't make sweeping generalisations, as you have.
I have NEVER heard an English person talk on the tube as loud as I have an American. Ever. And there are a lot more English people in London than American, so you do the maths.
Yeah we are not scared of swear words. We are not brow-beaten by our government either, thank (the entirely non-existent) god. Yes we have worse customer service than Americans, thats not a myth. That's a fact. Where do you think the Little Britain 'computer says no' sketch comes from?
Chavs are everywhere, it's true. Stupid teenagers, oh yes. If you judge a whole nation based on people under 16, then you're the idiot, not them (or us).
We ARE obsessed with celebrity culture. It's a welcome diversion from living in grotty London. We like CHOCOLATE too and that's because we have the best chocolate on earth. And the best crisps. Just look at all those flavours. Mmm. This is why I'm fat. At least I'm honest.
Honestly, I don't know what people expect London to be. It's a greasy, filthy, chicken-shop strewn, expensive unpleasant place to live. It's one bonus is being highly multi-cultural and forward-thinking (for the most part). It has an amazing nightlife, if you can afford it. It has amazing things to do, if you can afford it. The rest of us just try not to get stabbed on the number 29 bus.
ps. what nugz said was true, you're like one of those people who go to glastonbury and make a thousand posts on the glastonbury messageboard going 'how much spending money do I need? where shall I camp?' Just go, do a bunch of drugs, and see where the mood takes you!
That's good advice for life in general, I find.

I think I love you (sorry, MLE).

[MunchyBrain]

Just go, do a bunch of drugs, and see where the mood takes you!
That's good advice for life in general, I find.

See my post on the camping thread. :p

[cornelius blaze]

i am upset with new england right now, its cold outside.:mad:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k238/morrisseysolo/other%20stuff%20for%20solo/simpsons_nelson_haha2.jpg

[Sharron Needles]

And there are a lot more English people in London than American, so you do the maths.

Maybe, unless you have been to Hollywood. I think the point is there are assholes everywhere; it doesn't matter where you live. People in general should be avoided. But when in doubt, just blame the Germans ;)

[oye terence]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k238/morrisseysolo/other%20stuff%20for%20solo/simpsons_nelson_haha2.jpg

we have a expected high of 22 c today.so its actually warmer here,i just want it warmer.:p

[EPbabe]

we have a expected high of 22 c today.so its actually warmer here,i just want it warmer.:p

Aren't you a bit greedy??? :eek:

[oye terence]

Aren't you a bit greedy??? :eek:

well, i am american.:p

[EPbabe]

In all seriousness, I don't think it's a US vs. UK problem. It's more about open-mindedness, and travelling can really help there. Knowing other countries and their people can really open you up and make you more tolerant.

[lightupvirginmary]

I think I love you (sorry, MLE).

It's OK, you can love me without his approval. ;)
I thought I was going to get slated for this post... it must be coming soon (oh yeah the americans probably aren't up yet...!) :D

[Sharron Needles]

In all seriousness, I don't think it's a US vs. UK problem. It's more about open-mindedness, and travelling can really help there. Knowing other countries and their people can really open you up and make you more tolerant.

http://deadon.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/group-hug.jpg

[EPbabe]

http://deadon.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/group-hug.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii30/leatweety1989/rotfl.jpg


And also EWWWWWWWWW! :p

[Scarlet Ibis]

Bit late here, but I feel obliged to comment. You're coming off a bit... whiney.
Firstly; England doesn't give a shit that you're upset with it. It's not England's fault you're fat, even if you do have a 'medical problem'. You've admitted your fat, and some horrible child pointed it out. You should have told him to go fuck himself. I'm fat and no one has ever called me it on the street. Were you talking really loudly? Wearing a bum bag? This might have contributed to the problem. Living in fear of the next insult is ridiculous, live in fear of getting stabbed instead. It's probably just as likely here.
Second; just because you had a hard time in the uk doesn't mean what english people say about americans is wrong, just that we shouldn't make sweeping generalisations, as you have.
I have NEVER heard an English person talk on the tube as loud as I have an American. Ever. And there are a lot more English people in London than American, so you do the maths.
Yeah we are not scared of swear words. We are not brow-beaten by our government either, thank (the entirely non-existent) god. Yes we have worse customer service than Americans, thats not a myth. That's a fact. Where do you think the Little Britain 'computer says no' sketch comes from?
Chavs are everywhere, it's true. Stupid teenagers, oh yes. If you judge a whole nation based on people under 16, then you're the idiot, not them (or us).
We ARE obsessed with celebrity culture. It's a welcome diversion from living in grotty London. We like CHOCOLATE too and that's because we have the best chocolate on earth. And the best crisps. Just look at all those flavours. Mmm. This is why I'm fat. At least I'm honest.
Honestly, I don't know what people expect London to be. It's a greasy, filthy, chicken-shop strewn, expensive unpleasant place to live. It's one bonus is being highly multi-cultural and forward-thinking (for the most part). It has an amazing nightlife, if you can afford it. It has amazing things to do, if you can afford it. The rest of us just try not to get stabbed on the number 29 bus.
ps. what nugz said was true, you're like one of those people who go to glastonbury and make a thousand posts on the glastonbury messageboard going 'how much spending money do I need? where shall I camp?' Just go, do a bunch of drugs, and see where the mood takes you!
That's good advice for life in general, I find.

Hardass people like you sicken me. I'm so glad that the assholes of the world still shock me. It means that I haven't become one of them.

Also, "At least I'm honest." Fuck you! You go ahead and be fat due to your piggishness, but that's not my situation and how dare you insinuate that I'm lying about it.

And these people weren't under 16. They were in their 20s. Not that that matters to you, since you seem to be one of them and probably always will be no matter what your age.

[cornelius blaze]

In all seriousness, I don't think it's a US vs. UK problem. It's more about open-mindedness, and travelling can really help there. Knowing other countries and their people can really open you up and make you more tolerant.

to hell with that, bloody foreigners :p

[EPbabe]

to hell with that, bloody foreigners :p

I'm foreigner and proud. :cool: :p

[I am a Ghost]

I thought there was a "special relationship" :(

[Sharron Needles]

Hardass people like you sicken me. I'm so glad that the assholes of the world still shock me. It means that I haven't become one of them.

Also, "At least I'm honest." Fuck you! You go ahead and be fat due to your piggishness, but that's not my situation and how dare you insinuate that I'm lying about it.

And these people weren't under 16. They were in their 20s. Not that that matters to you, since you seem to be one of them and probably always will be no matter what your age.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/wine/graphics/2006/11/11/stew.jpg

[Scarlet Ibis]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/wine/graphics/2006/11/11/stew.jpg

I wish great pain upon you.

[lightupvirginmary]

Hardass people like you sicken me. I'm so glad that the assholes of the world still shock me. It means that I haven't become one of them.

Also, "At least I'm honest." Fuck you! You go ahead and be fat due to your piggishness, but that's not my situation and how dare you insinuate that I'm lying about it.

And these people weren't under 16. They were in their 20s. Not that that matters to you, since you seem to be one of them and probably always will be no matter what your age.

Have you left the country yet? Here's hoping.
Ps. I'm not that fat, I was just trying to make you feel better. :D

[Sharron Needles]

I wish great pain upon you.

Does it bother you even more that I would probably enjoy it?:p

[nugz]

what nugz said was true, you're like one of those people who go to glastonbury and make a thousand posts on the glastonbury messageboard going 'how much spending money do I need? where shall I camp?' Just go, do a bunch of drugs, and see where the mood takes you!
That's good advice for life in general, I find.

hahaha. if i ever visit London, can I come find you? we'll do lots of drugs and listen to Conor!! :guitar:

[Black_Eyed_Sioux]

All the American tourists I have met, I have found to be loud, obnoxious and extremely rude.

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[bogdana]

the whole americans being hated by brits is such snobbish old hat. its boring now. and to be honest, when I was in europe for a month, and watched the news, I see why the "americans are stupid fatties" stereotypes lives on so well in the UK and France and Germany. The newspeople from these countries were deliberately seeking out most totally idiotic people to put on television. I couldn't believe the folks the european newspeople would interview. And they went to obscure, middle-south areas of the US, where most people dont even have a GED. Of course Brits think we're arrogant assholes, if this and Disney World visits are the best representations of us that they've encountered. :mad:

The worst interview I remember is when I was in France, and BBC went to some swamp city, population 200, in Louisiana, and asked what they thought of the war. GEE, what do you think they fat guy with a trucker hat and no teeth said "I SAY WE BOMB EM ALL! YEE HAW!" I almost died.

[EPbabe]

the whole americans being hated by brits is such old hat. its boring now.

Yes, and it's not true, cause you are hated by everyone, not only the brits. :p

JUST KIDDING!

I was trying to be reasonable on here with my posts.:rolleyes:

[lightupvirginmary]

hahaha. if i ever visit London, can I come find you? we'll do lots of drugs and listen to Conor!! :guitar:

Yes! I will show you where the cool kids hang out (obviously not somewhere Scarlet Ibis was let in) ;)

[Black_Eyed_Sioux]

the whole americans being hated by brits is such snobbish old hat. its boring now. and to be honest, when I was in europe for a month, and watched the news, the newspeople deliberately seeks out totally idiotic people to put on television. I couldn't believe the folks the european newspeople would interview. And then went to obscure, middle-south areas where most people dont even have a GED.

Well, we hate the Icelanders now, so...

And what's a GED? Generic Eating Diploma?:guitar: (I'm very hate-filled today, because I'm in bed ill, and it's sunny outside :()

[bogdana]

Well, we hate the Icelanders now, so...

And what's a GED? Generic Eating Diploma?:guitar: (I'm very hate-filled today, because I'm in bed ill, and it's sunny outside :()

general education development (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GED), or as we call it 'good enough diploma'. if you drop out of school you can go back and get it, its a high school diploma equivalent.

[Sharron Needles]

Well, we hate the Icelanders now, so...

And what's a GED? Generic Eating Diploma?:guitar: (I'm very hate-filled today, because I'm in bed ill, and it's sunny outside :()

It's the General Educational Development test. It's what you take in high school in the US or Canada to get out early, or to finish later on if you had dropped out. It's like supposed to be the equivalent of a high school diploma.

[Black_Eyed_Sioux]

general education diploma, or as we call it 'good enough diploma'. if you drop out of school you can go back and get it, its a high school diploma equivalent.

Yes, I'm aware...It was an ill man's attempt at humour *Feebly scratches new material on recycled paper*

[bogdana]

Yes, I'm aware...It was an ill man's attempt at humour *Feebly scratches new material on recycled paper*

well i figured you dont have GEDs where you are :D

[Sharron Needles]

Yes, I'm aware...It was an ill man's attempt at humour *Feebly scratches new material on recycled paper*

They're very popular in prison.

[bogdana]

They're very popular in prison.

So is astroglide and Jesus.

[Black_Eyed_Sioux]

well i figured you dont have GEDs where you are :D

Not in my house! :mad:

[Sharron Needles]

So is astroglide and Jesus.

You can't get Astroglide in prison!

[HIM]

What about all other nationalities should they bugger off too?

England is a memory now. The gates are flooded and anybody can have access to England and join in. Although I don't have anything against people from other countries, the higher the influx into England the more the British identity disappears. So the price is enormous. Travel to England and you have no idea where you are. It matters because the British identity is very attractive. I grew up into it and I find it very quaint and amusing. Other countries have held on to their basic identity, yet it seems to me that England was thrown away.

You can't say, 'Everybody come into my house, sit on the bed, have what you like, do what you like.' It wouldn't work.

Whatever England is now, it's not what it was and it's lamentable that we've lost so much.

[mozmic_dancer]

First of all, great thread. Some insightful comments here. Take what you will.

Scarlett, I noticed that you planned out one hell of an itinerary for yourself. I wonder what with all the places you visited, is it possible that you may have spent most of your vacation either in a car or train? Traveling to and fro eats up a lot of time and sometimes one's disposition and health end up failing due to the stress of trying to "see everything" in such a short period of time. If that was the case, then take it as a learning experience and next time simplify your itinerary. Manchester and London was more than enough.

It's also good to remember that people, regardless of the country are not obligated to roll out the red carpet for you and be on their best behavior just because you are on vacation. For most of the population, a day is just like any other day; people are just trying to get to work, go home, and do their errands. I see tourist every day in Times Square trying to stop people on the street to ask questions about where this and that is and the truth is most people can't be bothered. They have their own lives and places to get to. It's not a reflection of an entire nation or culture; it just life in a busy metropolitan city. Foul attitudes and bad manners run amuck.

Yet, if you plan wisely and research enough from good authority (guide books, travel magazines, etc.) you'll be OK. Vacation was meant to be time to unwind and experience a "different" culture from your own. I put different in quotes because people in general are really not that different.

Live and learn. Next time, enjoy a Cadbury bar. :p

[Barking]

Hey HIM, Steven also said:

The English and the French will never get along.

Well he should see how the Americans and the Brits are getting along on this thread!

6337

(Any popcorn left?)

He also said: that tunnel will collapse.
Ha ha! Steven! It just caught fire.

[EPbabe]

First of all, great thread. Some insightful comments here. Take what you will....

I agree with the rest of your comment too but mainly with this one. ^^^

[Hellie]

I thought there was a "special relationship" :(

Hahaha very funny.:D:D

Look will someone pretty please upload Harry Enfields Americans from you tube.......the one where they are saying "hallo,how are you today" to the muslim lady in a Burkha.Simply because my crappy computer doesn't work properly and give us all a good laugh.

[Cassius]

Also, "At least I'm honest." Fuck you! You go ahead and be fat due to your piggishness, but that's not my situation and how dare you insinuate that I'm lying about it.


Piggishness? I think you're becoming as rude as the English!

You opened up a can of worms in this thread and you know it.

[mozmic_dancer]

I agree with the rest of your comment too but mainly with this one. ^^^

:p Well, you see, most people stop reading my posts after the first one or two sentences, so I got to make those first two count.

[Cassius]

:p Well, you see, most people stop reading my posts after the first one or two sentances, so I got to make those first two count.

I read the whole thing!

[girlunafraid]

England is a memory now. The gates are flooded and anybody can have access to England and join in. Although I don't have anything against people from other countries, the higher the influx into England the more the British identity disappears. So the price is enormous. Travel to England and you have no idea where you are. It matters because the British identity is very attractive. I grew up into it and I find it very quaint and amusing. Other countries have held on to their basic identity, yet it seems to me that England was thrown away.

You can't say, 'Everybody come into my house, sit on the bed, have what you like, do what you like.' It wouldn't work.

Whatever England is now, it's not what it was and it's lamentable that we've lost so much.


Aye but he should have added if you want the real true old British culture bugger off to the Costa Del Crime in Spain, there you can get pie n mash & jellied eels & a pint of double diamond, whilst they have a sing-song round the old joanna in the Red Lion then later watch the Hammers on the $ky tv. Fuck off give me a mushroom dopiaza & a bottle or 2 of old perculier then down to the scottish red lion & watch the City stuff the hammers on $ky tv etc. I no where I belong! :D
Edinburgh, England is my home!

love

Grim

[lightupvirginmary]

Piggishness? I think you're becoming as rude as the English!

You opened up a can of worms in this thread and you know it.

Oink! SI obviously didn't try the new /old style Monster Munch whilst she was here, that would have chaged things drastically. YUM! :D

[iamkali62]

Godamn! Why don't you all leave this woman ALONE? Hasn't she been through enough without being ripped to shreds by people like Ms. Needles? Everyone believes Morrissey fans to be full of love and acceptance, but it's always the opposite here. People rip other innocent people to shreds over very personal matters. I say Bravo to Scarlet, who was only voicing her opinion. Everyone has a weakness, an Achilles (sic) heel. No one is perfect and yet some of you act so self righteous. Leave Scarlet alone. :mad:

[mozmic_dancer]

I read the whole thing!

You DID? :eek: and you lived to tell me about it?

I'm impressed. :p

But, gratuitous smilies aside, what needs to be said here (so, I'm saying it) is that traveling and internet blogs will only provide a spec of insight to how people really live and their attitudes to certain things. To really understand a culture, you really must live there for certain amount of time. Only then, you can pick up all the little nuiances and character of a culture.

Visiting a country is nice. Meeting people is usually nice and chatting on the Web but, most of the time, it's all bullshit. No nationality has the monopoly on that, either.

[iamkali62]

Aye but he should have added if you want the real true old British culture bugger off to the Costa Del Crime in Spain, there you can get pie n mash & jellied eels & a pint of double diamond, whilst they have a sing-song round the old joanna in the Red Lion then later watch the Hammers on the $ky tv. Fuck off give me a mushroom dopiaza & a bottle or 2 of old perculier then down to the scottish red lion & watch the City stuff the hammers on $ky tv etc. I no where I belong! :D
Edinburgh, England is my home!

love

Grim

What do jellied eels taste like?

[EPbabe]

Godamn! Why don't you all leave this woman ALONE? Hasn't she been through enough without being ripped to shreds by people like Ms. Needles? Everyone believes Morrissey fans to be full of love and acceptance, but it's always the opposite here. People rip other innocent people to shreds over very personal matters. I say Bravo to Scarlet, who was only voicing her opinion. Everyone has a weakness, an Achilles (sic) heel. No one is perfect and yet some of you act so self righteous. Leave Scarlet alone. :mad:

So was voicing her opinion and so was I.

Sorry, I remembered something else. I wanted to say that altough I don't agree with Scarlet, I kind of admire her for coming forward with her post, despite that she possibly knew she was going to be bashed for it.

[mozzette]

No, two weeks in England doesn't make me an expert, but I think I have a pretty good overview.


Sorry to be harsh but no, you don't.

[dothewatusi]

'First of all, great thread. Some insightful comments here. Take what you will..."


I agree with the rest of your comment too but mainly with this one. ^^^

Me, too. In responding to ScarletIbis's initial post, most of the comments here are reasonable, thoughtful, logical, and dare I say, amusing. It's obvious that SI is over reacting. Period. We all do it one time or another, just maybe not in such a public forum. That being said, my desire to visit dear old Blighty hasn't diminished one iota. ;)

[EPbabe]

'First of all, great thread. Some insightful comments here. Take what you will..."



Me, too. In responding to ScarletIbis's initial post, most of the comments here are reasonable, thoughtful, logical, and dare I say, amusing. It's obvious that SI is over reacting. Period. We all do it one time or another, just maybe not in such a public forum. That being said, my desire to visit dear old Blighty hasn't diminished one iota. ;)

Halleluja! And it shouldn't have. ;)

I understand the English being upset by Scarlet's initial post but as I said before, it's not really about Americans vs. English. She probably would've had similar experiences anywhere else too. Worsen by the fact that she doesn't speak the language, so after all it wasn't THAT bad.

[sistasheila]

Definitely!
Loads of people get picked on for the way they look everywhere. People get stabbed for being different;?
this is the case in germany too and Im sure everywhere else
even though the encounters I or others I know have got from are mostly teenagers who need to look tough in front of their friends and who wouldnt say a word to anyone when they are alone.


People get stabbed for being different
wasnt some man in the US in a greyhound bus get stabbed recently for..yeah ...why?

[Voodoo Doll]

I have not been happy with England for the last 30 years I've lived here. Its crap. Its cold. Its wet. And its expensive.:mad: I am from the North and I can honestly say I dont recall anybody EVER just passing the time of day or being nice for no reason in Manchester OR London. They do in the small town where I live, just not the cities.

I thought New York was going to be a shit hole to be honest before we went last year, like London but a million times worse. It wasnt, it was amazing. I couldnt believe how many people (in shops, cafes, security & even just on the street) were so nice and wanted to chat. A girl stopped me in the street just to say she loved my shoes, staff in Starbucks were forever giving us freebies when they heard us speak and everyone in shops & bars wanted to know about where we were from in England (I soon learned to say Liverpool instead of Manchester as many new yorkers seem more impressed by this cos of the Beatles!)... America rocks and England sucks. Scarlett is right :) Thats why Moz isnt here any more.

[Paulc]

I have not been happy with England for the last 30 years I've lived here. Its crap. Its cold. Its wet. And its expensive.:mad: I am from the North and I can honestly say I dont recall anybody EVER just passing the time of day or being nice for no reason in Manchester OR London. They do in the small town where I live, just not the cities.

I thought New York was going to be a shit hole to be honest before we went last year, like London but a million times worse. It wasnt, it was amazing. I couldnt believe how many people (in shops, cafes, security & even just on the street) were so nice and wanted to chat. A girl stopped me in the street just to say she loved my shoes, staff in Starbucks were forever giving us freebies when they heard us speak and everyone in shops & bars wanted to know about where we were from in England (I soon learned to say Liverpool instead of Manchester as many new yorkers seem more impressed by this cos of the Beatles!)... America rocks and England sucks. Scarlett is right :) Thats why Moz isnt here any more.

when are you leaving?

[Voodoo Doll]

when are you leaving?

As soon as my numbers come up :pray: I have realised though that I have done England a disservice. One time in Liverpool I dropped my purse and a young lad ran up behind me and gave it back to me. :eek: Another time I was struggling with a car park payment machine (in Liverpool again) and a passer by stopped and asked if I was OK. Yeah, Liverpool's OK and the football is pretty good too. Now you've made me think about the things I love here and scousers are up there!

[Je Suis Julie]

I hate seeing people I like fight, even cyber-ly.

*hugs* Scarlet, you sound homesick and travel weary. With time you'll remember more of the good than the bad.

I think we can all agree: No country is perfect and mean people suck.

[IDon'tOweYouAnything23]

As soon as my numbers come up :pray: I have realised though that I have done England a disservice. One time in Liverpool I dropped my purse and a young lad ran up behind me and gave it back to me. :eek:

Hey don't be so surprised! :p Us scousers aren't really a bad bunch :o :p


Another time I was struggling with a car park payment machine (in Liverpool again) and a passer by stopped and asked if I was OK. Yeah, Liverpool's OK and the football is pretty good too. Now you've made me think about the things I love here and scousers are up there!

come back to Liverpool then! :p

[girlunafraid]

What do jellied eels taste like?

I dunno, the very thought of them makes me wretch tbh, does any of the london/southern wallahs know owt abaht them eels?

love

Grim

[EPbabe]

I dunno, the very thought of them makes me wretch tbh, does any of the london/southern wallahs know owt abaht them eels?

love

Grim

They look awful, Rick Stein tried to convince me to taste them, no ways! Eww! :sick:

[The Cat's Mother]

I dunno, the very thought of them makes me wretch tbh, does any of the london/southern wallahs know owt abaht them eels?

love

Grim

My husband is from Darn Sarth. He's had jellied eels and he says they were "woody, fishy and earthy". Super!

[cornelius blaze]

I dunno, the very thought of them makes me wretch tbh, does any of the london/southern wallahs know owt abaht them eels?

love

Grim

never seen them or tasted them, as it is East End of London delicacy.

[Voodoo Doll]

come back to Liverpool then! :p

Yeah! Better than Camden any day ;)

[Renia]

Why are you so excited about Cardiff? :eek:
Doctor Who.
:D

my dad and his gf are making jokes on how they'll have to keep me in chains incase I see David Tennant.

psshh.

[Sharron Needles]

Godamn! Why don't you all leave this woman ALONE? Hasn't she been through enough without being ripped to shreds by people like Ms. Needles? Everyone believes Morrissey fans to be full of love and acceptance, but it's always the opposite here. People rip other innocent people to shreds over very personal matters. I say Bravo to Scarlet, who was only voicing her opinion. Everyone has a weakness, an Achilles (sic) heel. No one is perfect and yet some of you act so self righteous. Leave Scarlet alone. :mad:
First of all, when and where did I rip her to shreds? Because I thought this thread was becoming popcorn worthy? You won't be able to find one single example in this thread where I ripped anyone to shreds.

Second of all, after posting here for like 9 years, most everyone here knows I am a dude, so get with it Colleen! :p

[Arsenal]

Godamn! Why don't you all leave this woman ALONE? Hasn't she been through enough without being ripped to shreds by people like Ms. Needles?

Oh yes, the poor thing got called out as a fatty by a few English kids (which would NEVER happen in America, btw) and now she's all hurt and England is the devil's asshole. Boo hoo.

[nugz]

everyone in shops & bars wanted to know about where we were from in England (I soon learned to say Liverpool instead of Manchester as many new yorkers seem more impressed by this cos of the Beatles!)

haha, thats cute!!

when I was a server in Philly, I had a table once and I noticed they had accents. so I asked them where they were from and the guy was like "Manchester." and I was like "that's where Morrissey is from!!!" and hes like "haha yes. I played How Soon is Now in the jukebox too!" (only smiths song in there :rolleyes:) but yeah, it was probably the first and only time they got that on their trip, I'd assume. :)

[Kilt Uncle]

I told you, come to Scotland! We are just as rude, but it's unlikely that you'd understand our heavy accent so you wouldn't know if we were being rude or not...:)

[Amy]

First of all, when and where did I rip her to shreds? Because I thought this thread was becoming popcorn worthy? You won't be able to find one single example in this thread where I ripped anyone to shreds.

Second of all, after posting here for like 9 years, most everyone here knows I am a dude, so get with it Colleen! :p

I didn't :eek: :o

[Amy]

I told you, come to Scotland! We are just as rude, but it's unlikely that you'd understand our heavy accent so you wouldn't know if we were being rude or not...:)

That is actually very very true :(

[Kilt Uncle]

That is actually very very true :(

You can understand an Australian accent but you can't understand people who are 200 miles from you...:(:p

ebagum...:)

[Amy]

You can understand an Australian accent but you can't understand people who are 200 miles from you...:(:p

ebagum...:)

Yeah, but the man I met from Glasgow had the most severe accent I have ever heard, it was like an entirely different language when he spoke, and all I understood all night was, "Amy, what are you drinking" and "Yorkshire is shit" :o

[Kilt Uncle]

Yeah, but the man I met from Glasgow had the most severe accent I have ever heard, it was like an entirely different language when he spoke, and all I understood all night was, "Amy, what are you drinking" and "Yorkshire is shit" :o

Lucky person, you must have met the Mayor of Glasgow...:) I find most accents easy to understand. I think it's just a question of training your ear.

He probably spoke very quickly. That can be a problem..:)

[vicarinatutugal]

Godamn! Why don't you all leave this woman ALONE? Hasn't she been through enough without being ripped to shreds by people like Ms. Needles? Everyone believes Morrissey fans to be full of love and acceptance, but it's always the opposite here. People rip other innocent people to shreds over very personal matters. I say Bravo to Scarlet, who was only voicing her opinion. Everyone has a weakness, an Achilles (sic) heel. No one is perfect and yet some of you act so self righteous. Leave Scarlet alone. :mad:

she made the thread for goodness sake kali! Make a thread here and you will get discussion, good and bad you know that as does scarlet. Once she gets home I hope she has some nice positive memories of her trip and its not totally ruined, but I agree with another comment on this thread they seem to have been going non stop they prob will need a holiday when they get home.

[hatfull]

I dunno, the very thought of them makes me wretch tbh, does any of the london/southern wallahs know owt abaht them eels?

love

Grim
I used to work in a pub by a fishmongers, and one of the customers' used to bring in Jellied eels to eat :sick: they looked vile. The eel itself looked ok, but the bone was fucking huge, and I have a real thing about fish bones :sick: if I'm eating fish and I spy a bone, I have to stop eating it, they just make me gag.

[vicarinatutugal]

The Welsh:)

my sister in law to be is welsh and I sometimes can barely understand a word she says. :rolleyes: I also notice after nearly 7 years living in Wales his lovely scottish accent is getting lengthened out with some welshy words and inflections. :mad:

:p

[hatfull]

Lucky person, you must have met the Mayor of Glasgow...:) I find most accents easy to understand. I think it's just a question of training your ear.

He probably spoke very quickly. That can be a problem..:)
Before we got married, hubby lived in Scotland for a while, and I asked someone for help at a train station in Scotland. He was very nice, but spoke so quickly I didn't have a clue what he was talking about! i wouldn't mind so much, but my Auntie's Scottish! :o

[vicarinatutugal]

I wish great pain upon you.

scarlet! oh my goodness guys, this whole thread has gone from a pretty fair moan to people wishing pain on each other. :eek:

*shakes head*

come on, lets calm down eh?

[Kilt Uncle]

Before we got married, hubby lived in Scotland for a while, and I asked someone for help at a train station in Scotland. He was very nice, but spoke so quickly I didn't have a clue what he was talking about! i wouldn't mind so much, but my Auntie's Scottish! :o

I think it just depends on how clear people are, maybe men speak deeper and are harder to understand.

When i was last in London, i asked direction on the Tube and the Woman told me she had been to Cologne, thinking i was German...:)

Oh well..:)

[hatfull]

I think it just depends on how clear people are, maybe men speak deeper and are harder to understand.

When i was last in London, i asked direction on the Tube and the Woman told me she had been to Cologne, thinking i was German...:)

Oh well..:)
I dunno. i think he just spoke quickly!

[oye terence]

i can only imagine if she had gone to scotland, what would have been said.:p

*runs and hides*

[vicarinatutugal]

i can only imagine if she had gone to scotland, what would have been said.:p

*runs and hides*

what a lovely, tranquil place. Delightful, friendly people. Or something like that. :)

[oye terence]

what a lovely, tranquil place. Delightful, friendly people. Or something like that. :)

i have only seen scotland one day in my life, when i go to the u.k. next spring i plan on spending at least a few days there.

[Kilt Uncle]

I dunno. i think he just spoke quickly!

I tend to mumble anyways, that can be a problem too...:)


i can only imagine if she had gone to scotland, what would have been said.:p

*runs and hides*

Actually we like women with big shoulders over here, it means that the woman can pull the Cart when the horse gets lame....:p

[oye terence]

I tend to mumble anyways, that can be a problem too...:)



Actually we like women with big shoulders over here, it means that the woman can pull the Cart when the horse gets lame....:p

hahaha wow :p

[vicarinatutugal]

hahaha wow :p

he is sleeping with the horse tonight... :rolleyes: :p

[sweet and tender hooligan]

I dunno. i think he just spoke quickly!

Must have been from Dundee:rolleyes:.

[Cassius]

scarlet! oh my goodness guys, this whole thread has gone from a pretty fair moan to people wishing pain on each other. :eek:

*shakes head*

come on, lets calm down eh?

I thought that was a terrible thing to say as well, over a freaking popcorn picture. :rolleyes:

[Kilt Uncle]

he is sleeping with the horse tonight... :rolleyes: :p

Shhh! We must show a united front while the English are tearing themselves apart..:p

[iamkali62]

First of all, when and where did I rip her to shreds? Because I thought this thread was becoming popcorn worthy? You won't be able to find one single example in this thread where I ripped anyone to shreds.

Second of all, after posting here for like 9 years, most everyone here knows I am a dude, so get with it Colleen! :p

YOU "get with it" Sharron.

[Corrissey]

I had a great time in England, I met some fantastic people... which is a lot more than I can say for France :rolleyes:

[Scarlet Ibis]

I have not been happy with England for the last 30 years I've lived here. Its crap. Its cold. Its wet. And its expensive.:mad: I am from the North and I can honestly say I dont recall anybody EVER just passing the time of day or being nice for no reason in Manchester OR London. They do in the small town where I live, just not the cities.

I thought New York was going to be a shit hole to be honest before we went last year, like London but a million times worse. It wasnt, it was amazing. I couldnt believe how many people (in shops, cafes, security & even just on the street) were so nice and wanted to chat. A girl stopped me in the street just to say she loved my shoes, staff in Starbucks were forever giving us freebies when they heard us speak and everyone in shops & bars wanted to know about where we were from in England (I soon learned to say Liverpool instead of Manchester as many new yorkers seem more impressed by this cos of the Beatles!)... America rocks and England sucks. Scarlett is right :) Thats why Moz isnt here any more.

That's wonderful and everything, but I wasn't saying that England sucks. I wasn't even saying that it's worse than America, because I don't think it is in many ways. I was just saying that it's not as far above America as every English person I've ever met would have me believe. And many people are MEAN here. "Taking the piss" is just a fun way of saying that people are harsh and mean at times.

But I still love England. I just know now that there is a lot of hypocrisy going on.

[IDon'tOweYouAnything23]

Yeah! Better than Camden any day ;)

Yeah it is, by far! ;)

[cornelius blaze]

That's wonderful and everything, but I wasn't saying that England sucks. I wasn't even saying that it's worse than America, because I don't think it is in many ways. I was just saying that it's not as far above America as every English person I've ever met would have me believe. And many people are MEAN here. "Taking the piss" is just a fun way of saying that people are harsh and mean at times.

But I still love England. I just know now that there is a lot of hypocrisy going on.

You should of wrote & started this thread when you wasn't so angry about everything. It would of made more sense to really spell it out that you saw a lot of double standards and hypocrisy, in the title of the thread and your rant at the beginning. People think you are being over sensitive and a little naive and ignorant with some silly misconceptions about the UK and the people here.

Who are these people you've meet that tell you how great their country (England) is? I am constantly meeting and working with people who say that to me, who from Australia, New Zealand, Poland, Portugal. Like i meet people telling me how great their part of the British isle is compared to London.

I do still think there was a degree of hypocrisy to your 1st post about food and the obsession about celebrities (aren't we on a website for a popstar?).
your views on gangs of teenagers wouldn't of been much different if you had been here 10,20 years ago or in fact your trip to Camden 10, 20 years ago.

Our high streets are littered with fast food restaurants from one country, called the USA. If you go into a corner shop you will only be able (more or less) to buy newspaper, magazines & confectionery. Healthy foods for a snack can be located in supermarkets. It isn't that hard, well not in London or other major cities. Yep we drink a lot here, we have pubs on every street, why is that a surprise?

if you want a source of someone being 'mean' and taking the piss out of America....please listen to track one on "you are the Quarry".

[Cassius]

Our high streets are littered with fast food restaurants from one country, called the USA.

You're welcome. ;)

[ThisCharmingGirl]

Aye but he should have added if you want the real true old British culture bugger off to the Costa Del Crime in Spain, there you can get pie n mash & jellied eels & a pint of double diamond, whilst they have a sing-song round the old joanna in the Red Lion then later watch the Hammers on the $ky tv. Fuck off give me a mushroom dopiaza & a bottle or 2 of old perculier then down to the scottish red lion & watch the City stuff the hammers on $ky tv etc. I no where I belong! :D
Edinburgh, England is my home!

love

Grim

All "the best of Britain" is down here.

http://costadelcrime.blogspot.com/

So don't complain Scarlet, it could have been worse :rolleyes:

[cornelius blaze]

You're welcome. ;)

Not so much Wendys though:p And only a few places have Crispy Creme donuts. We don't have Tacobell.

I do think as a token between our great countries ( I mean in greatness, UK is first and the USA 2nd:p) you can take some of our Kebab shops:sick:



All "the best of Britain" is down here.

http://costadelcrime.blogspot.com/

So don't complain Scarlet, it could have been worse :rolleyes:

I do think the best of Britain is here, writing on this thread...**points to my avatar:D***

[cornelius blaze]

what a lovely, tranquil place. Delightful, friendly people. Or something like that. :)


no it isn't, I've watched Trainspotting:p

[Walter Ego]

We got your visit on cctv..

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sEEx3oUuiII

[ThisCharmingGirl]

I do think the best of Britain is here, writing on this thread...**points to my avatar:D***

You are the best of Britain without the " ", there's a difference ;)

[cornelius blaze]

You are the best of Britain without the " ", there's a difference ;)


Woo Hooo. my ego is restored:D

[Musley]

I've been upset with England for years and I'm English. If you have several hours to spare I could tell you all the things that are wrong with the place. At least you can go back to you own beloved country. I'm stuck here!

[Barking]

I had a great time in England, I met some fantastic people... which is a lot more than I can say for France :rolleyes:

(I would normally reply something clever but I'm too busy with popcorn right now. Nice try though.:cool:)

And now, back to the Uncle Sam vs Auntie Blighty match. And please try to make it bloody.:D

Then we can organize a Scotland vs Wales or summat! Yayyyyyyyyy! Have we got a Welsh fan? You up for that, Kilt? I'd like to hear you about Welsh horses.:horny:


This thread doesn't have to stop! The world is our playground!

[Hellie]

As regards the "gangs of teenagers" mentioned ...this is quite topical to me just now as i help with our local youth club.Our rather backwards seaside town has hoards of the blue -rinse brigade belly aching about such "hoards" and how intimidating they are.

This makes my blood just boil to the point where my head nearly explodes.Firstly if you see a gang of teenagers on our streets why does it follow that they are up to no good and have bad intentions.They are just a group of bored teenagers hanging out with each other (and if you lived here,believe me bored would take on a new meaning).

When you see a group of old people together outside the WI or the Sally army you don't think they are a posse of old folk intent on mugging you.

Also we English "take the piss" all the time.Taking the piss is light hearted banter that isn't even if it sounds mean meant to be mean.

I often get "here comes short arse" etc...I'm not going to take offence.Someone asked me when "I was due" once and I'd had the baby about a year.

[cornelius blaze]

I've been upset with England for years and I'm English. If you have several hours to spare I could tell you all the things that are wrong with the place. At least you can go back to you own beloved country. I'm stuck here!

Why are you upset with England? What are you doing about it? You can move freely in the EU, you don't have to live here...you could go and teach English somewhere, for example.

The only reason you are 'stuck' here is because of your own self confidence.

[cornelius blaze]

When you see a group of old people together outside the WI or the Sally army you don't think they are a posse of old folk intent on mugging you.

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comedy sketch from nearly 40 yrs ago

[Musley]

Why are you upset with England? What are you doing about it? You can move freely in the EU, you don't have to live here...you could go and teach English somewhere, for example.

The only reason you are 'stuck' here is because of your own self confidence.

Exactly, I don't have any:mad:

[sistasheila]

I told you, come to Scotland! We are just as rude, but it's unlikely that you'd understand our heavy accent so you wouldn't know if we were being rude or not...:)

That is actually very very true :(

I think it just depends on how clear people are, maybe men speak deeper and are harder to understand.
When i was last in London, i asked direction on the Tube and the Woman told me she had been to Cologne, thinking i was German...:)Oh well..:)

hmmm i could understand the edinburgh accent very very well and Im not even a native speaker:eek:
but i guess if i would have gone up north or to the islands the scottish accents would be harder to understand---even though vicar, i did understand you very well and youre living in the very north of scotland arent you:confused:


When i was last in London, i asked direction on the Tube and the Woman told me she had been to Cologne, thinking i was German...:)
someone told me also that the way scottish is pronounced reminds him of the german pronouncement.thts probably why ; KiIltuncle

[Kewpie]

hmmm i could understand the edinburgh accent very very well and Im not even a native speaker:eek:
but i guess if i would have gone up north or to the islands the scottish accents would be harder to understand---even though vicar, i did understand you very well and youre living in the very north of scotland arent you:confused:




Karin lives in north west of Scotland, island called Donoon, not north.

[iamkali62]

So was voicing her opinion and so was I.

Sorry, I remembered something else. I wanted to say that altough I don't agree with Scarlet, I kind of admire her for coming forward with her post, despite that she possibly knew she was going to be bashed for it.

EPbabe, I think it's awesome that even though you don't agree with Scarlet, at least you sort of admire her for coming forward with her post, despite that she probably knew she was going to be bashed for it. Why are Morrissey fans so clique-ish and elitist? This is supposed to be a forum where people talk about MORRISSEY and I am SURE he wouldn't be so cruel as the other posters here. No wonder he took David T to court!

[iamkali62]

Not so much Wendys though:p And only a few places have Crispy Creme donuts. We don't have Tacobell.

I do think as a token between our great countries ( I mean in greatness, UK is first and the USA 2nd:p) you can take some of our Kebab shops:sick:




I do think the best of Britain is here, writing on this thread...**points to my avatar:D***

Cornelius, you are not missing anything by not having a Taco Bell, trust me! Now, Krispy Kreme donuts are on another plane altogether....mmmm they melt in your mouth like a sugar fairy. You guys have : 7-11 ( which shocked the hell out of me when I went to find my hotel- it was jet lag and hangover) Wendy's is the best fast food - beats KFC and McDonalds! But I haven't eaten fast food in two years so what do I know?

[vicarinatutugal]

hmmm i could understand the edinburgh accent very very well and Im not even a native speaker:eek:
but i guess if i would have gone up north or to the islands the scottish accents would be harder to understand---even though vicar, i did understand you very well and youre living in the very north of scotland arent you:confused:

someone told me also that the way scottish is pronounced reminds him of the german pronouncement.thts probably why ; KiIltuncle

:) I am in the west SS http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Argyll_and_Bute_council.PNG/250px-Argyll_and_Bute_council.PNG :D

[vicarinatutugal]

EPbabe, I think it's awesome that even though you don't agree with Scarlet, at least you sort of admire her for coming forward with her post, despite that she probably knew she was going to be bashed for it. Why are Morrissey fans so clique-ish and elitist? This is supposed to be a forum where people talk about MORRISSEY and I am SURE he wouldn't be so cruel as the other posters here. No wonder he took David T to court!

Morrissey talks rudely about people ALL the time. As for the fact people are cliqueish or whatever, that is not the issue here, people can disagree with scarlet, just as you can agree with her.

[iamkali62]

First of all, when and where did I rip her to shreds? Because I thought this thread was becoming popcorn worthy? You won't be able to find one single example in this thread where I ripped anyone to shreds.

Second of all, after posting here for like 9 years, most everyone here knows I am a dude, so get with it Colleen! :p

God, I wish people would stop using my name! I had no idea you were a dude until yesterday! Trust me, I'll find it. :guitar:

[vicarinatutugal]

Karin lives in north west of Scotland, island called Donoon, not north.

its not an island :) it a peninsula:p

[girlunafraid]

its not an island :) it a peninsula:p

No man is an Island, how far from Ayr are you? We are off to Ayr next week btw!

love

Grim

[The Cat's Mother]

This is supposed to be a forum where people talk about MORRISSEY...


*whispers* We're in Off-Topic ;)

[Kewpie]

its not an island :) it a peninsula:p


Ooops, thanks for the correction.
I'm not very good at remembering geography. :o

[Buzzetta]

I had a relative that was so big that when everyone would go to the beach and he was in the deep water, we would USE him as an island. If you got tired and he was out there, you simply went and used him as a resting station.

To this day I wonder if we could have planted a palm tree in his belly button and raised a flag on him to declare sovereignty. He truly was an island.

[Kewpie]

God, I wish people would stop using my name! I had no idea you were a dude until yesterday! Trust me, I'll find it. :guitar:


You should send a PM to Sharron Needles if you don't want him to mention your name on the forums.

[iamkali62]

First of all, when and where did I rip her to shreds? Because I thought this thread was becoming popcorn worthy? You won't be able to find one single example in this thread where I ripped anyone to shreds.

Second of all, after posting here for like 9 years, most everyone here knows I am a dude, so get with it Colleen! :p

Okay, okay. I don't want to waste my Saturday trying to locate your post. My apologies. But don't call me Colleen if you don't know me. Thanks. And I'm sorry that I jumped to conclusions.

[iamkali62]

You should send a PM to Sharron Needles if you don't want him to mention your name on the forums.

Kewpie, I have been on this site since 1998 and it seems EVERYONE knows my name and I never even mentioned it. Blame BG for it. Oh how I wish you would see fit to ban him. :mad:

[The Cat's Mother]

I had a relative that was so big that when everyone would go to the beach and he was in the deep water, we would USE him as an island. If you got tired and he was out there, you simply went and used him as a resting station.

To this day I wonder if we could have planted a palm tree in his belly button and raised a flag on him to declare sovereignty. He truly was an island.

You did well to refrain from that flag raising. He'd probably have declared independence by now and be demanding compensation for your colonial wickedness.

[I am a Ghost]

Okay, okay. I don't want to waste my Saturday trying to locate your post. My apologies. But don't call me Colleen if you don't know me. Thanks. And I'm sorry that I jumped to conclusions.

Colleen means "girl", maybe he meant it generically ;)

[vicarinatutugal]

*whispers* We're in Off-Topic ;)

heheh quite right.

Ooops, thanks for the correction.
I'm not very good at remembering geography. :o

I was just kidding at you, but you would be surprised the amount of people who think we are an island, some places charge extra for delivery of goods things like that it is annoying. I am rubbish with geography as well, even within scotland lol :p

[iamkali62]

*whispers* We're in Off-Topic ;)*whispers* oh, right. But ...but...oh well I'll never learn :o) How are you, you sassy bint?:D