Pushing and shoving at the Mozza gig - May 1st 2006

[dom]

Hello all

I know i keep going on about this gig a lot, but remember your first ever Morrissey gig? Wasn't it the best feeling ever!? (let alone those of you lucky enough to have ever had the privelege to go to a Smiths gig!!) So hope i'm not pissing you all off too much with constant talk of the one i went to.

I was just wondering if anyone went to Mozza gig two years ago - Alexander Palace? If so, how was it for you? Also, what did you think of all the pushing and shoving? I was right at the front in the 'mosh pit' i guess you could call it (even for a Mozz gig)

I felt it did really spoil it quite a bit. I spent most of the time using my arms to shield my girlfriend from 20 stone men and other butchly blokes around her, plus trying to keep myself alive. My girlfriend caved in and had to be pulled over the barriers by the security guards cos she thought she was going to faint...and..this is the bit for me i can't believe. I had to fight my way out from the crowd...AS "HOW SOON NOW" BEGAN TO PLAY!!!!! ...But i was seriously convinced i would die..:eek: whimp Dom, lol. Saying all that, i will never forget it. Amazing amazing amazing!

Thoughts? Even if you wern't at the gig, what do you think of this kind of behaviour from us fans? Harmless fun, or spoiling fun?

Dom :guitar:

[Please]

Hmmm, i was pretty shocked at my first gig. If youa re standing in the first twenty or so rows then expect to get thrown about a bit.

[Sharron Needles]

well, I thought Ally Pally wasn't very bad at all, and I was dead front center. Earl's Court was a bit worse, even Halifax was rougher. But San Diego on Halloween in 1992, yes... I do remember thinking I was going to die, and I was about 5 back, then 10 back, and by the third song, in the back.

[dom]

well, I thought Ally Pally wasn't very bad at all, and I was dead front center. Earl's Court was a bit worse, even Halifax was rougher. But San Diego on Halloween in 1992, yes... I do remember thinking I was going to die, and I was about 5 back, then 10 back, and by the third song, in the back.

Lol, fair enough. Well, i would have been near you at ally pally, as i was at pretty much centre too. How lucky i qued at the left side door. i had no idea which side the stage was, and as the doors opened, i couldnt beleve my luck. and then i nearly died because of it, but i'll never look back :)

[Sharron Needles]

Lol, fair enough. Well, i would have been near you at ally pally, as i was at pretty much centre too.

Unless you are French, then probably not because they were surrounding me. In every direction.

[dom]

Unless you are French, then probably not because they were surrounding me. In every direction.

Heh heh, oh dear, how anoying. I just had overbearing sweaty men to deal with. Euch :sick:

[9 x Fined]

Been to about 10 shows all up. The real violent ones I think happened around the time of the 91-92 Moz hysteria. The ones I went to back then were pretty darn rough.

[fridaynightinoutpatients]

I have to say that this is the first time I connect with Dom- no offense. When attending my first Morrissey show, the moment I heard the opening strike of HSIN I went bonkers. I know many within this forum believe it is trite and over-played, but it plays my heart-strings and reflects both all that I am and have been. I pushed and shoved to be as close to HIM as a could. Thank you Moz for a moment that I WILL HOPEFULLY, NEVER FORGET! VIVA MOZ!

[liebe]

I've read stuff about Alexandra Palace being quite an agressive gig before but I have no idea why. I was on the barrier the whole night and I was actually pushed about less than usual. Although at the end a fat goth guy went a bit mad behind me and shoved into me.

Anyway, I don't think Morrissey gigs would be the same without the pushing and shoving.

[Jo Jo70]

I've read stuff about Alexandra Palace being quite an agressive gig before but I have no idea why. I was on the barrier the whole night and I was actually pushed about less than usual. Although at the end a fat goth guy went a bit mad behind me and shoved into me.

Anyway, I don't think Morrissey gigs would be the same without the pushing and shoving.

I have to say that I was actually hit by some guy at this gig, because I wouldn't give up my space near the front. :eek: What a charmer!

There was a bit of an aggressive vibe that night I seem to remember.

[boyvoyeur]

at the end of the day, your at the front of a gig, surrounded by 100's of people that adore morrissey. Its goin to get a bit physical. Every body that goes to the front should have the common sense to know this. If you dont like the "jostling", then stand at the back.

[Brel]

The shows are tame these days compared to the early solo ones. I just find that people complain more nowadays?

I maintain what I have said before. At a standing gig, everone pays the same to get in. The focus of the night is the stage at the front, so when Morrissey comes on, don't be surprised to find yourself pushed around.

I do like most people. I decide (depending on the support) when to arrive, then position myself as close to the stage as I can. 10 seconds into the first song, the floor space opens up anyway, so it turns into a stood up version of musical chairs anyway!

The most shocking behaviour I have seen, was at a seated gig. Julia just occupying the best seat she could, and refusing to move when the ticket holder arrived. She completely blanked them, as though they didn't exist. To me, that is far worse than a bit of pushing and shoving?

[Jose]

The most shocking behaviour I have seen, was at a seated gig. Julia just occupying the best seat she could, and refusing to move when the ticket holder arrived. She completely blanked them, as though they didn't exist. To me, that is far worse than a bit of pushing and shoving?

Was that at the Liverpool Philharmonic, May 2006?
Or has she done that more than once? :confused:

[Dave2006]

Heh heh, oh dear, how anoying. I just had overbearing sweaty men to deal with. Euch :sick:

That would be me then....sorry. Six foot four and seventeen stone, I don't take prisoners :)

Arrive late, start at the back, make your way forward. Second song in you're within a few people of the front, stay there and enjoy it, made it the front mid way through the gig.

It had been my first Morrissey gig sine the MEN a year or so before so had a lot of moshing to catch up on. But saw him the week after in Manc (Bridgewater Hall) very civilised seating - very exciting gig - pulled a wheelie on my motorbike outside because I was so happy. And then at Xmas saw him two nights at Gmex - moshed on the first night with a mate, stayed in the middle on the second night with my partner.

Looking forward to Roundhouse (Sunday) and Doncaster over the next few weeks

[lovemorrissey]

Heh heh, oh dear, how anoying. I just had overbearing sweaty men to deal with. Euch :sick:

It could be worse, it could be overbearing sweaty women. There was this big woman in the pit at the Gmex gig with a short dress on, she got lifted over the barrier by security and all I got was this big sweaty bum and thong right in my face!! The guy from Rocksteady had to shake the sweat from his hand!

[raincoated lover]

My first Moz show was December 6th? (or 5th can't remember) at Nottingham Ice Arena. We got there at about 5.30 and there were only about 5 people in the que! We were talking to an American lady who had followed the tour, (it wasn't Julia), and it was freezing cold. When we got in we ran to the front, much to the anger of the security guards, and maintained this position for the duration of the show. One of my favourite moments was at the end of a Kristeen Young song, no one clapped and I said to my friend accidentally loudly 'Well that was shit' to which she replied 'Keep your opinions to yourself'. That was quite funny. The setlist was brilliant, and the rushing and pushing was kept to quite a minimum. I think that the whole experience is likely to differ from that of Camden - expect 8 hour queing and extreme crowd testosterone.

[Paulc]

There is always a bit of pushing and shoving at the gigs but the worse thing i ever saw was at Reading festival 18months ago - there was some huge blond neanderthal guy on his own clearly completely out of his face pushing and shoving people out of his way - he was very big and no one really stood up to him until this one young girl confronted him and told him to stop - he then proceeded to punch her - and i mean properly! She was not only hurt but shocked as were all her mates - they carried her away. The guy then disappeared. I have never seen anything like it and sincerely hope he either wasnt a fan - just some thug at the festival.
To this day i regret not doing anything myself but he was much bigger than me!

[HIM]

It could be worse, it could be overbearing sweaty women. There was this big woman in the pit at the Gmex gig with a short dress on, she got lifted over the barrier by security and all I got was this big sweaty bum and thong right in my face!!

that must have been terrible.

[dom]

One of my favourite moments was at the end of a Kristeen Young song, no one clapped and I said to my friend accidentally loudly 'Well that was shit' to which she replied 'Keep your opinions to yourself'. That was quite funny.


lol! :D That's her name, had forgotten. Gosh she IS terrible isn't she! (saw her on Ringleaders tour supporting Mozza) It is the only time i have ever felt EMBARRASSED for someone at a professional performance It was cringing. There were very few people that held their tongue about her there too. Have you seen Sons and Daughters support Moz, they were at Ally Pally too as second support act, i quite liked them, put them on the internet jukebox at uni when i got back, cant remember which song i like from them, but they were ok. However, someone near me did shout out 'I want Morrissey' to which the lead singer heard and replied 'so do i, but i cant have him'

[raincoated lover]

lol! :D That's her name, had forgotten. Gosh she IS terrible isn't she! (saw her on Ringleaders tour supporting Mozza) It is the only time i have ever felt EMBARRASSED for someone at a professional performance It was cringing. There were very few people that held their tongue about her there too. Have you seen Sons and Daughters support Moz, they were at Ally Pally too as second support act, i quite liked them, put them on the internet jukebox at uni when i got back, cant remember which song i like from them, but they were ok. However, someone near me did shout out 'I want Morrissey' to which the lead singer heard and replied 'so do i, but i cant have him'

She was awful - complete style over substance. SHe couldn't decide whether she wanted to be Kate Bush, Bjork or David Bowie - so thought she'd have a pop at being miserable at all three. I have only seen Kristeen Young support Moz as this was my first and last gig, but from what I've heard Girl In A Coma are nothing to shout about.

[dom]

That would be me then....sorry. Six foot four and seventeen stone, I don't take prisoners :)

Looking forward to Roundhouse (Sunday) and Doncaster over the next few weeks

Lol, no worries, i think my girfriend may have had her face crushed against you back, i'm not sure, could have been anyone in that crush, lol :D

Cool cool, i shall look out for you on the Sunday, assuming you will be standing above the crowd :)

[smithsman]

If you dont want to get pushed about dont go down the front, the pushing and shoving at any gig is what makes them genuine. I certainly would not like to go to a Morrissey concert and everybody has to stand like status because of people like you. Again if you dont like the pushing dont go down the front ya boring fart.:guitar:

[essential]

At most of my previous Moz gigs I have been right down there in the centre of the "pit". At some of the smaller venues (Grimsby, Blackburn and Preston spring to mind) the pushing and shoving was bearable but at G-Mex I found myself completely out of control and just being carried around by the crowd. Birmingham, Earls Court and the Lowry were very different because we had seats (although our bums never touched them all night).

At the Roundhouse I am planning to stand as close as I can to the front but off to the side to see if it is a more pleasurable experience.

[dom]

I certainly would not like to go to a Morrissey concert and everybody has to stand like status because of people like you. Again if you dont like the pushing dont go down the front ya boring fart.:guitar:

Oi, who you talking about when you reference to 'people like you' i am only just putting a thought forward and my feelings, im ok with a bit of rough and tumble, but personally i think there are boundaries and respect for other people, as well as trying to have a good time yourself.

[jackson]

Although it wasn't my first (lucky enough to have seen the smiths) and certainly not my last, I thought Coachella was really bad. 113 degrees in October in the desert, with all the fans, pushing and shoving. People were literally passing out and had to be dug out b/c of it. It was the worst i've been to.

[Evil Legal Eagle]

Was that at the Liverpool Philharmonic, May 2006?
Or has she done that more than once? :confused:

Yes, it was at the Phil. I was sitting a few seats further along on the front row and witnessed the whole sorry episode.

I have to say that, whilst I only saw the Smiths once (at the Liverpool Royal Court in March '85), there is a real difference between the 'pit' (God, how I hate that word) at a Smiths gig and a Moz one.

Whilst the crowd in the 'pit' at the Royal Court (it was called the 'Stalls' back then, even though all the seats had been ripped out) all those years ago could certainly be described as 'boisterous', there was none of shocking brutality I have witnessed at Moz solo shows over the years.

Eeeeh, them were the days!

[Vauxhall95]

Hello all

I know i keep going on about this gig a lot, but remember your first ever Morrissey gig? Wasn't it the best feeling ever!? (let alone those of you lucky enough to have ever had the privelege to go to a Smiths gig!!) So hope i'm not pissing you all off too much with constant talk of the one i went to.

I was just wondering if anyone went to Mozza gig two years ago - Alexander Palace? If so, how was it for you? Also, what did you think of all the pushing and shoving? I was right at the front in the 'mosh pit' i guess you could call it (even for a Mozz gig)

I felt it did really spoil it quite a bit. I spent most of the time using my arms to shield my girlfriend from 20 stone men and other butchly blokes around her, plus trying to keep myself alive. My girlfriend caved in and had to be pulled over the barriers by the security guards cos she thought she was going to faint...and..this is the bit for me i can't believe. I had to fight my way out from the crowd...AS "HOW SOON NOW" BEGAN TO PLAY!!!!! ...But i was seriously convinced i would die..:eek: whimp Dom, lol. Saying all that, i will never forget it. Amazing amazing amazing!

Thoughts? Even if you wern't at the gig, what do you think of this kind of behaviour from us fans? Harmless fun, or spoiling fun?

Dom :guitar:

Dom, if Morrissey and/or his security guards threatened you in the hotel lobby after a gig, it would have been a far better post.

[Unlikely One]

Battersea tent all those monns ago was pretty lively.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuNyBpD24Vg

[2-J]

Rough and tumble (as in, pushing, moshing, shoving) down the front is to be expected and is all part and parcel of any (good) Morrissey gig.

What isn't, is people actually punching / pinching / kicking / attacking people to try to get to the front row, or just further forward. I have experienced this myself at a Moz show before, and that has nothing to do with having a good time or enjoying the show at all. It's simple selfishness.

[CrystalGeezer]

I was punched at the Palladium by a girl, though I don't think she knowingly punched me. I said "fuck it" and got out of there. If you're there for the music, stay back.

[chlow]

my first gig was december 2004, i was only 14 so i nearly died. i last until halfway through though. then some lovely security guard let me stand at the side, i think because i was quite small. ahaha. pathetic.

was at ally pally, does anyone remember that kerfuffle where someone got hit or something? bit drams. i was at the front for that one.

can't wait for nexst week, means i'll have seen him eleven times, hell yeahz

[Brel]

Was that at the Liverpool Philharmonic, May 2006?
Or has she done that more than once? :confused:

It was at the Manchester Opera House, at around the same time. I read on here that she did it at other shows, but I only witnessed it once myself. It was really bad!

[CaliforniaMozGirl]

My first Morrissey show was at The Santa Barbara Bowl in 1991. He was so beautiful and I was in awe all night and although our seats were decent they were not down front and I enviously watched this girl go to the stage and she was crying and hugging Morrissey while he sang and he danced with her. She was up there for quite a while until the stage wranglers finally removed her.

[smithsman]

Oi, who you talking about when you reference to 'people like you' i am only just putting a thought forward and my feelings, im ok with a bit of rough and tumble, but personally i think there are boundaries and respect for other people, as well as trying to have a good time yourself.

I have been going to Smiths and Morrissey concerts since 1984 and every concert i have been to has been bedlam down the front, but over the last 3 or 4 years there seems to be an element fans hell bent on going down the front and moaning if anybody gets too close to them. At the end of the day its Morrissey you are going to see and if you cant put up with the jostling that goes on at the gig dont stand at the front. You may have been making a point but it obviously bothered you if you felt the need to post a message about it.:sick:

[Unlikely One]

My first Morrissey show was at The Santa Barbara Bowl in 1991. He was so beautiful and I was in awe all night and although our seats were decent they were not down front and I enviously watched this girl go to the stage and she was crying and hugging Morrissey while he sang and he danced with her. She was up there for quite a while until the stage wranglers finally removed her.

Yeah I thought that was a great Mozzer moment. Uploaded here:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YL2dkhFOBr8

[dom]

I have been going to Smiths and Morrissey concerts since 1984 and every concert i have been to has been bedlam down the front, but over the last 3 or 4 years there seems to be an element fans hell bent on going down the front and moaning if anybody gets too close to them. At the end of the day its Morrissey you are going to see and if you cant put up with the jostling that goes on at the gig dont stand at the front. You may have been making a point but it obviously bothered you if you felt the need to post a message about it.:sick:

Um..i'm really not taking things that seriously, let alone on a thread site! I post most threads just to engage disscussion. Yes the pusing and shoving bothered me a little, but i'm not being spoilt or whatever i'm not a 'person like me' who spoils it for myself and everyone else! It's not that serious. The pushing and shoving was due to complete obsession with Mozz, fine, but it was my first ever Mozz gig and i not been used to it. It annoyed me a bit but some people on here are getting more het up about me mentoning it than i was about the pushing and shoving! :eek:

[swiss]

[QUOTE=raincoated lover;749562]My first Moz show was December 6th? (or 5th can't remember) at Nottingham Ice Arena.


This was a pretty tame show to be honest. Went on my own. Walked into the arena with 5 mins to go and was 3 or 4 from the front. Very little pushing and shoving.

My memorable concerts for this were Blackburn 2002 and 2006, Blackpool 2004 and GMex 2006

[Kewpie]

The shows are tame these days compared to the early solo ones. I just find that people complain more nowadays?

I maintain what I have said before. At a standing gig, everone pays the same to get in. The focus of the night is the stage at the front, so when Morrissey comes on, don't be surprised to find yourself pushed around.

I do like most people. I decide (depending on the support) when to arrive, then position myself as close to the stage as I can. 10 seconds into the first song, the floor space opens up anyway, so it turns into a stood up version of musical chairs anyway!

The most shocking behaviour I have seen, was at a seated gig. Julia just occupying the best seat she could, and refusing to move when the ticket holder arrived. She completely blanked them, as though they didn't exist. To me, that is far worse than a bit of pushing and shoving?


Sadly you're not the first to witness her misbehaviour:

http://tour.morrissey-solo.com/comments.pl?sid=16632&cid=128942 :(

[Hellie]

The most shocking behaviour I have seen, was at a seated gig. Julia just occupying the best seat she could, and refusing to move when the ticket holder arrived. She completely blanked them, as though they didn't exist. To me, that is far worse than a bit of pushing and shoving?

Bloody hell!:eek:Outrageous cheek. I'd have biffed the cow!!

Just because she's minted enough to be a superfan par excellence doess't give her those sorts of rights.:mad:

I'm loyal fan but i do have a LIFE.I think she does not.

[Girl Unafraid]

My first Morrissey gig was Marlay Park, Dublin in 2006 and YES I couldn't believe the mayhem when he first came on stage, probably because I was really near the front and all gigs before that had been mild affairs which I'm too ashamed to confess to :o. As soon as Morrissey came on I lost my friend in the crush and was grabbed by some random guy who said he'd 'take care of me' and I had to wrestle him off and wriggle forwards to where my friend ended up :(