A request to be quelled

[dom]

Hello all

I have only joined on this forum since the best part of a week or so, maybe less, so i'm only just finding out how things work here. I am a tad and mighty confused about some things. ]

The main thing im not clear about is, who has power / moderator authority? because it's never labeled next to their names or anything.

It just feels like my posts are being pillaged and shoved everywhere by people that don't have any apparent authority. I don't mind at all if the people who move my threads ARE registered moderators and they move my post, it just feels more irritating when they don't have some form of I.D. (lol, i've been working in the alcohol section of the supermarket too long...'got any idea on you please?)

I'm not saying there shouldn’t be moderators, neither that posts shouldn’t be moved to relevant ones, but the thing is, when someone starts a thread or topic there is always BOUND to be someone SOMEWHERE who has thought of the same thing and started it.

I think that everyone are individuals and have a different approach to things, and some-one like myself may have a certain approach to, for example Morrisseys sexuality, and could justifiably start a new thread because of the way i have introduced the thread. I'm not saying i am a guru of originality, and in the example of the thread i started about Morrisseys sexuality there wasn't much of a different approach i was taking, but i COULD have. I could have approached it from a personal angle, i could have maybe even met him and, i could have said even that i SLEPT with him. Would some-one who had claimed on here to have slept with Morrissey and then issued a discussion about his sexuality be shunted to the bottom of a thread? Proving that a lowly person like me had slept with Morrissey would be hard to prove, and worrying for me who is supposed to be straight.

I do understand though that threads need to be protected from being spewed left right and centre and there is need for some order, i just think there should be some room for personality and an exception to the rule. Not just to automatically transfer a thread because it mentions a similar theme to another thread, but to consider how that person has...threaded it and worded it.

Sorry for going on for so long. I have said to another person before this thread. I am happy to eat humble pie if that is given to me. I just one some clarity.

Many thank yous

Dom

[vicarinatutugal]

Dom if you look at the bottom of the section you are in you will see the moderators names there, you can also click on view forum leaders and then you will see the moderators names there. Your threads can only be moved by a moderator.

I will add a link for you to make it a bit easier.
mods (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showgroups.php)

[withmyheadonthebar]

Hiya Dom,

It's understandable that you're a bit annoyed with your posts being moved about, and I get what you're saying, but the thing is that you are often asking about things that have been discussed before - maybe, as EPBabe said, it'd be better to search up the old threads and resurrect them...

Just an idea, and welcome to the forum, anyway.

[dom]

Hiya Dom,

It's understandable that you're a bit annoyed with your posts being moved about, and I get what you're saying, but the thing is that you are often asking about things that have been discussed before - maybe, as EPBabe said, it'd be better to search up the old threads and resurrect them...

Just an idea, and welcome to the forum, anyway.

I totally understand, and in my case most of them have been fair, but in reading a thread from a similar complaint person, they demonstrated exactly what i am talking about he/she asked

if the smiths were to re-unite which songs would people like to hear...

it was moved to a thread asking

if the smiths were to unite, should they play a big venue...

Clearly two completely seperate questions with an entirely differnet scope of responses.

The fact that a lot of people, not just me are concerened and annoyed has to say something. I can only re-iterate the need to really THINK before a post is transfered. In this case above, there clearly wasnt enough though gone into it, just an automatic focus on the fact it was about a smiths re-union.

[Not Right in the Head]

I totally understand, and in my case most of them have been fair, but in reading a thread from a similar complaint person, they demonstrated exactly what i am talking about he/she asked

if the smiths were to re-unite which songs would people like to hear...

it was moved to a thread asking

if the smiths were to unite, should they play a big venue...

Clearly two completely seperate questions with an entirely differnet scope of responses.

The fact that a lot of people, not just me are concerened and annoyed has to say something. I can only re-iterate the need to really THINK before a post is transfered. In this case above, there clearly wasnt enough though gone into it, just an automatic focus on the fact it was about a smiths re-union.

It's really just one moderator who's responsible for 95% of your grievances, but everyone (including me!) is tired of hearing me harp on about it, so that's all I'll say. You'll figure out which mod it is on your own soon enough, and there's nothing you can do about it. You can either let yourself be broken by it, like I did for the first six months here, or you can just say "fuck it" and do your own thing despite the immoderation, threats, and name-calling, like I've done since then. Don't give up--almost all of us are on your side, not on the moderator's.

[dom]

Hiya Dom,

It's understandable that you're a bit annoyed with your posts being moved about, and I get what you're saying, but the thing is that you are often asking about things that have been discussed before - maybe, as EPBabe said, it'd be better to search up the old threads and resurrect them...

Just an idea, and welcome to the forum, anyway.

ps. thank you for the welcome :-)

[dom]

It's really just one moderator who's responsible for 95% of your grievances, but everyone (including me!) is tired of hearing me harp on about it, so that's all I'll say. You'll figure out which mod it is on your own soon enough, and there's nothing you can do about it. You can either let yourself be broken by it, like I did for the first six months here, or you can just say "fuck it" and do your own thing despite the immoderation, threats, and name-calling, like I've done since then. Don't give up--almost all of us are on your side, not on the moderator's.

Fair enough. I'm sure i know who you mean. What a shame. I wont be broken by it, i just thought it wasn't only the one person, in which case, yea, f**k it, not worth the energy, i am just very intent on individuality and expression, just a bit zealous i guess.

Thank you for your time in talking about it, despite your tiredness about it :-)

[vicarinatutugal]

Fair enough. I'm sure i know who you mean. What a shame. I wont be broken by it, i just thought it wasn't only the one person, in which case, yea, f**k it, not worth the energy, i am just very intent on individuality and expression, just a bit zealous i guess.

Thank you for your time in talking about it, despite your tiredness about it :-)

Yes on occasion maybe threads have been moved to a thread that could have been considered not suitable, its not that often that it happens, Sometimes and this is not particuarly addressing your issue but I think it can be a case of toys out of the pram. Oh boo hoo my thread was moved to Off topic. I did not have the thread to myself. I might be wrong in my assumptions of certain users. I think if someone wanted to do a thread about say, My son loves Morrissey he just danced in front of a video. Things like that in my mind are not a general topic, that is something for a blog or If you like off topic. There was a time, i think it was when the David Letterman performance and we had something stupid like 6 or 7 threads about the same thing on the first page of the forum. The idea is to encourage the flow of the forum.
I would say to you, that this forum is a very relaxed forum. There is TOS of course but for example on the forum my bf mods on I can not believe how strict it is. Mods delete posts if they have been on the board before. If you do not do a search before posting threads you can get a penalty so on. I guess what I am trying to say is fair enough if you disagree with a modding decision but I would not worry too much if I were you. Jesus that was a ramble.

[Uncleskinny]

Fair enough. I'm sure i know who you mean. What a shame. I wont be broken by it, i just thought it wasn't only the one person, in which case, yea, f**k it, not worth the energy, i am just very intent on individuality and expression, just a bit zealous i guess.

Thank you for your time in talking about it, despite your tiredness about it :-)

I commend your zeal, really I do, and I fully understand how newcomers here have thousands of questions they want to ask, but it really would bear a bit of searching in the archives before complaining. One of our moderating jobs is to merge threads of a like subject - that way it actually makes searching easier because you won't be looking at a load of disparate threads.

Welcome on board.

Peter

**PS - Vicarinantutugal is right - this is an amazingly relaxed and, believe it or not, under-moderated forum compared to a lot out there.**

[Not Right in the Head]

Fair enough. I'm sure i know who you mean. What a shame. I wont be broken by it, i just thought it wasn't only the one person, in which case, yea, f**k it, not worth the energy, i am just very intent on individuality and expression, just a bit zealous i guess.

I think that a lot of members in your position feel like they've been singled out, when in fact most of us have gone through the same shit.


Thank you for your time in talking about it, despite your tiredness about it :-)

Yes, well, the tiredness is relative, I guess... :o


Yes on occasion maybe threads have been moved to a thread that could have been considered not suitable, its not that often that it happens, Sometimes and this is not particuarly addressing your issue but I think it can be a case of toys out of the pram. Oh boo hoo my thread was moved to Off topic. I did not have the thread to myself. I might be wrong in my assumptions of certain users. I think if someone wanted to do a thread about say, My son loves Morrissey he just danced in front of a video. Things like that in my mind are not a general topic, that is something for a blog or If you like off topic. There was a time, i think it was when the David Letterman performance and we had something stupid like 6 or 7 threads about the same thing on the first page of the forum. The idea is to encourage the flow of the forum.

I've asked that when threads be moved, even if it's entirely justified, that the moderator who's moving them PM the thread's author just as a friendly FYI, and to explain why the thread was moved. Mine rarely get moved, but when they have, I've been quite confused when I expected to find them where I created them. Surely thread moving isn't so breakneck that it takes a moderator too much time to give the user a heads-up.


I would say to you, that this forum is a very relaxed forum.

And thank Boz for that!


I commend your zeal, really I do, and I fully understand how newcomers here have thousands of questions they want to ask, but it really would bear a bit of searching in the archives before complaining. One of our moderating jobs is to merge threads of a like subject - that way it actually makes searching easier because you won't be looking at a load of disparate threads.

I agree, but with two exceptions. First, while it may make searching easier, it makes browsing more of a pain in the ass because the moved threads still show up, but with the disclaimer that they've been "Moved." It's clutter, and it's noise. And from what I can tell of how most people use SoLow, browsing is far more common than searching. Second, the thread-merging phenomenon is rather recent; it started to get out of hand this past fall. I'm sure that it happened before then, but I never noticed it, or at least didn't notice it enough to be bothered by it. Now it's a major distraction, even when it's justified.

Perhaps more people would use the search feature if it were easier to use, and more accurate, but I'm not going to geek out about that right here.

[dom]

Ok. Thank you very much. It is helping already in what you are saying. I shall read previous threads and the like and just TRY at least to turn a blind eye to many hings as poss :-)

[girlunafraid]

who is Julia?

[Uncleskinny]

who is Julia?

You deserve a frying pan round the chops for daring to ask that. Some users, eh?

Peter

[Vauxhall95]

It's really just one moderator who's responsible for 95% of your grievances, but everyone (including me!) is tired of hearing me harp on about it, so that's all I'll say. You'll figure out which mod it is on your own soon enough, and there's nothing you can do about it. You can either let yourself be broken by it, like I did for the first six months here, or you can just say "fuck it" and do your own thing despite the immoderation, threats, and name-calling, like I've done since then. Don't give up--almost all of us are on your side, not on the moderator's.

What amazes me is the lack of business savvy now that Solo has started to sell ads. They have a new site member, i.e. dom, and proceed to treat him like absolute crap to the point where he doesn't want to return. Accompany that with all the moved threads, I mean God forbid this just be a fun place to discuss Morrissey? Since when did this become a "research" site? You cares if a newbie asks the same question we all asked when we first joined? If the moderators don't feel like answering it, the rest of us will. I agree with everything you've written NRITH. It's like there is an active movement to make this site joyless.

[Not Right in the Head]

It's like there is an active movement to make this site joyless.

EXACTLY

And you know how I feel about that...

[vicarinatutugal]

EXACTLY

And you know how I feel about that...

oh come on..
People have made Dom welcome, he got nicer response than most would get with the "gay" thread. He says he is sticking about. :cool:

[esheh195]

So, has anyone ever decided to become vegetarian because they listened to "Meat Is Murder"? :confused:

[bogdana]

**PS - Vicarinantutugal is right - this is an amazingly relaxed and, believe it or not, under-moderated forum compared to a lot out there.**
thats because only one of you is a giant pain in the tuchus. and its not saying much, really. comparing us to the "Battlestar galactica forum" again are you? :p

i would just like to add my two cents in that i dont think the search is very adequate. It makes you search through EVERYTHING when you put key words in. Even when i want to just search threads and not posts, sometimes threads come up that dont have even one word that i put in. WTF??

[dom]

oh come on..
People have made Dom welcome, he got nicer response than most would get with the "gay" thread. He says he is sticking about. :cool:

Yes, i have felt welcome, and i do want to stick around...but i do feel tossed around a touch, as i have explained. I am trying to maintain a level of respect for Moderation, but feel VERY strongly about one simple thing. TO THINK and READ a post properly before it is moved. Not just read a word like 'meat is murder' and IMMEDIATELY transfer it to a meat is murder page. Or, in a real example, not to read ''if there was a Smiths re-uinion, which song would you want to hear - and then transfer it to a thread titled 'if there was a smiths re-union, should they play a big stadium' !!

But as i am aware, there is one fillet bottom hole that mainly does this, and i do not tar everyone with the same proverbial brush.

Thank you all who have made me feel welcome, which is pretty much most of you :-)

[Anaesthesine]

Just one word, if I may, in support of zealous moderators.

Very early on, I started a thread, maybe my second ever, about something very silly indeed. I regretted it almost the moment I hit the key.

Luckily, some kind-hearted moderator yanked it - to you, a belated thanks.

:o :)

[dom]

Just one word, if I may, in support of zealous moderators.

Very early on, I started a thread, maybe my second ever, about something very silly indeed. I regretted it almost the moment I hit the key.

Luckily, some kind-hearted moderator yanked it - to you, a belated thanks.

:o :)

I continue to say, i have no problem with moderators, nor moderation. I have aproblem with trigger happy ones that fire off rounds of uncontrolled moderation bullets and blast a thread away unnecerserily, probably without reading it or thinking about it first. But yes, moderation is needed to keep the odd crazy notion that creeps into the brain and onto a thread. We all get that at times, and it does need 'yanking'

[Anaesthesine]

I continue to say, i have no problem with moderators, nor moderation. I have aproblem with trigger happy ones that fire off rounds of uncontrolled moderation bullets and blast a thread away unnecerserily, probably without reading it or thinking about it first. But yes, moderation is needed to keep the odd crazy notion that creeps into the brain and onto a thread. We all get that at times, and it does need 'yanking'

Absolutely. Moderation in all things - including moderation!

[Buzzetta]

So, has anyone ever decided to become vegetarian because they listened to "Meat Is Murder"? :confused:

Did I ever tell you my take on the whole meat is murder thing and how baseless I consider it?

This could be fun...

[Buzzetta]

Mr. Connery will take Kewpie for $500 Alex

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/snl_jeopardy2.jpg

[blue jag]

PRECISELY! i have started threads this week that may well have been started before but i have come in at another angle.guess what? most have been moved, then i get accused of starting too many threads!:confused::crazy:

[Not Right in the Head]

PRECISELY! i have started threads this week that may well have been started before but i have come in at another angle.guess what? most have been moved, then i get accused of starting too many threads!:confused::crazy:

You do. Now stop, collaborate and listen.

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

You do. Now stop, collaborate and listen.

dear blue jag, nrith and me agree on this issue :eek: which is tantamount to:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/gulrober/funny/hfreezes.jpg
:laughing:

[Dave]

I totally understand, and in my case most of them have been fair, but in reading a thread from a similar complaint person, they demonstrated exactly what i am talking about he/she asked

if the smiths were to re-unite which songs would people like to hear...

it was moved to a thread asking

if the smiths were to unite, should they play a big venue...

Clearly two completely seperate questions with an entirely differnet scope of responses.

The fact that a lot of people, not just me are concerened and annoyed has to say something. I can only re-iterate the need to really THINK before a post is transfered. In this case above, there clearly wasnt enough though gone into it, just an automatic focus on the fact it was about a smiths re-union.

They would have to play The Queen Is Dead I would think. Would they do anything from Morrissey's solo career?

[troubleluvsme]

PRECISELY! i have started threads this week that may well have been started before but i have come in at another angle.guess what? most have been moved, then i get accused of starting too many threads!:confused::crazy:

For what it's worth, I don't think you're starting too many threads.

Why don't you create a poll, to find out what the others think? :D

[Buzzetta]

For what it's worth, I don't think you're starting too many threads.

Why don't you create a poll, to find out what the others think? :D

Heeeeeeeeeey, I like the way you think.

[troubleluvsme]

Heeeeeeeeeey, I like the way you think.

hehehehe....:D
thx