Confession: I am not concerned with starvation in Africa

[Buzzetta]

Yet another thread of discussion...

I have to admit, I am not really concerned with the plight of starvation in Africa. Now before you collectively say "wow this guy is an ass-clown." Here me out.

The plight of Africa is secondary to what goes on in my own backyard. I see many homeless starving people in NYC everyday on my way to work. Many are not the psychotic drug abusing problematic people that are stereotyped. Many are victims of a poor choice here and there or of circumstance.

What do I do about it? I organize a year round food drive donating the items to local food pantries in Brooklyn. Using my own judgement as to whether I feel safe in the situation I have purchased water and food items and given them directly to those sleeping in the corners along 32nd and 33rd streets by MSG.

The United States has it's own share of people in need that we tend to ignore because they are not given the exposure that Africa is given. We have people that need our assistance within our own boarders. I genuinely feel bad for the impoverished in the world but believe that I should focus the efforts that I have to those within our own communities first. There are many people of poor nutrition and poverty in Appalachia that should be receiving the assistance that we send to other countries.

I stand by my statements in another thread where I said that I believe in humans helping humans first, helping your family before you help strangers. This extends to my belief that you assist those within your boarders before those in other countries unless the assistance or intervention of another area is of direct importance to safeguarding those within your own boarders. (No that was not a veiled support of intervention in Iraq as I do not see a need to be there and never did.)

There... I lit the fuze.

[vicarinatutugal]

I think much of what you have said there makes perfect sense, good on you trying to make a difference.


*edit, can I just add for the "you are all selfish cunts army" (if anyone gives a shit to reply to the thread) that of course I have plenty of sympathy for any people less fortunate than myself.

[Jane Birkin]

This thread goes to show what a bunch of selfserving, selfish cunts we have all become.
Too sad for words.
No matter what your political or religious views are, you are still a human being and all humans should have ,at the least , a bit of sympathy for others who are less fortunate than you and by pure coinsidance were not born in a so called "developped" country.

[vicarinatutugal]

This thread goes to show what a bunch of selfserving, selfish cunts we have all become.
Too sad for words.
No matter what your political or religious views are, you are still a human being and all humans should have ,at the least , a bit of sympathy for others who are less fortunate than you and by pure coinsidance were not born in a so called "developped" country.

you have walked into his "argument" trap. :( I think if he is doing what he says in his post there about trying to make a difference in his own area then its a good thing to be doing. We do not have to agree with his other comments.

[Buzzetta]

This thread goes to show what a bunch of selfserving, selfish cunts we have all become.
Too sad for words.
No matter what your political or religious views are, you are still a human being and all humans should have ,at the least , a bit of sympathy for others who are less fortunate than you and by pure coinsidance were not born in a so called "developped" country.

Absolutely right - I should hand off food to those in need in my own backyard before I step over them to give to someone else.

[Buzzetta]

you have walked into his "argument" trap. :( I think if he is doing what he says in his post there about trying to make a difference in his own area then its a good thing to be doing. We do not have to agree with his other comments.

No please understand it was not really an argument trap. It is more along the lines of why people give to areas that are popularized yet ignore those within their own backyard.

I have seen things that many here may not have. I have no problem listing them but some may be to the point that you feel I am simply stating them for shock value.

I feel that people give to popularized causes but fail to recognize those in need within their own communities. Why? Perhaps because the plight in Africa is far and away and not within your backyard. You choose to give to the needy in Africa and it's okay because it is at a difference. I believe that there are people that find it easy to ignore humans in need within their own community.

[vicarinatutugal]

No please understand it was not really an argument trap. It is more along the lines of why people give to areas that are popularized yet ignore those within their own backyard.

I have seen things that many here may not have. I have no problem listing them but some may be to the point that you feel I am simply stating them for shock value.

I feel that people give to popularized causes but fail to recognize those in need within their own communities. Why? Perhaps because the plight in Africa is far and away and not within your backyard. You choose to give to the needy in Africa and it's okay because it is at a difference. I believe that there are people that find it easy to ignore humans in need within their own community.

well shock tactic then rather than argument trap, I think you make a fair point, I would agree that there are many who will go and volunteer in africa or places but would not think to help out at a local elderly centre or anything like that. One thing for me locally that I always did was give stuff to the oxfam shop, small thing maybe but the shop is about 2 minutes walk from my house. A work mate pointed out that the local hospice shop was desperate for donations, it did not even cross my mind to take the stuff there cause it is a lot further away. Now though I take any donations to there, because it is a local charity and they really need the items.

[Corrissey]

Good on ya, Buzzetta. Think globally, act locally :)
I agree that the US does need to take care of its own more so than it seems it does sometimes. Always the first ones to help everywhere else, but...and while I donate frequently to 'wordly' causes, I think it's just as important to help in my own 'backyard' with my church's meals to the homeless. Keep up the good work :)

[Dave]

Now before you collectively say "wow this guy is an ass-clown." Here me out.

sorry dood... I can't help it.

anywayz, just because you do something locally, and a good something, that's no reason to not be concerned. That's what I was trying to say in the veggie thread. Yes, I think that people all over the world deserve some attention and there are some horrible things happening, many of which can be corrected, but diet is a central and vital issue and a way that we can make a difference directly.

Think globally, act locally makes sense to me. The thing is, you're doing the act locally part but then you're not wanting to bother thinking globally. That's all I see that I fond wrong with your position.


In the words of Ice Cube, "you wanna free Africa, I stare at ya/ Cause we ain't got it to good in America/ I can't fuck with 'em overseas/" and so on...

[Kilt Uncle]

Well, in America fat stomachs are the result of obesity and in Africa fat stomachs are caused by malnutrition, kind of an important difference. Poverty in the West and poverty in Africa is not the same and i know in which part of the world i'd rather live in terms of the chances of being fed.

30,000 Americans don't die from starvation everyday because they can't afford to pay interest payments on a debt. This is debt that was paid back a long time ago, but the interest payments are so high that it's impossible for poorer African nations to get themselves out of the shit, hence the campaign to cancel the debt for African nations.

By all means campaign for a better America and better treatment of it's people, but it's a round world and i've never understood the concept that you stop caring for others because they live in a different country from you. All these love lists and league tables of those who deserve to be saved and loved is just tedious in the extreme. It can't be beyond us a so-called evolved human race to do basic things like feed people...okay, just me..:)

And if that Chimp in the Whitehouse would spend a bit more on nutrition instead of weapons, then America would be a better place and it's only the people of America that can make it happen.

Not sure that poor Africans can be blamed for poverty in the West?

[Dave]

Well, in America fat stomachs are the result of obesity and in Africa fat stomachs are caused by malnutrition, kind of an important difference. Poverty in the West and poverty in Africa is not the same and i know in which part of the world i'd rather live in terms of the chances of being fed.

30,000 Americans don't die from starvation everyday because they can't afford to pay interest payments on a debt. This is debt that was paid back a long time ago, but the interest payments are so high that it's impossible for poorer African nations to get themselves out of the shit, hence the campaign to cancel the debt for African nations.

By all means campaign for a better America and better treatment of it's people, but it's a round world and i've never understood the concept that you stop caring for others because they live in a different country from you. All these love lists and league tables of those who deserve to be saved and loved is just tedious in the extreme. It can't be beyond us a so-called evolved human race to do basic things like feed people...okay, just me..:)

And if that Chimp in the Whitehouse would spend a bit more on nutrition instead of weapons, then America would be a better place and it's only the people of America that can make it happen.

Not sure that poor Africans can be blamed for poverty in the West?

Poverty and hunger are used to control people. They don't need to exist. Someday someone will come along that will wake up enough people to hit the reset button and it is going to be a whole new game.

[Buzzetta]

sorry dood... I can't help it.

anywayz, just because you do something locally, and a good something, that's no reason to not be concerned. That's what I was trying to say in the veggie thread. Yes, I think that people all over the world deserve some attention and there are some horrible things happening, many of which can be corrected, but diet is a central and vital issue and a way that we can make a difference directly.

Think globally, act locally makes sense to me. The thing is, you're doing the act locally part but then you're not wanting to bother thinking globally. That's all I see that I fond wrong with your position.


In the words of Ice Cube, "you wanna free Africa, I stare at ya/ Cause we ain't got it to good in America/ I can't fuck with 'em overseas/" and so on...

I am watching TV as I type so I must admit that I am not paying attention to my spelling. When I go back and see the red lines to fix any typos I go back and make a fix without re-reading what I wrote to select the correct word in context of proper use. I also noticed that I must have done the same thing in typing "difference" instead of "distance".

I should have stated that I express sympathy but to tell the truth I will not donate a cent until more within our country have a better situation. I find it amusing how there are those within the world that criticize US "interference" but by the same token say we have a sense of humanitarian assistance to other countries.

I say we have a sense of humanitarian assistance to ourselves.

[Please]

Yet another thread of discussion...

I have to admit, I am not really concerned with the plight of starvation in Africa. Now before you collectively say "wow this guy is an ass-clown." Here me out.

The plight of Africa is secondary to what goes on in my own backyard. I see many homeless starving people in NYC everyday on my way to work. Many are not the psychotic drug abusing problematic people that are stereotyped. Many are victims of a poor choice here and there or of circumstance.

What do I do about it? I organize a year round food drive donating the items to local food pantries in Brooklyn. Using my own judgement as to whether I feel safe in the situation I have purchased water and food items and given them directly to those sleeping in the corners along 32nd and 33rd streets by MSG.

The United States has it's own share of people in need that we tend to ignore because they are not given the exposure that Africa is given. We have people that need our assistance within our own boarders. I genuinely feel bad for the impoverished in the world but believe that I should focus the efforts that I have to those within our own communities first. There are many people of poor nutrition and poverty in Appalachia that should be receiving the assistance that we send to other countries.

I stand by my statements in another thread where I said that I believe in humans helping humans first, helping your family before you help strangers. This extends to my belief that you assist those within your boarders before those in other countries unless the assistance or intervention of another area is of direct importance to safeguarding those within your own boarders. (No that was not a veiled support of intervention in Iraq as I do not see a need to be there and never did.)

There... I lit the fuze.

Is this just attention seeking? You clearly have no concept of the issues facing the world

[Please]

I am watching TV as I type so I must admit that I am not paying attention to my spelling. When I go back and see the red lines to fix any typos I go back and make a fix without re-reading what I wrote to select the correct word in context of proper use. I also noticed that I must have done the same thing in typing "difference" instead of "distance".

I should have stated that I express sympathy but to tell the truth I will not donate a cent until more within our country have a better situation. I find it amusing how there are those within the world that criticize US "interference" but by the same token say we have a sense of humanitarian assistance to other countries.

I say we have a sense of humanitarian assistance to ourselves.

This is the problem though, you can;t take without giving. You can;t exist as an island in the modern world.

The fact is America is more than capable of having equality but they have shown over the years (as with many other countries) that they don;t want it! I'm afraid whatever charitable work you do to help the poor in your country, whilst being very kind hearted, isn;t going to help things long term. For this we/you need a change of system both socially and politically

[Buzzetta]

Correct but change should start from within. That is what I am saying.

[pandora_cocteau]

To quote Lennon "Living is easy with eyes closed".
Frankly, I am not surprised that you exhibit those sentiments. Perfect example of an average product of the North American mentality.

[Buzzetta]

To quote Lennon "Living is easy with eyes closed".
Frankly, I am not surprised that you exhibit those sentiments. Perfect example of an average product of the North American mentality.

My understanding is that you are from Canada ##########

Canada is part of North America. Check the globe.

[yesitis]

Correct but change should start from within. That is what I am saying.

like when i shat out those dimes?

[Buzzetta]

like when i shat out those dimes?

Exactly

http://www.abiw.org/images/dusselreturn/ShitMoney.jpg

[PregnantForTheLastTime]

Oh, how people love to snipe...

Really, honestly, are any of you who jump down Buzzetta's throat doing anything at all to help your neighbors? Are you donating assistance to charities that help in Africa? Are you writing messages to your lawmakers telling them that you support debt forgiveness or other economic assistance for Africa and other third-world nations?

He is doing what he can, and odds are it's more than you are actually doing. He didn't say he didn't have any sympathy. Well, he sort of did, but I think he was exaggerating to make a point.

Also, I think, if I'm not mistaken, that he's also a public school teacher... if that's not charitable, I don't know what is. Teachers are asked to do more than they can, usually, and are sickeningly underpaid for it.

If everyone did as much as Buzzetta does, the problems here and abroad would quickly begin to disappear.

So toss your stones... check your own walls first, though. Make sure they're not glass...

[pandora_cocteau]

My understanding is that you are from Canada ##########

Canada is part of North America. Check the globe.

I live in Canada, but I am not from Canada. And there are people who can live in a system and yet not be heir to the mentality produced by it.

[mell]

Also, I think, if I'm not mistaken, that he's also a public school teacher...

hmm it's kinda hot when guys go into teaching.

[Carrion Jack]

I live in Canada, but I am not from Canada. And there are people who can live in a system and yet not be heir to the mentality produced by it.

So, then, your parents emigrated to Canada for purely altruistic reasons? So they, and you, could proselytize for the less fortunate? I thought not.

[Busy Clippers]

Is it ethical for the starving Africans to eat meat? :confused:

[Buzzetta]

Oh, how people love to snipe...

Really, honestly, are any of you who jump down Buzzetta's throat doing anything at all to help your neighbors? Are you donating assistance to charities that help in Africa? Are you writing messages to your lawmakers telling them that you support debt forgiveness or other economic assistance for Africa and other third-world nations?

He is doing what he can, and odds are it's more than you are actually doing. He didn't say he didn't have any sympathy. Well, he sort of did, but I think he was exaggerating to make a point.

Also, I think, if I'm not mistaken, that he's also a public school teacher... if that's not charitable, I don't know what is. Teachers are asked to do more than they can, usually, and are sickeningly underpaid for it.

If everyone did as much as Buzzetta does, the problems here and abroad would quickly begin to disappear.

So toss your stones... check your own walls first, though. Make sure they're not glass...

I appreciate the assist and am thankful that the plight of the educator is known to others. However, everyone please do not think of the thread in the tone of "lookee' at what I'm doing". I sincerely want to know why people are willing to help others outside of their own country before they help people in need someplace else.

I understood Oprah's move to create the girls school in Africa. I understood her reasons for NOT creating such a school in the United States. In her interview she had stated that when she visited the schools that she considered helping, Oprah was met with requests for iPods and sneakers instead of books. Well... in my opinion she went to the wrong schools. I admit that I work in a trendy area of Brooklyn where my students do NOT come from what can be described as real poverty so I cannot say my students are in extreme financial need.

However, real poverty exists in the United States and I find it a bit disturbing as well as fascinating that people ignore those in need within their own country. Areas of Appalachia and the state of Mississippi are among the poorest areas in the United States. Canada girl has it wrong when she believes that it is American arrogance that fuels these beliefs. Arrogance would make me say "screw off not my problem" when it comes to assisting or providing aide to fellow americans.

My opinion? It's easy to ignore the problem in your own backyard if you do not want to admit it exists. (I know that may used against me in another thread ;) but as I have stated over there I do not look at animals with the same rights as humans. Humans first) People who help other countries are ignoring the fact that their are problems within that should be addressed first.

[Buzzetta]

I live in Canada, but I am not from Canada. And there are people who can live in a system and yet not be heir to the mentality produced by it.

So if you think that you are better than the people and government that you seek shelter within and in the end dislike what goes on... leave.

Go back to where you came from. If you disagree with where you were headed (from wherever you came from) why would you go there?

Unless you are about to tell me that you are one of the French Quebecers (sp?) that believe that they are an outside country from Canada itself.

[Buzzetta]

Is it ethical for the starving Africans to eat meat? :confused:

Why wouldn't it be? But that is for another thread.

[Stoner Kebab]

this is a shitty useless thread.

[nogodsnomasters85]

This is my kinda thread.. Theres' a lot of territory to cover, so i'll try to be concise. Admittedly, living conditions in America are getting worse. The subprime mortgage crisis is the latest disaster in a protracted war on the poor and middle class. Notice politicians always talk about helping the middle class, never the "poor", because they can't admit there are any. This has been going on for most of the last century, but has really picked up speed in the 80's with the US government officially reframing economic policy from the keynesian new deal, to brutal Freidman-esque free trade policies.Reagan was a HUGE friedman fan, one of the first things he did was to sack 11, 500 air traffic controllers, saying that by going on strike they had "forfeited" they're jobs. In one of his famous campaign speeches where he rattled off some statistic about what percentage of americans are malnourished, quipping, "They were probably on a diet." What a bastard. Theres'a reason my union hasn't supported a republican since the 80's. But this crosses party lines, it was clinton that signed the infernal NAFTA into law. Jobs are being exported by the thousands, the cost of living is going up, bush is destroying social programs, and minimum wage is stagnating, and it's GOING TO GET WORSE. My christmas wish on this forum was a living wage for blue collar workers, so I DO care about this, especially as I am one. HOWEVER...
The point has been made and remains true that poverty in america is still not as bad as poverty in africa. Treatable diseases kill thousands, especially children, aids is spreading like wildfire, in the congo and darfur they have higher mortality rates than iraq and afghanistan, and both government and rebel soldiers engage in rape as a policy to instill terror. While one should care for ones' own house, our problems while hardly insignificant, are comparatively small. Moreover, the united states owes responsibility... Because we overthrew haitis first democratic president (incidentally a catholic priest), engaged in the slave trade which set africas economy back decades, supported brutal dictators like mobutu sese seko, and give the green light to corporations and third-party organizations like the wto and imf which keep the developing world in a state of arrested development, etc., etc. We must do both, however how they must be balanced is complex and I cannot definitively say.

[Dave]

I appreciate the assist and am thankful that the plight of the educator is known to others. However, everyone please do not think of the thread in the tone of "lookee' at what I'm doing". I sincerely want to know why people are willing to help others outside of their own country before they help people in need someplace else.

You are making an assumption that people do in fact care about people someplace else, but not here. There are answers to your question, but the point is that your question makes a big assumption.

I know a woman that sold her house and all her belongings and went to Africa to work in an orphanage for the child soldiers, because she felt there was a greater need there. Her church has connections there but she was the only one that went and she plans on living there five years. She gave up everything here. She could have done something here, but something told her to do it there. They buy the children from the warlords. The children are taken from their families and made to witness
torture and murder and put into military service. They can't go back and be in a normal family after they have done that for a while.

They are treated as property so they can be bought. The church buys them and cares for them in what they call orphanages.

This ladies name is Lori. She said that when she heard of it she couldn't ignore it. It was really hard for her to sell her things. She had collected antiques for a long time and had a very materialistic side, but then in the end she just wanted to get the most money so she could afford to do her work.

It's inspiring because while almost none of us can do that, we can all do something.

It's just negative to say that you aren't concerned. It comes across as stereotypically arrogant, and I can't see where it helps anything. You might say the same thing in a positive way. "There are people here that are hungry and without shelter and you can make a difference with a little money. If you can't give money you might have some time to spare. If you don't have time or money, maybe you can spread the word if you blog, have a myspace, livejournal, etc. Remember those less fortunate."

Something like that, in my opinion is a lot better that writing that you aren't concerned with starving Africans. If you aren't, you aren't.

[Buzzetta]

"Shut the fuck up Buzzetta and send us your money.....you self serving ****":p
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k238/morrisseysolo/bobgeldof.jpg

There is something wrong with a gold plated guitar shaped like Africa.

By the way... I do honestly commend him for what he tries to do. I do not take that away from Bono or Geldoff as they do more than most in their industry.

[Please]

Oh, how people love to snipe...

Really, honestly, are any of you who jump down Buzzetta's throat doing anything at all to help your neighbors? Are you donating assistance to charities that help in Africa? Are you writing messages to your lawmakers telling them that you support debt forgiveness or other economic assistance for Africa and other third-world nations?

He is doing what he can, and odds are it's more than you are actually doing. He didn't say he didn't have any sympathy. Well, he sort of did, but I think he was exaggerating to make a point.

Also, I think, if I'm not mistaken, that he's also a public school teacher... if that's not charitable, I don't know what is. Teachers are asked to do more than they can, usually, and are sickeningly underpaid for it.

If everyone did as much as Buzzetta does, the problems here and abroad would quickly begin to disappear.

So toss your stones... check your own walls first, though. Make sure they're not glass...


So just because he is a teacher that puts him on some sort of higher level than others.

I'm sure he gets paid. Also we don;t know if he is a good teacher, there are many bad teachers out there (not saying he is) who damage children doing more harm than good.

Ok you may feel you have local problems, but that does;nt mean you should;nt have aspirations or feelings towards global issues

[international playboy]

I agree, Charity should always start at home. Although, what is the point in making a thread titled 'Confession: I am not concerned with starvation in Africa'??? It is just going to upset people and make them angry. With comments like that you can understand why many people feel animosity towards the americans :(

[nogodsnomasters85]

I think that we should also bear in mind that in a post-globalization post-nuclear-post internet age the world is a lot smaller and increasingly interdependant. The two dollars or whatever I could spend at 7-11 on coca cola, a company which has had a working relationship with at least one african dictatorship, off the top of my head. Or like NAFTA, which wiped out lots of american jobs AND exploits cheap,south-american labor. I think changing our trade policies and domestic economic policies would be helpful domestically and internationally.

[*EqualOpportunityHater*]

Is it ethical for the starving Africans to eat meat? :confused:

NO

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[Dave]

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[Morrissey the 23rd]

Indifference and cynicism saddens me. There is no hope for the naked ape. The planet will be glad when we kill ourselves. I used to think we'd only unite to kill beings from galaxies far away but we're too selfish to last that long.

[Theo]

Someday someone will come along that will wake up enough people to hit the reset button and it is going to be a whole new game.



Dave, can you expand upon what you mean here? What is the "reset button" you are hoping will get pressed?

[Miss Dave,town gossip]

Dave, can you expand upon what you mean here? What is the "reset button" you are hoping will get pressed?

If I know Dave, then he's talking about...
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[*EqualOpportunityHater*]

If I know Dave, then he's talking about...
http://www.lsd.info/images/lsd_Logo_Start.jpg

EOH HATES Clones and sockpuppets!! :cool:

[jesusH]

EOH HATES Clones and sockpuppets!! :cool:

You give me deja vu, like I know you from somewhere. Ever been in a reality TV show?

[Dave]

Dave, can you expand upon what you mean here? What is the "reset button" you are hoping will get pressed?


If I know Dave, then he's talking about...
http://www.lsd.info/images/lsd_Logo_Start.jpg

LSD certainly hit the reset button for me. I don't advocate drugs but I have had experiences on LSD, peyote, and psilocybin mushrooms that I believe were valid and that I feel helped me to realize some of the conditioning and programming that is inflicted on us all. By school, by Church, by the mass media, by our parents, by all authority figures that say, basically, "Trust me, I know what I'm talking about". I understand that many people need to believe that there is an authority that can tell them "the truth", and that's why we get people like Manson, Hitler, and The Pope.

Theo, I'm not advocating revolution exactly, because I believe that our Constitution is already designed to allow the government to represent the people. What I am saying is that someone will awaken a desire in people to take responsibility for the way things are. When we say "society" we are really talking about something that we are a part of, and so blaming things on society is a way to have ab excuse not to be involved.

As different as our viewpoints may be on so many things, I would think we would agree that too many people are apathetic, and don't take advantage of the opportunity to make changes.

My reset button would be something that would make people aware of their rights and duties to speak out and act to change things, and not in a violent way, although, if this actually happened, the type of thugs we have in power would probably quickly resort to violence and character assassination on whoever this might be. Another Martin Luther King, for example.

[Dave]

EOH HATES Clones and sockpuppets!! :cool:

Don't worry, I Hate Miss Dave, Town Gossip. ;)

[nogodsnomasters85]

LSD is AMAZING, if taken in the right setting and amount, although, tragically, hard to come by, lots of people passing off some sort of amphetamine as the real thing. However, I wouldn't prescribe it as a cure-all for our present social malaise. First and foremost, this generation particularly needs to snap out of it's apathy, because it's just making things worse. Young people need to be politically aware and motivated. Change is totally possible.
If you don't think so, watch this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmDdM7xZqSg

[Dave]

Here's another place (http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home) to see what the guy in the video is talking about.

The best part is you can see the cost in your community and what that money would have provided. But let's face it. War makes big profits without increasing the quality of living of the poor. They do not want to increase the quality of living of the poor. Once basic needs are met and the person has time to think they become harder to control and govern.

They do not want to feed and educate the world. It goes against their own interests in staying on top of the pyramid.

[nogodsnomasters85]

Here's another place (http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home) to see what the guy in the video is talking about.

The best part is you can see the cost in your community and what that money would have provided. But let's face it. War makes big profits without increasing the quality of living of the poor. They do not want to increase the quality of living of the poor. Once basic needs are met and the person has time to think they become harder to control and govern.

They do not want to feed and educate the world. It goes against their own interests in staying on top of the pyramid.

It's so refreshing to be in total agreement.

[*EqualOpportunityHater*]

You give me deja vu, like I know you from somewhere. Ever been in a reality TV show?


Nope, I prefer to HATE on them, it's more fun :p