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Practising Troublemaker
December 16, 2007, 08:16 PM
Call me silly but even after all this time of being a Morrissey fan I have neevr bothered to find out who Jake is and yet there is much mention of his name, who is he?

...by the way please don't really call me silly :(

Love PTxx.

Young And Alive
December 16, 2007, 08:24 PM
He was Morrissey's PA between (I think) '92 and '94. Apparently he used to be a boxer, hence Moz's obsession with boxing during the mid-90s.

They say they two of them lived together too, but that it ended in '95, reportedly due to Jake's drug addiction. The song Sunny is said to be about Jake.

Also, in '97 Moz said in an interview that he had loved someone, but that it had finished two years earlier, which would make it appear to be Jake he's talking about.

However, no-one knows if it was a sexual relationship, or whether it was a platonic friendship, as with Johnny Marr. Moz said several times during The Smiths that he 'loved' Marr, so anyone trying to decipher Moz's sexuality from the Jake era should think again!

Morrissey is also known to have had several Jake-type relationships with women over the years, so to say that he must be gay purely because he lived with Jake is wide of the mark to say the least.

Kewpie
December 16, 2007, 08:28 PM
Old gossip about Jake:

http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=57076

Many people saw him when they attended store signning.

Practising Troublemaker
December 16, 2007, 09:03 PM
He was Morrissey's PA between (I think) '92 and '94. Apparently he used to be a boxer, hence Moz's obsession with boxing during the mid-90s.

They say they two of them lived together too, but that it ended in '95, reportedly due to Jake's drug addiction. The song Sunny is said to be about Jake.

Also, in '97 Moz said in an interview that he had loved someone, but that it had finished two years earlier, which would make it appear to be Jake he's talking about.

However, no-one knows if it was a sexual relationship, or whether it was a platonic friendship, as with Johnny Marr. Moz said several times during The Smiths that he 'loved' Marr, so anyone trying to decipher Moz's sexuality from the Jake era should think again!

Morrissey is also known to have had several Jake-type relationships with women over the years, so to say that he must be gay purely because he lived with Jake is wide of the mark to say the least.

Thanks for this, I didn't know this before, it is really interesting.

Love PTxx.

Practising Troublemaker
December 16, 2007, 09:03 PM
Old gossip about Jake:

http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=57076

Many people saw him when they attended store signning.

I shall read through that when I get chance, cheers!

Love PTxx.

BillyBudd
December 16, 2007, 09:04 PM
There is a video somewhere from that signing where you can see him. 'The Operation' is also said to be about him, and perhaps also 'Best friend on the payroll'?

I don't know and don't care whether they were romantically involved.

Bluebirds
December 16, 2007, 09:11 PM
Heres a good story. Fuck knows if its true.... From the main site not Anno Domini (ie after You Are The Quarry..)

I spotted that old Moz sidekick Jake paying pool in an East End drinking establishment on Saturday. Despite the presence of his less than friendly looking chums I finally summoned up the guts to speak to the said suedehead. 'Jake?' I tentatively began.

'Yeah'? he responded.

So it was him! At last I was on the brink, the cusp, the very precipice of being privy to some salacious juicy gossip on the Great Mancunian Hermit himself!!! I steeled myself . . .

'Seen Moz recently?' I enquired, affecting the air of studied indifference.

'Fuck off.'

I froze. Had he really told me to fuck off? or was he just coughing?

It was said as casually as on might blink or swot an annoying fly. I decided for my own safety to leave at this point when, adding insult to injury, one of his tattooed acquaintances branded me a 'fucking student' I left in a state of utter dejection. Not only had I failed in my quest for gossip but I had been publicly humiliated into the bargain. Later however, I was proudly telling my housemates that Jake had told me to fuck off! 'Er . . . Who's Jake?' they chorused.

vivabob
December 16, 2007, 09:20 PM
there is plenty of gossip about jake in david bretts , scandal and passion book , he has had loads of mentions on here over the years

another one to look up is peter hogg , who had a similar rent a chap relationship with moz in the early 90's

raincoated lover
December 16, 2007, 09:33 PM
http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=460&d=1152805662

Morrissey and Jake.
It could have been me (I am also a Jake).

vivabob
December 16, 2007, 09:53 PM
http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=460&d=1152805662

Morrissey and Jake.
It could have been me (I am also a Jake).

in glasgow a jake is an alcoholic lol

vicarinatutugal
December 16, 2007, 09:56 PM
in glasgow a jake is an alcoholic lol

A jakey is a junkie right? or just an alkie bam?

vivabob
December 16, 2007, 09:59 PM
A jakey is a junkie right? or just an alkie bam?

a jakey is just an alkie or alcoholic

a junkie is just a scumbag lol

vicarinatutugal
December 16, 2007, 10:03 PM
a jakey is just an alkie or alcoholic

a junkie is just a scumbag lol

oh I have been getting my jakeys and Junkies mixed up.
To keep it on topic, have Morrissey draped over Jake
http://motorcycleaupairboy.com/gallery/data/media/24/mozbelly.jpg

raincoated lover
December 16, 2007, 10:08 PM
Not as handsome as I had presumed....

Corrissey
December 16, 2007, 10:20 PM
I prefer this Jake (way hotter) :)
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m18/gwennie_gracie/MOVIES/JakeRyan16Candles.jpg

mspendl828
December 16, 2007, 10:23 PM
I believe that boyfriend Jake is a different person to photographer Jake though, right? There was a big discussion about it on here years ago.

Chad
December 16, 2007, 10:23 PM
I prefer this Jake (way hotter) :)
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m18/gwennie_gracie/MOVIES/JakeRyan16Candles.jpg
I prefer this Jake:

http://www.myclassiclyrics.com/artist_biographies/Jake_Gyllenhaal_Biography.jpg

vicarinatutugal
December 16, 2007, 10:26 PM
I believe that boyfriend Jake is a different person to photographer Jake though, right? There was a big discussion about it on here years ago.

yes as far as I know people said there was two Jakes.
All I know is that Jake up there def took photo's of Morrissey http://www.passionsjustlikemine.com/images/myim-ukpr.jpg
http://motorcycleaupairboy.com/gallery/data/media/18/jake_moz2.jpg

Corrissey
December 16, 2007, 10:33 PM
I prefer this Jake:

http://www.myclassiclyrics.com/artist_biographies/Jake_Gyllenhaal_Biography.jpg

ooooh yeah ~touche :)

CrystalGeezer
December 17, 2007, 12:08 AM
http://motorcycleaupairboy.com/gallery/data/media/24/mozbelly.jpg

I'd do anything to have Morrissey so content and relaxed on my belly. Okay maybe not the big crazy ZOW tattoo, but pretty much anything else.

PregnantForTheLastTime
December 17, 2007, 12:19 AM
I'd do anything to have Morrissey so content and relaxed on my belly. Okay maybe not the big crazy ZOW tattoo, but pretty much anything else.

It says MOZ. Would you get that tattoo?

Amy
December 17, 2007, 12:23 AM
big crazy ZOW tattoo, but pretty much anything else.

ZOW? Read it the other way round :p

Amy
December 17, 2007, 12:26 AM
However, no-one knows if it was a sexual relationship, or whether it was a platonic friendship, as with Johnny Marr. Moz said several times during The Smiths that he 'loved' Marr,



ooer missus :p :o :D

Has Marr ever said anything similar?

I remembered reading an old interview on Comtesse' site where he jokes about having the best-looking drummer in any band, and bassist etc, and then he says "Anything I have to say about Morrissey has already been well documented. Probably too much". Mwhahaa...

CrystalGeezer
December 17, 2007, 12:44 AM
It says MOZ. Would you get that tattoo?
That was an attempt at humor. And no, I wouldn't get a Moz tattoo either. In spirit I would, but I'm not the tattoin' type.

PregnantForTheLastTime
December 17, 2007, 12:46 AM
Oh, ok. I wouldn't get a tattoo of Moz, his name, or any other person's name or picture. Too much can change...

CrystalGeezer
December 17, 2007, 12:53 AM
Oh, ok. I wouldn't get a tattoo of Moz, his name, or any other person's name or picture. Too much can change...

For me it's not a question of change, my relationship with Morrissey is set in stone. I just prefer to keep my skin natural.

PregnantForTheLastTime
December 17, 2007, 12:57 AM
My skin will only talk about me... let Morrissey mark his skin to tell his story, if he wants to. It's my only skin, nobody else gets to mark it. What else do I truly own?

CrystalGeezer
December 17, 2007, 01:20 AM
Your hair.

PregnantForTheLastTime
December 17, 2007, 01:28 AM
Good point. :D

CrystalGeezer
December 17, 2007, 01:48 AM
But I would definitely (and have in the past) scratch his name on my arm with a fountain pen.

I was in High School. My mentor/seductor bought me a L'amy fountain pen. The first thing I did was scrawl his name in India Ink on the inside of my lower arm. I thought it was funny. He thought it was immature. I like to think of it as my first performance piece.

PregnantForTheLastTime
December 17, 2007, 01:55 AM
But I would definitely (and have in the past) scratch his name on my arm with a fountain pen.

I was in High School. My mentor/seductor bought me a L'amy fountain pen. The first thing I did was scrawl his name in India Ink on the inside of my lower arm. I thought it was funny. He thought it was immature. I like to think of it as my first performance piece.

My mentor/seductor didn't buy me a thing. He did introduce me to the music of the Smiths, however, and for that I will be eternally grateful.

CrystalGeezer
December 17, 2007, 02:03 AM
I've introduced ALL my lovers to the Smiths. They all owe me big time. In fact, my first boyfriend (who listened to rap when we met) actually met Morrissey. He asked him when he was planning on moving to America. Morrissey said, "You think I should?"

Dave
December 17, 2007, 03:30 AM
Call me silly but even after all this time of being a Morrissey fan I have neevr bothered to find out who Jake is and yet there is much mention of his name, who is he?

...by the way please don't really call me silly :(

Love PTxx.

Hint: You will never find a photo of "Jake" and Julia together.

Corrissey
December 17, 2007, 04:06 AM
I'd do anything to have Morrissey so content and relaxed on my belly. Okay maybe not the big crazy ZOW tattoo, but pretty much anything else.

Crystal, I totally got your joke :D and had a nice chuckle about it. Thx!
I thought it was really clever, esp since I never 'saw' (read) it that way and now I'll never look at it the same way again :)

CrystalGeezer
December 17, 2007, 05:21 AM
Sorry to mes with yer head.

Depeche609
December 17, 2007, 05:30 AM
Hint: You will never find a photo of "Jake" and Julia together.

wait..what?...:)

Not Right in the Head
December 17, 2007, 05:31 AM
This thread has gotten surreal--just the way I like it.

CrystalGeezer
December 17, 2007, 05:34 AM
Zow! Bam! Woo!

Corrissey
December 17, 2007, 06:12 AM
Zow! Bam! Woo!

ooM! maB! moZ! :D

CrystalGeezer
December 17, 2007, 06:15 AM
Hey, that worked out quite nice!

sistasheila
December 17, 2007, 04:41 PM
edit:
MOZ stated in OBSERVER(26 Feb 95):"I HAVE HAD an relationship which opened up a crucial area within me.
There is something unstoppable about the Wilde story, and my own" "A Walk On The Wilde Side", interview by MICHAEL BRACEWELL.

RTE Guide Jan 96: moz said:"Around Vauxhall,thats where it all came to a head: Personal life Private Life you know?"
jake moved into moz`s house in camden for a certain time. acc to an uncut interview in 98 and confirmed by jake himself
my observation as well as pandora cocteau`s
that the song whatever happens, i love you could be about jake
i am thinking about the line "we stole each other`s clothes" cause moz did wear this white jacket that jake always wear on some promopics (he wears it also on the q awards-pic with suede singer and on a few other occasions/photoshoots) and it looks it a few sizes too small for him so i gues its jake`s jacket
so the song could be about him. or at least be inspired by him..
as well as now i am a was, you should have been nice to me

here is a thread about the comfusion on jake owen /jake walters
http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=54320&highlight=Jake+Owen

here is jake as being shown as one of the photographers of the national portrait gallery
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images.npg.org.uk:8080/OCimg/120_120/4/6/mw15946.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/person.php%3FLinkID%3Dmp15456&usg=__fMpDwIBgpBaZjjYVopTuEQfefmU=&h=93&w=120&sz=26&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=We0XbW0JRo1kBM:&tbnh=68&tbnw=88&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djake%2Bwalters,%2Bnational%2Bportrait %2Bgallery%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

King Leer
December 17, 2007, 06:25 PM
Interesting to re-read that thread. But looking at the right-hand photo in the below panel from Jake Walters' (professional photographer) site -- isn't that Jake Owen taking the photo? Unless they had the same haircut and white denim jacket...I don't get it. It's similar to the shot on the promo cover of the US single (have I got that right?) of Now My Heart Is Full, where Jake (Owen?) is taking photo together with shirtless Moz in the mirror.

bhops
December 17, 2007, 08:18 PM
Sistasheila,

I think you're right about 'Whatever Happens'.

I saw Moz at brixton on the 1995 Boxers tour just after Jake had apparently disappeared from view.

Moz looked effing depressed on that tour I might add and it didn't surprise me that he he had a virtual breakdown later that year when he walked off the Bowie tour.

Anyways when he came to sing 'Whatever happens' he changed the lyric from 'we stole each other's clothes' to 'we WORE each others clothes' which i felt was a direct reference to what you mentioned.

Also King Leer I happen to think Jake Owen/Walters are the same person. Everyone on this site gets so worked up between the different surnames but I think somewhere along the way his surname either got mixed up by a journalist or perhaps he even wanted a different surname for whatever reason.

Don''t forget if you'd followed the career of New Order Bernard has gone under the guise of Dicken/Albrecht/Sumner at various stages, perhaps this is a similiar case.

I for instance have a friend that changed his surname back to his mother's maiden name because he hated his father so much. These things do happen. So I'm with you, there was/is only one Jake.

no one in particular
December 18, 2007, 03:38 AM
Interesting to re-read that thread. But looking at the right-hand photo in the below panel from Jake Walters' (professional photographer) site -- isn't that Jake Owen taking the photo? Unless they had the same haircut and white denim jacket...I don't get it. It's similar to the shot on the promo cover of the US single (have I got that right?) of Now My Heart Is Full, where Jake (Owen?) is taking photo together with shirtless Moz in the mirror.

wait, you didn't mean The More You Ignore Me promo, did you? (which is from your old thread reposted by sistasheila...)
http://www.morrisseymadness.co.uk/Morrissey-The-More-You-Igno-25522b.jpg

no one in particular
December 18, 2007, 03:47 AM
More pics of jake that have been floating around but not yet in this thread i don't think:

http://motorcycleaupairboy.com/gallery/data/media/19/jakemozz.jpg
from: http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?p=674327#post674327

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa129/MOZZER1974/img190.jpg2.jpg
from: http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showpost.php?p=709847&postcount=19

no one in particular
December 18, 2007, 04:16 AM
Sistasheila,

I think you're right about 'Whatever Happens'.

I saw Moz at brixton on the 1995 Boxers tour just after Jake had apparently disappeared from view.

Moz looked effing depressed on that tour I might add and it didn't surprise me that he he had a virtual breakdown later that year when he walked off the Bowie tour.

Anyways when he came to sing 'Whatever happens' he changed the lyric from 'we stole each other's clothes' to 'we WORE each others clothes' which i felt was a direct reference to what you mentioned.

Also King Leer I happen to think Jake Owen/Walters are the same person. Everyone on this site gets so worked up between the different surnames but I think somewhere along the way his surname either got mixed up by a journalist or perhaps he even wanted a different surname for whatever reason.

So I'm with you, there was/is only one Jake.

interesting, bhops.

also in general,
in his old thread (reposted by sistasheila), king leer listed this jake walters photographer website: http://www.jakewalters.com/ ....clicking on "archive" at the top on the homepage leads you to those pics of morrissey (that king leer showed above), in the "01" spot.

that isn't jake in "archive" pic "07", is it? :confused:

no one in particular
December 18, 2007, 04:39 AM
and the middle photo of that "01" "archive' panel shows moz in that white jacket sistasheila described, and then jake in it in the next photo over ("wearing each others' clothes" ;)):

http://www.jakewalters.com/images/1162512676.jpg

CrystalGeezer
December 18, 2007, 04:45 AM
tap tap tap

King Leer
December 18, 2007, 05:55 AM
Yes, that's the one. My mistake (blame it on slowly decreasing neurons).


wait, you didn't mean The More You Ignore Me promo, did you? (which is from your old thread reposted by sistasheila...)
http://www.morrisseymadness.co.uk/Morrissey-The-More-You-Igno-25522b.jpg

bhops
December 18, 2007, 06:05 AM
interesting, bhops.

also in general,
in his old thread (reposted by sistasheila), king leer listed this jake walters photographer website: http://www.jakewalters.com/ ....clicking on "archive" at the top on the homepage leads you to those pics of morrissey (that king leer showed above), in the "01" spot.

that isn't jake in "archive" pic "07", is it? :confused:

Yeah i'm pretty sure it's the same Jake all the way through.

if you take the surname out of the equation it always leads back to the same Jake.

At the time of the Vauxhall record signings at HMV Jake was identified as being in the band 'Big Hard Excellent Fish' I think they were called and it showed a photo of him with the singer Josie Jones, again same Jake.

Remember how Moz has used 'Imperfect list'several times since on his outro/intro music when playing live, which I always thought was a sweet acknowledgment.

Now if you argue that Jake Owen and Jake Walters are indeed 2 different people then you would have to work on the supposition that the photo you mentioned on the Jake Walters website is actually of Jake Owen and Morrissey, because that's definately the Jake that we the fans know. That makes no sense!!

I think they just think they got his surname wrong for whatever reason and it's been sending the fans on this site into a spin ever since!!

I'm not sure what Moz thinks of all this. I'd like to think it faintly amuses him but I have the feelings it probably pains him for the obvious nostalgic reasons.

Oh and also if he was in a band it makes sense that he could well drift into photography, you know how these 'arty' types are-just think Linder.

King Leer
December 18, 2007, 06:09 AM
Well, I've always wondered about that but nobody's ever confirmed it. It seemed a bit odd that he'd have Two Jakes (pun intended) hanging around at the same time in his career. Although some people said that Jake Owen's photos (such as on the back of Vauxhall) are obviously the mark of an amateur, while Walters' were/are not.

The only picture I've ever been able to find of Jake Walters the photographer is the attached image from the National Portrait Gallery site (it was part of a series of photos of photographers taken in 2000). He's third from the right. Is that the same guy?? If it is -- mystery solved once and for all. I could've looked up a larger version on their computer system when I visited the NPG a couple months ago but didn't think. Somebody pop over.

So it's Jake Walters (formerly Owen) with a career spanning boxing, Morrissey assistant and professional photographer? Bizarre.

Edit: I posted this before reading your follow-up. Very well broken down -- I agree with it all.



Sistasheila,
Also King Leer I happen to think Jake Owen/Walters are the same person. Everyone on this site gets so worked up between the different surnames but I think somewhere along the way his surname either got mixed up by a journalist or perhaps he even wanted a different surname for whatever reason.

Don''t forget if you'd followed the career of New Order Bernard has gone under the guise of Dicken/Albrecht/Sumner at various stages, perhaps this is a similiar case.


I for instance have a friend that changed his surname back to his mother's maiden name because he hated his father so much. These things do happen. So I'm with you, there was/is only one Jake.

bhops
December 18, 2007, 06:14 AM
Well, I've always wondered about that but nobody's ever confirmed it. It seemed a bit odd that he'd have Two Jakes (pun intended) hanging around at the same time in his career. And some people said that Jake Owen's photos (such as on the back of Vauxhall) are obviously the mark of an amateur, while Walters' were/are not.

The only picture I've ever been able to find of Jake Walters the photographer is the attached image from the National Portrait Gallery site (it was part of a series of photos of photographers taken in 2000). He's third from the right. Is that the same guy?? If it is -- mystery solved once and for all. I could've looked it up on their computer system when I visited the NPG a couple months ago but didn't think. Somebody pop over.

So it's Jake Walters (formerly Owen) with a career spanning boxing, Morrissey assistant and professional photographer? Bizarre.

King Leer,

I'm pretty sure tha's him with slightly longer hair-emphasis on slightly.

And yes kind of bizarre carrer but no more bizarre than Linder's for instance and I think the boxer part was a little bit overstated by the press.

no one in particular
December 18, 2007, 06:34 AM
Yes, that's the one. My mistake (blame it on slowly decreasing neurons).
no problem, you had it correct there in your original "two jakes" thread...i got it from there...:)

decreasing in number or in activity?


Yeah i'm pretty sure it's the same Jake all the way through.

At the time of the Vauxhall record signings at HMV Jake was identified as being in the band 'Big Hard Excellent Fish' I think they were called and it showed a photo of him with the singer Josie Jones, again same Jake.

Remember how Moz has used 'Imperfect list'several times since on his outro/intro music when playing live, which I always thought was a sweet acknowledgment.

Now if you argue that Jake Owen and Jake Walters are indeed 2 different people then you would have to work on the supposition that the photo you mentioned on the Jake Walters website is actually of Jake Owen and Morrissey, because that's definately the Jake that we the fans know. That makes no sense!!


about the imperfect list, yes, this post by "joe frady" shows up on that old thread as well (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showpost.php?p=298859&postcount=11):

The Three Jakes ?
> Just to add to the confusion ~
If you read the copyright/publishing info in the insert from the "Who Put the 'M' in Manchester ?" DVD you'll notice that one of the names responsible for 'Imperfect List' by Big Hard Excellent Fish is one Jake Walters. It also says that the Master was licensed from Walters/Jones/Way.
I would imagine this means that every time that bloody song got played throughout the 2004 tour Mr. Jake Walters was getting a little beer money.
Which is sweet.
joe.

King Leer
December 18, 2007, 06:41 AM
So maybe "Jake Owen" was simply the name he used in his Moz assistant position and that's all there is to it.

It's interesting that "Imperfect List" has kept the link between Moz and Jake alive, because despite an interesting sound and good vocal delivery, some of that list is massively out of date.

Jake still "on the payroll," then? Judging by the celebrities he's photographing, he doesn't need it!

no one in particular
December 18, 2007, 06:45 AM
King Leer,
I'm pretty sure tha's him with slightly longer hair-emphasis on slightly.

from what i can make out of him from the small photo, it strongly resembles all the other pics of jake we've seen. i tend to agree.




that isn't jake in "archive" pic "07", is it? :confused:



Yeah i'm pretty sure it's the same Jake all the way through.
did you mean that to also apply to pic 07? (edit: and i mean that jake is the guy IN the picture)
which is this
http://www.jakewalters.com/images/1162501457.jpg

no one in particular
December 18, 2007, 06:55 AM
So maybe "Jake Owen" was simply the name he used in his Moz assistant position and that's all there is to it.


with all the references to jake walters about, where did you hear about his last name being "owen"?

King Leer
December 18, 2007, 07:08 AM
In print? Someone with better archives or powers of recall could probably cite some articles.

It could've been something as simple as Walters introducing himself as "Owen" to journalists to separate one part of his career from another, from which it perpetuated.


with all the references to jake walters about, where did you hear about his last name being "owen"?

bhops
December 18, 2007, 07:43 AM
In print? Someone with better archives or powers of recall could probably cite some articles.

It could've been something as simple as Walters introducing himself as "Owen" to journalists to separate one part of his career from another, from which it perpetuated.

I believe he was credited only once as Jake Owen, I think it was in Peepholism.

Otherwise he has always to the best of my knowledge been credited as Jake Walters-it was just that once that has started the Jake frenzy that has raged on this website for over 2 years now.

no one in particular
December 18, 2007, 07:44 AM
ok, i just found something referencing jake owen from this page:
http://passionsjustlikemine.com/disc/moz-d23myim.htm


"The More You Ignore Me The Closer I Get"
February/March 1994

Artwork information:
Morrissey, photographed by Linder Sterling (front only). The UK promo described above shows Morrissey with Jake Owen, boxer and friend. Photo taken by Jake through a mirror.

Then others like boxers, now my heart is full, and hold on to your friends, credit: jake walters

http://passionsjustlikemine.com/disc/moz-d29boxers.htm
http://passionsjustlikemine.com/disc/moz-d28nmhif.htm
http://passionsjustlikemine.com/disc/moz-d26holdon.htm

bhops
December 18, 2007, 07:58 AM
ok, i just found something referencing jake owen from this page:
http://passionsjustlikemine.com/disc/moz-d23myim.htm


"The More You Ignore Me The Closer I Get"
February/March 1994

Artwork information:
Morrissey, photographed by Linder Sterling (front only). The UK promo described above shows Morrissey with Jake Owen, boxer and friend. Photo taken by Jake through a mirror.

Then others like boxers, now my heart is full, and hold on to your friends, credit: jake walters

http://passionsjustlikemine.com/disc/moz-d29boxers.htm
http://passionsjustlikemine.com/disc/moz-d28nmhif.htm
http://passionsjustlikemine.com/disc/moz-d26holdon.htm

Yeah this is where the confusion has started.

But as I've said before trail back to the Jakewalters website. In his portrait page he has a photo of Morrissey and Jake. Again this looks like a photograph taken in a mirror. Now if that is a photo of Morrissey and Jake Owen then why the flipping heck would jake Walters include that on his website?

This is the last I will say on this, i turn this debate over to others.

no one in particular
December 18, 2007, 09:05 AM
Yeah this is where the confusion has started.

But as I've said before trail back to the Jakewalters website. In his portrait page he has a photo of Morrissey and Jake. Again this looks like a photograph taken in a mirror. Now if that is a photo of Morrissey and Jake Owen then why the flipping heck would jake Walters include that on his website?

This is the last I will say on this, i turn this debate over to others.

oh, i agree with you and king leer on this. and your contributions have been essential!

exactly, why would jake walters website have a pic of jake owen/moz on it, with that pic taken in the mirror with jake holding the camera (as well as the adjacent pic of moz wearing the jake owen white jacket)?

also, you said the jake (owen) we all know (by his pic) who was at the hmv vauxhall signings was credited with being with Big Hard Excellent Fish at that time...and the other post that i found from the related thread mentions that the 'who put the m in man' dvd credits jake walters as one of the names responsible for the imperfect list by big hard excellent fish.

so, yeah, i concur -- i will buy that there is just one jake. :D

last thing i am still wondering from you bhops (or anyone really!), is do you think that pic i inquired about in my post above is actually jake in the photo? it looks like him to me, but i could be wrong...

sore_lips
December 18, 2007, 02:29 PM
I prefer this Jake:

http://www.myclassiclyrics.com/artist_biographies/Jake_Gyllenhaal_Biography.jpg

and I prefer this Jake:

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6213/1101ru0.jpg

:)

dicartwright
December 18, 2007, 03:00 PM
I do think these two had something going on, but always wondered why. Morrissey can do SO much better! I mean, SO much. I don't like how Jake looks. What is it about him? Does Moz likes 'em small? Blond? Why picking someone who uses drugs? Didn't he know?
I only forgive Johnny.