if you could change ONE thing about morrissey..........

[speedfreaks ball]

i would make him straight , what would you do?

[Comtesse]

I would make him an outspoken atheist, and opponent of the Catholic Church.

[Worm]

I'd make him more eager to seek out guitarist/songwriters who are better suited to his level of talent.

[Not Right in the Head]

I'd make him re-record Kill Uncle with Th'Lads.

[Skinner]

I'd make him more eager to seek out guitarist/songwriters who are better suited to his level of talent.

Please explain...

[Not Right in the Head]

Please explain...

Morrissey's choices of backing musicians have never been consistent. Some are good live players, some are good studio players, some are okay songwriters, but perhaps only Boz has been decent at all three. His current live band is excellent, but I'm not looking forward to what they do in the studio.

[Skinner]

Morrissey's choices of backing musicians have never been consistent. Some are good live players, some are good studio players, some are okay songwriters, but perhaps only Boz has been decent at all three. His current live band is excellent, but I'm not looking forward to what they do in the studio.

OK. I get it. And I agree with your final statement very much so. I want to hear Matt do studio work. I really admire him as a drummer.

[Not Right in the Head]

OK. I get it. And I agree with your final statement very much so. I want to hear Matt do studio work. I really admire him as a drummer.

Then you don't agree with my final statement, right?

[mar2d2]

I would totally make him my bitch (did i just write that?)

[Skinner]

Then you don't agree with my final statement, right?

Please excuse me. I am dyslexic (as if you couldn't tell already by my horrible spelling), and sometimes words elude me. haha. I didn't see the "not" in that sentence.

I AM looking forward to see what they do in the studio for the new material. I like them.

I guess agree to disagree. And when the new material is released and its amazing musically, I won't say I told you so :p jk

[lottie]

ooh hard Q,
other than the selfish things like, make him realise i am the best friend he needs. (stuff the rest of them, ;))

I really would like to see him be more active with and for PETA, he can use his position to great advantage.

but thats not neccessarily a thing to 'change' more of a request, and please lets not start off the whole 'i hate PETA debate' its getting old and tired now. :rolleyes:

[CrystalGeezer]

I'd gently encourage him to maybe possibly consider holding less grudges. But that might make him hold a grudge against me and that would not be good. But if he wanted to hold a grudge against me that would be fine...okay I'll just shut up now.

[Worm]

Please explain...

I would like Morrissey to work with a guitar player whose talent towers over other musicians the way Morrissey's does over other singer/songwriters.

[suparni]

I really would like to see him be more active with and for PETA, he can use his position to great advantage.

YAAAAAYYYY!


and please lets not start off the whole 'i hate PETA debate' its getting old and tired now. :rolleyes:

no it's not - you are absolutely RIGHT :D

[bagface]

i would like him to come to minneapolis when he tours

[Kuiper]

I agree with CrystalGeezer about the grudges thing. And furthermore I'd like him to stop wishing death and misery upon people. He may not do it that often, but it just sounds like an overdramatic, nasty cliché to "wish the very worst upon" someone for the rest of their days or beg for someone to die. I find that reprehensible and unnecessary. If he wants to criticize Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, or George W. Bush he is entitled to have his opinions and to say them, but it's never acceptable to call for, celebrate, or say it would have been good for someone to die.

[Sonia]

I would make him immortal :)

[Skinner]

I would make him immortal :)

Good one! *high five!*

[Chartres]

I would like him to become a Buddhist and then write his own On The Road:D

[PregnantForTheLastTime]

Uh... clone him so I could have one for my very own?

I wouldn't change anything. I'm just glad I have been able to listen to him over the years, and, even more, see him sing so many times this year. I'm just grateful for him.

[speedfreaks ball]

I would like him to become a Buddhist and then write his own On The Road:D

id like see him with his head shaved too.

[Chartres]

id like see him with his head shaved too.

Yes, dressed in orange:).

[CrystalGeezer]

Yes, dressed in orange:).
He could materialize front-of-the-line bracelets from ashes. It would be spectacular.

[Comtesse]

I agree with CrystalGeezer about the grudges thing. And furthermore I'd like him to stop wishing death and misery upon people. He may not do it that often, but it just sounds like an overdramatic, nasty cliché to "wish the very worst upon" someone for the rest of their days or beg for someone to die. I find that reprehensible and unnecessary. If he wants to criticize Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, or George W. Bush he is entitled to have his opinions and to say them, but it's never acceptable to call for, celebrate, or say it would have been good for someone to die.

When it's one of those people, it's not only acceptable, it's humane! Not wishing ill upon them would be reprehensible.

But yes, when it comes to people like Johnny Rogan or Mike Joyce, he does overdo it a bit.

[CrystalGeezer]

There are a lot of good reasons to hold a grudge. People in life can really fuck you up when you least expect it, but in the end it always seems to work out, so why waste the mental energy? I can't vouch for why he grudges or the nature of the grudges, I just think he might be a bit happier if he let go of the true ones. Sort of like cleaning your closet to make room for newer, prettier clothes.

[Mars_Rover]

I would send him to get his eyebrows trimmed and shaped. That is all. Other than that, he's perfect.

[CrystalGeezer]

I would send him to get his eyebrows trimmed and shaped. That is all. Other than that, he's perfect.

Are you insane? Seriously. You must me insane. Do. Not. Touch. The. Brows. no offence meant :p

[Vauxhall95]

I would like Morrissey to work with a guitar player whose talent towers over other musicians the way Morrissey's does over other singer/songwriters.

I would like Morrissey's ego to allow that to happen!:)

[suparni]

I would like him to become a Buddhist and then write his own On The Road:D

I think he pretty much has been writing his own On the Road - no?

[nugz]

nothing! his imperfections make him perfect!


oh im such a cheezball!

[Skinner]

nothing! his imperfections make him perfect!


oh im such a cheezball!

yes you are. But we love you anyway :p

[nugz]

yes you are. But we love you anyway :p

thank you, i love you too! :D

ehhhhhhhhh......feelin.....sicky......:o

[pandora_cocteau]

he is so amazingly perfect as is...it's kind of hard to find something...BUT here it goes, as a Canadian whiner...:
I'd like him to actually get more involved with the anti seal hunt campaign, and stand behind his decision with more validity. We all understand WHY he is doing it...and are suffering because of it, finding new ways to see him etc etc etc....but I personally feel that he hasn't done ANYTHING else to raise awareness to his stance. I'd very much like this sacrifice on both the Canadian listeners, and Morrissey's part, to actually make an effect on the issue. Otherwise, it really has no point.

[suparni]

he is so amazingly perfect as is...it's kind of hard to find something...BUT here it goes, as a Canadian whiner...:
I'd like him to actually get more involved with the anti seal hunt campaign, and stand behind his decision with more validity. We all understand WHY he is doing it...and are suffering because of it, finding new ways to see him etc etc etc....but I personally feel that he hasn't done ANYTHING else to raise awareness to his stance. I'd very much like this sacrifice on both the Canadian listeners, and Morrissey's part, to actually make an effect on the issue. Otherwise, it really has no point.

now now Pandy... are you complaining even when you were in town the very night he had his Canadian seal hunt rant in nyc? in town the very week we had 5 fabulous nights of Mozza? did you read my post to you about the mind being a pendulum and by all means try to make it to the shows... and now you complain that he doesn't come to you... when he even went to Central Park to try and find you?
tsk tsk... :p:p:p

[Not Right in the Head]

I cannot believe that none of the Frinkers have simply answered, "his pants."

[Corrissey]

Uh... clone him so I could have one for my very own?

I wouldn't change anything. I'm just glad I have been able to listen to him over the years, and, even more, see him sing so many times this year. I'm just grateful for him.

Clone him twice, please :)

I wouldn't change much - I love him for who he is, quirks, quips, flaws, drama, grudges and all. He's an enigma.

I would, however, love to hear some new songs that are reminiscent of his old/better material (including more lyrics, or more meaningful ones and less words like shit and puke) I do wish he'd dance a lot more and yes, keep wearing those frinky jeans.

[suparni]

I cannot believe that none of the Frinkers have simply answered, "his pants."

oh sure... try to blame your own idea on the frinkers...

[Skinner]

I cannot believe that none of the Frinkers have simply answered, "his pants."

Damn! That would have been great! I dont know why I havent contributed an actual answer. Just been commenting on those given by others. whatever

[Corrissey]

I cannot believe that none of the Frinkers have simply answered, "his pants."

Ha Ha! You ARE a frinker, dude. You thought of it, claim it.
Actually, he makes me need to change my pants :eek: :D

[Mars_Rover]

Are you insane? Seriously. You must me insane. Do. Not. Touch. The. Brows. no offence meant :p

Not insane. Neurotic, most definitely, but not mad. I just don't like bushy brows, not on Salma Hayek, and not on Morrissey. I would even take a tweezer to the angelic face of Dan Radcliffe.

[pandora_cocteau]

now now Pandy... are you complaining even when you were in town the very night he had his Canadian seal hunt rant in nyc? in town the very week we had 5 fabulous nights of Mozza? did you read my post to you about the mind being a pendulum and by all means try to make it to the shows... and now you complain that he doesn't come to you... when he even went to Central Park to try and find you?
tsk tsk... :p:p:p

hahaha I bet he was driving through the city trying to find me :P(honestly, that was THE weirdest coincidence of my life...which made me think there was something more to it, and basically made me break down and weeeep on the NY subway because I realized what a horrible, horrible mistake I've made not going to the shows...I not only ruined my trip with my friends because I was so depressed, but I robbed myself of 3 wonderful nights with Morrissey. It was a lose-lose situation).
But speaking to the NY crowd about the seal hunt does really little. I'd love to see him do something more with the CANADIAN audience, because we can really make a difference. There's a really cool guy in Canada called George Strombolopolous, he has his own show 'The Hour' on which he takes a different perspective on social issues, and has famous people all over the world attend (for example, Richard Dawkins was on it recently) and raise awareness to different things. Lots of people are influenced by George's show, and I'd love it if Morrissey did maybe a satelite interview explaining his decisions to the Canadians, and thereby raising more awareness.
Maybe I'll e-mail George about it....and try to contact Morrissey and see what he says..

[Not Right in the Head]

oh sure... try to blame your own idea on the frinkers...


Ha Ha! You ARE a frinker, dude. You thought of it, claim it.
Actually, he makes me need to change my pants :eek: :D

I just can't win, can I?

I feel like a baby seal in Canada.

[suparni]

hahaha I bet he was driving through the city trying to find me :P(honestly, that was THE weirdest coincidence of my life...which made me think there was something more to it, and basically made me break down and weeeep on the NY subway because I realized what a horrible, horrible mistake I've made not going to the shows...I not only ruined my trip with my friends because I was so depressed, but I robbed myself of 3 wonderful nights with Morrissey. It was a lose-lose situation).
But speaking to the NY crowd about the seal hunt does really little. I'd love to see him do something more with the CANADIAN audience, because we can really make a difference. There's a really cool guy in Canada called George Strombolopolous, he has his own show 'The Hour' on which he takes a different perspective on social issues, and has famous people all over the world attend (for example, Richard Dawkins was on it recently) and raise awareness to different things. Lots of people are influenced by George's show, and I'd love it if Morrissey did maybe a satelite interview explaining his decisions to the Canadians, and thereby raising more awareness.
Maybe I'll e-mail George about it....and try to contact Morrissey and see what he says..

Do it Pandy!!! get Moz on the show! Go for it...

I told you so about nyc... :p:p:p

[PregnantForTheLastTime]

hahaha I bet he was driving through the city trying to find me :P(honestly, that was THE weirdest coincidence of my life...which made me think there was something more to it, and basically made me break down and weeeep on the NY subway because I realized what a horrible, horrible mistake I've made not going to the shows...I not only ruined my trip with my friends because I was so depressed, but I robbed myself of 3 wonderful nights with Morrissey. It was a lose-lose situation).

Silly girl. He was wandering the city looking for me. Or possibly, he was just heading uptown to purchase more shirts. That's the most likely scenario.

[Not Right in the Head]

Silly girl. He was wandering the city looking for me. Or possibly, he was just heading uptown to purchase more shirts. That's the most likely scenario.

Someone's blood is up tonight!

[vicarinatutugal]

I cannot believe that none of you have simply answered, "his pants." Cause now I am a total frinker that is what I would say.

Well I think it is wonderful that you feel you can share this with us NRitH, it shows you feel you are amongst friends.



ok, don't kill me it was a joke!:D

[triumphs&charms]

I'd make him a little bit unhappier, just in time for the next album.

Think about it before you slaughter me.

His saddest songs are our favourites, just look at Houdini's polls :I Know It's Over, Still Ill, HSIN, Half A Person, Boy With The Thorn, Last Night I Dreamt, Maudlin, Seasick, Trouble Loves Me, Maladjusted, Life is a Pigsty, I've Changed My Plea, Please Let Me Get, I'll Never Be Anybody's to name but a few.

Then look at ones people dislike - it's usually (and I use that extremely loosely, because numerous exceptions) the happy ones: At Last I Am Born, Found F.F or the emotionally neutral: Lazy Dykes, He Cried, Dial A Cliche, Dagenham Dave.

[Not Right in the Head]

Well I think it is wonderful that you feel you can share this with us NRitH, it shows you feel you are amongst friends.

"Felt" is more like it. :D

[PregnantForTheLastTime]

Well I think it is wonderful that you feel you can share this with us NRitH, it shows you feel you are amongst friends.



ok, don't kill me it was a joke!:D

He'll never make that mistake again... ;)

[redpathetic]

I'd make him...demand that his audience give him the same respect that thespians get on stage. They sit quietly rapt, not like the typical Morrissey audience that is more and more like a football game.

[Not Right in the Head]

I'd make him...demand that his audience give him the same respect that thespians get on stage. They sit quietly rapt, not like the typical Morrissey audience that is more and more like a football game.

It should be the other way around--most thespians wish they received even an eleventieth of the adulation that Morrissey gets. The fanaticism is what makes a Morrissey show a Morrissey show.

[redpathetic]

It should be the other way around--most thespians wish they received even an eleventieth of the adulation that Morrissey gets. The fanaticism is what makes a Morrissey show a Morrissey show.
I know that my dream Morrissey show is only a dream.

[Depeche609]

i would make him straight , what would you do?

I can try to arrange that...What's his address? ;)

[JoyDiv007]

I'd want him to do more shows in my area.

[Raquel]

I wrote the following on the the Unflattering Photos Thread on October 7 in response to a criticism about his most recent appearances:
"Of course I love him just the way he is, but if I was him, I would drop no more than 8-10 pounds, wear solid darker and also some patterned shirts in his size but without the fitted seam in the front and/or back, dark jeans or dark trousers, let his hair grow a quarter of an inch, and then he would be perfection."

I am pleased to see he IS now wearing dark jeans, and generally dark trousers, and his shirts appear less fitted, the white embroidered one and a few other gray and black ones. Sure, he's on this site!

Now the ONE thing left~I would like him to find a mate, perhaps a best friend and/or lover. He seems quite alone much of the time. Of course he is so private and this could just be the impression he wants to make. But that recent Please, Please video makes me think he may be a bit lonely...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEK3ArpQYus
What about Linder, and his friends from the Importance of Morrissey video? We haven't seen much of them at all lately, Julia does not count! He needs some good company, there may be a few volunteers on this site...

[suparni]

I wrote the following on the the Unflattering Photos Thread on October 7 in response to a criticism about his most recent appearances:
"Of course I love him just the way he is, but if I was him, I would drop no more than 8-10 pounds, wear solid darker and also some patterned shirts in his size but without the fitted seam in the front and/or back, dark jeans or dark trousers, let his hair grow a quarter of an inch, and then he would be perfection."

I am pleased to see he IS now wearing dark jeans, and generally dark trousers, and his shirts appear less fitted, the white embroidered one and a few other gray and black ones. Sure, he's on this site!

Now the ONE thing left~I would like him to find a mate, perhaps a best friend and/or lover. He seems quite alone much of the time. Of course he is so private and this could just be the impression he wants to make. But that recent Please, Please video makes me think he may be a bit lonely...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEK3ArpQYus
What about Linder, and his friends from the Importance of Morrissey video? We haven't seen much of them at all lately, Julia does not count! He needs some good company, there may be a few volunteers on this site...


a few???

[imogen11]

hahaha I bet he was driving through the city trying to find me :P(honestly, that was THE weirdest coincidence of my life...which made me think there was something more to it, and basically made me break down and weeeep on the NY subway because I realized what a horrible, horrible mistake I've made not going to the shows...I not only ruined my trip with my friends because I was so depressed, but I robbed myself of 3 wonderful nights with Morrissey. It was a lose-lose situation).
But speaking to the NY crowd about the seal hunt does really little. I'd love to see him do something more with the CANADIAN audience, because we can really make a difference. There's a really cool guy in Canada called George Strombolopolous, he has his own show 'The Hour' on which he takes a different perspective on social issues, and has famous people all over the world attend (for example, Richard Dawkins was on it recently) and raise awareness to different things. Lots of people are influenced by George's show, and I'd love it if Morrissey did maybe a satelite interview explaining his decisions to the Canadians, and thereby raising more awareness.
Maybe I'll e-mail George about it....and try to contact Morrissey and see what he says..

Hey can anyone bring me up to date here - did you see Moz in Central Park, Pandora?

[viva hate1]

i would make him straight too :) damn i guess this is impossible :( and i would like him to dye his hair :D (i`m only joking)

[pandora_cocteau]

Hey can anyone bring me up to date here - did you see Moz in Central Park, Pandora?

yeah...
i was walking on 56th (or 65th? Whichever goes through Central Park!) and at a red light, I saw Morrissey in the back of a limousine just a few feet away from me. I stopped and stared in disbelief. It was crazy.

[imogen11]

yeah...
i was walking on 56th (or 65th? Whichever goes through Central Park!) and at a red light, I saw Morrissey in the back of a limousine just a few feet away from me. I stopped and stared in disbelief. It was crazy.

:eek:

And you chose not to go to the shows?

[celibate]

well not change, but I would like Morrissey to back up things the stands for,
he should be more politic active

he's so negative about labour/democrats/tories/liberals when it
comes to poitics

also about other things, like mega events like we has last year against
darfur, and that sorta concert/events who'll support the poverty in
3rd world countries, and there are still people like Hitler ruling certain countries [certain parts who were Russian, before it parted into 20 or more
countries, Shakasvily...does that ring a bell?] plus we have Birma/Rangoon Cuba... still a few south american countries ruled by an Army
Read this morning that the former first lady of Pakistan is put under house
order, after she returned to Pakistan for the elections soon, but Musharaf
sghows his true colours again, he's the prime minister and head of the army
in Pakistan. I can go on for a few hours.

but1 thing Morrissey should speak out more, cause he has the oportunity as
a celebrity to be heard, and why can he for once go on with a mega
event against poverty somewehere in the world

well I'll stop, but I think you know whats me point

[Kewpie]

well not change, but I would like Morrissey to back up things the stands for,
he should be more politic active

he's so negative about labour/democrats/tories/liberals when it
comes to poitics

also about other things, like mega events like we has last year against
darfur, and that sorta concert/events who'll support the poverty in
3rd world countries, and there are still people like Hitler ruling certain countries [certain parts who were Russian, before it parted into 20 or more
countries, Shakasvily...does that ring a bell?] plus we have Birma/Rangoon Cuba... still a few south american countries ruled by an Army
Read this morning that the former first lady of Pakistan is put under house
order, after she returned to Pakistan for the elections soon, but Musharaf
sghows his true colours again, he's the prime minister and head of the army
in Pakistan. I can go on for a few hours.

but1 thing Morrissey should speak out more, cause he has the oportunity as
a celebrity to be heard, and why can he for once go on with a mega
event against poverty somewehere in the world

well I'll stop, but I think you know whats me point


Do you think Morrissey should be like Bono and Bob Geldof?

Morrissey is a pop singer who has no political ambition.
I don't find anything wrong with it.

[EPbabe]

Eeeerm, nothing. :p

[Jones]

Do you think Morrissey should be like Bono and Bob Geldof?

Morrissey is a pop singer who has no political ambition.
I don't find anything wrong with it.

Nor me. I don't understand this view some people have that if you express a political opinion you should have to take it any further. We are all allowed an opinion.

[jeniphir]

No more talking US politics at gigs. I agree with everything he says and still find it annoying. It's just not the right context for it.

--jeniphir

[pandora_cocteau]

:eek:

And you chose not to go to the shows?

it was no longer a choice...when I tried, I failed. the person that was to sell me tickets bailed on me, and when I found only one one just minutes before the concerts, my friend who was with me couldn't go home alone (she is my age, and not from New York, and I couldn't let her roam the city all alone at night, especially since we were supposed to go together). And then I wept on the Subway...before and after. It was awwwwful (however, in order to confirm that it indeed it was Morrissey whom I saw in Central Park, we waited outside the concert after it was over...because we were in the area...and the license plates of his limousine was the same...so I wasn't just hallucinating)...

[ghostwiring]

I would make him immortal :)

My thoughts exactly. :)

[Cassius]

Nothing, except that maybe we'd be homies.

[left out]

I'd like to see him with a lasting personal happiness/acceptance.

[westendgirl]

it was no longer a choice...when I tried, I failed. the person that was to sell me tickets bailed on me, and when I found only one one just minutes before the concerts, my friend who was with me couldn't go home alone (she is my age, and not from New York, and I couldn't let her roam the city all alone at night, especially since we were supposed to go together). And then I wept on the Subway...before and after. It was awwwwful (however, in order to confirm that it indeed it was Morrissey whom I saw in Central Park, we waited outside the concert after it was over...because we were in the area...and the license plates of his limousine was the same...so I wasn't just hallucinating)...

You saw Moz in Central Park? Do tell please. :)

[Hellie]

i would make him straight , what would you do?


But....he`s already straight.:p

[jeniphir]

But that recent Please, Please video makes me think he may be a bit lonely...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEK3ArpQYus

Methinks thou doest project too much. And not just thou, but many folks. I saw him 6 times in 9 days (nights) and came away from it convinced that a lot of his emotion--except for the happiness and exuberance and fun--is a put-on, a half-joke. I want to see him really feeling the songs he is singing, I went to the NYC gigs with that in the back of my mind, but the more I stand up front at shows, the less I believe any of this "Morrissey was so emotional during [old, sad Smiths song]." I don't doubt it looks that way from the back rows--it's meant to--but up close, it doesn't hold water. In that video you linked to, I think he was just listening to us sing, to be honest, which is a truly emotional moment, if you're in that crowd, and I suppose maybe for Morrissey as well, but not in the way you suggest.

So many people who've seen him for the first time recently marveled at how he was so overcome by "Please, Please, Please. . ." that he collapsed to one knee at the end, with his head bowed. Ah, but if they look closer they'll see he does that every time he sings it. And that's not even a bad thing; it looks dramatic, Elvis used to do the same thing (I feel sure that's why Moz does it), and, y'know, a little dramatic "stage business" is fine. . .but don't fool yrself into thinking you are witnessing 24-year-old Sad Moz suddenly taking over 48-year-old Seemingly-Content Moz's body because he's been so transported by his own profundity, memories of lost love, a really good veggie burger he ate for lunch, what have you. Well, actually, it might be that last one.

Same with the lying on the monitor/drum riser thing. . .maybe his back just hurts. He needs his nap. Something to that effect.

I really enjoy his performances, and I give him credit for not phoning them in after all this time. . .clearly he sings those songs he really enjoys singing, so he's into it, in that sense. But from what I've seen, there's just too much prozac flowing through those veins these days to allow for emotional breakdowns during songs he's been singing off and on for 20 years (and likely over 100 times just in the past two years).

Plus, that "have who I want" thing just makes me crazy with rage. . . ;-)

--jeniphir

[mar2d2]

It would be great if he could stop growing old.

One of these days he'll be sixty... and a sixty year old moz touching he's nipples on stage is gonna be grose.

[Not Right in the Head]

Methinks thou doest project too much. And not just thou, but many folks. I saw him 6 times in 9 days (nights) and came away from it convinced that a lot of his emotion--except for the happiness and exuberance and fun--is a put-on, a half-joke. I want to see him really feeling the songs he is singing, I went to the NYC gigs with that in the back of my mind, but the more I stand up front at shows, the less I believe any of this "Morrissey was so emotional during [old, sad Smiths song]." I don't doubt it looks that way from the back rows--it's meant to--but up close, it doesn't hold water. In that video you linked to, I think he was just listening to us sing, to be honest, which is a truly emotional moment, if you're in that crowd, and I suppose maybe for Morrissey as well, but not in the way you suggest.

Exactly. It's called acting, folks.

http://www.adjab.com/media/2006/06/jon-lovitz-subway.jpg

[vivabob]

i would like him to not be affected by what other people say , and get over his hatered of judges , mind you if he didnt we wouldnt have speedway which is amazing ... but enough is enough

[alsatianuncle]

i would make him unable to hate the other smiths lads so they can reform

[vivabob]

i would make him unable to hate the other smiths lads so they can reform

no do not reform .....

[Corrissey]

He should acknowledge, love and approve of Solo! (publicly anyway ;))
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j255/mozzygirl/Complete%20Moz/MozSolo.gif

[MozzaBedfordSpur]

That he finds the idea of love and living with a beautful female human being a wonderful and fulfilling thing, and that the women is solely designed to be the one he really loves.

[jeniphir]

That he finds the idea of love and living with a beautful female human being a wonderful and fulfilling thing, and that the women is solely designed to be the one he really loves.

Yeah, didn't we already have a few "turn 'im straight" posts?

I like him askew, m'self.

--jeniphir

[Depeche609]

That he finds the idea of love and living with a beautful female human being a wonderful and fulfilling thing, and that the women is solely designed to be the one he really loves.

And that woman can only be a woman that is a member of morrissey-solo because if not we will rip her apart..hahaha

[dicartwright]

I'd love it if he didn't believe in God, but seriously, no "I believe in a higher power" or "How else do you explain our existance?"

[Harsh Truth]

I would go back in time and steer him far away from some of those HORRIBLE shirts he wore in the early/mid 80s.

Granted, my wardrobe at that time was not stellar I'm sure (I'm sure you guys probably looked pretty silly too!) but most us are not captured in hunderds of photographs published in many publications and online for eternity!

[westendgirl]

That he finds the idea of love and living with a beautful female human being a wonderful and fulfilling thing, and that the women is solely designed to be the one he really loves.

Thank you. :)

[Amy]

But....he`s already straight.:p

lmao in what world? :D

[westendgirl]

lmao in what world? :D

This one...:rolleyes:

[mozlover]

Yeah, i'd convince him into becomming lads with his old chum Johnny!

[celibate]

Do you think Morrissey should be like Bono and Bob Geldof?

Morrissey is a pop singer who has no political ambition.
I don't find anything wrong with it.

erm no please:eek:

but he likes talking about certain major issues conerning ruling this planet,
so instaed of a witty talk at a gig ever night, Morrissey could back up
people who're doing good in his eyes
to in short, he should take a higher profile about worldissies, and no...
there's world between backing things up than Bono or Bob

[btw, never ever write about Bono in a reply to me, things can become
ugly , not for you, but for selfmade Saint Bono...errrr, Bono, damn now
me 'morning glory' coffee taste like lemon]

[Kewpie]

erm no please:eek:

but he likes talking about certain major issues conerning ruling this planet,
so instaed of a witty talk at a gig ever night, Morrissey could back up
people who're doing good in his eyes
to in short, he should take a higher profile about worldissies, and no...
there's world between backing things up than Bono or Bob

[btw, never ever write about Bono in a reply to me, things can become
ugly , not for you, but for selfmade Saint Bono...errrr, Bono, damn now
me 'morning glory' coffee taste like lemon]


Morrissey speaks out what he thinks it's important.

Unfortunately it's not porverty in the African nations or political situations in Pakistan or Middle East.
Morrissey knows thoes political issues are too complex to discuss in public domain and it's very risky to push himself into the situations which he doesn't want to set his foot in.

You should read Worm, Jones and Danny's posts who are very good at expressing their thoughts which you can trace from their user accounts.

[vivabob]

kewpie as much as i agree , i find that morrissey only really comments on politics to which he is directly involved or that affect him .

i agree that it wouldnt be a wise more to discuss others especially when he has no real first hand insights

anyway i think it better he avoids politics as we all should

[Buzzetta]

I wish he would install a trap door in the back of his head to think before he says or comments on the "issues" that he says are important. There are many things that he says that show very little thought.

Some here claim that those comments are what makes him so "adoring" to his fans. I say that is a hypocritcal stance as they are usually the very first people to bash others for their comments and charities.

Think before you speak or simply shut up and sing.

[Sunbags]

I wish he'd shut up moaning about Madonna - that really, REALLY annoys me.

[Sunbags]

I wish he would install a trap door in the back of his head to think before he says or comments on the "issues" that he says are important. There are many things that he says that show very little thought.
Some here claim that those comments are what makes him so "adoring" to his fans. I say that is a hypocritcal stance as they are usually the very first people to bash others for their comments and charities.

Think before you speak or simply shut up and sing.

Very true.

[Danny]

I wish he would install a trap door in the back of his head to think before he says or comments on the "issues" that he says are important. There are many things that he says that show very little thought.

Some here claim that those comments are what makes him so "adoring" to his fans. I say that is a hypocritcal stance as they are usually the very first people to bash others for their comments and charities.

Think before you speak or simply shut up and sing.

What you're basically saying is: "He shouldn't say anything that I disagree with".

[Buzzetta]

What you're basically saying is: "He shouldn't say anything that I disagree with".

No - not true at all...

I disagree with a few things that he says but lashing out at people the way he does sometimes is simply catty, petty and annoying.

I agree with the poster above about the Madonna comments... enough we get it... you dont like her... I understand. I am not a Madonna fan either but it does not mean I need Morrissey's commentary.

[Danny]

No - not true at all...

I disagree with a few things that he says but lashing out at people the way he does sometimes is simply catty, petty and annoying.

I agree with the poster above about the Madonna comments... enough we get it... you dont like her... I understand. I am not a Madonna fan either but it does not mean I need Morrissey's commentary.

Well in my opinion the last thing he said about Madonna was very well put and not at all "lashing out". He made a very valid point about her chasing "causes" when it is quite obvious she is not really interested in them. In no way was it catty or petty. Catty is saying something nasty about someone for no reason. Morrissey's comment was right on the button and nailed what a lot of people feel about these celebrities that champion the most fashionable cause of the day.

[suparni]

Well in my opinion the last thing he said about Madonna was very well put and not at all "lashing out". He made a very valid point about her chasing "causes" when it is quite obvious she is not really interested in them. In no way was it catty or petty. Catty is saying something nasty about someone for no reason. Morrissey's comment was right on the button and nailed what a lot of people feel about these celebrities that champion the most fashionable cause of the day.

I am 100% with Danny on this one... thank goodness somebody notices and calls them on it. Go Moz! I was laughing when he was talking about the baby seals driving the bus, hanging from the trees - and whatnot... laughing and red in the face with energy - not because the subject is funny but because I sooo agree and I am so happy that he calls these RETARDED excuses and statements and people and shines light on just how dumb they really are.

[the judge]

I would make him eat meat too.

[Comtesse]

I would go back in time and steer him far away from some of those HORRIBLE shirts he wore in the early/mid 80s.

Granted, my wardrobe at that time was not stellar I'm sure (I'm sure you guys probably looked pretty silly too!) but most us are not captured in hunderds of photographs published in many publications and online for eternity!

HEY!!!!! Those shirts were BRILLIANT and if you dare touch a thread, well, sorrow will come to you!!!!

Viva the Evans Outsize Women's Shirts!

http://foreverill.com/gallery/data/media/93/colorcolor.jpg

However, the pearl buttoned cowboy shirts of the mid-90's? DEATH TO THEM!!!!

http://motorcycleaupairboy.com/gallery/data/media/92/rayguncover.jpg

[moscow kate]

I`d like him to not be so stubborn.

[Buzzetta]

Well in my opinion the last thing he said about Madonna was very well put and not at all "lashing out". He made a very valid point about her chasing "causes" when it is quite obvious she is not really interested in them. In no way was it catty or petty. Catty is saying something nasty about someone for no reason. Morrissey's comment was right on the button and nailed what a lot of people feel about these celebrities that champion the most fashionable cause of the day.

Sorry, but I disagree...

There were times at the Hammerstein last month when he was making his comments that I immediately said to myself on multiple nights... "Jesus... shut up and sing."

[Cassius]

If we changed any of these things, would he really be Morrissey?

[Not Right in the Head]

If we changed any of these things, would he really be Morrissey?

No, indeed. I get the impression that many of us would like to have a Lessissey.

[the judge]

If we changed any of these things, would he really be Morrissey?

*hand clapping*
Excellent post, Cassie.

[Hellie]

lmao in what world? :D


He`s sooooooooo straight.....just had a few "lapses" along the way.:p

[Im Still Ill]

How dare any of you pick fault with the man we all know and love. No-one's perfect and to sit and pick fault with anyone is just horrible and pathetic!

I'm an atheist but i'm starting to see where the term blasphemy came from!:mad:

[Sunbags]

Well in my opinion the last thing he said about Madonna was very well put and not at all "lashing out". He made a very valid point about her chasing "causes" when it is quite obvious she is not really interested in them. In no way was it catty or petty. Catty is saying something nasty about someone for no reason. Morrissey's comment was right on the button and nailed what a lot of people feel about these celebrities that champion the most fashionable cause of the day.

How is it obvious? When was the baby sent back to Malawi, can you tell me? He never liked Madonna, he finds any excuse to have a go at her, and that's what I find rather pathetic. It just annoys me the way he smirks to himself after he blurts out one of these bizarre comments, as if to say "Oh, I'm so brave and heroic for insulting Madonna......and they all agree with me!!". Well OF COURSE they would, you coward!

And as for chasing causes (or using them, rather):

Stating one the reasons why his single "The Youngest Was the Most Loved" should have done very well in the charts:

"enormous tabloid coverage of my animal rights comments"

On dropping your ethics for shoes:
"I find shoes difficult to be ethical about - one just can't seem to avoid leather. One is trapped, ultimately."

It just seems like, most of the time, he hasn't a damn clue what he's talking about, I mean anyone that came out with this (about the Queen):

"I think she's the only remotely acceptable member of the royal family, and I think that if this country has to have a royal family, then it should have her and nobody else"

I'd love to know how that would work........

[Amy]

How dare any of you pick fault with the man we all know and love. No-one's perfect and to sit and pick fault with anyone is just horrible and pathetic!

I'm an atheist but i'm starting to see where the term blasphemy came from!:mad:

Come now, Morrissey is just a man; not a God. He might be a wonderfully witty and poetic songwriter and a man who means a great deal to us, but he's still just that - a man. We are entitled to pick fault with him as we wish, as he does with others. It doesn't mean we don't love him, or that we won't buy his records and attend his concerts. No-one is perfect.

[Kewpie]

Come now, Morrissey is just a man; not a God. He might be a wonderfully witty and poetic songwriter and a man who means a great deal to us, but he's still just that - a man. We are entitled to pick fault with him as we wish, as he does with others. It doesn't mean we don't love him, or that we won't buy his records and attend his concerts. No-one is perfect.

Thank you Amy.
Yes, this site is not glorifymorrissey.com :p

[Trouble loves me]

I wouldn't change a damn thing about him. I love him, contradictions, confabulations, controversies and all.

I'd just like to change other people's (mis)perceptions of him.

[Im Still Ill]

Come now, Morrissey is just a man; not a God. He might be a wonderfully witty and poetic songwriter and a man who means a great deal to us, but he's still just that - a man. We are entitled to pick fault with him as we wish, as he does with others. It doesn't mean we don't love him, or that we won't buy his records and attend his concerts. No-one is perfect.

That's exactly the sort of thing i'm talking about!

[Amy]

That's exactly the sort of thing i'm talking about!

What, that's an example of 'blasphemy'?

So you think Morrissey is a perfect human? :rolleyes:

[Im Still Ill]

What, that's an example of 'blasphemy'?

So you think Morrissey is a perfect human? :rolleyes:

Just out of interest, how many other forums are you a member of that are dedicated to just one person?

Oh and in the highly unlikely event that you are i'd love to know who they are?

[Amy]

Just out of interest, how many other forums are you a member of that are dedicated to just one person?

Oh and in the highly unlikely event that you are i'd love to know who they are?

You've completely ignored my question and retorted with something completely irrelevant. Which makes me think you have no decent reply. I love Morrissey. However, I am fully aware that he is flawed, and I don't need to join a million websites to realise that.

[Im Still Ill]

You've completely ignored my question and retorted with something completely irrelevant. Which makes me think you have no decent reply. I love Morrissey. However, I am fully aware that he is flawed, and I don't need to join a million websites to realise that.

Fair point. The human race is just one big fat disappointment isn't it!

[Amy]

Fair point. The human race is just one big fat disappointment isn't it!

Personally, I don't think so. I accept Morrissey's flaws and I love him more because of them; one day I would like to find someone who would love me and my flaws similarly. Some people are lucky enough to have found that person already :).

[jeniphir]

Anyone else hearing (possibly blaspheming) cuckoo birds in the background of this thread?

--jeniphir

[oscillate wildly]

I want him to be my neighbour.

[pandora_cocteau]

I want him to be my neighbour.

but then you'd turn into a full-time stalker...no doubt. i know i would. and that would really take a tow on one's life...certainly...

[JoyDiv007]

I wouldn't change a damn thing about him. I love him, contradictions, confabulations, controversies and all.

I'd just like to change other people's (mis)perceptions of him.

Well said.

[bagface]

maybe someone has already said this but.....


don't point out his mistakes, he knows exactly what they are! :p

[celibate]

You should read Worm, Jones and Danny's posts who are very good at expressing their thoughts which you can trace from their user accounts.

I wonder if their good expressing their thoughts in Dutch, Kewpie

that's me main problem, I know what I wanna say but me english voculabury
is very poor [not more than 1000 words]...but theres nothing wrong with
me philosophing about certain issues, and my lifetime expierence in the
gutter/real world... just have problems to express them

1 more thing, I've 10 till 20 people seen calling yer name in posts, about that annoying behaviour of you, posting URL in posts to stop them because
they've already been discussed, I never saw you warning those people
calling your name, so go ahead with yer friendly club, but stop harassing
me about every time I do something others do as well, and you say nothing,
i call that hypocrite, same about yer kicks about me writing skills, I know
my mistakes and poor writing skills

ah what the hell, I told ya 10 times already, it has no sense, a month ago
same with nugz when your moving threads because they were in yer
anniversary posts thread, in which you wrote you didn't like it

look in the Dutch dictionary, there's a name for people like you
[ weerhaantje ], I spare you the time, it's about people who have no own
opinion and change their believes or what they wrote change into another
direction, just like the wind [weerhaantje] [it are those things on top of
the church or a building you can see what way the wind comes]

well enough, I might get banned or whatever for this, but at least I write
honoust and direct, and I will not change and I will not be nice [when I
get fooled around]

SEND

[Mayonia]

If you changed one thing, he wouldn't be Morrissey.....

For example, if he had not been born with a tiny reproductive organ.....his torment, depression and lonliness would have been so much less....and it's not likely he would have written all what he has. So much of his music is about this one trauma.

[Cassius]

*hand clapping*
Excellent post, Cassie.

**special"**
:D

[sore_lips]

How is it obvious? When was the baby sent back to Malawi, can you tell me? He never liked Madonna, he finds any excuse to have a go at her, and that's what I find rather pathetic. It just annoys me the way he smirks to himself after he blurts out one of these bizarre comments, as if to say "Oh, I'm so brave and heroic for insulting Madonna......and they all agree with me!!". Well OF COURSE they would, you coward!

And as for chasing causes (or using them, rather):

Stating one the reasons why his single "The Youngest Was the Most Loved" should have done very well in the charts:

"enormous tabloid coverage of my animal rights comments"

On dropping your ethics for shoes:
"I find shoes difficult to be ethical about - one just can't seem to avoid leather. One is trapped, ultimately."

It just seems like, most of the time, he hasn't a damn clue what he's talking about, I mean anyone that came out with this (about the Queen):

"I think she's the only remotely acceptable member of the royal family, and I think that if this country has to have a royal family, then it should have her and nobody else"

I'd love to know how that would work........

of course you are right, but this post only states that he´s a human being rather than some perfect being. i think the flaws he has can easily be overlooked. there are some things i don´t agree with that he says, so i just prefer to pick and choose those that i like and in the end always go back to the music.
i sometimes skip tracks on his albums, but that doesn´t mean i´d want those songs off the album, because i´ve discovered from reading this forum that there are others that love them..
so, no, i don´t think i would want to change anything.

[Dave]

Not the Madonna thing again. He made a remark that was borderline racist, and about something that is none of his business to comment on at all.

If he wants to be mad at Madonna for wearing fur that's great. Don't talk about people's "African child". That's very poor taste at best.

No I don't think he meant it the way it sounded but it was a terrible thing to say. Talking about skinning a child? This is supposed to be stage banter?
I don't know what more she would have to do to prove to anyone that she is committed than to raise a child and make this issue a part of her life. However, as much as anyone might dislike her music or her public persona, she doesn't owe it to anyone to explain or prove why she does anything.

On the other hand, I like Morrissey's political commentary. Who else says that we should nuke China. It's refreshing.

Who else endorses a presidential candidate because they have a nice voice?

I think most of his views are basically there to entertain, through being "outrageous"

[jeniphir]

The Madonna comment was way out of line. I remember thinking at the time, "If only people like all of us didn't record every. word. out of the man's mouth at every gig on the internet within 10 minutes of him saying it, the press would never get ahold of stuff like this and then go ask Madonna's people to comment. . . and bizarre stuff like this would remain in the ether rather than saved for posterity."

Ill-conceived, unnecessarily mean comment (that obfuscates rather than illuminates his point!) brought to the attention of people outside that one particular concert by folks like us. Something to think about.

--jeniphir

[Danny]

Not the Madonna thing again. He made a remark that was borderline racist, and about something that is none of his business to comment on at all.

If he wants to be mad at Madonna for wearing fur that's great. Don't talk about people's "African child". That's very poor taste at best.

No I don't think he meant it the way it sounded but it was a terrible thing to say. Talking about skinning a child? This is supposed to be stage banter?
I don't know what more she would have to do to prove to anyone that she is committed than to raise a child and make this issue a part of her life. However, as much as anyone might dislike her music or her public persona, she doesn't owe it to anyone to explain or prove why she does anything.

On the other hand, I like Morrissey's political commentary. Who else says that we should nuke China. It's refreshing.

Who else endorses a presidential candidate because they have a nice voice?

I think most of his views are basically there to entertain, through being "outrageous"

There was nothing racist about his comment. To try and make something of the colour of the child's skin as if that somehow makes it a racist comment is pretty low. He wasn't saying Madonna SHOULD make the child into a coat.

If you understand where Morrissey is coming from it was a perfectly logical point. Madonna wore a coat made from 100 animals. To Morrissey this is on a par with skinning a child and making it into a coat. He believes both are as morally wrong as each other. He also believes she picks up good causes the way she wears the latest fashion, and adopting a poor boy from an African country is just a symptom of this.

Myself, I don't agree with him on killing animals and children being equivalent, but I understand that with his views it makes logical sense. There is nothing inconsistent or badly thought out about it.

And there is nothing weird about that comment on the Queen either. Most people in Britain would completely agree with him. There are too many royal hangers on having an easy life just because they were born into her family.

[Trouble loves me]

There was nothing racist about his comment. To try and make something of the colour of the child's skin as if that somehow makes it a racist comment is pretty low. He wasn't saying Madonna SHOULD make the child into a coat.

If you understand where Morrissey is coming from it was a perfectly logical point. Madonna wore a coat made from 100 animals. To Morrissey this is on a par with skinning a child and making it into a coat. He believes both are as morally wrong as each other. He also believes she picks up good causes the way she wears the latest fashion, and adopting a poor boy from an African country is just a symptom of this.

Myself, I don't agree with him on killing animals and children being equivalent, but I understand that with his views it makes logical sense. There is nothing inconsistent or badly thought out about it.

And there is nothing weird about that comment on the Queen either. Most people in Britain would completely agree with him. There are too many royal hangers on having an easy life just because they were born into her family.

You interpret Morrissey's comments exactly as I do. It never ceases to amaze me how political correctness has gone so far as to undermine the power to speak without censure. I mean how does pointing out that one of Madonna's children is African, in order to distinguish him from her other two children, who aren't, make this comment in the least bit racist. It reminds me of a story I was told by a friend who, when beginning her social work placement was informed that she couldn't say 'black bin bag', it had to be called a 'refuse sack' as the former name was 'racist'. It goes beyond ludicrous. Indeed, a society which watches it's speech so closely for fear of causing offense is one in which prejudice is palpable; we are human, we are animals, therefore we notice the difference between members of our own species for purposes of social interaction. We notice the difference between, black, white or brown skin, we notice the difference in accents, we notice the difference between able bodied and disabled. It is when we turn these differences into issues, either in making a fuss about them, or pretending that we don't notice them, that we become prejudiced. As Morrissey once said himself: "Why on earth would I be racist, what would I be trying to achieve?"
What Morrissey has consistently pointed out throughout his career is hypocrisy. These celebrities aiming to create 'rainbow' families through some sense of 'duty' to other countries should rankle somewhat with ordinary people. I mean, you have to question their motives; do they really believe this will help the plight of the most desperately poor people on the planet? It's wonderful for the little boy or girl who is chosen (or maybe not when it comes to them establishing an identity later in life, when the biological children of celebrities suffer enough problems, what's going to happen to the adopted ones?) but what about the millions of others who are denied the chance of untold wealth and the glare of the spotlight. You can argue all you want for the kind-hearted celeb who goes gives time as an aid worker, or throws money at the problem, but where is their consitency on the subject? Do they, like Morrissey, put their views across in their work, speak out when they view something as morally wrong, or do they stay silent for the fear that their support might 'smear their lovely career'?
Morrissey's objection to Madonna's adoption is not just mixed up with her disregard for animal rights, but her treatment of her child as an accessory. She probably doesn't do it intentionally, but she craves the spotlight, and this business put her firmly back in it. Also, she's made sure that her adopted child will never be free of it, and never be free of her legacy, or her career. What child wants to be haunted by their parents for the rest of their life, and watched for signs of rebellion, or damage, or the dreaded 'following in their footsteps'?

As for the royal family, there are whole essays on that subject, but Morrissey has been anti royal since before he joined The Smiths, why should any anti royal comments come as a surprise now? He did once mention that "the Queen was very nice" in response to his complaint about the legal system, but that's just one more example of the contradictory man we know and (supposedly) love. He can hate the icon and what they stand for, but be kind about the person underneath.

[lottie]

yeah...
i was walking on 56th (or 65th? Whichever goes through Central Park!) and at a red light, I saw Morrissey in the back of a limousine just a few feet away from me. I stopped and stared in disbelief. It was crazy.

WHAT? and you did not jump about like a madwoman to get his attention?
:( silly silly thing. :rolleyes:

[Dave]

There was nothing racist about his comment. To try and make something of the colour of the child's skin as if that somehow makes it a racist comment is pretty low. He wasn't saying Madonna SHOULD make the child into a coat.

If you understand where Morrissey is coming from it was a perfectly logical point. Madonna wore a coat made from 100 animals. To Morrissey this is on a par with skinning a child and making it into a coat. He believes both are as morally wrong as each other. He also believes she picks up good causes the way she wears the latest fashion, and adopting a poor boy from an African country is just a symptom of this.

Myself, I don't agree with him on killing animals and children being equivalent, but I understand that with his views it makes logical sense. There is nothing inconsistent or badly thought out about it.

And there is nothing weird about that comment on the Queen either. Most people in Britain would completely agree with him. There are too many royal hangers on having an easy life just because they were born into her family.

I said that I did not think it was racist, but that it sounded that way. Why is the African child mentioned? If children are equivalent to animals in his logic, then the African child must be equivalent to Madonna's other two children?

Here's the thing. With the history of African people being brought to America as slaves, any comment that distinguishes the African child from her American or British (Venezuelan?) children sounds like racism. Although I don't believe Africans were skinned they were treated as property. It's Nazis and serial killers that skin people to make them into lampshades and things, another pleasant association he touched upon.

No, I don't think he is a Nazi or a serial killer either. (He was always quiet though, and kept to himself...)

The point? Don't talk about people's children. It's not smart or logical. It's none of his business and the fact that he has hated Madonna since the 80's and would talk about her children as if he can see why she would adopt one doesn't make me applaud him. We talked about this before. Madonna had just headlined that worldwide concert, name forgotten now, and was in the media more than usual. Morrissey had just met with PETA, who I support, but who do have a groupie fixation with celebrities.

Madonna wears fur. Madonna was in the news. How can PETA capitalize on that? That's what I think happened. I don't think it was some stupid spontaneous thing he said. I think it was a planned stupid thing to say.

Hate Madonna. Don't talk about her kids.

[Scarlet Ibis]

I would make him happier, able to love and be loved... I'd change him so he could fully enjoy his life.

If that means not having his music anymore... whatever. I love him enough that I wish him joy.

How Pollyanna is that for ya?

[Raquel]

I would make him happier, able to love and be loved... I'd change him so he could fully enjoy his life.

If that means not having his music anymore... whatever. I love him enough that I wish him joy.

How Pollyanna is that for ya?
Hear, hear!
I wrote something similar on an earlier page in this thread, and while it may sound very goody, goody, I truly wish him a rich full life in all ways possible.

[imogen11]

I would make him happier, able to love and be loved... I'd change him so he could fully enjoy his life.

If that means not having his music anymore... whatever. I love him enough that I wish him joy.

How Pollyanna is that for ya?

Hello Scarlet, nice to see you here! :)

[Scarlet Ibis]

Hello Scarlet, nice to see you here! :)

Hello. Nice to be seen. :D

*hug*

[Danny]

I said that I did not think it was racist, but that it sounded that way. Why is the African child mentioned? If children are equivalent to animals in his logic, then the African child must be equivalent to Madonna's other two children?

Here's the thing. With the history of African people being brought to America as slaves, any comment that distinguishes the African child from her American or British (Venezuelan?) children sounds like racism. Although I don't believe Africans were skinned they were treated as property. It's Nazis and serial killers that skin people to make them into lampshades and things, another pleasant association he touched upon.

No, I don't think he is a Nazi or a serial killer either. (He was always quiet though, and kept to himself...)

The point? Don't talk about people's children. It's not smart or logical. It's none of his business and the fact that he has hated Madonna since the 80's and would talk about her children as if he can see why she would adopt one doesn't make me applaud him. We talked about this before. Madonna had just headlined that worldwide concert, name forgotten now, and was in the media more than usual. Morrissey had just met with PETA, who I support, but who do have a groupie fixation with celebrities.

Madonna wears fur. Madonna was in the news. How can PETA capitalize on that? That's what I think happened. I don't think it was some stupid spontaneous thing he said. I think it was a planned stupid thing to say.

Hate Madonna. Don't talk about her kids.

You've obviously missed the point he was trying to make. The African child was mentioned because he was making a point about her picking the child as an accessory, rather treating him like a real human being. In the same way as she treats all the other causes she picks up. The point would not have been made if he'd talked about one of her real children.

[jeniphir]

You've obviously missed the point he was trying to make. The African child was mentioned because he was making a point about her picking the child as an accessory, rather treating him like a real human being. In the same way as she treats all the other causes she picks up. The point would not have been made if he'd talked about one of her real children.

Actually, I thought the point he was trying to make was not to do with the children, really, but to do with her wearing fur. That she is so heartless she would skin a living being to make a coat (be it child or animal, which Morrissey thinks to be equivalent).

At any rate, it was not a good way to make a point about Madonna wearing fur, or adopting children, or any other thing. I find it distasteful, but I would forgive it somewhat if it was even a valid way to make an argument. But I don't think it was.

--jeniphir

[dicartwright]

I forgot. I tend to forgive Moz everything, but... this "romance of crime" thing... Those of us who've lost someone to a crime don't feel too romantic about it.

[Danny]

Actually, I thought the point he was trying to make was not to do with the children, really, but to do with her wearing fur. That she is so heartless she would skin a living being to make a coat (be it child or animal, which Morrissey thinks to be equivalent).

At any rate, it was not a good way to make a point about Madonna wearing fur, or adopting children, or any other thing. I find it distasteful, but I would forgive it somewhat if it was even a valid way to make an argument. But I don't think it was.

--jeniphir

He was making a point about both, because her adopting poor kids from African and making expensive coats out of animals come from the same attitude. That animals and humans are there to be used for Madonna's image.

[Danny]

I forgot. I tend to forgive Moz everything, but... this "romance of crime" thing... Those of us who've lost someone to a crime don't feel too romantic about it.

Well you're in a minority because "the romance of crime" pervades our whole culture. For example, most of the popular films and tv are all about romanticising crime. A lot of people buy into it. At least Morrissey is critical of it while acknowledging it's attraction.

[dicartwright]

At least Morrissey is critical of it while acknowledging it's attraction.

Either you're right about that, or I'm willing to forgive him yet again. Anyway, this doesn't stand in the way when it comes to admiring him and loving him

[Scarlet Ibis]

I forgot. I tend to forgive Moz everything, but... this "romance of crime" thing... Those of us who've lost someone to a crime don't feel too romantic about it.

He's lost someone to crime as well.
I don't think he means it the way you think he means it.

[HIM]

a decent fucking haircut would help.

and better songs, too.

[Kewpie]

a decent fucking haircut would help.

and better songs, too.


Which a decent barber or hairdresser do you recommend him? :p

[the more you explore me!]

Which a decent barber or hairdresser do you recommend him? :p

Nicky Clarke.

[Kewpie]

Nicky Clarke.


LOL!
I can't imagine Morrissey is at Nicky Clarke salon. :p

[the more you explore me!]

LOL!
I can't imagine Morrissey is at Nicky Clarke salon. :p

Toni & Guy then?


I think i'm going to a place called Hairraisers on the weekend to my old barnet done!

[Sherry Gahan]

I am not sure what I would change, this is a hard topic. He just has this charisma about him that attracts us all to him. He does a fabulous live show and is great to hear him talk in between songs. I always look forward to what he will say next.:p

[Young And Alive]

I wish he didn't condone violence against scientists.

Being vegetarian is fine but condoning violence against humans is out of order.

[moz'art girl]

Well, I don't especially like it when he pulls faces on stage; sometimes he struts a little, or makes moves which are over the top. :o(Don't kill me, thanks). I have just watched an old video, he was not like that at all.
I wish he would show more simplicity again.:rolleyes:

[Im Still Ill]

a decent fucking haircut would help.

and better songs, too.

I truelly feel sorry for 'hatfull'

Apparently she's married to this monstrosity!

Poor cow!

[Not Right in the Head]

I truelly feel sorry for 'hatfull'

Apparently she's married to this monstrosity!

I'd feel sorrier for her if she were married to somebody with a broken sarcasm-meter.

[Im Still Ill]

I'd feel sorrier for her if she were married to somebody with a broken sarcasm-meter.

Even if 'he' hadn't made that post, my feelings would be the same so...

[mozzia]

I wish he didn't condone violence against scientists.

Being vegetarian is fine but condoning violence against humans is out of order.

Totally agree.
This is the side of him I don't particularly like.
I'm vegetarian, but I don't share such strong views as him on the subject.
And though the way animals are treated, by the meat industry, and for 'research' can be sometimes absolutely despicable, some peoples reactions go too far. A violent reaction may get you noticed, but it isn't going to win a lot of peoples respect for your views.

On a more positive note, I would like him to be truly happy. And find someone to spend his life with (if this is what he wants off course). Cheesy, i know, but.....

[CrystalGeezer]

I love cheese.

[speedfreaks ball]

i would make him work with dave grohl for his next album

[dicartwright]

He's lost someone to crime as well.
I don't think he means it the way you think he means it.

Yes, that's right. But I'm more based in interviews than in songs, and he's said it more than once... I don't know, and the whole boxing thing, I never understood it. Brain damage, people, how can boxing fans forget that?

[pagnani32]

Totally agree.
This is the side of him I don't particularly like.
I'm vegetarian, but I don't share such strong views as him on the subject.
And though the way animals are treated, by the meat industry, and for 'research' can be sometimes absolutely despicable, some peoples reactions go too far. A violent reaction may get you noticed, but it isn't going to win a lot of peoples respect for your views.

On a more positive note, I would like him to be truly happy. And find someone to spend his life with (if this is what he wants off course). Cheesy, i know, but.....

Same here, I am vegetarian and I don't think animals are treated well at all in the meat industry and I hate that they are used for "research", I think it is a truly depressing topic. BUT I don't by any means think that if everyone on this earth was a vegetarian that there would be no violence and no war, that is absurd! Oh and that thing about the scientist is ridiculous as well, Morrissey is kind of a violent person isn't he?

[pagnani32]

He's lost someone to crime as well.
I don't think he means it the way you think he means it.

Who has he lost to crime?

[HIM]

I truelly feel sorry for 'hatfull'

Apparently she's married to this monstrosity!

Poor cow!

ssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh etc.

it is true, though, that my good lady wife often finds me quite intolerable. she, on the other hand, is quite, quite lovely (and tolerant).

[Kewpie]

Who has he lost to crime?

At 21st May 2006 London Palladium gig Morrissey dedicated Life is a Pigsty to one of his cousins who was murdered in Manchester.
I was at the gig, but the incident wasn't found in public domain.

[Not Right in the Head]

At 21st May 2006 London Palladium gig Morrissey dedicated Life is a Pigsty to one of his cousins who was murdered in Manchester.
I was at the gig, but the incident wasn't found in public domain.

I hadn't heard of this incident or the dedication. You mean that the murder wasn't in the news?

drifter has the boot (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LY4QG8EP) of this show on his site (http://mozzbozz.vox.com), if anyone wants to hear the dedication.

[Kewpie]

As far as I know no one found the newspaper report about the incident.

I was at the gig and really shocked to hear what Morrissey said to us.
I'm sure others who attended the gig can confirm about it.

I also remember the victim's girlfriend briefly visited the forum last year (either in September of October, I remember the user name, but rather not disclose it), posted a thread to thank Morrissey for his support.

[Not Right in the Head]

I was at the gig and really shocked to hear what Morrissey said to us.
I'm sure others who attended the gig can confirm about it.

So can Passions (http://www.passionsjustlikemine.com/gigs/moz-g060521.htm):

The most intense moment of the evening came when Morrissey dedicated "Life Is A Pigsty" to his late cousin: "Last year in Manchester my cousin was murdered and I'd like to sing this song for him". The announcement muted the audience who, bar a few individuals, listened to the song with religious respect. Now that it was moved down to the position of set closer, its ending was extended with a noisy jam backed by a very moving piano line. The ending or the dedication seemed to have touched the audience because it took a few seconds for them to come out of their daze and start cheering after the song was done. Morrissey returned to the stage after a short break to perform the encore while the crowd was singing Happy Birthday to him.


I also remember the victim's girlfriend briefly visited the forum last year (either in September of October, I know the user name, but rather not disclose it), posted a thread to thank Morrissey for his support.

If it was posted publicly, why would you rather not disclose it?

[Kewpie]

Victim's girlfriend no longer comes here, I find it's unnecessary to give you the detail.
You are free to search archives.

[Not Right in the Head]

Victim's girlfriend no longer comes here, I find it's unnecessary to give you the detail.
You are free to search archives.

:rolleyes: Or enlist the help of others to do so (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=59396&). Props to my anonymous archive digger.

[Im Still Ill]

ssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh etc.

it is true, though, that my good lady wife often finds me quite intolerable. she, on the other hand, is quite, quite lovely (and tolerant).

Do her a favour and get a divorce!

I wouldn't wish you upon my worst enemy.

Not even Worm. (And that's saying something)

[HIM]

Do her a favour and get a divorce!

I wouldn't wish you upon my worst enemy.

Not even Worm. (And that's saying something)

is worm your worst enemy? if so, why? he's always struck me as being pretty great.

[Im Still Ill]

is worm your worst enemy? if so, why? he's always struck me as being pretty great.

You're both as lame as each other, i despise you both from the bottom of my heart!

If you can, try not to burden any more people with your presence!

[HIM]

You're both as lame as each other

do you dislike people experiencing disablement? that seems a little unreasonable.


i despise you both from the bottom of my heart!

i can see you're a man of strong emotions.

[Im Still Ill]

do you dislike people experiencing disablement? that seems a little unreasonable.

Do explain yourself. May i warn you you are treading on sensitive ground.

[HIM]

Do explain yourself. May i warn you you are treading on sensitive ground.

am i really? do explain yourself.

you said that you wouldn't wish me on your worst enemy and, when i asked you why, you said that you despised me and that i was "lame". that seemed to be your explanation.

[Im Still Ill]

am i really? do explain yourself.

you said that you wouldn't wish me on your worst enemy and, when i asked you why, you said that you despised me and that i was "lame". that seemed to be your explanation.

In the past you have ridiculed me on a number of occasions!

I'm getting the impression you may be disabled? Maybe that is the cause of your bitterness?

I know my disfigurement is the cause of mine!

[HIM]

I'm getting the impression you may be disabled? Maybe that is the cause of your bitterness?

I know my disfigurement is the cause of mine!

your "disfigurement" shouldn't be a cause of bitterness.

[Im Still Ill]

your "disfigurement" shouldn't be a cause of bitterness.

I see you didn't deny the fact you have ridiculed me many times in the past.

Oh and thanks for letting me know i shouldn't let my disfigurement be the cause of my bitterness but i don't think that has anything to do with you!

[HIM]

I see you didn't deny the fact you have ridiculed me many times in the past.

i think i took the piss out of you, perhaps, twice because you seemed to be quite rude and because you talked about your poetry stemming from your oh-so-terrible depression, so i think it was fair enough to take the piss.

and when you say things like...


I know i can be bitter and horrible at times but to be honest i'm past the stage of worrying about others' feelings!

...you can't reasonably complain, can you?

[Dave]

Well in my opinion the last thing he said about Madonna was very well put and not at all "lashing out". He made a very valid point about her chasing "causes" when it is quite obvious she is not really interested in them. In no way was it catty or petty. Catty is saying something nasty about someone for no reason. Morrissey's comment was right on the button and nailed what a lot of people feel about these celebrities that champion the most fashionable cause of the day.

I don't think this is obvious. She's been talking about the same causes from the start. Whether you believe Live Aid did any good or whether you believe it was real or promotion, she was there. She was singing to raise money for environmental causes in the 90's and she still is.

Here's the thing. Whatever his reasons, speaking negatively about a child is wrong.
Assuming someone's reasons for adopting a child is wrong, no matter who that person is.

At best he was being thoughtless and in trying to make a point about fur he made a blunder.

Not liking Madonna's music is fine. I find some of it to be very irritating and I did not like her early records or her image. However, of all people, he should understand the difference between discussing a person's music and discussing their private life.

[Dave]

I would have him adopt a child from Africa.:p and then collaborate on a disco song with Madonna that samples an old Smiths song. Sort of like Hung Up uses that Abba song.

[Scarlet Ibis]

Yes, that's right. But I'm more based in interviews than in songs, and he's said it more than once... I don't know, and the whole boxing thing, I never understood it. Brain damage, people, how can boxing fans forget that?
We agree... but Morrissey is the proud owner of two testicles, or so he claims, and somehow those things tend to make men crave a bit of violence in their view. If we're lucky, they use sport to fulfill this need.

Also?

Boxers are sweaty, half naked men. This appeals to our hero.

But, yes... I tend to agree with you on this one.

[Scarlet Ibis]

Who has he lost to crime?

His cousin was murdered.

[Buzzetta]

I see you didn't deny the fact you have ridiculed me many times in the past.

Oh and thanks for letting me know i shouldn't let my disfigurement be the cause of my bitterness but i don't think that has anything to do with you!

http://www.javierzanetti.net/Handoyo/Pictures/070319%20Special%20Olympics.jpg

[HIM]

http://www.javierzanetti.net/Handoyo/Pictures/070319%20Special%20Olympics.jpg

that's really quite offensive, sir.

[Pokey]

Make him come to Australia more often.

Or give up vegetarianism, seriously, it's what's missing in his life!

[Amy]

that's really quite offensive, sir.

Understatement. It's disgustingly offensive and if Buzzetta finds it funny then he needs his head checked out.

[Amy]

You're both as lame as each other, i despise you both from the bottom of my heart!

If you can, try not to burden any more people with your presence!

Meooww!

HIM is often sarcastic, I don't see what particular offence is caused as long as you see the humour in it?

And Worm.. :p what has Worm done?

[mozzia]

that's really quite offensive, sir.


Understatement. It's disgustingly offensive and if Buzzetta finds it funny then he needs his head checked out.

Agreed. Does 'humour' get much lower?

People with special needs may have simpler minds, or be 'retarded', but, they are often beautiful, kind people, and can not help their afflictions, and should not be made the butt of jokes like that.

[Im Still Ill]

Agreed. Does 'humour' get much lower?

People with special needs may have simpler minds, or be 'retarded', but, they are often beautiful, kind people, and can not help their afflictions, and should not be made the butt of jokes like that.

10 out of 10 for backpeddling! Oh and with regards to the picture, welcome to 2004!

Amy, i believe i have warned you to stay clear of me. I therefore cannot hold any responsibility for any affects my posts may have on you!:p

HIM, Not caring about how others may feel, i'm afraid, is a side affect of manic depression. I'm also glad you got a laugh out of me when i shared my deepest, intimate thoughts.

[HIM]

HIM, Not caring about how others may feel, i'm afraid, is a side affect of manic depression.

so you're using the fact that you're bi polar as an excuse for being unnecessarily rude to people? you might find yourself less ridiculed if you prefaced your unnecessary rudeness with the caveat that you really can't help it, owing to manic depression, instead of saying you simply don't care about how others feel; that just makes you seem like a twat.


I'm also glad you got a laugh out of me when i shared my deepest, intimate thoughts.

it was your presentation of yourself as a Tortured Artist (in your thread about poetry) that i made fun of, rather than your "deepest, intimate thoughts".

[Im Still Ill]

I don't know about you HIM but i'm growing rather tired of our exchanges, I'm assuming from what you've told me, you have your own problems and i have mine.

Shall we make this the end of it?

[HIM]

Shall we make this the end of it?

...as you wish, sir.

[Amy]

Oh and with regards to the picture, welcome to 2004!

Amy, i believe i have warned you to stay clear of me. I therefore cannot hold any responsibility for any affects my posts may have on you!:p

HIM, Not caring about how others may feel, i'm afraid, is a side affect of manic depression. I'm also glad you got a laugh out of me when i shared my deepest, intimate thoughts.

That picture should not be funny in any year, be it 2004 or 1954, and if the 21st century is embracing the humour in things like that then I am ashamed of it.

Also - 'warned' me? This is a public forum, I only speak when I think I have something to say or a point to make, it just so happens that this particular one was directed at you.

[Im Still Ill]

That picture should not be funny in any year, be it 2004 or 1954, and if the 21st century is embracing the humour in things like that then I am ashamed of it.

Also - 'warned' me? This is a public forum, I only speak when I think I have something to say or a point to make, it just so happens that this particular one was directed at you.

I've never found that picture funny, all i was saying was that it was circulating in 2004.

Please take note of the "Stick Out Tongue" Smilie after my comment to you.

"Warned" may be too strong a word but what (when i first advised you to avoid me,) i meant was some of my posts may bring you down and i'd hate to do that to you.

[Buzzetta]

I stand by the picture in the vein it is intended to be in. That the warnings of "steer clear of me" and "what I am capable of" type veiled threats amount to nothing more than the common usage of the word retarded in the modern day context that it is used in. I mean really...

[HIM]

I stand by the picture in the vein it is intended to be in.

as a slur?


[...] I mean really...

yeah, sorry... how retarded is that?!

[Im Still Ill]

I stand by the picture in the vein it is intended to be in. That the warnings of "steer clear of me" and "what I am capable of" type veiled threats amount to nothing more than the common usage of the word retarded in the modern day context that it is used in. I mean really...

Dude, stop digging. You posted the pic before any of those comments were made.

Just accept that your joke was in bad taste and it backfired.

[the more you explore me!]

Dude, stop digging. You posted the pic before any of those comments were made.

Just accept that your joke was in bad taste and it backfired.

your right it didn't work. I don't think the buzz chap is going to back down and accept it was poor judgment on his part.


if you could change ONE thing about morrissey.


He could stop trying to be a popstar in the old fashion sense and concentrate on being a singer and song writer.

[Buzzetta]

Dude, stop digging. You posted the pic before any of those comments were made.

Just accept that your joke was in bad taste and it backfired.

No - read through the post... read your comments... could not help but think... this is retarded.

Lets quote before you edit.

Post 168

Do her a favour and get a divorce!

I wouldn't wish you upon my worst enemy.

Not even Worm. (And that's saying something)

Post 170

You're both as lame as each other, i despise you both from the bottom of my heart!

If you can, try not to burden any more people with your presence!

Post 172

Do explain yourself. May i warn you you are treading on sensitive ground.

Post 174

In the past you have ridiculed me on a number of occasions!

I'm getting the impression you may be disabled? Maybe that is the cause of your bitterness?

I know my disfigurement is the cause of mine!

Post 176

I see you didn't deny the fact you have ridiculed me many times in the past.

Oh and thanks for letting me know i shouldn't let my disfigurement be the cause of my bitterness but i don't think that has anything to do with you!

Post 177

i think i took the piss out of you, perhaps, twice because you seemed to be quite rude and because you talked about your poetry stemming from your oh-so-terrible depression, so i think it was fair enough to take the piss.

and when you say things like...

...you can't reasonably complain, can you?


Non stop foolish bickering.


your right it didn't work. I don't think the buzz chap is going to back down and accept it was poor judgment on his part.


No.. it was not what they are making it out to be. I would absolutely say it and write it again. You act a fool you are being retarded. Perhaps they do not understand the meaning behind it. HIM said something along the lines that he was going to "take the piss out" of the other guy. Closest thing I know of that is when someone says "beat the ****" out of someone. Do I think he meant specifically that? No.


I stand by and would post the exact same thing again after reading their exchange.

[the more you explore me!]

No.. it was not what they are making it out to be. I would absolutely say it and write it again. You act a fool you are being retarded. Perhaps they do not understand the meaning behind it. HIM said something along the lines that he was going to "take the piss out" of the other guy. Closest thing I know of that is when someone says "beat the ****" out of someone. Do I think he meant specifically that? No.


I stand by and would post the exact same thing again after reading their exchange.

Its the image that is making people angry. As it diverts from your original idea of your message. People will focus on the the chap in the picture, and see it as belittling to someone with special needs.

Your a clever chap, i don't think you needed it to express your views on the exchange between the poster here.

[HIM]

[...] could not help but think... this is retarded.


it was not what they are making it out to be.

it was clearly meant as a put-down which, in your view, works because likening somebody to people who have "learning difficulties" (that's "retarded", to you) devalues them and what they say; it renders them worthy of mockery. "retards" are, after all, figures of fun, aren't they?


I would absolutely say it and write it again. You act a fool you are being retarded.

good for you; you are a credit to your profession.


HIM said something along the lines that he was going to "take the piss out" of the other guy. Closest thing I know of that is when someone says "beat the ****" out of someone.

to "take the piss out of" someone means to make fun of them.


I stand by and would post the exact same thing again [...]

i'd offer to lend you a shovel, but i don't think you'll need it.

[left out]

I knew a young American who for lack of wider vocabulary addressed everything she didn't like and anything she disagreed with as "retarded". It really annoyed me, cause here in UK its used to make fun of people with learning difficulties, to belittle them. Therefore distasteful at the least. Is the word considered less insulting in the US? Maybe. But the picture used was nasty. Offensive IMO.

[Buzzetta]

it was clearly meant as a put-down which, in your view, works because likening somebody to people who have "learning difficulties" (that's "retarded", to you) devalues them and what they say; it renders them worthy of mockery. "retards" are, after all, figures of fun, aren't they?



good for you; you are a credit to your profession.

to "take the piss out of" someone means to make fun of them.

i'd offer to lend you a shovel, but i don't think you'll need it.

You are right - I don't need one as I stand by my comment.
You two, as in both of you, were being retarded.

And if you were to use the word "piss" over here in the context you did I would say the same about you as far as being a credit to your career choice. I am not backing down from my stance.

Please take note of the liner note under the picture as it clearly referred to both of you.

Now what is ironic is that as this argument continues... I have now become part of the foolishness I criticized.

[HIM]

You are right - I don't need one as I stand by my comment.
You two, as in both of you, were being retarded.

...but you accept the substance of what i posted, above, though?


And if you were to use the word "piss" over here in the context you did I would say the same about you as far as being a credit to your career choice.

that makes no sense.


I am not backing down from my stance.

okay, you're just repeating yourself, now.


Please take note of the liner note under the picture as it clearly referred to both of you.

well-reasoned argument.

[Im Still Ill]

I stand by and would post the exact same thing again after reading their exchange.

It saddens me that even after the reaction you got, you would ever consider posting that picture again.

[hatfull]

I truelly feel sorry for 'hatfull'

Apparently she's married to this monstrosity!

Poor cow!
it's a cross I hve to bear :p my husband's great, even if he did forget my birthday!

[HIM]

[...] even if he did forget my birthday!

well, i learnt from your example!

[WOX von Wubbins]

I'd change his liberalism to conservatism... let the hate messages fly!

[Im Still Ill]

it's a cross I hve to bear :p my husband's great, even if he did forget my birthday!

Ahh, on reflection he doesn't seem so bad.

As for forgetting birthdays, come on guys, sort it out. :p

[dicartwright]

We agree... but Morrissey is the proud owner of two testicles, or so he claims, and somehow those things tend to make men crave a bit of violence in their view. If we're lucky, they use sport to fulfill this need.

Also?

Boxers are sweaty, half naked men. This appeals to our hero.

But, yes... I tend to agree with you on this one.

LOL =D

I see your point (s)

[Cassius]

I knew a young American who for lack of wider vocabulary addressed everything she didn't like and anything she disagreed with as "retarded".

Sometimes people use "gay" instead of "retarded". Pretty stupid if you ask me.

The picture might not be in good taste, but Buzzy wasn't trying to be hateful or malicious.

[Alcoholic Afternoons]

No - read through the post... read your comments... could not help but think... this is retarded.

If you could not help but think that, I think you need to revise your thinking process such that you don't equate the disabled/those with special needs with those deserving of scorn.


I stand by and would post the exact same thing again after reading their exchange.

That's unfortunate. I hope something changes your way of thinking before another special needs kid ends up in one of your classes.


it was clearly meant as a put-down which, in your view, works because likening somebody to people who have "learning difficulties" (that's "retarded", to you) devalues them and what they say; it renders them worthy of mockery. "retards" are, after all, figures of fun, aren't they?

Well said.


The picture might not be in good taste, but Buzzy wasn't trying to be hateful or malicious.

If you're correct, it's only lack of intent. He was being hateful, and his post was highly offensive. He just may be ignorant of that fact.

[Not Right in the Head]

The fact that all of you are still arguing about Buzzetta's pic just proves its point!

For the record, I've used that pic here, too, and nobody complained. I was told that it was in poor taste, but that was to be expected.

[Alcoholic Afternoons]

The fact that all of you are still arguing about Buzzetta's pic just proves its point!

For the record, I've used that pic here, too, and nobody complained. I was told that it was in poor taste, but that was to be expected.

It was to be expected because it was in poor taste, and was offensive. That doesn't make it better, and it doesn't prove his point, whatever that may be.

[Not Right in the Head]

It was to be expected because it was in poor taste, and was offensive. That doesn't make it better, and it doesn't prove his point, whatever that may be.

Surely you have to see the irony in your own statement.

[Alcoholic Afternoons]

Surely you have to see the irony in your own statement.

No, I don't.

(I almost said "and stop calling me surely," but that joke doesn't really work on paper or the internet, does it?)

[Not Right in the Head]

(I almost said "and stop calling me surely," but that joke doesn't really work on paper or the internet, does it?)

I was going to add a footnote apologizing for it in advance. :D

Soooooo, if you could change ONE thing about morrissey......

[thewarroom]

i would make him straight , what would you do?

I don't know if i'd make him straight, i'd have him tell us exactly what his orientation is. It would eliminate all of those Goddamned "Is he gay?" threads on here.:rolleyes:

[hatfull]

Ahh, on reflection he doesn't seem so bad.

As for forgetting birthdays, come on guys, sort it out. :p
I didn't forget his. he didn't get me a card or anything :(

[hatfull]

well, i learnt from your example!
i did not. I got you a card and everything!

[Musings]

You're both as lame as each other, i despise you both from the bottom of my heart!


do you dislike people experiencing disablement? that seems a little unreasonable.




ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, I'm sorry, but... bwahahhaaaa

That was one of the best comebacks I've heard of in a long, long time. veddy quick.
Good one, HIM! Yuh devil.


Now, what would I change about Moz? He'd be able to hold his liquor a little bit better. can't stand a sloppy drunk. well, unless it's moz. so, nevermind, then. :D

[Im Still Ill]

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, I'm sorry, but... bwahahhaaaa

That was one of the best comebacks I've heard of in a long, long time. veddy quick.

May i suggest you get out a bit more.

[Musings]

May i suggest you get out a bit more.

you may, thanks for asking.

look, im still ill, as the italian-americans in my family might say, i got no beef wit choo, see...
...but it was pretty funny. :D

[Im Still Ill]

you may, thanks for asking.

look, im still ill, as the italian-americans in my family might say, i got no beef wit choo, see...
...but it was pretty funny. :D

First off, I didn't ask you s**t.

Secondly, i now got beef wit choo for disrespecting me motherf*****

[Musings]

First off, I didn't ask you s**t.
well, you said 'may i' and everything...


Secondly, i now got beef wit choo for disrespecting me motherf*****
don't have no beef! is disrespecting an actual verb? ******

[Chad]

i would make him straight , what would you do?

DON'T YOU DARE!:(:(:(

[Essex's Shelagh Delaney]

I'm with her on this one. If I could change one thing it would be making him realise that he wants to take me to bed. Not unreasonable; I'm an attractive lady. If only he liked ladies.....

[Modcon]

If I could change one thing about Morrissey I would make him want to play Well I Wonder this upcoming tour.

[Kewpie]

Bump!

Some new members would like to say something?

[mcrickson]

I'd like moz to hire me as his new guitarist/bassist/keyboardist/cowriter. Not saying i have anything against the current band, i'd just love to work with them and have my name next to moz's in a songwriting credit.
:)
This is my dream of a lifetime.

[bysshe]

I wouldn't change a thing. If he's happy with who he is, who am I to tell him he's wrong?

[miryam_moz85]

stay as you are...enough said;)

[Jeff196]

Stop with the D&G shirts. I wear them for gods sake. And I am a boring marketing exec...you are a rock and roll legend....go custom made

[kill_uncle]

Stop with the D&G shirts. I wear them for gods sake. And I am a boring marketing exec...you are a rock and roll legend....go custom made

and because D&G,Gucci and Prada support the seal hunt by buying the fur from the slaughter.

[LamiaBroccoli]

I would change his shoes. He has a terrible sense of footwear I think.

[CrystalGeezer]

I would change his shoes. He has a terrible sense of footwear I think.

Why??

[Vaudeville_Heroes]

I wouldn't change much about him I suppose, because a lot of his faults are what make him as interesting as he is. They're nothing too major, anyways, none that I can think of at least. That's probably a cliche answer but ooooh well. However, I'm not one of those people that think Moz is untouchable and can do no wrong, but ya know what I mean.

[mauve21]

If I could change anything about him, or more to the point,
if I had the power or opportunity to, I would only change
his sadness.....:)

[Unwitting Observer]

his ZIP code

[Irryco]

I don't like Kill Uncle at all and perhaps I will get many against me now, by saying this, but I think Morrissey would be better off without that album ever been made. xD

[Poppy Full]

I would make him my BF forever.


I had to write 'BF' because I can't decide between best friend or boyfriend :p

[LamiaBroccoli]

Why??

That was my opinion. Whatever...

[CrystalGeezer]

That was my opinion. Whatever...

To which everyone is entitled.

(His shoes are fine. They're his shoes to wear his own way.)

[MadameChaos]

I'm torn between getting him to write more books and getting him to move back to London so I had more chance of bumping into him out and about.

Neither would ever happen though so it's a moot point really.

[morrisseychic]

Playing longer in concert. Like maybe 2 hours or longer.:D

[DianaDors]

I can't choose between these 3:

Write more prose (the response to the NME article was priceless);

Play fewer dates (so less chance of exhaustion>illness>cancellation>disappointment);

Reserve his political comments for concerts rather than interviews (although we here know what he means, he does have a wilful, almost Tourette's-like ability to shoot himself the foot in interviews);

:)

[redpathetic]

I would have him let me direct him for three months ( at least ) off in someplace no one can find unless we both want them to. Of course he could bail out at anytime, but ideally he wouldn't for those months. I'd have him eat raw vegan fare for a while, then have him fast, for about a month, just on water, and there would be tending to some fruit trees, learning to garden and maybe we could both learn about making yarn and fabric, and solar power generators...I would reserve the right to bail too but would rather the ideal dream vacation.

[marisela]

I would have him let me direct him for three months ( at least ) off in someplace no one can find unless we both want them to. Of course he could bail out at anytime, but ideally he wouldn't for those months. I'd have him eat raw vegan fare for a while, then have him fast, for about a month, just on water, and there would be tending to some fruit trees, learning to garden and maybe we could both learn about making yarn and fabric, and solar power generators...I would reserve the right to bail too but would rather the ideal dream vacation.

Wow Could I go Too!!
Sounds Fabulous..and so hmm romantic...lol
Hi Red!
I just had to let you know I red this:) I hope you had a great weekend..
Hugs!
Tu Amiga
Marisela:guitar:

[redpathetic]

Hehehe. You would have to agree to let me direct you too. My way or the highway heheh.

Oh you're playing guitar for me hehe:D
Ooh you're seductive>:|
>;}

[CrystalGeezer]

I'm just trying to imagine Morrissey working the fields in unironed clothing and I can't picture it.

[CaliforniaMozGirl]

I'd change his address to my house...

[redpathetic]

I'm just trying to imagine Morrissey working the fields in unironed clothing and I can't picture it.

" There's a wildman, in my head. There's a wildman in my head, and I'm, not sorry for..." ...the things I wore?