Making Banning Public

[mspendl828]

With the slight outrage being caused by the banning of Viva Hate for whatever reason, do none of the mods think that makes the modding process for things like bannings should be made more transparant? Would it really be terrible if here in the Site Feedback folder that when someone is either given an Infraction or Banned (at the very least when they're banned) the mod who did it should post the news and say why?

I was not a fan of VH at all, but there was nothing that they posted that I have seen that was any worse than what has been posted by others who have not been banned.

As it stands nothing is stopping someone doing whatever VH did to get banned and getting banned themselves whereby if it was at least made public what they were banned for (other than a simple link to the bloody TOS) it could serve as a proper warning to others.

Plus this would actually make the modding of the forums easier as people would know exactly what would get them banned, rather than just being pointed towards the TOS.



Just a thought for you to mull over.

[Kuiper]

That is a very good idea, Spendy.

[slum mum 1974]

I would like this to happen also...

[Morrissey the 23rd]

After 1,419 posts. One that finally makes sense. Hehe

[mspendl828]

After 1,419 posts. One that finally makes sense. Hehe

Haha, well the law of averages said that I had to come good eventually :D

[Grim O'Grady]

With the slight outrage being caused by the banning of Viva Hate for whatever reason, do none of the mods think that makes the modding process for things like bannings should be made more transparant? Would it really be terrible if here in the Site Feedback folder that when someone is either given an Infraction or Banned (at the very least when they're banned) the mod who did it should post the news and say why?

I was not a fan of VH at all, but there was nothing that they posted that I have seen that was any worse than what has been posted by others who have not been banned.

As it stands nothing is stopping someone doing whatever VH did to get banned and getting banned themselves whereby if it was at least made public what they were banned for (other than a simple link to the bloody TOS) it could serve as a proper warning to others.

Plus this would actually make the modding of the forums easier as people would know exactly what would get them banned, rather than just being pointed towards the TOS.



Just a thought for you to mull over.

my words entirely - here here!

love

Grim

[Dave]

Give everyone the power to ban as long as they have two approving witnesses. Make it where you say "I ban thee I ban thee I ban thee" and then two people say "I supporteth thou argument" or something like that and the person is banned for ever.

[mike joyce]

i was warned and banned for a few days but i still have faith in the mods, vivahate made some comments to me like go and listen to hip hop just because i am black, he obviously overstepped the mark

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

i was warned and banned for a few days but i still have faith in the mods, vivahate made some comments to me like go and listen to hip hop just because i am black, he obviously overstepped the mark

well, viva is a white guy from florida
so he may be racist without even knowing it :eek:

[mspendl828]

But mike, why is it ok for you to sterotype Americans, but not VH to sterotype blacks?

[beau]

Give everyone the power to ban as long as they have two approving witnesses. Make it where you say "I ban thee I ban thee I ban thee" and then two people say "I supporteth thou argument" or something like that and the person is banned for ever.

It would be pitifully easy for someone to get banned if they ruffled the feather of just 1 other member with 2 friends to support their vendetta.

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

But mike, why is it ok for you to sterotype Americans, but not VH to sterotype blacks?

it is not ok
but he is black
so he has greater rights to act in such a manner until he chooses not to

[mspendl828]

What? You're saying it's ok for black people to be racist but not white people?

[slum mum 1974]

(oooh, this one is going to get ugly....*runs off*.....)

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

What? You're saying it's ok for black people to be racist but not white people?
ok
interesting word
instead I and other enlightened people think it shows COMPASSION to show greater tolerance for the exhibition of negative traits by those desecended from historically opressed classes
but i do not expect someone like you to understand this
no
the last thing i think mspendl828 will ever achieve is the ability to empathize with the many many out there that are so different from you
so
I curse you to feel more isolated as you age
but you can hold on to your boorish ways :)

[mspendl828]

The difference is, Robby, I don't give a fuck if he's black or white. It was wrong for him to stereotype all Americans as the same before he 'came out' as being black on the forum and it's still wrong now.

[Busy Clippers]

Not that I imagine it will happen, but it would be helpful for the rest of us to understand how TOS violations are actually interpreted, if not in the interest of fairness then certainly for the sake of clarity. I know this isn't a collective, but even Babylon had Hammurabi's Code (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/hamcode.html).

And banning is so sudden, can't they spend some time in a Virtual Pillory before they go?
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5390/pillorystockstb9.jpg

[mspendl828]

And banning is so sudden, can't they spend some time in a Virtual Pillory before they go?
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5390/pillorystockstb9.jpg

That's what the Infraction things are for, I would imagine.

Considering we have a 'Suspicious users list' sticky, there's no reason in the world we should not have 'banned users list' sticky.

[mspendl828]

I've posted this is off topic but I'm reposting it here as I'm presuming it has a better chance of being seen by a mod here.

For what it's worth, I've been told by a reasonably well informed source that the reason Viva Hate was given for the permanent ban they recieved was "Take a timeout".

Now, if true, that's actually just fucking bullshit from the moderator/s who decided they wanted to ban him.

[Dave]

It would be pitifully easy for someone to get banned if they ruffled the feather of just 1 other member with 2 friends to support their vendetta.

well I know. I think it would just speed up the natural process. once they get banned they come back with a new name anyway and then you have to guess all over again.

[Busy Clippers]

That's what the Infraction things are for, I would imagine.

Considering we have a 'Suspicious users list' sticky, there's no reason in the world we should not have 'banned users list' sticky.

If you'll look again, you'll see I asked that I was agreeing with you. It's called reading comprehension. You should try it. The pre-ban pillory was just a video game idea.

[Grim O'Grady]

Give everyone the power to ban as long as they have two approving witnesses. Make it where you say "I ban thee I ban thee I ban thee" and then two people say "I supporteth thou argument" or something like that and the person is banned for ever.

splendid idea D but I think you need a clause...
no one is allowed more than 1 friend, if it appears you have two then you get what is called a 3-some ban, which is eternal!

glad to help

love

Grim

[Dave]

since this wouldn't effect me I am all for it.

I've just read about something called The Family though and now I wonder if control is locked.

[davidt]

I banned Viva Hate, the user has inciting arguments with another user on the site, which can be considered harassment.

The user had already been warned in the past.

[Sir Alec]

but that happens all the time Davidt. If that is the reason for banishment, then several people, some who posted on this thread, ought to be banned for doing the same thing.

I'm just getting a little tired of the stereotyping, homophobia, and religion bashing that slips past once and a while.

[mbb321]

David, do you want to join the NMO? Keep up the good work squire!

Deano

[WinkWink]

I banned Viva Hate, the user has inciting arguments with another user on the site, which can be considered harassment.

The user had already been warned in the past.

what name do you post with when you are not 'davidt'. come on, i'm sure you go by another name on the boards. why pick on viva for what many do? what about robby?

you know, you should probably ban a bunch of us in that case. you should be ashamed of yourself. you allow people to post julia's address, telling people to go assault her, but you ban viva for being in a argument with YOUR FRIENDS. What ever happened to free speech?

davidt, you are hypocrite and a silly man. I can see that your self-righteous stubbornness made Morrissey himself hate you and this site. You are the reason why he decided this place is solow!! it was you attitude and actions. you ban viva, but you allow threatening posts against julia, and you allow rumors, submitted by anonymous individuals, which may easily harm Morrissey's reputation. for what? a show? well now you have the show. you get the solow show - here, there and everywhere. all for you davidt, the true god of morrissey-solo. we bow down to you.

and ... It's really a shame, we can have a wonderful community if this bias didn't exist on the boards.

[davidt]

Where is the hypocrisy? The user who posted that item about julia violated the TOS and is banned from the site.

I'd say you're the one being hyprocritical with the examples in your post. Do you want free speech or don't you?


what name do you post with when you are not 'davidt'. come on, i'm sure you go by another name on the boards. why pick on viva for what many do? what about robby?

you know, you should probably ban a bunch of us in that case. you should be ashamed of yourself. you allow people to post julia's address, telling people to go assault her, but you ban viva for being in a argument with YOUR FRIENDS. What ever happened to free speech?

davidt, you are hypocrite and a silly man. I can see that your self-righteous stubbornness made Morrissey himself hate you and this site. You are the reason why he decided this place is solow!! it was you attitude and actions. you ban viva, but you allow threatening posts against julia, and you allow rumors, submitted by anonymous individuals, which may easily harm Morrissey's reputation. for what? a show? well now you have the show. you get the solow show - here, there and everywhere. all for you davidt, the true god of morrissey-solo. we bow down to you.

and ... It's really a shame, we can have a wonderful community if this bias didn't exist on the boards.

[Grim O'Grady]

... Do you want free speech or don't you?

so how did Viva Hate pay for free speech?


Grim

[Godlovesugly]

This place needs to be run like the forums of somethingawful.com the mods are feared and respected in equal measures...for one they dont take any shit (poo poo) and users can be banned for anything usually just being an idiot can get you banned.

the main thing that deters people from being abusive or whatever is CHARGING for a place in these forums and if you act like an idiot you are banned and you've wasted $10 or whatever it maybe.

Charge people to be on here and if you want proof of it working look at the forums of somethingawful.com it started off badly for lowtax with masses of trolls on the forums but as soon as he started charging for it.....it all went away.

[mike joyce]

This place needs to be run like the forums of somethingawful.com the mods are feared and respected in equal measures...for one they dont take any shit (poo poo) and users can be banned for anything usually just being an idiot can get you banned.

the main thing that deters people from being abusive or whatever is CHARGING for a place in these forums and if you act like an idiot you are banned and you've wasted $10 or whatever it maybe.

Charge people to be on here and if you want proof of it working look at the forums of somethingawful.com it started off badly for lowtax with masses of trolls on the forums but as soon as he started charging for it.....it all went away.


pay to use an internet forum?
get real

[WinkWink]

This place needs to be run like the forums of somethingawful.com the mods are feared and respected in equal measures...for one they dont take any shit (poo poo) and users can be banned for anything usually just being an idiot can get you banned.

the main thing that deters people from being abusive or whatever is CHARGING for a place in these forums and if you act like an idiot you are banned and you've wasted $10 or whatever it maybe.

Charge people to be on here and if you want proof of it working look at the forums of somethingawful.com it started off badly for lowtax with masses of trolls on the forums but as soon as he started charging for it.....it all went away.

why should davidt, or anyone for that matter, profit from morrissey? pay for this site, and people will go elsewhere.

[davidt]

Something Awful has to deal with trolls on a much bigger scale than this site so is a good example to look at, thanks.

Charging a small fee for access to posting the forum would filter out a lot noise, but because of the smaller scale of this site, it would probably filter out most of the users also.


This place needs to be run like the forums of somethingawful.com the mods are feared and respected in equal measures...for one they dont take any shit (poo poo) and users can be banned for anything usually just being an idiot can get you banned.

the main thing that deters people from being abusive or whatever is CHARGING for a place in these forums and if you act like an idiot you are banned and you've wasted $10 or whatever it maybe.

Charge people to be on here and if you want proof of it working look at the forums of somethingawful.com it started off badly for lowtax with masses of trolls on the forums but as soon as he started charging for it.....it all went away.

[HIM]

I banned Viva Hate, the user has inciting arguments with another user on the site, which can be considered harassment.

that is a very, very obviously not true.

[HIM]

With the slight outrage being caused by the banning of Viva Hate for whatever reason, do none of the mods think that makes the modding process for things like bannings should be made more transparant? Would it really be terrible if here in the Site Feedback folder that when someone is either given an Infraction or Banned (at the very least when they're banned) the mod who did it should post the news and say why?

I was not a fan of VH at all, but there was nothing that they posted that I have seen that was any worse than what has been posted by others who have not been banned.

As it stands nothing is stopping someone doing whatever VH did to get banned and getting banned themselves whereby if it was at least made public what they were banned for (other than a simple link to the bloody TOS) it could serve as a proper warning to others.

Plus this would actually make the modding of the forums easier as people would know exactly what would get them banned, rather than just being pointed towards the TOS.



Just a thought for you to mull over.

maybe more importantly, at present, there is the risk of people doing whatever 'viva hate' did and not getting banned. now that a reason has been cited for 'viva hate' being banned, everybody can see that that is the case.

otherwise (and at the risk of taking this all too seriously) i agree with you, entirely.

[the voice of reason]

that is a very, very obviously not true.

He told you the truth.
Are you calling him a liar?

[Godlovesugly]

why should davidt, or anyone for that matter, profit from morrissey? pay for this site, and people will go elsewhere.

Who said anyone has to profit from this?

it must cost money to run this place and if not it could go to it's own uploading thing (server?) so people could upload things on the site and download from the site directly....or for registering you could get a badge or t-shirt i dunno with "Morrissey-solo Member" on it.

I'm not offering something new here its been tried and tested and it works like i've said something awful has the same thing going.

[mspendl828]

If you'll look again, you'll see I asked that I was agreeing with you and then making an unrelated point. It's called reading comprehension. You should try it. The pre-ban pillory was just a video game idea.

If you'll look again, you'll see that I was not disagreeing with you, merely pointing out such a pillory is in place but is not public and then made an unrelated point in a new paragraph. It's called reading comprehension. You should try it.

[HIM]

wow
so i just realized you were on drugs too :o

are you "[...] inciting arguments with another user on the site", robby?

this, apparently, "[...] can be considered harassment" (except that - in your case - it, inexplicably, never seems to be).

specifically, in answer to your post, though, no, i'm not on drugs. drugs mess up people's lives, robby.

[davidt]

there are many more details regarding harassment which users and many times moderators don't see. It would take a while to do the work that is being asked. I choose not to do this but you are free to ask on this board. My time is limited as this is not my full time job and I prefer to spend this limited time updating the site, making sure the code is working and the servers are up.

If you don't like the policies as a user of the site, you could ask for your money back, if you gave any and I would gladly refund it. Otherwise, you can use the other Morrissey / Smiths related forums sites out there, or as others have done, create your own.


are you "[...] inciting arguments with another user on the site", robby?

this, apparently, "[...] can be considered harassment" (except that - in your case - it, inexplicably, never seems to be).

specifically, in answer to your post, though, no, i'm not on drugs. drugs mess up people's lives, robby.

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

that is a very, very obviously not true.
-let me guess, and you are asserting this because those that differ with 'viva hate'
(some of whom, by the way, have what could be considered evidence for our statements)
say it is true

are you "[...] inciting arguments with another user on the site", robby?

this, apparently, "[...] can be considered harassment" (except that - in your case - it, inexplicably, never seems to be).

specifically, in answer to your post, though, no, i'm not on drugs. drugs mess up people's lives, robby.
i was only half joking dude
see i was temporarily seized with wondering what was the reason
you would decide to make declarations of viva hate's innocence :confused:
especially given that many of us know that he is not only not innocent
many do not know the half of it :eek:
so
with that in mind, i came to 3 likely conclusions regarding your
very poorly played attempt @ being a defense attorney;
1. you are another mysorobist & as such have traded your free will for instead just being against whatever i am for
2. viva hate bribed or promised you in some way
3. like i said before
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/gulrober/me/weapons/crack-pipe6557.jpg:o

[HIM]

-let me guess, and you are asserting this because those that differ with 'viva hate'
(some of whom, by the way, have what could be considered evidence for our statements)
say it is true

i was only half joking dude
see i was temporarily seized with wondering what was the reason
you would decide to make declarations of viva hate's innocence :confused:
especially given that many of us know that he is not only not innocent
many do not know the half of it :eek:
so
with that in mind, i came to 3 likely conclusions regarding your
very poorly played attempt @ being a defense attorney;
1. you are another mysorobist & as such have traded your free will for instead just being against whatever i am for
2. viva hate bribed or promised you in some way
3. like i said before
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/gulrober/me/weapons/crack-pipe6557.jpg:o


honestly, i can't be arsed to have an entirely pointless discussion with you about the trivia of an internet forum. some people just take it - like their pop idols - a wee bit too seriously.

for the purpose of clarity, though, i'll simply point out that i didn't "[...] decide to make declarations of viva hate's innocence [...]" in any of my posts in this thread, or elsewhere. read them again - perhaps when your drug-addled brain is clearer - and you'll see that i was implying others' guilt - of the kind of T.O.S. breaches - for which 'viva hate' was banned and highlighting that they have not been banned.

b.t.w. is "mysorobist" your Word Of The Week?

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

honestly, i can't be arsed to have an entirely pointless discussion with you about the trivia of an internet forum. some people just take it - like their pop idols - a wee bit too seriously.

for the purpose of clarity, though, i'll simply point out that i didn't "[...] decide to make declarations of viva hate's innocence [...]" in any of my posts in this thread, or elsewhere. read them again - perhaps when your drug-addled brain is clearer - and you'll see that i was implying others' guilt - of the kind of T.O.S. breaches - for which 'viva hate' was banned and highlighting that they have not been banned.

b.t.w. is "mysorobist" your Word Of The Week?

honestly, i choose not to answer the questions of some one like you that is clearly addicted to attempting to insult me
&
who has an unhealthy fascination with a fantasy about my drug use that is almost solely based on him(that's you HIM) & hardly me @ all

[HIM]

honestly, i choose not to answer the questions of some one like you that is clearly addicted to attempting to insult me
&
who has an unhealthy fascination with a fantasy about my drug use that is almost solely based on him(that's you HIM) & hardly me @ all

i find you addictive robby. you're lovely.

[HIM]

there are many more details regarding harassment which users and many times moderators don't see. It would take a while to do the work that is being asked. I choose not to do this but you are free to ask on this board. My time is limited as this is not my full time job and I prefer to spend this limited time updating the site, making sure the code is working and the servers are up.

the specific reason for your banning the user 'viva hate' was that he had incited arguments with another user of the site and that he could be banned since this incitement "[...] can be considered harassment [...]".

http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showpost.php?p=510686&postcount=24

no other reason was given. others have done the same thing, serially, and not been banned.



If you don't like the policies as a user of the site, you could ask for your money back, if you gave any and I would gladly refund it. Otherwise, you can use the other Morrissey / Smiths related forums sites out there, or as others have done, create your own.

i'm perfectly happy with "the policies [...] of the site"; it is their arbitrary implementation that people "don't like". suggesting that people simply go elsewhere if they don't agree with how you implement your policies is scarcely an answer to the question of why you show preferential treatment to some members.

i can appreciate that running this site isn't easy and i'm sure it takes a lot of effort, time and patience. for that, you deserve a lot of credit. personally, i'm not asking for you to do much more than you already do, though (i.e. explain why people have been banned, when that occurs and, hopefully, implement your own rules even-handedly).

(in truth, though, i don't really give a toss about any of it)

[davidt]

no other reason was given. others have done the same thing, serially, and not been banned.

...it is their arbitrary implementation that people "don't like".

...scarcely an answer to the question of why you show preferential treatment to some members.


I think there are some incorrect assumptions in your statement. Other people have in fact been banned for harassment. This is not an "arbitrary" procedure and not "preferential", the moderators and I look at reports from the forum, and other reports that users PM or email to us. We look for violations of the TOS and take appropriate action.

Otherwise thanks for recognizing the efforts that go into the site. It is impossible to make everyone happy.

[mspendl828]

So, for the record, "inciting arguments with another user on the site" is a bannable offense?

[davidt]

No, harassment is.


So, for the record, "inciting arguments with another user on the site" is a bannable offense?

[mspendl828]

Ah, got you. Thanks.

[mike joyce]

So, for the record, "inciting arguments with another user on the site" is a bannable offense?


along with using racist remarks
yes

[mspendl828]

You mean like

"americans cant do comedy"

"bill hicks=american=crap sense of humour=unfunny"

"americans have not even heard of the smiths"

"americans do not have a clue about music"

"just another artist americans go on about to try and seem important"

"american music is terrible and hasnt influenced anything"

"its impossible to miss any american with the size of them"

"americans know nothing about music"

Swap the american references to 'black' and you'd be fucking outraged mike.



And what racist remarks have I used, out of interest?

[vicarinatutugal]

You mean like

"americans cant do comedy"

"bill hicks=american=crap sense of humour=unfunny"

"americans have not even heard of the smiths"

"americans do not have a clue about music"

"just another artist americans go on about to try and seem important"

"american music is terrible and hasnt influenced anything"

"its impossible to miss any american with the size of them"

"americans know nothing about music"

Swap the american references to 'black' and you'd be fucking outraged mike.



And what racist remarks have I used, out of interest?

That was funny... I think he means your old southpark sig, which was the funniest thing I had seen in an age. However I am one of the people who think it says more about the person who thinks its going to be racist then realises its not.
however I might be totally wrong and if so, excuse me I'm leaving.

Karin :)

[WhatDifferenceDoesItMake?]

Ah while you're here DavidT, would you kindly review Mike Joyce's (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/search.php?do=finduser&u=1928) membership? It seems, while I don't think he harasses, he constantly provokes & insults. Seems a bit more blatant than "Viva Hate" ever was.

[Kewpie]

WDDIM, you have to report when you find someone's comment which may be breaching TOS to the moderators.
Moderators cannot take action without reading the post whether it violates TOS or not.

If you click the red triangle on the bottom left of each post which is the link to the reported post.

Moderators normally do not take action against personal slagging matches.
You may find some comments are unacceptable, but as David already explained earlier you can use ignore options for some members you find their comments disagree with.

[mspendl828]

Kewpie, do posts have to be reported before the mods can do anything, or can a mod decide something is violating the TOS even if it hasn't been reported if they come across them while generally reading and posting on the forums?

[mike joyce]

Ah while you're here DavidT, would you kindly review Mike Joyce's (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/search.php?do=finduser&u=1928) membership? It seems, while I don't think he harasses, he constantly provokes & insults. Seems a bit more blatant than "Viva Hate" ever was.


do you not have anything better to do with your life than trying to get people banned from an internet forum?
get a life

[Kewpie]

Kewpie, do posts have to be reported before the mods can do anything, or can a mod decide something is violating the TOS even if it hasn't been reported if they come across them while generally reading and posting on the forums?


It depends on the number of the posts.
Moderators make effort to read the posts as many as they can, but not all the moderators are online everyday.

When a moderator spotted a post which violated TOS he/she reports it to the moderators' forum and discuss which action should be taken.

[mspendl828]

OK, thanks for the reply.

[WhatDifferenceDoesItMake?]

do you not have anything better to do with your life than trying to get people banned from an internet forum?
get a life

From a guy who has nothing better to do than provoke people on an internet forum. SUCH a loser. :confused:

(Thanks for the advice Kewpie)

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

WhatDifferenceDoesItMake?
=
Viva Hate
got it now
thx :eek:

[WinkWink]

It depends on the number of the posts.
Moderators make effort to read the posts as many as they can, but not all the moderators are online everyday.

When a moderator spotted a post which violated TOS he/she reports it to the moderators' forum and discuss which action should be taken.

do all posts reported end up in front of all the moderators? is there any chance a moderator can cover the tracks of his or her friend(s)?

I prefer a moderator other than Kewpie answering the questions.

[polyester]

'There are some bad people on the rise
There are some bad, bad people on the rise .
They're saving their own skins while ruining people's lives'

This is getting quite petty, like the Washington housewives stepping in as some morally righteous guards, fighting for their vision of morrissey to be seen as the only one. There is no real variation of thoughts on mozzer's body of work if 'troublemakers' get cast out. I'd even say , bannining is virtual murder.
'how can you consciously contemplate , where there's no debate , no debate, no debate'
i have more on my lip , but i will close it as that, half-finished and half in thought.

undie

[Uncleskinny]

do all posts reported end up in front of all the moderators? is there any chance a moderator can cover the tracks of his or her friend(s)?

I prefer a moderator other than Kewpie answering the questions.

Yes, we all see them. And we NEVER cover anyone's tracks. Why would we? What's the point of that? As I've said often before, doing the right thing is extremely important to me. All reported posts are considered equally and equitably. We discuss what's to be done (if anything), and come to a consensus. It's rare that actions are taken unilaterally. No one is above reproach, and no one gets favourable treatment. Really.

Peter

[WinkWink]

Yes, we all see them. And we NEVER cover anyone's tracks. Why would we? What's the point of that? As I've said often before, doing the right thing is extremely important to me. All reported posts are considered equally and equitably. We discuss what's to be done (if anything), and come to a consensus. It's rare that actions are taken unilaterally. No one is above reproach, and no one gets favourable treatment. Really.

Peter

so did you all decide i should get an infraction for reporting Mr. Improper's abusive post towards Gin n Tonic? Or did Davidt alone decide to pay me back?

Unfortunately abusive language and harassing is now allowed on the site, and davidt made it finally clear what to report and what not to. If i would have known beforehand, I wouldn't have reported Improper's ABUSIVE (something that was once against TOS) post.

Uncleskinny, I like you. too bad you don't run this place.

Unfortunately i fear reporting posts or face being banned. Davidt is a wanker, and it's ok to say that on here!!!

the war is over, but i still got an infraction for reporting what i thought was against TOS. This is entrapment..all those times you guys encouraged reporting posts against the TOS. :rolleyes: :confused:

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

i see so David T is more of like the Secretary General of the UN
and the moderators are kind of like the Security Council
which makes us posters kind of like the member states
if so
i wanna be one with a cool flag :p