Is this animal cruelty?

[The Seeker of Good Songs]

In the parking lot where I work, a person brings their dog everyday, and the dog is in the car the entire day. It may be let out sometime to do it's business, I don't watch constantly.

The windows are cracked open so it gets air and it isn't hot, so there is no worry of heat problems.

It is a German shepherd type dog, so it's a fairly large dog, and the vehicle is a newer model Toyota Land Cruiser.
The dog is in the rear cargo area , so it has something like a 3 foot by 4 foot area to lay down and in.

Is this appropriate? It may be better than being chained in a yard but is that any good? Should this person be reported?

Your thoughts.

[Grim O'Grady]

sounds like it to me, is the animal distressed though? Why don't you have a word with the owner? Take a pic of it & note the car reg eh!

love

Grim

[lilybett]

What? Every day?

Why do people keep animals if they can't look after them properly? :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

people who lock dogs in cars(on a regular basis) are scum

[Grim O'Grady]

would it be cruel to feed the dog laxative chocolate the minute the tossers left the dog locked in?

love

Grim

[scottishlass]

would it be cruel to feed the dog laxative chocolate the minute the tossers left the dog locked in?

love

Grim


whilst I would love to see their car covered in poo, it would be really cruel to do that. even when its not that hot, dogs overheat in cars even with the windows open a bit. (especially all day.

really horrible. :(

[The Seeker of Good Songs]

sounds like it to me, is the animal distressed though? Why don't you have a word with the owner? Take a pic of it & note the car reg eh!

love

Grim

The dog isn't distressed. It only barks when someone comes into his "zone." Otherwise, you wouldn't really know the dog is in there.

[Worm]

If it's not distressed, then it's just an unfortunate situation. Obviously the dog deserves better treatment, but I don't think any of us can call it "cruelty" unless we knew why the person was doing this. There's probably a very good reason the dog is taken to work every day, and it might well be that in the bigger picture the owner is trying to help the dog. Perhaps the dog got into a bit of trouble (biting, noise, etc) and the authorities demanded that it be under constant supervision (or the next best thing, confined in a spot near the owner at all times) or taken away and possibly destroyed. It's hard to say without knowing the background.

[The Crime 0f The Century!]

If it's not distressed, then it's just an unfortunate situation. Obviously the dog deserves better treatment, but I don't think any of us can call it "cruelty" unless we knew why the person was doing this. There's probably a very good reason the dog is taken to work every day, and it might well be that in the bigger picture the owner is trying to help the dog. Perhaps the dog got into a bit of trouble (biting, noise, etc) and the authorities demanded that it be under constant supervision (or the next best thing, confined in a spot near the owner at all times) or taken away and possibly destroyed. It's hard to say without knowing the background.

you bastard

[Worm]

you bastard

Try visiting an animal care facility and speaking to someone who both deeply cares about animals and understands all the issues involved in humanely treating them as pets. These cases are often simple, but often they're not. We don't know all the facts.

[The Crime 0f The Century!]

The fake strikes again.

yes, someone has spoofed my username. Look cakestand, when I want your comments I will ask for them...ok? now be a good little troll and die.

As for worm, he is a bastard for saying this, he prove it by refering to a dog as "it".

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

Try visiting an animal care facility and speaking to someone who both deeply cares about animals and understands all the issues involved in humanely treating them as pets. These cases are often simple, but often they're not. We don't know all the facts.

here are the facts;

most humans are scum
and they treat themselves and other humans pretty badly
and you can see this in how they treat their pets and children


ps:animals and kids tend to love me
:D

[lilybett]

I think you should talk to the owner

Or if you think they'll give you a smack, call the RSPCA. The dog won't automatically get taken away from them just cos you ring up. They'll investigate and talk to the owner who was probably just too dim to realise keeping a dog in a car all day isn't fair and who will hopefully see the error of his ways and everything will be tickety boo

[Worm]

As for worm, he is a bastard for saying this, he prove it by refering to a dog as "it".

Is this self-parody?

Have you never heard a living creature referred to as "it" when "its" gender is unknown?

I'm not sure I've ever encountered a person who so blindly rushes to judgment with the tinieset of provocations as you so consistently do. It's as if the smallest nuance in any moral argument is proof to you of inhumanity and complicity with evil.

You and George W. Bush have a lot in common in that regard.

[scottishlass]

Is this self-parody?
I'm not sure I've ever encountered a person who so blindly rushes to judgment with the tinieset of provocations as you so consistently do.


erhh, hello? like... Morrissey. :)

[Worm]

here are the facts;

most humans are scum
and they treat themselves and other humans pretty badly
and you can see this in how they treat their pets and children


ps:animals and kids tend to love me
:D

Sunny outlook as usual, Robby.

I don't deny what you say. But this is a specific situation we're asked about, not a general one. Lilybett is completely right. The next step before hysterical condemnation is to speak to the dog's owner and get the facts. If this owner is really just "scum" mistreating the German shepherd then I respectfully nominate The Crime of the Century to lead a daring commando raid to free it from captivity, leaving the possible castration of the evil-doing owner (for he is surely a male, of course) at her discretion.

[lottie]

I agree with worm and lilybet,
If the dog gets lots of exercise when its not in the car (maybe you could offer to give it a walkies at lunchtime) then i think as long as it is checked on regularly and has access to water, then it should be fine. (but not in the summer)
Its not an ideal situation especially for a large dog, as it can cause all sorts of joint problems, but be brave just talk to the person ask them about it nicely, and maybe offer to help keep it occupied.

[the more you explore me!]

yep this is neglect, possible the owner doesn't mean to be cruel and has no option during the working day. it a problem with having pets, such as dogs as they need someone with them all the time or most of it, unlike cats.
talk to the owner really!

[The Crime 0f The Century!]

Sunny outlook as usual, Robby.

I don't deny what you say. But this is a specific situation we're asked about, not a general one. Lilybett is completely right. The next step before hysterical condemnation is to speak to the dog's owner and get the facts. If this owner is really just "scum" mistreating the German shepherd then I respectfully nominate The Crime of the Century to lead a daring commando raid to free it from captivity, leaving the possible castration of the evil-doing owner (for he is surely a male, of course) at her discretion.

Ahh, your true colors show. You are a man. You do not like WOMEN having opinions and beliefs, prefer them cooking for you huh?

You may sneer at me from the saftey of your pc, but YES, I have been involved in setting free animals that were being held in cruel conditions.

If you do not belive that cats and dogs should be included in the national health system, you are a jerk.

[Worm]

Ahh, your true colors show. You are a man. You do not like WOMEN having opinions and beliefs, prefer them cooking for you huh?

You may sneer at me from the saftey of your pc, but YES, I have been involved in setting free animals that were being held in cruel conditions.

If you do not belive that cats and dogs should be included in the national health system, you are a jerk.

If you freed animals from cruel conditions, good for you. Somehow I'm sure the reality of those conditions and the conditions as you perceived them were probably different, but as I don't know the facts-- good for you.

I'm sneering at your kneejerk moral righteousness and your inexplicable logical leaps. I'm for animal cruelty because I want Seeker to talk to the owner? I'm against feminism because I'm a man? You're swinging at phantoms of your own making now.

[lilybett]

Ahh, your true colors show. You are a man. You do not like WOMEN having opinions and beliefs, prefer them cooking for you huh?


Hahahahahaha!!! :D :D

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

Sunny outlook as usual, Robby.

I don't deny what you say. But this is a specific situation we're asked about, not a general one. Lilybett is completely right. The next step before hysterical condemnation is to speak to the dog's owner and get the facts. If this owner is really just "scum" mistreating the German shepherd then I respectfully nominate The Crime of the Century to lead a daring commando raid to free it from captivity, leaving the possible castration of the evil-doing owner (for he is surely a male, of course) at her discretion.

i 2nd the nomination
and offer my
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/gulrober/me/weapons/bayonet.jpg

[Worm]

Worm, it's a troll trying to get a reaction.

I see.

As the august and magisterial statesman the world affectionately knows as "Dubya" once elegantly put it, "There's an old saying in Tennessee—I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, fool me once, shame on—shame on you. ... Fool me...you- you can't get fooled again."—

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

You do not like WOMEN having opinions and beliefs, prefer them cooking for you huh?

well, i aint no about worm
but i dig women with opions&stuff
they tend to be better in bed
also
on cooking
almost all the best cooks are men
see
http://web.syr.edu/~laberry/website/images/ic-arise.gif
fo mo info

[sonof77]

Kidnap the doggy and give it to a caring owner. Report man/woman to R.S.P.C.A. but don't ignore the problem.

[Theo]

In the parking lot where I work, a person brings their dog everyday, and the dog is in the car the entire day. It may be let out sometime to do it's business, I don't watch constantly.

The windows are cracked open so it gets air and it isn't hot, so there is no worry of heat problems.

It is a German shepherd type dog, so it's a fairly large dog, and the vehicle is a newer model Toyota Land Cruiser.
The dog is in the rear cargo area , so it has something like a 3 foot by 4 foot area to lay down and in.

Is this appropriate? It may be better than being chained in a yard but is that any good? Should this person be reported?

Your thoughts.


Yes, it's abusive to the dog.

Particularly a German Shepherd. That's not a dog just anyone should own. They need a lot of physical exercise and don't take boredom well.

And I don't think you can count on the dog not getting hot if the window is cracked, since the dog is there for hours and cars can get hot in any case. If you were sure the car was too hot, there might be a CA law against leaving dogs in cars in hot temperatures, without water, etc.

You should try and run into the owner when they're at the car and attempt a friendly chat where you sorta bring up the subject after admiring their dog...you know, in a tactful way, and see what they have to say. If the person loves the dog, there's always the chance that planting the seed that they're doing wrong will be enough. Probably not though.

[Theo]

Is this self-parody?

Have you never heard a living creature referred to as "it" when "its" gender is unknown?



Actually, I was thinking the same thing as I read message after message from people referring to this German Shepherd as "it." There are other options on how to refer to the dog besides "it" when the dog's gender is unknown. It is telling when people refer to a dog - MAN'S BEST FRIEND BTW - as an "it." It indicates a mentality. I've never done so ever in my entire life. I don't have to stop myself from using "it," I don't have to think about not using "it." It would feel absolutely bizarre, unnatural, and perverse to use "it." Those who find it natural to call a living, breathing dog an "it" are suspect, IMHO.

[Oh my god, it's Robby!]

the 'it' girl;

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/Clarabow0101.jpg
http://themave.com/bijou/20/galry/galry-bow.jpg
http://cinema.concordia.ca/wscreen/images/clarabow.jpg
http://justmycupoftea.typepad.com/just_my_cup_of_tea/images/clara_bow.jpg

[Theo]

http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/9c/7b/221629-resized200.jpg