When did he calm down??

[bosso20640]

I know he's getting on a bit now but when did he exactly calm down. Sad though it is to see, he is very calm these days!!
Dallas '91 he was wild,
I saw him at Newcastle '92, he was okay then but in Hartlepool '99 he was totally placid. Bring back the Old Morrissey I say.
What's prompted his more serene state on stage???

[40 % Papier Mache]

middle age?

like derek smalls from spinal tap once said:

"who wants to be a forty-five year old rock'n'roller farting around in front of people less than half their age?...."

[robertzombie]

Doesn't stop old Brucey boy!

http://www.nrk.no/img/276337.jpeg :D

[mspendl828]

He is an old man, y'know...

[Tomorrow]

Morrissey can't exactly start head banging to his own music now can he? He's not a spring chicken anymore, he cannot go mental like he did in the early nineties, and he is almost fifty. It would odd to see him dancing around now like he used to in the 1980’s:D .

[Albion]

He is getting on a bit now, I prefer Morrissey growing older gracefully rather than embarrassingly acting like teenagers the way The Who and The Strolling Bones do.

[Tomorrow]

Madonna is the worst for that, she dresses like she's eighteen it's quite gross.

[Albion]

Madonna is the worst for that, she dresses like she's eighteen it's quite gross.

well she is the build of a 14 year old now a days.

[WHY!]

To be very, very honest: I prefer the "older" Moz instead of the younger one. I like older men. And when he was younger he was that thin. Uuh, I don't like thin men. No. I think he's perfect now - for me. And as long as he take off his shirt onstage everything is well. :D

[Worm]

Slight twist of perspective: how active are the audiences? Are they as energetic as they were in Dallas?

[lux girl]

Isn't it completely obvious why he has calmed down. Morrissey is now a mature artist and I'm delighted that he is aging gracefully and not poncing around like Jagger, Bono and co.
Viva the more mature Moz!

[lovemorrissey]

He gets more stunning the older he gets, and he's so much sexier with a bit of meat on him rather than a skeleton like he was back then.

The audiences are just as wild as they were back then, if not more so now, its just that nowadays the security is a lot tighter and stricter, imagine if anyone could climb up on the stage like they did in Dallas? The poor guy wouldnt be able to sing!

[Harry]

Being more stately suits his age and his music now. I agree that it's much better that he ages gracefully... I also think he dresses better now. He's of a type who look better the older they get.

I remember him saying in an interview that he wasn't scared by getting older, it seems he's embracing it very well.

Harry

[Roma De Moz]

Alot of the physicality Morrissey brought to the stage in the late eighties/early nineties was his frustration and anger manifest; I speak perceptively of course, we know Morrissey was, and still is, very "other worldly" compared to the rest of his contemporaries. Reserved in interviews, but a shrieking Adonis on-stage. Now though, with his calmer temperament, which he has admitted countless times since, is a result of 'age' and 'perspective', and on a more even keel with his depression, he no longer feels the need to exude such a fuming urgency on stage. That is not to say he has grown complacent, some may argue that he has, but I don't think that is the case.

When I saw Morrissey at Wembley last year, his presence was magnetising, but in a very different way; he still moved about alot, brimming with energy as he cracked the microphone whip to and fro, but he seems to have a subtle yet tight grip over the audience as he is now; he inhabits a Sinatra like figure, the 'elder statesman' mentality has surely paid off.

[nightandday]

He gets more stunning the older he gets, and he's so much sexier with a bit of meat on him rather than a skeleton like he was back then.

The audiences are just as wild as they were back then, if not more so now, its just that nowadays the security is a lot tighter and stricter, imagine if anyone could climb up on the stage like they did in Dallas? The poor guy wouldnt be able to sing!
He was hardly a skeleton in 1991! As the Dallas video shows very well. :yumyum:

People can't climb on stage now because of the security. I saw Moz at Exit in July, the security guards were lined up in front of the stage. I didn't see it, but other people have told me that one guy tried to get on stage, and the security guards jumped on him within a second. They said "the poor guy was probably ready for the paramedics once the guards have finished with him" :(

[lilikoi]

he probably doesn't want to turn into the character he describes in "get off the stage" :p

thow I think there's nothing sexier in the world than the young morrissey on stage, he probably would look silly if he still jumped around like that.

[Chartres]

For what I know he started to get less mobile during 1995 Boxer-tour. But nows he's an old man with more "dignity".

[Tomorrow]

I'd imagine you can't continue to jump about like a young and energetic chap when you're wearing designer clothes.

[Danny]

I'd imagine you can't continue to jump about like a young and energetic chap when you're wearing designer clothes.

Yes, he's really precious about his clothes isn't he? ;)

[Tomorrow]

Well he is rather vain, I'm pretty sure he is a perfectionist, when he isn't taking his clothes off that is. He strikes me as a person who wouldn't wear a slightly creased shirt or a pair of trousers with a dirt mark.

[Danny]

Well he is rather vain, I'm pretty sure he is a perfectionist, when he isn't taking his clothes off that is. He strikes me as a person who wouldn't wear a slightly creased shirt or a pair of trousers with a dirt mark.

You honestly think he doesn't dance about as much for fear of harming his designer clothes?

[Tomorrow]

That and age would seem the more logical options, he doesn’t exactly dance like he used to does he? You could say he doesn’t perform music in which he could lose himself but Panic is a great tune to dance like mad.

[nightandday]

I'd imagine you can't continue to jump about like a young and energetic chap when you're wearing designer clothes.
He wore designer clothes in 1986, bought for him by an obsessive Smiths fan from a well-off family who who called herself 'Oscar'.

[Tomorrow]

I wouldn't call what he wore designer, especially when you consider the clothing line he wears nowadays. The fact that some fan bought him clothes might be one of the reasons Morrissey did not care too much, it’s not like he was buying the clothes he wore. That’s of course if what you say is true, this new to me, so I shall show some scepticism towards it.

[Danny]

I wouldn't call what he wore designer, especially when you consider the clothing line he wears nowadays. The fact that some fan bought him clothes might be one of the reasons Morrissey did not care too much, it’s not like he was buying the clothes he wore. That’s of course if what you say is true, this new to me, so I shall show some scepticism towards it.
I think you are missing something really really obvious here which I hinted at before but you obviously didn't get.

He doesn't keep the designer clothes. He chucks them into the audience to be ripped to shreds. So why on earth would he be bothered. :rolleyes:

[nightandday]

I wouldn't call what he wore designer, especially when you consider the clothing line he wears nowadays. The fact that some fan bought him clothes might be one of the reasons Morrissey did not care too much, it’s not like he was buying the clothes he wore. That’s of course if what you say is true, this new to me, so I shall show some scepticism towards it.
It was in one of the articles about The Smiths in Mojo/Q Classic "Morrissey and the Story of Manchester" special issue in April 2006.

[Tomorrow]

I think you are missing something really really obvious here which I hinted at before but you obviously didn't get.

He doesn't keep the designer clothes. He chucks them into the audience to be ripped to shreds. So why on earth would he be bothered. :rolleyes:

I didn't realise he hurled his shoes, blazer, trousers and belt into the audience as well, I always thought it was just his shirt, which has to change because they become absorbed in his sweat.

Nightandday, I have that and I can't recall reading it, perhaps you can supply me with a link of the story?

[Danny]

I didn't realise he hurled his shoes, blazer, trousers and belt into the audience as well, I always thought it was just his shirt, which has to change because they become absorbed in his sweat.
So I understand about the trousers (though I doubt he wears the same ones twice), but how exactly would a pair of shoes and a belt be ruined by him dancing? Bear in mind he probably wears plastic ones these days. Do designers make those?

[nightandday]

Nightandday, I have that and I can't recall reading it, perhaps you can supply me with a link of the story?
No, nobody has posted a transcript or scans on any website yet.

[Tomorrow]

Look at the way Morrissey dresses, he doesn’t wear a woman’s blouse he picked up from a cheap shop, he wears designer shirts, trousers, belts and shoes, everything about Morrissey’s appearance these days are materialistic. He has enough money to be overly flamboyant in his dress sense, he might throw away one shirt of his every gig, but I doubt’s he throws away the other items of his clothing directly after a gig, they are perfectly good clothes he has on. Now imagine you are in very expensive designer clothing, would you want to be dancing about like an idiot in them? I doubt it; the clothes probably wouldn’t allow you to before ripping and tearing. Add Morrissey’s age into the process and you have two ingredients why Morrissey doesn’t prance around like a Gazelle on ice.

[Danny]

Look at the way Morrissey dresses, he doesn’t wear a woman’s blouse he picked up from a cheap shop, he wears designer shirts, trousers, belts and shoes, everything about Morrissey’s appearance these days are materialistic. He has enough money to be overly flamboyant in his dress sense, he might throw away one shirt of his every gig, but I doubt’s he throws away the other items of his clothing directly after a gig, they are perfectly good clothes he has on. Now imagine you are in very expensive designer clothing, would you want to be dancing about like an idiot in them? I doubt it; the clothes probably wouldn’t allow you to before ripping and tearing. Add Morrissey’s age into the process and you have two ingredients why Morrissey doesn’t prance around like a Gazelle on ice.

It's age.

It's nothing to do with designer clothes. The shoes and belts he wears are not designer. He normally chucks away three shirts per gig. He never wears a jacket for longer than a couple of songs because he gets too hot. So basically you are saying he won't dance around because of one pair of precious designer trousers.

Give it up. Your logic makes no sense.

[Tomorrow]

If you say Mr Morrissey, I do humbly apologise, how big is Morrissey's dick?

[robertzombie]

:rolleyes:

[Kitty3780]

Firstly, can we please stop saying things like "He's an old man now". For f*cks sake. Last time I checked, 47 is not old! One of my best friends is 48 and she is the hottest looking woman I have ever seen, with a figure to die for, and totally fit and healthy. Morrissey is older than he was, which is obvious, but I don't think he's lost his energy or vibrancy. We all change a hell of a lot as we grow, and if you watch footage, you can clearly see a natural development. We all leap around in our youth, then become calmer as we grow up. It's not like he just stands on stage doing naff all. He now "acts" the songs a lot more, using facial expressions and things, but he still flicks the mic lead about and stuff. Remember, Morrissey has created a persona, all artists have a certain way of being on stage, and he is very inspired by classic artists of the past, who are all very dignified on stage.

I think he is just more dignified, more powerful now. He doesn't need to leap about because he now commands the stage in a way he didn't when he was younger.

And he does look so much better now he has gained some weight. So very, very, much better. Plus, who doesn't look good in a well tailored suit? As for plastic shoes - no, I think they are still leather.


If you say Mr Morrissey, I do humbly apologise, how big is Morrissey's dick?

As for this question Tomorrow, if I knew the answer to that question, do you really think I would be sat here right now... surely I'd be doing something else to have that kind of information?

:eek:

[lilikoi]

maybe he's got a herniated disc and can no longer jump around like a 10 year old? that would be one more thing me and him have in common ;-)

[Tomorrow]

:rolleyes:

He seems to know every gory detail about Morrissey, I'd thought I'd ask. It's funny how a lot of Morrissey fans think they actually know the man, there could be more than one reason he no longer bounces around the stage like a bonnie lad, the most logical ideal would be age, but there could be several such as vanity and medical reasons, but this chap seems to think he knows everything about Morrissey, he probably knows about as much as anyone else on here. :rolleyes:

[Danny]

He seems to know every gory detail about Morrissey, I'd thought I'd ask. It's funny how a lot of Morrissey fans think they actually know the man, there could be more than one reason he no longer bounces around the stage like a bonnie lad, the most logical ideal would be age, but there could be several such as vanity and medical reasons, but this chap seems to think he knows everything about Morrissey, he probably knows about as much as anyone else on here. :rolleyes:

No. I just use rational logic. There is no rational reason why Morrissey does not dance because he doesn't want to get his posh togs dirty. :D Especially when he throws most of them away every night.

[Lost]

It is probably an 'age' thing but not necessarily a 'physical' thing.
I'm a year older than Moz and i'm quite confident i could leap around like i did in my twenties if i really wanted to....but i just don't particularly want or need to.
What i'm suggesting is that maybe it's not that Moz doesn't have the energy anymore, it's just probably that he's more chilled and layed back mentally (something that comes with getting a bit older) and doesn't have to burn off so much 'angst' when he's performing.

[Roma De Moz]

Morrissey's iconography has shifted. Simple as that really.

[Tomorrow]

No. I just use rational logic. There is no rational reason why Morrissey does not dance because he doesn't want to get his posh togs dirty. :D Especially when he throws most of them away every night.

He throws away a few shirts, big deal, neither myself or you know the reasons why Morrissey doesn't dance about and move about on stage, I am opening as many doors of exploration as I can, which is what a message board is for. You can sit behind your computer and act like a logical philosopher, I shall not and I won’t. I shall explore as many possibilities as I can no matter how stupid they may seem. If you don’t like them badger someone else.

[Lost]

Morrissey's iconography has shifted. Simple as that really.

Not sure about that one. That would suggest that the Morrissey 'persona' is contrived.
Maybe i'm naive but i like to think that with Morrissey, unlike other pop/rock stars, what you see is actually genuine.

[Danny]

He throws away a few shirts, big deal, neither myself or you know the reasons why Morrissey doesn't dance about and move about on stage, I am opening as many doors of exploration as I can, which is what a message board is for. You can sit behind your computer and act like a logical philosopher, I shall not and I won’t. I shall explore as many possibilities as I can no matter how stupid they may seem. If you don’t like them badger someone else.

So, in other words, I've blown your argument to smithereens.

[Tomorrow]

If that is what you think then so be it, I tend to call it a discussion where my vivid imagination came into play, but then again reading your posts, you do seem like quite the bore. I forgot to mention that you haven't "blown" anything up.

[nightandday]

If that is what you think then so be it, I tend to call it a discussion where my vivid imagination came into play, but then again reading your posts, you do seem like quite the bore.
Other people might think it's the other way round.

[Tomorrow]

Yes, that's true, not that I care, you're only disgruntled because you couldn't get your opinion across as well as me in the other topic. I would be disgruntled to if I was in your shoes. You waltz about like you are the greatest Morrissey fan and you get put down by someone who doesn't claim to know much about Morrissey other than from his music.

[Lost]

Other people might think it's the other way round.


C'mon guys this is all a bit daft. it was a good thread till the handbags came out between Mr. Over-sensitive and Mr. Arrogant :(

[nightandday]

Yes, that's true, not that I care, you're only disgruntled because you couldn't get your opinion across as well as me in the other topic. I would be disgruntled to if I was in your shoes. You waltz about like you are the greatest Morrissey fan and you get put down by someone who doesn't claim to know much about Morrissey other than from his music.
You mean, I'm getting endlessly bored by someone who doesn't know much about Morrissey, but keeps repeating the same things over and over, and can't understand anything that's been said in answer, so I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall?

Yes, that is a reason to feel disgruntled.

[Tomorrow]

I know all I need to know about Morrissey, which is his music, I do not know much about the man behind the music, because I have never been interested in Morrissey as a person, I have always been more interested in Johnny Marr. Morrissey is an ordinary person, I find it laughable how idiots like you seem to think he is something he's not. Dagenham Dave was written for idiotic fans like yourself, I dread to think what you're going to be like when Morrissey dies. Go ahead, sit there and jack off over your outstanding knowledge on what colour Morrissey's underwear is, I am not interested, I don't claim to know everything as I do not, you however do and I took you down faster than US friendly fire in Iraq.

[nightandday]

[B]I know all I need to know about Morrissey, which is his music, I do not know much about the man behind the music, because I have never been interested in Morrissey as a person, I have always been more interested in Johnny Marr. blah blah blah moronic insults blah blah blah moronic insults

In the little time you've spent on this board, you haven't said absolutely nothing about his music. The only things you have been blabbering about are Morrissey's personality, things he says in public, and his designer suits. :rolleyes:

Oh, yes, and you asked Danny what size Morrissey's dick was. :rolleyes: Wait, that was supposed to be ironic? Unlike you, Danny has never expressed the slightest interest in finding out about such things. As far as I could see, you seemed to be the one who would be interested in that information.

[duchess_of_fork]

He throws away a few shirts, big deal, neither myself or you know the reasons why Morrissey doesn't dance about and move about on stage

Because, people change. I don't think it's age. Last time I've seen Billy Idol 2 years ago, he was jumping and hopping and dancing and he's way older than Morrissey. I just think the style that Morrissey is interested in now, is just more static, and focuses on vocals rather than dancing. I think you should go to see ballet if you're interested in seeing good dancing. Morrissey isn't Isadora Duncan (though I know he secretly wishes..)...you know...

...Morrissey has realized that in ordert to age gracefully, he should get style, class and well...grace! The most ridiculous thing indeed are artists like Mr.Jagger who just don't know when to stop. It shows lack of variation if one just sticks to doing what made them famous. I'm actually quite happy Morrissey decided to change and explore different ways of performing. It's a good indication of how versatile he is.

For fucks sake, are you going to say that Frank Sinatra didn't shake his buttocks on stage because he was too tidy? Of course not. Wouldn't you feel like you're sort of repeating yourself if you did the SAME stage performance for 20+ years? Being stale isn't fun.

[sonof77]

Morrissey calming down? I don't get it. He's always appeared to me completeley in control of his thoughts, feelings and opinions. If you mean his antics on stage, well that's just age, he is not the lithe flower of his youth, now more robust he still as that same control of the stage. Perhaps some of his more political comments can seem off the cuff and frivolous but I reckon he'll go to his grave still renouncing the Royal family, Thatcher, Bush, Reagan, Blair, the music industry and the Geldof do gooders that reduce our human instinct to that of the weepy T.V. movie for the day, into the laughter of Comic relief