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lztom
December 8, 2006, 08:38 PM
So, Julia clearly has an obvious claim to being the world's biggest Morrissey fan. Let's look at the key facts:

i) She goes to EVERY Morrissey show worldwide.

ii) She gets mentioned frequently by Morrissey himself at concerts and has even been immortalised on WPTMIM (intro before No One Can Hold A Candle To You). She also gets to speak at concerts on occasion.

iii) She runs the official Morrissey website

Now, I realise no one can challenge so she has to be number one but are there any other Morrissey fans around who could even get close to challenging her? What I mean is, is there for example any fan that is well known for following an entire leg of the tour or something like that (as opposed to following him around the world like Julia)?

Although I'm a big Morrissey fan, I'm happy to be comparatively casual compared to Julia, just buying all the singles and albums that come round and going to watch him when he plays in Manchester.

So basically, that's my question- who could lay claim to being the world's second biggest Morrissey fan?

kill_uncle
December 8, 2006, 08:49 PM
i wouldnt say that she is any bigger of a fan then anyone else.

anyone who has the free time and the money that julia has,would do the same.

virtually dead
December 8, 2006, 08:51 PM
And her friend has the most irritating accent in the world, she was queing beside me and I was contemplating smashing her face in with the complete works of shakespeare...purely on that basis:D

kill_uncle
December 8, 2006, 08:56 PM
And her friend has the most irritating accent in the world, she was queing beside me and I was contemplating smashing her face in with the complete works of shakespeare...purely on that basis:D


Too funny.

i almost choked on my food.

nightandday
December 8, 2006, 08:57 PM
i wouldnt say that she is any bigger of a fan then anyone else.

anyone who has the free time and the money that julia has,would do the same.
I beg to differ. As much as I love Morrissey, there are other things to do in life rather than see every single one of his concerts. There are other concerts to visit, films/plays to see, parties to attend, things to watch on TV, evenings you just want to spend with mates, on a date, or just by yourself reading a book, etc. Besides, if you went to every single one of his gigs, it wouldn't be so special after a while, it would be another everyday thing.

virtually dead
December 8, 2006, 08:57 PM
Too funny.

i almost choked on my food.

:eek: I really should apologise!

Sonar
December 8, 2006, 09:02 PM
i wouldnt say that she is any bigger of a fan then anyone else.

anyone who has the free time and the money that julia has,would do the same.

Errm, NO! It's fine with me that she does what she does but I would never do that. I would feel like a stalker (not saying that Julia is one)... and beyond that I wouldn't feel comfortable if I had to look back on my life and quite everything was closely linked to the life of, well: a stranger. I mean: I am me. I want to be proud of something (whatever that something may be) that's got nothing to do with anybody else but me.

kill_uncle
December 8, 2006, 09:05 PM
I beg to differ. As much as I love Morrissey, there are other things to do in life rather than see every single one of his concerts. There are other concerts to visit, films/plays to see, parties to attend, things to watch on TV, evenings you just want to spend with mates, on a date, or just by yourself reading a book, etc. Besides, if you went to every single one of his gigs, it wouldn't be so special after a while, it would be another everyday thing.


i know what you mean,but just because she has the time and money, follows him around the world,doesnt make her the biggest fan.it just means that this is all she chooses to do with her time and money.

if someone isnt able,or just doesnt want to follow him around because they want to do other things with their time,doesnt make them less of a fan.

Worm
December 8, 2006, 09:13 PM
What, are you kidding me? If you want to know who the second biggest Morrissey fan is, it's Julia. Julia is #2.

Lt. Dangle is #1, by a landslide.

http://www.morrissey-solo.com/article.pl?sid=05/06/16/072259&tid=1

Piazza Cavour
December 8, 2006, 09:15 PM
Is she the biggest Moz fan, I don't know, who cares, what a sad title to aspire to. Like some one previously said, as much as we all love moz, there is more to life than than going to every concert. Quite frankly whats the point? I have done it before, followed the whole tour and all that happens is it just becomes a blur, you get fed up, exhausted, you can't appreciate individual shows.

Anyway, I know people who have been going to his shows since his solo career started and met people ho were fortunate enough to see the smiths.

I get sick of the site of her pushing in at the front of the queue all the time and moz name checking her at concerts.

!Viva Hate!
December 8, 2006, 09:26 PM
Bill Oddie is the biggest Morrissey fan...fo sho...

lilikoi
December 8, 2006, 11:02 PM
anyone who has the free time and the money that julia has,would do the same.

no way! I'd get bored shitless. I think she needs a shrink, to be honest.

virtually dead
December 8, 2006, 11:06 PM
no way! I'd get bored shitless. I think she needs a shrink, to be honest.

And her friend needs a voice coach! :D
My elbows are so itchy!! :mad:

kill_uncle
December 8, 2006, 11:34 PM
no way! I'd get bored shitless. I think she needs a shrink, to be honest.


neither would i want to go to every show.

what i meant is,if everyone WANTED to do what julia is doing and follow him around the world,couldnt.the free time and money to do this isnt even an option.

A LOT of free time and A LOT of money,doesnt make someone the #1 fan.

Wether most of us want to or not,couldnt.

Busy Clippers
December 9, 2006, 12:01 AM
I'm fan number 457

DeliciousDemon
December 9, 2006, 12:32 AM
Everyone is a number one fan in their own right. Some people follow him on tours, some people know every single available fact about him, some collect every release and bootleg there is to find, some just like him and his music, some are all of the above ... it's unfair to rate people in that way so I really wouldn't know who comes second to Julia (and if she's first to start from).

I just think people are being too hard on her, after all, if she can afford it and if Moz thinks she's attention worthy - who's anybody to judge? If I had the money or the time, maybe I would follow one tour - just for kicks - travel to different countries, meet different people, enjoy different settings, why not? I'm sure it wouldn't be a complete waste of time and it would certainly beat going to work n' watching telly every day (signed and sealed). People call her pathetic but think twice - while you're sitting here discussing Morrissey she's out there going different places every day with Morrissey. So, I say, if I had to pick, I wouldn't mind being in her shoes for some time. I wouldn't do it for years but thumbs up for her persistance. Out of all the strange hobbies and lifestyles I know of, this one really isn't half that bad. It certainly tops my thing with collecting different city guides :eek:

Please
December 9, 2006, 12:47 AM
To tell you the truth, even if you don;t want to hear my truth, I don;t like fandom at all.

Fans who get jealous of other fans

Fans who seem to think they can regulate who is a fan

Fans that shout out nonesense at concerts, simply because they go to alot of gigs so they think they should get 2 pence worth in while they can

Its all very tacky really, i would'nt want to go to any more gigs than i have this year. I don;t think i would appreciate it too much and i would end up getting far to caught up in set lists etc.

Just my view on things at the moment, it will probably change in the morning. Or maybe i'll wake up tonight in a cold sweat, at the realisation that maybe i am a fan that is in the closet myself waiting to burst in to flame and record every short colour ever worn by Morrissey!

Please
December 9, 2006, 12:49 AM
Everyone is a number one fan in their own right. Some people follow him on tours, some people know every single available fact about him, some collect every release and bootleg there is to find, some just like him and his music, some are all of the above ... it's unfair to rate people in that way so I really wouldn't know who comes second to Julia (and if she's first to start from).

I just think people are being too hard on her, after all, if she can afford it and if Moz thinks she's attention worthy - who's anybody to judge? If I had the money or the time, maybe I would follow one tour - just for kicks - travel to different countries, meet different people, enjoy different settings, why not? I'm sure it wouldn't be a complete waste of time and it would certainly beat going to work n' watching telly every day (signed and sealed). People call her pathetic but think twice - while you're sitting here discussing Morrissey she's out there going different places every day with Morrissey. So, I say, if I had to pick, I wouldn't mind being in her shoes for some time. I wouldn't do it for years but thumbs up for her persistance. Out of all the strange hobbies and lifestyles I know of, this one really isn't half that bad. It certainly tops my thing with collecting different city guides :eek:

and yet i agree with you....

lilikoi
December 9, 2006, 08:23 AM
I just think people are being too hard on her, after all, if she can afford it and if Moz thinks she's attention worthy - who's anybody to judge? If I had the money or the time, maybe I would follow one tour - just for kicks - travel to different countries, meet different people, enjoy different settings, why not?

but don't you think she has a psychological disorder? I don't know how many years she's been following him around but she's suffering from obsessive behaviour.
of course 'there is no such thing as normal' but I doubt that what she's doing is good for her and her life.

Kewpie
December 9, 2006, 08:54 AM
but don't you think she has a psychological disorder? I don't know how many years she's been following him around but she's suffering from obsessive behaviour.
of course 'there is no such thing as normal' but I doubt that what she's doing is good for her and her life.

As long as Julia doesn't cause any trouble to anyone, it's none of our business. Leave her alone.

andy_fozzy
December 9, 2006, 09:37 AM
I say good luck to her.

She's doing what she likes doing, so fair play.
I'd see him more if I had the time and money.
Doesn't make me love him any less, or more.

lilikoi
December 9, 2006, 09:57 AM
As long as Julia doesn't cause any trouble to anyone, it's none of our business. Leave her alone.

Well, I didn't start this thread. I certainly don't mind her. The only thing I'm jealous about is that she always seems to get into the front row. I can't do that - I have claustrophobia - but god how I'd like to.... DAMN.

King Leer
December 9, 2006, 10:15 AM
I was pretty impressed to see Julia in the front row at Summer Sonic 2002 in Tokyo (technically Chiba...) Long flight.

Even if we did have unlimited funds and time, many of us still wouldn't see every show -- it would become a chore, wouldn't it? Though I'd definitely try to catch key shows in different parts of the world.

What I've wondered is if she gets a heads up before everyone else when a show is going to be cancelled.

sonof77
December 9, 2006, 12:28 PM
I doubt it's that sane or good for you to be so envious of Julia, she must be loaded, good on her I say

chelsea_steve
December 9, 2006, 12:37 PM
I guess Julia's devotion is admirable, & if that's what makes her truly happy - & it obviously is - then great! I just wonder what will happen when Mozzer finally calls it a day. Julia will have to find a life! Not being nasty, but surely this obsession she has with attending every show must consume every waking hour.

However, I do think most of the negativity towards her is sparked by envy, as she obviously has access to Morrissey.

Christine
December 9, 2006, 01:58 PM
but don't you think she has a psychological disorder? I don't know how many years she's been following him around but she's suffering from obsessive behaviour.
of course 'there is no such thing as normal' but I doubt that what she's doing is good for her and her life.

I love the way this thread started with 'isn't she amazing!' to oh gosh she needs help, get the woman a therapist!! :D

I have no problem with her, it's her life and I wouldn't really want it but that's her choice. The only thing that annoys me (and this is Moz's fault not hers) is his constent name checking of her at concerts. I mean a lot of time it's like in jokes and he's just addressing her which isn't really fair

lightupvirginmary
December 9, 2006, 11:10 PM
I love the way this thread started with 'isn't she amazing!' to oh gosh she needs help, get the woman a therapist!! :D

I have no problem with her, it's her life and I wouldn't really want it but that's her choice. The only thing that annoys me (and this is Moz's fault not hers) is his constent name checking of her at concerts. I mean a lot of time it's like in jokes and he's just addressing her which isn't really fair

I think it's quite cool he appreciates her devotion, really.
I think he really does respect all of us fans and he knows how it is to care passionately about something, therefore he can relate to Julia.

lilybett
December 9, 2006, 11:22 PM
I don't hate Julia - I've never met her! But the pantomine villain-style booing amuses me. And I doubt she cares what we plebs think of her. I mean, she gets to hang round with Morrissey innit

But I am really curious as to who she is! I mean, she is obviously loaded - she goes to all these gigs and she first got his attention by giving him a Wilde first edition or something. But she obviously doesn't have a job, because the way she goes to eeeverything is like a full-time occupation. So is she a toff? In which case, shouldn't Morrissey loathe her?! I mean, if the queen sent him an extravagant pressie like that, I somehow really couldn't see him name-checking Lizzie at gigs. I mean he's maybe mellowed a bit in his dotage, but :confused:

nightandday
December 9, 2006, 11:34 PM
I don't hate Julia - I've never met her! But the pantomine villain-style booing amuses me. And I doubt she cares what we plebs think of her. I mean, she gets to hang round with Morrissey innit

But I am really curious as to who she is! I mean, she is obviously loaded - she goes to all these gigs and she first got his attention by giving him a Wilde first edition or something. But she obviously doesn't have a job, because the way she goes to eeeverything is like a full-time occupation. So is she a toff? In which case, shouldn't Morrissey loathe her?! I mean, if the queen sent him an extravagant pressie like that, I somehow really couldn't see him name-checking Lizzie at gigs. I mean he's maybe mellowed a bit in his dotage, but :confused:
But Morrissey obviously loves to be loved. If Lizzie came out as a Morrissey fan, he wouldn't dote on her, but he might stop dissing her. Remember what he used to say about Elton John, and then he changed his mind about him and invited him to do a Jobriath hommage at Meltdown - just because Elton said something nice about him in the meantime! In his own words: "He said nice things about me, and then I felt like a fool. Bigmouth strikes again..." On the other hand, he used to champion Suede in their early days, until Brett Anderson said something that offended him personally. He returns insult with insult and kindness with kindness. It's perfectly understandable, isn't it? It's also understandable that he would appreciate someone's obvious devotion, and do something to acknowledge it.

Kewpie
December 9, 2006, 11:57 PM
But Morrissey obviously loves to be loved. If Lizzie came out as a Morrissey fan, he wouldn't dote on her, but he might stop dissing her. Remember what he used to say about Elton John, and then he changed his mind about him and invited him to do a Jobriath hommage at Meltdown - just because Elton said something nice about him in the meantime! In his own words: "He said nice things about me, and then I felt like a fool. Bigmouth strikes again..." On the other hand, he used to champion Suede in their early days, until Brett Anderson said something that offended him personally. He returns insult with insult and kindness with kindness. It's perfectly understandable, isn't it? It's also understandable that he would appreciate someone's obvious devotion, and do something to acknowledge it.

I remember Danny (sorry if it's someone else) pointed out in Kate Bush and Morrissey thread Morrissey doesn't like posh people which was possibly part of the reasons made him dislike about her.
Even The Queen came out as his fan he won't stop having a go at the Monarchy.
I may be wrong, but Elton also has working class background?
Incidentally, Morrissey said in an interview that his mother slapped him after discovering about The Queen Is Dead...

duchess_of_fork
December 10, 2006, 12:08 AM
She must feel terribly accomplished to become so closely associated with her (I assume) favorite artist. And maybe that was her goal in life...however...man...what is she going to do after the tour is over? Camp outside his house???? she's probably going to face some serious identity crisis when there's no one to follow! and I truly feel bad about that...

nightandday
December 10, 2006, 12:09 AM
I remember Danny (sorry if it's someone else) pointed out in Kate Bush and Morrissey thread Morrissey doesn't like posh people which was possibly part of the reasons made him dislike about her.
Even The Queen came out as his fan he won't stop having a go at the Monarchy.
I may be wrong, but Elton also has working class background?
Incidentally, Morrissey said in an interview that his mother slapped him after discovering about The Queen Is Dead...
That may have been said tongue-in-cheek, though.

I don't think he would change his opinion about the Monarchy. But he might be less inclined to say offensive things about her. Actually, he's acknowledged once in an interview that his verbal attacks aren't really against her personally, as the Queen herself isn't guilty of being born into the Royal family, but against what she represents. I've never thought that he actually had anything personal against her or Prince Charles, I realize that he just hates what those people stand for. It would be wrong if it were otherwise, wouldn't it? Posh people are no more guilty of being born into a posh family, than poor people are for being born into a poor family.

I remember Danny's theory, but I'm more inclined to believe in the theory (I don't remember who said it) that Morrissey exaggerated his dislike for Kate Bush because she was popular and, you might, say, mainstream at the time. And it is, after all, just as letter he wrote as a 21 year old. We don't even know what he thinks of her now.

j funk
December 10, 2006, 12:28 AM
but don't you think she has a psychological disorder? I don't know how many years she's been following him around but she's suffering from obsessive behaviour.
of course 'there is no such thing as normal' but I doubt that what she's doing is good for her and her life.

I'd say a lot of people that admire him arent quite right in the head in some way, and that's not a slur. It's just a personality thing. Of course I'm not saying everyone is a manic depressive though.

drowning girl
January 1, 2007, 06:36 PM
I am not sure who is the one and only number one Morrissey fan in the world. But doesnīt David qualify for at least one of the few so-called number one fans?
David spends a lot of his valuable time with working on morrissey-solo to make it a virtual home we feel welcome to. He brings us the latest news and gossip, he is only reporting and never judging. He made it possible that so many Morrissey fans are able to be in contact with eath other.
And letīs be honest, for most of us solo-members, David is a VIP!

Oh and by the way, Julia is not the only person having published Morrissey fanzines...there are a few more people who do/did this, like...amongst other true fans...David.

I donīt envy Julia for anything. If she is happy with her life then good for her! She has the money and therefore the chance to see Morrissey performing live whenever and as long as she wants to. She travels through the whole world and is always close to Moz. If following Morrissey is her one and only reason for living then she probably lives her dream.

I just wanted to say, donīt forget David when it comes to making a list of the biggest fans...

lovemorrissey
January 1, 2007, 06:47 PM
I dont think anyone should have the title "the number one moz fan". There are plenty of people who maybe only go to a couple of gigs a year because of time and money but yet still like Morrissey as much as the people who go to every gig.

As far as websites are concerned this one is much better than true to you. Soz Julia.

Spicer
January 1, 2007, 08:02 PM
Fans who get jealous of other fans

Fans who seem to think they can regulate who is a fan

Fans that shout out nonesense at concerts, simply because they go to alot of gigs so they think they should get 2 pence worth in while they can


These are all excellent points.

The jealousy thing is something in particular that strikes me as very odd. I've seen people get jealous of other fans who have met Morrissey. Jealous, and competitive of the number of t-shirts/bootlegs/copies of singles/whatever other people own. Jealous of a tenuous "friendship" someone may or may not have with roadies/band members.

I think part of it boils down to the lyrics. Personally, I think a fair share of us have experienced the "Morrissey understands me and nobody else does" phenomenon, and perhaps that makes us think that we have a special right to catch that shirt when it's flung into the audience, or whatever.

When we meet dozens of people who have also experienced those feelings, we get a bit taken aback - we realize that we're not as special as we thought we were - and the retaliation comes out in a form of bitter, twisted jealous one-up-manship.

(Gosh, that sounds a bit pompous of me now that I've written it all out).

Of course I wouldn't say that this relates solely to Morrissey fans - I know some Manics fans who have the same sort of characteristics, for example! Sports fans too, I daresay have a similiar passion, but at least ours doesn't prompt us to paint flags on our faces and wear silly hats ;)

As for Julia, she is doing something that she enjoys, and she is not arrogant, pompous or show-offy about it. She's never used her website to publish name-droppy blogs about Morrissey, for example, which is something she could easily do. I find that rather refreshing to see actually. In a nutshell, I feel that it's not for me to question how she can afford to go to concerts, just the same as it's not her place to question how I can do A, B, or C in my own life. More power to her!

The Crime Of The Century!
January 1, 2007, 10:31 PM
I think Julia is a consumate attention-seeker who should be pitied. She lives her entire life for a person who will never see her as an equal, let alone as a friend. There is no way I would go and see every Morrissey concert he did in a year, purely because there could be nothing to gain from seeing the same repertoire with minor variations time and time again. I would tire of it very quickly, as would anyone else with any degree of intelligence.

Her pursuit, though harmless, is obsessive and fruitless. She is in no way superior to me, or any other Morrissey fan from the casual to the long-term. I am sick to death of hearing people give her some sort of star status. Is it too much to ask for someone to live their own life instead of parastically trying to feed off the glory of others?

Kickstand
January 1, 2007, 10:40 PM
I think Julia is a consumate attention-seeker who should be pitied. She lives her entire life for a person who will never see her as an equal, let alone as a friend. There is no way I would go and see every Morrissey concert he did in a year, purely because there could be nothing to gain from seeing the same repertoire with minor variations time and time again. I would tire of it very quickly, as would anyone else with any degree of intelligence.

Her pursuit, though harmless, is obsessive and fruitless. She is in no way superior to me, or any other Morrissey fan from the casual to the long-term. I am sick to death of hearing people give her some sort of star status. Is it too much to ask for someone to live their own life instead of parastically trying to feed off the glory of others?


*Bowes down to greatness*

I agree, but this Julia looks like a person with a story to tell.

imogen11
January 2, 2007, 12:18 AM
I don't feel any malice towards her - that would be ridiculous: she can do what she likes, more power to her.
BUT I do think it is WEIRD.
And I do think Morrissey is WEIRD for namechecking her, etc at every concert.

It's just..odd. And old.

Lor
January 2, 2007, 01:05 AM
People who go to enough shows to get really annoyed at him namechecking her are also guilty of the same sort of obsession ;)

And anyway, has anyone else been to all of his shows? If you constantly saw the same person year after year wouldn't you take note? :rolleyes:

Rupert
January 2, 2007, 01:17 AM
I find it quite amusing that Morrissey has taken to this Julia (I can't help but laugh whenever I hear Moz mention her when I listen to the bootlegs) - but good luck to her. If I was in her postion i'd be beside myself! But that doesn't make her anymore or any less a fan than the rest of us. Going to 'every' Morrissey show doesn't mean you're this rather odd postion of 'number one fan', it just means you have the time and money. Anyway, I find that Morrissey and his art (and my love of him/it) is very personal to me and that's enough for me. I'd consider myself a die-hard fan but I don't preach/pretend to be something that really has no meaning. Afterall, we're all in the same boat, and I'm just pleased to be able to share that love on this forum and with the people I meet at the shows. End of rant. Haha. :D

imogen11
January 2, 2007, 01:20 AM
People who go to enough shows to get really annoyed at him namechecking her are also guilty of the same sort of obsession ;)

And anyway, has anyone else been to all of his shows? If you constantly saw the same person year after year wouldn't you take note? :rolleyes:

I'm not really annoyed. Not at all. I just think it's odd.

Oh my god, it's Robby!
January 2, 2007, 03:10 AM
Are stalkers ranked as well?

Lor
January 2, 2007, 12:28 PM
I'm not really annoyed. Not at all. I just think it's odd.

I didn't mean you ;)
Just a sort of general observation from what I see on these forums...

duchess_of_fork
January 2, 2007, 02:57 PM
Are stalkers ranked as well?

i'd be embarrassed to be a Morrissey stalker...I respect him too much and would never like for him to see me in that light! but then again..i don't think that any stalkers are particularilly thrilled about their obsessive behaviours either....

CeciDeMorrissey
January 2, 2007, 03:21 PM
I've always said that her only advantage is to have all the free time and money in the world... I agree with many opinions above, and I just think that it's too easy to do what she does when one has tons of money and free time, and no need to have a job or pay attention to kids or a family... She's just lucky to have been born or become filthy rich and there's no merit in just being lucky, at all...

I read somewhere above that she caught his attention by giving him a Wilde's first edition... Well... That means "she gets rotten in money" (as we say in Spanish) because a book like that, that ancient, of course must cost a helluva lot of money, so... It's very easy to impress anyone with unlimited financial resources, don't you think so?

What makes me mad and sad it's Morrissey making her "the number 1 fan", giving her the scoop of every step in his career to be published in the lousiest fan site, and the namechecking is just annoying, as if the rest of us didn't exist, and it makes me sad that Morrissey just turns a blind eye at the fact that if she does everything she does is just because she's wealthy and that's it... I mean... Doesn't he realize that to do that's so easy for her?.. Why doesn't he give the same value to the rest of his fans who are poor or have limited resources and are maybe even more loyal and caring than her...

She's not more than any of us, the only difference is that she has all the money we all together don't have, to demostrate her obsession and "love" for Morrissey, and pity he doesn't care or realize about it...

I mean if we all could publish fanzines or give him crazy expensive gifts, we would all catch his attention...

I didn't know about the Wilde 1st edition gift and having that piece of information makes me think that it seems the only way to be valued or considered by Morrissey as his true fans is to approach him with luxurious gifts and expensive ways to show him affection, like dedicating our whole lives to follow him around the world. :(

Danny
January 2, 2007, 03:36 PM
When has Morrissey ever called her his number one fan?

I'm sure you lot love to make up stuff you can get angry about. :p

Paulc
January 2, 2007, 03:36 PM
Everybody's got to live their life
And God knows I've got to live mine

I think that includes Julia

Brisbane
January 2, 2007, 03:40 PM
I followed the Bowie 2003 tour thru most of Europe and had a blast. Met alot of fans from all walks, saw some wonderful shows and cities and most of all I travelled which is what we should all do more of.

Bowie has a fan like Julia who has seen over 120 concerts in the past 10 years or so. She has the money and time which is good for her but she doesn't collect 7" records, bootlegs or much else. I know some Bowie fans who have followed him since the Manish Boys days and have only seen him live maybe 12 times. I would rate thier devotion and fandom high but at the end of the day we can't really try and pigeon hole fans into slots on a list.

I met Julia in Sydney back in 2002. She seemed very up front, friendly and caring. We had a cool time the day after the show just hanging around Kings Cross and the city talking, walking and reminding ourselves of the show from the night before.

If I had the moeny I would see Morrissey as many times as I could. that would never make me even close to the number one fan because really there is no number one fan.

I think we should respect her for being cool about it all and not blowingher trumpet at every chance like I have seen with some full on Bowie fans.

Best of luck to you Julia :)

duchess_of_fork
January 2, 2007, 04:06 PM
Why doesn't he give the same value to the rest of his fans who are poor or have limited resources and are maybe even more loyal and caring than her...


probably because more of his fans are poor than not. actually, i think i can saftley say that 80% + of his fans are not of Julia's wealth. it would be much more difficult for him to find something interesting about various fans...and i can see how that oscar wilde first edition would have caught his attention.

...but at the same time, Morrissey wasn't that wealthy when he waited for his favorite bands outside the venues when he wasn't famous...and I'm sure he didn't get the Sparks first edition books to catch their eye.

i think in the end, we really can't judge too much because we neither know the reasons why julia does the things she does, or why morrissey likes her as much as he does. and in the end, we really shouldn't care (although that's difficult, morrissey has a very important place in all of our lives, and it's so natural to care)...all we can do is speculate and speculate...

...that's the end of my rant. i'm lost and confused...

CeciDeMorrissey
January 2, 2007, 04:07 PM
When has Morrissey ever called her his number one fan?

I'm sure you lot love to make up stuff you can get angry about. :p

Nobody's making up anything... I think he doesn't need to call her literally, but if he always name check her, includes her in the "those without whom" list in his albums and gives her the scoop to publish it exclusively before anyone in TTY, that's obviously a sort of VIP treatment that anybody else as a fan receives, so doing that he makes her tacitly, if not his #1 fan, at least the most special to him. I think that's undeniable.

CeciDeMorrissey
January 2, 2007, 04:27 PM
Have you noticed the 'I Like You' lyrics? A friend of mine here, fellow Morrissey fan, thinks as well as I do, that that song was written thinking of Julia... It all fits... And it doesn't really talks about a romantic crush or relationship.

Read it and think of it, especially the part of: "You're not right in the head, and nor am I"... I insist, it all fits... It's of course speculation, but this is a funny one. Isn't it?

Danny
January 2, 2007, 05:22 PM
Have you ever thought the reason why Morrissey namechecks her is because he sees all the bitter, envious comments on here and doesn't like them too much?

He enjoys winding you up because he doesn't think you are very nice people.

He doesn't like all his fans. He's said it before. He despised the ones that used to go to his house and ring on his doorbell all day.

He probably feels the same about the nasty comments on here about Julia.

duchess_of_fork
January 2, 2007, 05:23 PM
He enjoys winding you up because he doesn't think you are very nice people.



"you" are very nice people?
sorry amigo, you're on this website too...so better make that "you" into a "we".

Danny
January 2, 2007, 05:25 PM
"you" are very nice people?
sorry amigo, you're on this website too...so better make that "you" into a "we".

Well if you can find a post where I've moaned about Morrissey saying hello to Julia you can include me in the "we".

Brisbane
January 2, 2007, 05:34 PM
I think Julia could be doing worse things like following Avril Lavinge or Bon jovi on tour. Then I would consider her having problems ;)

Let us be thankful we have artists like Morrissey to get excited about. And I consider it this way. Julia is just doing world travel and throwing in some concerts on top :)

anotherordinaryboy
January 2, 2007, 09:09 PM
i think it depends on your view of what makes you 'his biggest fan'. i've only known who morrissey is and been a fan for just under three years, only seen him live 8 times, and only have all his albums, single collection box sets, 25 vinyls, a signed lyric sheet and a piece of pink shirt from the Gmex. i know there are hundreds of fans who collect more, go to more gigs and spend more time on this and other moz related sites.

however, i would say that i'm as big a morrissey fan as anyone else. i love him, he inspires me, and nothing would ever change that. yeah, i have more of my own life than i would presume a fan like julia has, but that doesn't mean she is a bigger or better fan than me, does it?

crackersoup
January 2, 2007, 10:56 PM
Too funny.

i almost choked on my food.

i did choke on my food.

Stanley
January 2, 2007, 11:22 PM
What's the prize for being the numero uno fan?! A tacky badge perhaps?

I've nothing against this Julia person but doesn't she get bored with following him? I've seen him play 15 times over the past 12 years and to be honest I've got it our of my system. Definately too much of a good thing. Didn't the morrisseytour.com girls get a bit disillusioned after a couple of tours (excellant website by the way and was a fascinating read)?

It would be interesting to interview or so a documentary of Julia as no doubt she would have a few interesting tales to tell.

mbb321
January 3, 2007, 12:13 AM
Being a vain bastard, i think i should be up there for my theatricals at certain Morrissey events, loud suits and general alcohol capacity. I am sure The Goat, Uncleskinny, mspendl828 and Uncle Liam, all worthy candidates on the Mancunian Morrissey Fan Pedistal will adhere to this.

Reg Varney

imogen11
January 3, 2007, 02:17 AM
Hey Brisbane! Another Australian here, I'm from Melbourne :)

Just curious, was Bowie having conversations with this fan during his shows?? That's the part I find odd, Julia can do whatever she wants, it's just the name checking and conversations from Morrissey that I find..weird.

Interesting to read what some wrote about the Oscar Wilde first edition..I never knew she gave him one.

Brisbane
January 3, 2007, 07:04 AM
Hey Brisbane! Another Australian here, I'm from Melbourne :)

Just curious, was Bowie having conversations with this fan during his shows?? That's the part I find odd, Julia can do whatever she wants, it's just the name checking and conversations from Morrissey that I find..weird.

I have been at 3 Bowie shows where he has name dropped her...one was her birthday. She is also disliked by alot of Bowie fans but she works hard to follow his shows and does alot to help other fans.

So how many Skips are here on these boards?

lux girl
January 3, 2007, 02:54 PM
Much and all as I love ( adore ) Morrissey. I do have a real life. One that involves family, friends, work, other music, other bands, other artistic pursuits.

If this is what Julia chooses to do with her life, well good for her. We can't all be the same and aspire to the same things, what a boring world it would be.
However if I had all her money, I would more than likely go to more Moz gigs, but not so many that I messed up on my real life!

imogen11
January 4, 2007, 01:30 AM
So how many Skips are here on these boards?

No others that I am aware of at the moment..

:)