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I know it gets confusing when you hear nutters talking about their favorite domestic terrorist groups. Animal Liberation Front, Justice Department, Animal Rights Militia - what do they all mean?

Fortunately, with an internet connection one can delve into these scummy groups of cultists and zealots and see what's what.

It seems none of these are really "groups" in the way we might think. Since they are domestic terrorist organizations, they have to set themselves up very carefully.

When someone decides to take action, they choose a specific label under which they took the action based on the nature of their action. This way, for example, the ALF can claim they are not trying to hurt anybody, because the more violent actions are being done by the ARM. In other words, if your action does not involve intentionally harming others, you label it an "ALF action." If the nature of your action involves violence where you either disregard the safety of others, or intentionally attack others, then you choose a label like "Animal Rights Militia" for your action.

This is from the horse's mouth, the United Kingdom's ALF press officer Robin Webb, from a web site called (appropriatey for such zealots) No Compromise.

It seems there was some confusion from someone in a previous thread. Although I had linked to a BBC article that discussed mail bombs, fire bombs, arson, death threats, and other barbarian acts, the person wanted to pretend that Morrissey was really talking actions of a more non-violent nature, even though Morrissey's own words made it clear he was talking about violence.

To the extent there was still any doubt, I'm sorry to report the truth. When Morrissey told his fan that he should emulate the Animal Rights Militia, he was specifically talking about violent actions which deregard the safety of people. That is the definition of an ARM action. According to the ALF's spokesperson, it's what distinguishes actions taken under the label "Animal Rights Militia" from actions taken under the label "Animal Liberation Front."

From the horse's mouth, the key being the very last sentence:

http://www.nocompromise.org/issues/22robin.html
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NC: How would you deal with someone who says they want to “join” the A.L.F.?

It may be reasonably argued that one is only a member of the A.L.F. whilst actually undertaking an A.L.F. action. There is no membership list of elite compassionate commandos.

The A.L.F. has had, and retains, an unchanging triad of policies. One, to rescue individual animals from suffering or potential suffering then place them in good, permanent homes or, where appropriate, release them into their natural environment.

Two, to damage or destroy property and equipment associated with animal abuse. That has a dual effect. It takes that property out of the arena of animal abuse, so that it can no longer be used to cause harm. Also, it compounds the economic loss by increasing insurance premiums and security costs not just for the company or institution attacked, but also across that whole discipline of exploitation. The simple intention is to price them out of business.

The third policy is to take every reasonable precaution not to harm or endanger life, either human or non-human.

Anyone, so long as they follow at least a vegetarian—but preferably vegan—lifestyle, can go out and undertake an action that falls within those policies and claim it as the Animal Liberation Front. There is no hierarchy; there are no leaders. There is just a compulsion to follow your heart in pursuit of justice. That is why the A.L.F. cannot be smashed, it cannot be effectively infiltrated, it cannot be stopped. You, each and every one of you: you are the A.L.F.

And if someone wishes to act as the Animal Rights Militia or the Justice Department? Simply put, the third policy of the A.L.F. no longer applies.

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So, an action taken under the label "Animal Rights Militia" is one where the third policy does not apply, and the third policy is taking "reasonable precautions not to harm or endanger life, either human or non-human."

(When I read this bit about precautions not to harm NON-human life, a little light bulb went off in my head. When you commit arson, of course the fire will inevitably kill animals, such as lil birdies and lil mousies.)
 
The question put to Morrissey was:
"Q13: WHAT WOULD BE YOUR MESSAGE TO THE WORLD TO MAKE LIFE BETTER FOR ANIMALS ON OUR PLANET?"

Morrissey chose to tell his fan to be like the Animal Rights Militia in Englan, which is a label specifically for violent actions taken that disregard harm to others, or intentionally harm others.

Morrissey says they are "usually very intelligent people who are forced to act because the law is shameful or amoral."

Are they intelligent people?

Here is a person who acted under the ARM influence who was actually determined to be a mentally ill schyzophrenic.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,556150,00.html

The mentally ill can be intelligent, but I tend to think it was the mental illness under the influence of those promoting the ARM that caused him to act.

The consequences included a woman losing her eye and the injury of a little girl.

For 3 months this mentally sick person sent letter bombs in the name of animal rights.

The judge declared: "You conducted a dreadful campaign sending nail bombs through the post, putting people at risk and causing, in the case of one lady, the most dreadful injury, blinding her in one eye. In my view, this was pure evil."

I found this part chilling:
"The youngest victim was Leah Cain, six, who opened a package addressed to her father Michael, a pest control officer, at their home in Church Lawton, Cheshire, last New Year's Eve. It was packed with ball bearings and springs and Leah dropped the parcel before it exploded, causing superficial leg and feet injuries.... The court was told that the family now felt unsafe in their own home. Leah has changed from an outgoing girl to a timid child who often cries when she is left at school."

Pure evil, indeed. But what do you expect when you promote terrorism? I know a certain pop singer wants to be "controversial" and "Edgy" to sell records, but look what he's encouraging. It's a fact that mental illness is high amongst True-To-You's readership, and I wouldn't be surprised if the next schyzophrenic who ruins his life and terrorizes others first got the idea in order to impress his favorite singer.

"Jonathan Davies opened an envelope packed with nails, labelled ARM (animal rights militia), which exploded while the shop was full of customers. In January, a bomb was sent to a pet and reptile centre in Coventry, also labelled ARM. The device failed to detonate."

Very intelligent person? You be the judge.

Spare me the singer's bullshit about my country's war against terrorism, thank you very much.
 
The said story of Bill Rodgers, a cultist who ended up killing himself

I noticed on these lunatic web sites - No Compromise - that they offer words of sympathy to the terrorist, Bill Rodgers, who recently committed suicide in jail.

The Seattle Times tells the story:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002700316_suicide23m.html

He fire-bombed a lab in Olympia, and burned down a horticulture center at the University of Washington.

In the end he wasn't able to elude the FBI. Sitting alone in a jail cell the other day, he committed suicide. "The county medical examiner determined Rodgers had suffocated after placing a plastic bag over his head while being held in a one-person cell."

Although I hate this zealot's violent actions, now that he's gone and offed himself, I mostly feel sorry for him. He was hooked up with the ELF, and if you check the ALF's web site, the ELF is their "sister organization", focusing on environmental terrorism. You know, these are the freaks who get pissed, for example, if a resort like Vail develops some land for people to enjoy snow-skiing. Fascists that they are, they must attack anyone who would dare ski on nature's purity.

I feel sorry for this man because his life story is so pathetic, and I hold most of my blame for the cult that influenced him.

f*** the people who caused this to happen, and anyone who supports them. Intelligent people? Look how Bill Rodger's life ended.
 
Not "intelligent" people. As you can see, mentally ill schizos under the influence of a cult
 
Revealed: The Sun's new columnist

As Littlejohn has just discovered he is in love with Tony Benn and Garry Bushell is set to become a monk, Rupert Murdoch has recruited his new columnist... namely this bloke. (See above)

Um what on earth else could he be trying to achieve? He writes like Norman Tebbit with a hotel on his head (ok thats not too funny but..... well it is actually)
Anyway it raises a good old titter in work with lines such as environmental terrorists preventing people from building ski resorts (or something!) I'll tell Mark E Smith, he could use that for his next record.

Can you get Celebrity Big Brother in the States? You should do and then you could shout abuse at George Galloway whilst throwing glasses or working out whether you'd prefer to go to bed with Pete Burns or Jodie Marsh. Or maybe at the same time. And they say the US is culturally impoverished.
 
I understand one can't easily defend the indefensible

Does this mean you prefer to place a smiley face on vile acts of terrorism? Or, you don't care but can't tolerate people who do? Or, you don't think Morrissey's support for terrorism undermines his constant and hateful commentaries about those fighting terrorism? Or, you don't consider the ARM a terrorist group? Or, you consider those who act under the ARM banner to be intelligent? Or, you don't think it's a legitimate topic for a forum based on a singer who just told his fans to join the ARM, but you can't stick to threads that do interest you?

Good of you to work Rupert Murdoch into your pointless message. Always a tell-tale of people of a certain ilk who can never refute points, only attack the people making them.

What on earth is the pop singer trying to achieve? Just another fool with a radical view? A zealot who wants scientists working on cures for cancer to be blown up and if the bomb hurts the scientists' kid by accident...oh well. That charming man!
 
Re: I understand one can't easily defend the indefensible

> Good of you to work Rupert Murdoch into your pointless message. Always a
> tell-tale of people of a certain ilk who can never refute points, only
> attack the people making them.

Good of you to work islamic fundamentalists, animal rights activists/ terrorists, lost astronauts and insomniacs into yours!

To be honest, MATE, I don't usually bother reading your right wing reactionary rubbish, but on the occasion when i do it always raises a titter. You do seem dangerously pre-occupied with Morrissey the myth/ political animal (if you'll pardon the pun.) Most people couldn't give a tuppeny f---.

Do you think he (Moz) should "come out" then as he has used a lot of gay iconography in his work? Do you think his refusal is to the detriment of the gay community? Or should he do the Peter Tatchell thing and go and pester Mugabe or something? Me? I don't care.

I also don't care for your political rants and views. What did you do before the internet? And the Rupert Murdoch allegory was/is cos you do sound like Garry Bushell. Which is unfortunate, in the extreme.

So what are your views on Diego Maradona then? Or Tim Robbins? Or ooh I don't know hmmmmm knitting?

Hasta la victoria siempre.
 
Re: How do you know we aren't already members?

I'm joking (of course). I support the aims of the ALF, but not all of their actions. The ALF exist because they are not permitted a voice, even in supposedly democratic societies.
They exist because animal experimentation is a hidden, secretive practice. It has to be hidden, because if the wider public were ever to discover what was happening to animals in the name of science they would be rightly horrified, and demand that it be stopped.

I am sick to death of seeing your factually inaccurate rants on here about a subject you clearly have no sympathy for, or understanding of. WHY DO YOU BOTHER?

And why do you dedicate so much of your time to Morrissey, when you obviously have no respect for the man or his beliefs.
WHY DO YOU COME HERE?
 
Re: I understand one can't easily defend the indefensible

> Does this mean you prefer to place a smiley face on vile acts of
> terrorism? Or, you don't care but can't tolerate people who do? Or, you
> don't think Morrissey's support for terrorism undermines his constant and
> hateful commentaries about those fighting terrorism? Or, you don't
> consider the ARM a terrorist group? Or, you consider those who act under
> the ARM banner to be intelligent? Or, you don't think it's a legitimate
> topic for a forum based on a singer who just told his fans to join the
> ARM, but you can't stick to threads that do interest you?

> Good of you to work Rupert Murdoch into your pointless message. Always a
> tell-tale of people of a certain ilk who can never refute points, only
> attack the people making them.

> What on earth is the pop singer trying to achieve? Just another fool with
> a radical view? A zealot who wants scientists working on cures for cancer
> to be blown up and if the bomb hurts the scientists' kid by accident...oh
> well. That charming man!
This is why singers should stick to singing and political scientists should stick to making political statements. You don't see Ann Coulter singing.
Look around your house and you would be surprised what in your house was tested on animals. Morrissey admitted to taking anti-depressants how does he think they were tested? That laundrey detergent he uses, tested on animals, dyes used in his jeans, tested on animals.
If you don't like something, run for political office, write your representatives, or peacefully protest,you don't bomb people.
I'm guessing that thing about LA was from when he was detained in LAX. He's been in the US on a visitors visa for 8 years and made that statement about wishing Bush died instead.What does he expect? If he did that in Iraq while Saddam was in power It would be a lot worse than being detained at Baghdad international for a couple of hours.
 
Re: I understand one can't easily defend the indefensible

> This is why singers should stick to singing and political scientists
> should stick to making political statements.

So a musician has no right to have a political or ethical opinion? What about Bob Geldof? Bono? That would mean no Live Aid or Live8.
Are you suggesting that Morrissey should keep quiet because his opinions may offend certain people? Do you know nothing about the man?

Yes the majority of medicines were tested on animals at some stage, and many of them have gone on to cause serious side effects in humans, because hey, we're not animals!
It is possible to exist without eating or wearing animals, or buying animal tested products. I know this because I have done so for the last sixteen years. (she says in her best self righteous voice).
 
Re: How do you know we aren't already members?

> I'm joking (of course). I support the aims of the ALF, but not all of
> their actions. The ALF exist because they are not permitted a voice, even
> in supposedly democratic societies.
> They exist because animal experimentation is a hidden, secretive practice.
> It has to be hidden, because if the wider public were ever to discover
> what was happening to animals in the name of science they would be rightly
> horrified, and demand that it be stopped.

> I am sick to death of seeing your factually inaccurate rants on here about
> a subject you clearly have no sympathy for, or understanding of. WHY DO
> YOU BOTHER?

> And why do you dedicate so much of your time to Morrissey, when you
> obviously have no respect for the man or his beliefs.
> WHY DO YOU COME HERE?

I just do :) Oh sorry you weren't referring to me. Or at least I hope not.

You're right about the hidden world of animal experiments. My mate worked as a lab assistant in a university, quite renowned for its scientific research. He had worked there previously, chopping up dead human bodies for scientific purposes and then went to Australia for a year (understandably)

He could only stomach 3 weeks on his return. He was moved to a different sector, namely involving vivisection. And although he was used to the breeding of said animals purely for scientific research he just couldn't abide the working environment any longer.

Now? Well hes become an Islamic fundamentalist, grown a beard and is training on Bin Laden's terrorist training camps.... see that Devil's reject does have a point!!! THAT rhymes with TW.. by the way
 
Re: How do you know we aren't already members?

> Now? Well hes become an Islamic fundamentalist, grown a beard and is
> training on Bin Laden's terrorist training camps.... see that Devil's
> reject does have a point!!! THAT rhymes with TW.. by the way

Ho-ho! It is of course a natural progression.
I can't begin to imagine how anyone could tolerate working in such an environment.
However 'scientific' your view on this subject might be, you would still be regularly witnessing the suffering of terrified animals. And these are sentient, intelligent creatures like monkeys, who experience the same physical and pyschological stress as us.
Have you ever seen any vivesection footage? I can't bring myself to watch any more because it plays on my mind for weeks afterwards. I may be a particularly 'sensitive' type, but surely it would have a similar affect on the hardest heart? And that is precisely why it must be hidden. The moment you begin to empathise with the suffering of another creature is the moment you realise this can't be justified.
 
Re: I understand one can't easily defend the indefensible

> So a musician has no right to have a political or ethical opinion? What
> about Bob Geldof? Bono? That would mean no Live Aid or Live8.
> Are you suggesting that Morrissey should keep quiet because his opinions
> may offend certain people? Do you know nothing about the man?
I wan't implying violating Morrissey's first amendment rights but I do think artists have a lot of influence over some of their fans. Would it be too much for Morrissey to reaserch it a bit and not in a creepy Tom Cruise sort of way.
I don't think Bono agrees with Bush's politics but he did go to the white house and ask for some finacial help to fight AIDS. Until Morrissey goes to the Boxers or the Feinsteins that is an unfair comparison to Bono or Bob Geldof and really belittles their work. Live Aid/8 is more productive than going on a site and calling Bush a terrorist or saying he is responsible for E Coli.
> Yes the majority of medicines were tested on animals at some stage, and
> many of them have gone on to cause serious side effects in humans, because
> hey, we're not animals!
any chemical you put in your body is going to have side effects.
> It is possible to exist without eating or wearing animals, or buying
> animal tested products. I know this because I have done so for the last
> sixteen years. (she says in her best self righteous voice).
If that's the case you would be a good spokesperson to speak out against using animal tested products.Unfortunatly you don't have the exposure that Morrissey does.
 
Re: I understand one can't easily defend the indefensible

I would never belittle the achievements of Bono or Geldof. I used them as an example precisely because they have achieved so much by being very vocal about their political opinions. Of course they have been politically active in a way that Morrissey would probably not want to be. Although his very public support for PETA must count for something?

I don't have Morrissey's exposure yet. Once I get that first novel published it will be a different story (groan!).
 
ANIMAL RIGHTS IS ONE STRUGGLE ONE FIGHT!

LIBERATE LIBERATE LIBERATE!

ALF.
 
look for the cruelty free symbol when shopping.

> This is why singers should stick to singing and political scientists
> should stick to making political statements. You don't see Ann Coulter
> singing.
> Look around your house and you would be surprised what in your house was
> tested on animals. Morrissey admitted to taking anti-depressants how does
> he think they were tested? That laundrey detergent he uses, tested on
> animals, dyes used in his jeans, tested on animals.
> If you don't like something, run for political office, write your
> representatives, or peacefully protest,you don't bomb people.
> I'm guessing that thing about LA was from when he was detained in LAX.
> He's been in the US on a visitors visa for 8 years and made that statement
> about wishing Bush died instead.What does he expect? If he did that in
> Iraq while Saddam was in power It would be a lot worse than being detained
> at Baghdad international for a couple of hours.

Singers should stick to singing? And you're worried about fascism?

Saddam is worse that Bush. Got it. Do you understand how poor that argument is? Because there is a country in which he would have had less freedom of speech somehow justifies his being detained. What if he had said it in China? Why aren't we invading them?

Shouldn't bomb people. We agree on that. Of course that means the President is a terrorist since he uses bombs.
 
Re: I understand one can't easily defend the indefensible

> I would never belittle the achievements of Bono or Geldof. I used them as
> an example precisely because they have achieved so much by being very
> vocal about their political opinions. Of course they have been politically
> active in a way that Morrissey would probably not want to be. Although his
> very public support for PETA must count for something?

> I don't have Morrissey's exposure yet. Once I get that first novel
> published it will be a different story (groan!).
fingers crossed and when it happens I want an autographed copy!!
 
Re: I understand one can't easily defend the indefensible

> fingers crossed and when it happens I want an autographed copy!!

What, so you can flog it for an extortionate price? I know!
Ummm...I haven't actually written it yet, but when I do it will be a masterpiece.
I certainly have plenty of ripe material. Dysfunctional parenting (there's a trilogy in there alone), crazy work place nonsense, loopy landladies with kettle fixations, and of course obsessive Morrissey fans. You'll all be in there!
 
Re: I understand one can't easily defend the indefensible

> fingers crossed and when it happens I want an autographed copy!!

What, so you can flog it for an extortionate price? I know!
Ummm...I haven't actually written it yet, but when I do it will be a masterpiece.
I certainly have plenty of ripe material. Dysfunctional parenting (there's a trilogy in there alone), crazy work place nonsense, loopy landladies with kettle fixations, and of course obsessive Morrissey fans. You'll all be in there!
 
Re: I understand one can't easily defend the indefensible

> This is why singers should stick to singing and political scientists
> should stick to making political statements. You don't see Ann Coulter
> singing.
> Look around your house and you would be surprised what in your house was
> tested on animals. Morrissey admitted to taking anti-depressants how does
> he think they were tested? That laundrey detergent he uses, tested on
> animals, dyes used in his jeans, tested on animals.

I will be watching closely when Morrissey gets ill. He has impliedly pledged to not accept any medical treatements or drugs that were based on any research on animals. I kind think I know how that will play out, however, given Morrissey's vanity exception for leather, his love of over-priced, show-offy Gucci clothes, and all that crap.

> If you don't like something, run for political office, write your
> representatives, or peacefully protest,you don't bomb people.

Yes, Devils, I agree 100%. What is sad is that Morrissey keeps talking like he is making a stand against barbarism at the very same time he advocates animal-rights extremist mail bombs, arson, death threats, razor blades sin the mail, etc.

> I'm guessing that thing about LA was from when he was detained in LAX.
> He's been in the US on a visitors visa for 8 years and made that statement
> about wishing Bush died instead.What does he expect? If he did that in
> Iraq while Saddam was in power It would be a lot worse than being detained
> at Baghdad international for a couple of hours.

Actually, if my memory is correct (and it may not be), the LAX thing was some confusion over names.
 
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