Morrissey supports terrorism

Morrissey:

"I support the efforts of the Animal Rights Militia in England and I understand why fur-farmers and so-called laboratory scientists are repaid with violence - it is because they deal in violence themselves and it's the only language they understand - the same principals that apply to war. You reach a point where you cannot reason with people. This is why the Animal Rights Militia and the Hunt Saboteurs exist."

So Morrissey supports death threats, mail bombs, razaor-blade letters, arson, and the like, on scientists who do biomedical research on animals. Oh, but since the wacko animal liberation front fanatics can't "reason" with these scientists (can you imagine someone believing one of these ALF/ARM types has ever tried to REASON with anyone?) then of course they have no choice but to resport to violence against those they disagree with. Because no moral person could EVER think that some animal research has led to good. Remember the quote from Morrissey friend in PETA that a plastered on the site a few months ago: He said if you're worried about human diseases, well don't get sick in the first place!

What a fool Morrissey is, on top being a self-righteous puritan. Each time I read his Q&A's I come to the troubling realization that he's just not a very intelligent man. I guess people can write really good songs while being stupid fanatics who haven't advanced beyond 13 in intellect. I know that artists tend to live inside their heads and that explains a lot, but he's also handed his brain over to propagandists as if he has no built-in bullshit-detector whatsoever. He's the equivalent of a far right-wing anti-abortionist who advocates the bombing of abortion clinics and their doctors.

Of course he'll never say a word about all the dogs and cats PETA has killed, some under false pretenses...such as this puppy found in a dumpster:

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/images/hazmat_small.jpg




http://www.petakillsanimals.com/images/hazmat_small.jpg

The allegations of Morrissey's fascism were accurate

His support of animal rights terrorist violence on scientists is fascism.

I actually happen to know someone who had some stock in a company that was involved with some research that animal rights fanatics disagreed with. (It was research related to important medical purposes.) For merely investing in some stock, he recieved threats.

Anyway, I sincerely hope Morrissey will walk it like he talks it, and will never allow a doctor to use any treatments or medicines on him that were developed with the aid of biomedical research on animals. I hope to live to see the day Morrissey is faced with that choice.

who finally woke up & smelt the fur trade shares?

hahaha well then tory boy, why don't you walk like you talk & piss off with your shares! That would be a good investment, but no you'll stay because you've nowhere else to go, sad.
I bet your only other Morrissey soul mate (the only other tory wanker who claims to like Morrissey, the right horrible Davey Boy tory tosser UK) will also be frothing at the mouth (should he ever find out Morrisseys political views).
The funny thing is, I suppose, it just proves how little you know about Morrissey has he always openly supported animal liberation groups.
Ouch sick to death of labour & tories, bush&blair what a pair, hahaha!

love

Grim

> His support of animal rights terrorist violence on scientists is fascism.

> I actually happen to know someone who had some stock in a company that was
> involved with some research that animal rights fanatics disagreed with.
> (It was research related to important medical purposes.) For merely
> investing in some stock, he recieved threats.

> Anyway, I sincerely hope Morrissey will walk it like he talks it, and will
> never allow a doctor to use any treatments or medicines on him that were
> developed with the aid of biomedical research on animals. I hope to live
> to see the day Morrissey is faced with that choice.

terrorism is just another word that is becoming meaningless, like patriot, or freedom

"Terrorism" is subjective. Sometimes the use of violence is celebrated in our culture. It depends on who is doing the violence and to whom. Our country would not exist without violence. Our country would not exist without certain actions which, if they were being perpetrated against us today, would certainly be considered terrorism.

"So Morrissey supports death threats, mail bombs, razaor-blade letters"

I think you'll find that Morrissey was talking about the animal rights movement in England, if you do a bit more digging you'll find out that the ALF have never committed violent attacks against people. The focus of their activities is the liberation of abused animals and the financial sabotage of abusers.

> "So Morrissey supports death threats, mail bombs, razaor-blade
> letters"

> I think you'll find that Morrissey was talking about the animal rights
> movement in England, if you do a bit more digging you'll find out that the
> ALF have never committed violent attacks against people. The focus of
> their activities is the liberation of abused animals and the financial
> sabotage of abusers.

If you google the group Moz referred to you'll find BBC reports etc about their terrorism, including mail bombs, razor blade letters and the like. Morrissey's quote itself made clear that he sympathized with their violence. He made himself completely clear. He is a fanatic comparable to those advocating death threats and bombinds of aboretiuon clinics. Anti-abortion groups feel just as strongly about the morality of their position, and their inability to reason with those who support abortion rights. I happen to think, in both cases, the groups are fanatical fascists with a religious-like self-righteousness and demonization of others.

I'm curious about this "financial sabotage" that you find admirable. This, of course, includes arson. When you commit arson, you are a barbarian, and you are indeed putting lives at risk in addition to indefensibly destroying property.

If someone advocates animal rights, the proper course is to persuade people and pass laws accordingly. Of course demonizing all scientists who do research on animals as "so called" and acting like none of them are providing any good for society is rather absurd, but it's to be expected from propagandistic and cult-like PETA types.

> He is a fanatic comparable to
> those advocating death threats and bombinds of aboretiuon clinics.
> Anti-abortion groups feel just as strongly about the morality of their
> position, and their inability to reason with those who support abortion
> rights. I happen to think, in both cases, the groups are fanatical
> fascists with a religious-like self-righteousness and demonization of
> others.

bombinds of aboretioun clinics = bombings of abortion clinics. Fingers got tangled again....

Morrissey has become a crashing bore. He is a fanatical cult member who is exactly the same as the Christian fundamentalists I see on public squares ranting about abortion, placing with grisly photos in your face. He's also a self-righteous puritan, as his deranged and factually unsound ranting about food in his last Q&A made clear.

But he does sing good songs.

Re: terrorism is just another word that is becoming meaningless, like patriot, or freedom

> "Terrorism" is subjective. Sometimes the use of violence is
> celebrated in our culture. It depends on who is doing the violence and to
> whom. Our country would not exist without violence. Our country would not
> exist without certain actions which, if they were being perpetrated
> against us today, would certainly be considered terrorism.

Well, in the War on Terrorism, I'd agree with you that we'd be better off not using that term. I generally prefer referring to the enemy as islamic-fascists.

Morrissey believes that the Islamic-jihad facists are "so-called terrorists."
It's not surprising that someone with fascist impulses like Morrissey would attemopt to dismiss 9/11, Bali, Madrid, the London bombings, etc etc etc etc as figments of the imagination. But he'll bleat on with his fear-mongering and alarmism about food, since he'd love a nanny-state to start dictating our diets via taxation and regulation.

Re: who finally woke up & smelt the fur trade shares?

> hahaha well then tory boy, why don't you walk like you talk & piss off
> with your shares! That would be a good investment, but no you'll stay
> because you've nowhere else to go, sad.

I'd dearly love someone to address the issue. Are you opposed to all research involving animals, even research that leads to treatments for, say, cancer patients and AIDS patients?

How does this make you unlike the Christian fundamentalist who doesn't want any stem-cell research?

> I bet your only other Morrissey soul mate (the only other tory wanker who
> claims to like Morrissey, the right horrible Davey Boy tory tosser UK)
> will also be frothing at the mouth (should he ever find out Morrisseys
> political views).

Morrissey's statement that one is best judged by their conduct is the exact same position I have posted here and elsewhere many a time. I happen to think his conduct reveals him to be a rather arrogant, selfish, dishonest, and greedy man where his own financial interests are concerned, and his treatment of other people has often been shabby to say the least. That's why I have little sympathy for his troubles in court. Where, btw, he was found to be quite shady on the witness stand.

> The funny thing is, I suppose, it just proves how little you know about
> Morrissey has he always openly supported animal liberation groups.
> Ouch sick to death of labour & tories, bush&blair what a pair, hahaha!

Of course I knew he supported animal liberation groups. And it's not the first time he's given support to groups like the ALF. Of course a man who gave himself a vanity exception for wearing dead animals in the form of leather strikes me as rather pathetically hypocritical. Such a person who would cheer on mail bombs to scientists is pretty idiotic. Some of those scientists are doing research to save lives, far more worthy than Morrissey's "well, I have to wear leather because I'm vane" line.

maybe the answers to this Q&A session shouldn't be re-write by "someone" like that no confussion

I certainly hope the War on Terrorism sweeps up the animal-rights terrorists in the net as well

It's no wonder Morrissey doesn't support fighting terrorism, given his support for the below described terrorism, which even includes mailing razor blades dipped in poison to people!

Morrissey is not a man of liberal values, which is why he's not so concerned about terrorists who are at war with liberal democracies.

BBC News Online: UK

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Wednesday, 30 August, 2000, 12:47 GMT 13:47 UK
Animal rights, terror tactics

Animal rights extremists launched more than 1,200 attacks last year - terrorising their victims and causing £2.6m of damage to property. A clampdown has now been promised to thwart such activities.
"Animal liberation is a fierce struggle that demands total commitment. There will be injuries and possibly deaths on both sides. That is sad but certain."

So wrote Ronnie Lee, founder of the Animal Liberation Front (ALF). In the two decades since its birth, the organisation has proved itself more than willing to stand by these words.

St Andrew's University terrorism expert Professor Paul Wilkinson says animal rights now tops the list of causes which prompt violence in the UK. A dubious honour won following the easing of tensions over Northern Ireland.

With 1,200 fire bombings, acts of vandalism and physical attacks last year perpetrated in the name of animal "liberation", the government is planning a clampdown on the extremist groups responsible.

Organised mayhem

The ALF is widely considered to be at the centre of the web of British animal rights terror groups.

Conceived by Mr Lee, an already seasoned hunt saboteur, in 1976, the ALF is thought to be an umbrella for a number of activist cells, many boasting their own nom de guerre.

Though the Animal Rights Militia (ARM) claims to be a separate organisation, its aims and violent tactics mirror those of the ALF closely enough to prompt commentators to regard this division as false.

Likewise the "Justice Department", which specialises in directly targeting vets, researchers and business people it accuses of animal cruelty, is understood to be a part of the ALF.

The group is thought to count both far-left and far-right activists among its membership. It has also attracted "middle class professionals", according to The Sunday Times.

Urban terrorism

In both its loose structure and tactics the ALF has been likened to a wartime resistance movement. Any detailed examination of the group is notoriously difficult, as the authorities have found out.

While these extremists have indulged in potentially deadly attacks for many years, the police fear that their campaign is moving towards full-blown "urban terrorism".

Although poorly financed and lacking resources, Mr Wilkinson says these extremists have gained bomb-making expertise from manuals and via the internet.

Following an attack on a fleet of refrigerated meat lorries in May - in which nine explosive devices were planted - a senior Thames Valley police officer feared an escalation in terror tactics.

"The risk is that someone is going to get seriously hurt as these groups use more powerful devices."

Alongside arson and other attacks on shops, bookmakers, factories, dairies, farms and laboratories, extremists have harassed individuals.

Terror campaign

Oxford academic Professor Colin Blakemore has endured more than many.

The vision scientist, whose work includes experiments on cats, has received two letter bombs, been sent razor blades in the post, had his car damaged and the doors and windows of his home smashed.

On "World Day for Laboratory Animals" in 1997, Mr Blakemore's house was surrounded by 300 activists wearing balaclavas.

When jailed animal rights arsonist Barry Horne went on hunger strike - demanding a Royal Commission on vivisection - Mr Blakemore's name topped an ARM hit list of targets who would be murdered should Horne die.

Aside from its violence, the ALF has been criticised for its other "misguided" direct actions.

A spate of attacks on mink fur farms, which released thousands of the creatures into the British countryside were called "catastrophic" by the RSPCA. The society feared the voracious mink would decimate local wildlife.

International reach

Already a headache for law-abiding animal rights campaigners, the UK's extremist groups are now proving a national embarrassment.

The Justice Department regularly sends razor blades, reportedly poison-tipped, to targets in the United States.

Mr Wilkinson says the ALF has also given support and advice to like-minded groups which have burgeoned in Canada, Germany, Japan and the US.

The government will be hoping increased vigilance can curtail these international activities, and hinder the ALF's domestic attacks.

But worryingly, a reporter for The Scotsman newspaper found a former soldier who claimed to have trained Justice Department activists.

"They've got guns from the former Yugoslavia," he said. "And they'd use them."

Well, well well.

Huntingdon Life Science Laboratory should have been blown apart.

That self righteous prick that never had a big enough blow to the head, or large enough bomb under the car, Professor "too much money for inflicting excrutiating pain upon my subordinates for no reason whatsoever, other than to make me look useful and cry to the government for a bigger bank balance"

Oh yes, what have I achieved in the fight against disease?

Please don't ask, as you know, I am too busy fighting off those who declare my torture of our four legged friends as "unimportant".

> Morrissey:

> "I support the efforts of the Animal Rights Militia in England and I
> understand why fur-farmers and so-called laboratory scientists are repaid
> with violence - it is because they deal in violence themselves and it's
> the only language they understand - the same principals that apply to war.
> You reach a point where you cannot reason with people. This is why the
> Animal Rights Militia and the Hunt Saboteurs exist."

> So Morrissey supports death threats, mail bombs, razaor-blade letters,
> arson, and the like, on scientists who do biomedical research on animals.
> Oh, but since the wacko animal liberation front fanatics can't
> "reason" with these scientists (can you imagine someone
> believing one of these ALF/ARM types has ever tried to REASON with
> anyone?) then of course they have no choice but to resport to violence
> against those they disagree with. Because no moral person could EVER think
> that some animal research has led to good. Remember the quote from
> Morrissey friend in PETA that a plastered on the site a few months ago: He
> said if you're worried about human diseases, well don't get sick in the
> first place!

> What a fool Morrissey is, on top being a self-righteous puritan. Each time
> I read his Q&A's I come to the troubling realization that he's just not a
> very intelligent man. I guess people can write really good songs while
> being stupid fanatics who haven't advanced beyond 13 in intellect. I know
> that artists tend to live inside their heads and that explains a lot, but
> he's also handed his brain over to propagandists as if he has no built-in
> bullshit-detector whatsoever. He's the equivalent of a far right-wing
> anti-abortionist who advocates the bombing of abortion clinics and their
> doctors.

> Of course he'll never say a word about all the dogs and cats PETA has
> killed, some under false pretenses...such as this puppy found in a
> dumpster:

> http://www.petakillsanimals.com/images/hazmat_small.jpg

Re: who finally woke up & smelt the fur trade shares?

> I'd dearly love someone to address the issue. Are you opposed to all
> research involving animals, even research that leads to treatments for,
> say, cancer patients and AIDS patients?

> How does this make you unlike the Christian fundamentalist who doesn't
> want any stem-cell research?

> Morrissey's statement that one is best judged by their conduct is the
> exact same position I have posted here and elsewhere many a time. I happen
> to think his conduct reveals him to be a rather arrogant, selfish,
> dishonest, and greedy man where his own financial interests are concerned,
> and his treatment of other people has often been shabby to say the least.
> That's why I have little sympathy for his troubles in court. Where, btw,
> he was found to be quite shady on the witness stand.

> Of course I knew he supported animal liberation groups. And it's not the
> first time he's given support to groups like the ALF. Of course a man who
> gave himself a vanity exception for wearing dead animals in the form of
> leather strikes me as rather pathetically hypocritical. Such a person who
> would cheer on mail bombs to scientists is pretty idiotic. Some of those
> scientists are doing research to save lives, far more worthy than
> Morrissey's "well, I have to wear leather because I'm vane"
> line.
LOL Where have you been, don't you know anything Morrissey says is the law!What's funnier is I think Grim works in a nursing home so he has the hypocrisy down like Morrissey.I guess he was too busy getting his PhD in Meterological sceince with an emphasis on global warming to worry about anything like cancer,stem cell, or aids research.

hey Dev's-RE: Bruce

I'm comah ovah




I'm from Jersey

Re: who finally woke up & smelt the fur trade shares?

> LOL Where have you been,

Hey, I was posting to you the other day, but it was buried down low on the list: http://www.morrissey-solo.com/discuss/index.cgi?noframes;read=294053

I was trying to spin the Indians' lack of exciting moves in the off-season as okay. Maybe it will be okay. I looked up our new pitcher Paul Byrd's recent history and he can be pretty good sometimes. And he shut the Red Sox offense down in an important game down the stretch last season.

>don't you know anything Morrissey says is the
> law!

What do some of these people do if they love the music of more than one pop singer and those pop singers have conflicting political views?

>What's funnier is I think Grim works in a nursing home so he has the
> hypocrisy down like Morrissey.I guess he was too busy getting his PhD in
> Meterological sceince with an emphasis on global warming to worry about
> anything like cancer,stem cell, or aids research.

HaHa! But Devil, don't you know you were being a counter-revolutionary for fact-chacking Grim's views on hurricanes? How dare you.

Re: who finally woke up & smelt the fur trade shares?

> Hey, I was posting to you the other day, but it was buried down low on the
> list:
> http://www.morrissey-solo.com/discuss/index.cgi?noframes;read=294053 I
> was trying to spin the Indians' lack of exciting moves in the off-season
> as okay. Maybe it will be okay. I looked up our new pitcher Paul Byrd's
> recent history and he can be pretty good sometimes. And he shut the Red
> Sox offense down in an important game down the stretch last season.
Then I like him already!! With CoCo Crisp I'll be rooting for them(when they arent' playing the Yanks of course ) Tickets went on sale today for Spring training!!
My friends father just died, huge Yankee fan and they were saying it was because he couldn't handle the Damon signing. SICK!!
> What do some of these people do if they love the music of more than one
> pop singer and those pop singers have conflicting political views?
What's wrong with that, I mean it's America? Who is anyone to say we should all have one political view? When I see Springsteen- he gets into it and people are like whatever just play Born to Run.
> HaHa! But Devil, don't you know you were being a counter-revolutionary for
> fact-chacking Grim's views on hurricanes? How dare you.
LOL yeah I paid attention in Earth Science so I know I'll be waiting a long time for Grim to produce his scientific evidence.

I don't know why i looked at that picture, poor puppy I've got to go & hug my dog now.

Re: who finally woke up & smelt the fur trade shares?

> Then I like him already!!

Oh, I just remembered though...didn't the Yankees knock him around in one of the ALDS games? I think the Angels still won the game, but Byrd was knocked out of it early?

>With CoCo Crisp I'll be rooting for them(when
> they arent' playing the Yanks of course )

Yeah, CoCo's a cool dude. I still remember his expression as he watched the playoffs slip away from the Indians in the last week of the season. He looked like he's gonna have a fire in his belly to prevent that this year!

>Tickets went on sale today
> for Spring training!!
> My friends father just died, huge Yankee fan and they were saying it was
> because he couldn't handle the Damon signing. SICK!!

I'm sorry your friend's dad passed away.

> LOL yeah I paid attention in Earth Science so I know I'll be waiting a
> long time for Grim to produce his scientific evidence.

You know how it is...people throw out this week's fashionable attacks, and then next week they're on to the next bunch of crap assuming everyone will forget how full of it they were last time around.

You still have time to get Sirius satellite radio before Monday!!

My brother did good and got me the Sportster Replay plug n play Sirius radio. But it's been sitting beside my bed still in its packaging since Christmas Eve. I'm gonna have to get it going tomorrow, and order my subscription. I hope it's not hard to install the antenna in my car. Yeah, I think I'll open it up tonight and see what's what. I also have to get either the port that lets you hook it up to your home stereo, or the boombox thingie the Sportster plugs into. Hmmm.....

JANUARY 9th, DEVILS!! Be there or be square! Sirius has NHL you know! But baseball's on XM. Sirius would totally kick XM's asses if they had landed the baseball deal.

Re: You still have time to get Sirius satellite radio before Monday!!

> My brother did good and got me the Sportster Replay plug n play Sirius
> radio. But it's been sitting beside my bed still in its packaging since
> Christmas Eve. I'm gonna have to get it going tomorrow, and order my
> subscription. I hope it's not hard to install the antenna in my car. Yeah,
> I think I'll open it up tonight and see what's what. I also have to get
> either the port that lets you hook it up to your home stereo, or the
> boombox thingie the Sportster plugs into. Hmmm.....

> JANUARY 9th, DEVILS!! Be there or be square! Sirius has NHL you know! But
> baseball's on XM. Sirius would totally kick XM's asses if they had
> landed the baseball deal.

What does your sattelite radio have to do with your slanderous assault on Morrissey? Just wondering.