A question regarding "gingers"

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I have read various posts over time regarding "gingers".

Are some of you slagging all "gingers" or only specific ones?
Is there a generic or common dislike of gingers? And if so, why?
 
very bitter people, hating the world for their disfigurement. There should be a mass culling.
 
i think they are special. many of them are gifted with second sight

> I have read various posts over time regarding "gingers".

> Are some of you slagging all "gingers" or only specific ones?
> Is there a generic or common dislike of gingers? And if so, why?
 
> I have read various posts over time regarding "gingers".

> Are some of you slagging all "gingers" or only specific ones?
> Is there a generic or common dislike of gingers? And if so, why?

Always found it to be a very English thing. Probably something to do an ingrained fear of be battered by Celts and Vikings over the centuries.
 
Re: An answer regarding "gingers"

> i think they are special.

- especially left-handed ones are extremely intelligent. That much I know for sure. I just never saw the term "ginger" referring to red/auburm hair.
 
> Always found it to be a very English thing. Probably something to do an
> ingrained fear of be battered by Celts and Vikings over the centuries.

Superstitious hogwash!
 
Re: very bitter people, hating the world for their disfigurement. There should be a mass culling.

Knobhead. And i'm not ginger. Or red. Or Auburn. Or Strawberry Blonde.
 
Re: very bitter people, hating the world for their disfigurement. There should be a mass culling.

> Knobhead. And i'm not ginger. Or red. Or Auburn. Or Strawberry Blonde.

I am of the bettings you are dating one of them monsters

It is written all over your ashamed face

I would be including you in the slaughterings, go hide, RUN RABBITS RUN!!
 
Re: very bitter people, hating the world for their disfigurement. There should be a mass culling.

> I am of the bettings you are dating one of them monsters

> It is written all over your ashamed face

> I would be including you in the slaughterings, go hide, RUN RABBITS RUN!!

Well my hair is Brown, but my neard is foxy. But I wish I had fiery red hair. A true sign of my Celtic roots, and fierce and noble race civivlised before any others on these Islands.
 
Red hair (ginger) is associated with Ireland?

Probably came from bigots that needed to justify their theft and their attempt to destroy another people's culture. Anthropologists reported that Australian Aborigines were not human for the same reason.
 
Re: It's a pity you didn't sign The Smiths, but you were right about Mick Hucknall -
 
errr, well bright orange hair isnt pretty, dark red/gingery brown i pretty

its just a bit of a joke
 
It goes back to the sun worship in ancient times, when people with red hair were thought to have magical powers. Ulysses, Esau, Samson, etc. were redheaded - in other words, sun gods. Samson means 'of the sun', the title of the pre-Jewish sun kings. They were sacrificed after having their hair cut off by the priestess (called Delilah). The story of Samson in the Bible records the overthrowing of this tradition.

In the middle ages the Catholic Church had redheads burnt at the stake because of the continuing sun cults in Europe. Some people have obviously never managed to see through the propoganda. The same goes for the hatred of cats, who were sun god representatives in Egypt and elsewhere, and burnt by the church along with the redheads. Even today, the poor training of vets reflects this bias against cats.

Here's some science:

"There is a widespread curiosity about red hair, and we are often asked questions about colouration – only some of which we have answers to. When were the first red heads? (Red-haired variants of the MC1R gene probably arose about 20-40 000 years ago.) What is the genetic relationship between bright red, strawberry blonde and auburn hair? (Not entirely clear as yet.) And is the red hair gene a 'Celtic gene' – as is widely supposed? (Not really, but it is safe to say that – a few rare exceptions aside - all red heads are MC1R variants that derive from European populations; the prevalence of these alleles is highest in Celtic countries.)

So there is lots more to find out about the genes involved in skin and hair colour. Once we have unpicked their undoubtedly complex relationships, we should have many more answers about the origins, history and subtleties of red hair itself, and about in the development, control and health of the skin in general.

Red hair is such a distinctive characteristic that one can imagine, in some future world, two red heads meeting up on some distant planet and the conversation quickly turning to their place of birth! Whether or not they were both of Celtic blood, they could be sure that at least one of their genes was remarkably similar."

Jonathan L Rees is Professor of Dermatology at the University of Edinburgh.

http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/en/genome/genesandbody/hg07f002.html

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"Hair color is determined by the amount of two pigments called eumelanin and phomelanin that are in your hair. The amount of eumelanin in your hair gives you a range from blonde to black—a little eumelanin and you are blonde, an intermediate amount, brown, and a lot, black.

Red comes into the equation with phomelanin. The more phomelanin in your hair, the redder it is.

OK, then, hair color is a mixture of how much eumelanin and phomelanin is in your hair. For example, strawberry blonde is a little of each, auburn is some eumelanin and phomelanin and a redhead is very little eumelanin and lots of phomelanin.

How does the body decide how much of these melanins to put in your hair? Genes, of course. (If you are interested in some current theories on inheritance of hair color besides red, please see the link below.)

Humans usually end up with very little phomelanin because of the product of a gene called MC1R. What MC1R lets happen is the conversion of phomelanin into eumelanin which makes red hair pretty rare.

When someone has both of their MC1R genes mutated, this conversion doesn’t happen anymore and you get a buildup of phomelanin, which results in red hair (as well as fair skin and freckles).

So, your son may have two mutant MC1R genes, one from you and one from your husband. The fact that you and your husband have freckles may strengthen this idea as I have read that people with a single mutant MC1R gene don’t necessarily show red hair but often are freckled.

So it may be a simple case of dominant and recessive traits. You and your husband each have a working and a mutant version of the MC1R genes making you freckled but not giving you red hair. Your second son got two mutant MC1R genes while your first inherited either one or no mutant copies. By this model, you had a 1 in 4 chance of having a redhead.

As to why you haven’t seen it in your family before, it depends when it entered your family and simple statistics. For example, let’s say your family has a single copy of the mutant MC1R gene; no one has two copies of the mutant gene. If everyone then marries people with two working copies of MC1R, then any children produced will have either one or no copies of the mutant gene.

Even if they did marry someone with a single mutant copy, there is still only a 1 in 4 chance of producing a redhead. It is important to realize that if you have four kids, this doesn’t mean that one will be a redhead for sure. It doesn’t matter what came before, each child has a 25% chance of being a red head.

You can see how even if there are no known redheads in your family, you can still be a “carrier” for red hair. Hopefully this answer can help arm you against the inevitable questions."

http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=44
 
> It goes back to the sun worship in ancient times, when people with red
> hair were thought to have magical powers. Ulysses, Esau, Samson, etc. were
> redheaded - in other words, sun gods. Samson means 'of the sun', the title
> of the pre-Jewish sun kings. They were sacrificed after having their hair
> cut off by the priestess (called Delilah). The story of Samson in the
> Bible records the overthrowing of this tradition.

> In the middle ages the Catholic Church had redheads burnt at the stake
> because of the continuing sun cults in Europe. Some people have obviously
> never managed to see through the propoganda. The same goes for the hatred
> of cats, who were sun god representatives in Egypt and elsewhere, and
> burnt by the church along with the redheads. Even today, the poor training
> of vets reflects this bias against cats.

> Here's some science:

> "There is a widespread curiosity about red hair, and we are often
> asked questions about colouration – only some of which we have answers to.
> When were the first red heads? (Red-haired variants of the MC1R gene
> probably arose about 20-40 000 years ago.) What is the genetic
> relationship between bright red, strawberry blonde and auburn hair? (Not
> entirely clear as yet.) And is the red hair gene a 'Celtic gene' – as is
> widely supposed? (Not really, but it is safe to say that – a few rare
> exceptions aside - all red heads are MC1R variants that derive from
> European populations; the prevalence of these alleles is highest in Celtic
> countries.)

> So there is lots more to find out about the genes involved in skin and
> hair colour. Once we have unpicked their undoubtedly complex
> relationships, we should have many more answers about the origins, history
> and subtleties of red hair itself, and about in the development, control
> and health of the skin in general.

> Red hair is such a distinctive characteristic that one can imagine, in
> some future world, two red heads meeting up on some distant planet and the
> conversation quickly turning to their place of birth! Whether or not they
> were both of Celtic blood, they could be sure that at least one of their
> genes was remarkably similar."

> Jonathan L Rees is Professor of Dermatology at the University of
> Edinburgh.

> http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/en/genome/genesandbody/hg07f002.html
> -----------------------------------

> "Hair color is determined by the amount of two pigments called
> eumelanin and phomelanin that are in your hair. The amount of eumelanin in
> your hair gives you a range from blonde to black—a little eumelanin and
> you are blonde, an intermediate amount, brown, and a lot, black.

> Red comes into the equation with phomelanin. The more phomelanin in your
> hair, the redder it is.

> OK, then, hair color is a mixture of how much eumelanin and phomelanin is
> in your hair. For example, strawberry blonde is a little of each, auburn
> is some eumelanin and phomelanin and a redhead is very little eumelanin
> and lots of phomelanin.

> How does the body decide how much of these melanins to put in your hair?
> Genes, of course. (If you are interested in some current theories on
> inheritance of hair color besides red, please see the link below.)

> Humans usually end up with very little phomelanin because of the product
> of a gene called MC1R. What MC1R lets happen is the conversion of
> phomelanin into eumelanin which makes red hair pretty rare.

> When someone has both of their MC1R genes mutated, this conversion doesn’t
> happen anymore and you get a buildup of phomelanin, which results in red
> hair (as well as fair skin and freckles).

> So, your son may have two mutant MC1R genes, one from you and one from
> your husband. The fact that you and your husband have freckles may
> strengthen this idea as I have read that people with a single mutant MC1R
> gene don’t necessarily show red hair but often are freckled.

> So it may be a simple case of dominant and recessive traits. You and your
> husband each have a working and a mutant version of the MC1R genes making
> you freckled but not giving you red hair. Your second son got two mutant
> MC1R genes while your first inherited either one or no mutant copies. By
> this model, you had a 1 in 4 chance of having a redhead.

> As to why you haven’t seen it in your family before, it depends when it
> entered your family and simple statistics. For example, let’s say your
> family has a single copy of the mutant MC1R gene; no one has two copies of
> the mutant gene. If everyone then marries people with two working copies
> of MC1R, then any children produced will have either one or no copies of
> the mutant gene.

> Even if they did marry someone with a single mutant copy, there is still
> only a 1 in 4 chance of producing a redhead. It is important to realize
> that if you have four kids, this doesn’t mean that one will be a redhead
> for sure. It doesn’t matter what came before, each child has a 25% chance
> of being a red head.

> You can see how even if there are no known redheads in your family, you
> can still be a “carrier” for red hair. Hopefully this answer can help arm
> you against the inevitable questions."

> http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=44

Thanks for posting this, fascinating!
 
Interesting.

My wife is "ginger" and so are our 3 children.
I am not a ginger.

My wife is of Irish decent...I am a Polish German.

My wife is a Morrissey....I am of the "Cherry Tree".
 
> It goes back to the sun worship in ancient times, when people with red
> hair were thought to have magical powers. Ulysses, Esau, Samson, etc. were
> redheaded - in other words, sun gods. Samson means 'of the sun', the title
> of the pre-Jewish sun kings. They were sacrificed after having their hair
> cut off by the priestess (called Delilah). The story of Samson in the
> Bible records the overthrowing of this tradition.

Samson, a semite, would have had the typical dark locks as the rest of his ancient Israelite brethern. His shock of hair evidenced his consecration to the service of God under Nazaritic vows. The story of Samson is that of a Nazarite who serially violates his every pledge (drinking wine, eating grapes, touching the dead, etc.), until, shorn of his hair (the final desecration) he loses Grace. The story is totally organic and not amenable to the type of comparative religion-on-steriods treatment plied by this flippant scholar.

> In the middle ages the Catholic Church had redheads burnt at the stake
> because of the continuing sun cults in Europe. Some people have obviously
> never managed to see through the propoganda.

Good God, get your head of the Frazerian 19th century! Burning at the stake was a punishment for heresy. To infer that a few aberrational points of doctrine, held by select Celts, were ultimately sourced in persistant, subterranean, Solar traditions is WILDLY speculative to say the least.

>The same goes for the hatred
> of cats, who were sun god representatives in Egypt and elsewhere, and
> burnt by the church along with the redheads. Even today, the poor training
> of vets reflects this bias against cats.

The persecution of cats had NOTHING to do with their evocative status as Solar deities. Cats (among other animals) were dispatched, along with their sorcerer owners, owing to the notion that they were prone to harbor "familiar spirts"; an example of such familiarization (concerning swine) being present in each of the synoptic gospels.
 
> So it may be a simple case of dominant and recessive traits. You and your
> husband each have a working and a mutant version of the MC1R genes making
> you freckled but not giving you red hair. Your second son got two mutant
> MC1R genes while your first inherited either one or no mutant copies. By
> this model, you had a 1 in 4 chance of having a redhead.

So this is a clue as to why my "ginger mate" and I produced one black hair/brown eyed and a blond hair/blue eyed offspring. There is a grandchild with bright red hair though.
 
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