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dr. hawkings
January 24, 2000, 06:30 AM
It's sad, but he has intelligent fans out there, but he slowly but surely pisses them off by constantly changing tour dates or they get bored waiting for albums and leave and this is what you're left with.

If he thinks he's doing it for the greater good, well, he's not. Maybe breaking the hearts of the few left when he finally hangs his hat, but really, who cares about many of them? He could nurture the new ones or the ones who liked to be challenged if he desired, but it's not what he wants. He'd rather test them and draw things out until they break and then pull them and test them some more until they can't function just to make sure he has the power to put them through the wringer and they show up. There's something incredibly sick and abusive about it.

I don't buy that he feels so bad about himself that he doesn't know when he's hurting people. I just think he gets a boner from it, and these are the last vestiges of people who aren't loved, who don't know what love is, and take it because they have no hope of being loved. He starves his audience into submitting. His biggest genius is not his music or his clothing, but his failure to spell anything out in black and white terms. He teases his audience onto the stage, and runs off when they actually make it there. They live in hope and would gladly put their own lives on hold and not have any personal achievement to their names and not eat for days on end if it meant he would finally answer their question.

And everyone here knows what question that is, right?

But he is like all liars. He distracts you. Makes you think he answered it. You are briefly satisfied, until you realize he has left and you are still no better off. But you don't want to admit you are no better off. You put all this effort. You came all this way. You look back and your life is a hollow empty shell. You have gained nothing personally from the experience. You do not want to return to your life because it is a wasted effort. You had crouched in your huddled apartment for a month refusing to go out with your friends because you were saving up money to go see Morrissey. You had begged your family, your co-workers, and your friends to give you the needed break to go see him. It's all about what you sacrificed. It made the trip to see him that much more special because you proudly starved yourself out of things you hoped to have just to see him.

You get there to the show, all smiles, joyous, and desperate, and he looks into your anonymous face and he runs away.

Something incredibly heartbreaking, isn't it?

But it's so addictive. He had his hand stretched towards you. He looked very sincere. You think that maybe it was someone else's fault. The security was bad. The other fans were annoying. You think that maybe next time, all those other unfortunate obstacles will dissipate and he will do what he really meant to do. After all, he told you that he loved you. Why would such a man who had it rough for so many years trifle with such an emotion if he didn't mean it? Surely, the word "love" must mean more to him than most since he doesn't throw it around lightly.

But that's not the sort of love he wants. He "loves" to see the look of disappointment across your face. He "loves" to see you try and fail. He "loves" to see you fret and frazzle yourself. The only reward you will get from him is another obstacle course.

James (the despised)
January 24, 2000, 08:02 AM
> It's sad, but he has intelligent fans out there, but he slowly
> but surely pisses them off by constantly changing tour dates or
> they get bored waiting for albums and leave and this is what
> you're left with.

> If he thinks he's doing it for the greater good, well, he's not.
> Maybe breaking the hearts of the few left when he finally hangs
> his hat, but really, who cares about many of them? He could
> nurture the new ones or the ones who liked to be challenged if
> he desired, but it's not what he wants. He'd rather test them
> and draw things out until they break and then pull them and test
> them some more until they can't function just to make sure he
> has the power to put them through the wringer and they show up.
> There's something incredibly sick and abusive about it.

> I don't buy that he feels so bad about himself that he doesn't
> know when he's hurting people. I just think he gets a boner from
> it, and these are the last vestiges of people who aren't loved,
> who don't know what love is, and take it because they have no
> hope of being loved. He starves his audience into submitting.
> His biggest genius is not his music or his clothing, but his
> failure to spell anything out in black and white terms. He
> teases his audience onto the stage, and runs off when they
> actually make it there. They live in hope and would gladly put
> their own lives on hold and not have any personal achievement to
> their names and not eat for days on end if it meant he would
> finally answer their question.

> And everyone here knows what question that is, right?

> But he is like all liars. He distracts you. Makes you think he
> answered it. You are briefly satisfied, until you realize he has
> left and you are still no better off. But you don't want to
> admit you are no better off. You put all this effort. You came
> all this way. You look back and your life is a hollow empty
> shell. You have gained nothing personally from the experience.
> You do not want to return to your life because it is a wasted
> effort. You had crouched in your huddled apartment for a month
> refusing to go out with your friends because you were saving up
> money to go see Morrissey. You had begged your family, your
> co-workers, and your friends to give you the needed break to go
> see him. It's all about what you sacrificed. It made the trip to
> see him that much more special because you proudly starved
> yourself out of things you hoped to have just to see him.

> You get there to the show, all smiles, joyous, and desperate,
> and he looks into your anonymous face and he runs away.

> Something incredibly heartbreaking, isn't it?

> But it's so addictive. He had his hand stretched towards you. He
> looked very sincere. You think that maybe it was someone else's
> fault. The security was bad. The other fans were annoying. You
> think that maybe next time, all those other unfortunate
> obstacles will dissipate and he will do what he really meant to
> do. After all, he told you that he loved you. Why would such a
> man who had it rough for so many years trifle with such an
> emotion if he didn't mean it? Surely, the word "love"
> must mean more to him than most since he doesn't throw it around
> lightly.

> But that's not the sort of love he wants. He "loves"
> to see the look of disappointment across your face. He
> "loves" to see you try and fail. He "loves"
> to see you fret and frazzle yourself. The only reward you will
> get from him is another obstacle course.

Oh, and I thought I was bitter.

nosejob
January 24, 2000, 06:48 PM
> It's sad, but he has intelligent fans out there, but he slowly
> but surely pisses them off by constantly changing tour dates or
> they get bored waiting for albums and leave and this is what
> you're left with.

i think your comments are a bit unreasonable.
when planning a tour you are limited to certain
days that you can play in a city/town and there
has to be a venue available and you have to give
yourself some time off now and then. the MozCats
don't generally play more than 3 nights in a row
so cut them some slack.

when putting a tour together, you book the dates
that are best suited to having a successful tour.
if a city has to be skipped for whatever reason
then you have to just deal with it.

i saw lots of posts about him going to vegas and
zona and california and then off to europe and living
on the east coast i was disappointed but at the same time
i know that he tried a winter tour in 1991 and the ticket
sales were not so great and that is possibly why so many
shows on that tour were called off.

its all about ben's jammin' baby.

part of touring is because you like to tour.
part of touring is making some money, be it selling
tickets, selling merchandise, selling records (the least
profitable of all of these)

there is still about a 1 month gap between the last east coast
date and the first mexico date.

dates will be added. some cities will be happey, some won't.
not only is it not personal, much of it is beyond the control
of Morrissey, Boz, Alain, Spike and Gaz.

Crisostimo
January 24, 2000, 07:00 PM
Oh, no...sounds like another "bitter because of unrequited love from morrissey" case, or perhaps he was beat with a smiths vinyl when he was young. Poor guy.

oh but I do
January 24, 2000, 09:34 PM
He's a very manipulative man and he, let's face it, EXTORTS 'love' from his fans. He shamlessly exploits the sex issue to keep people interested. I think part of the reason why he was so vague about the racism issue was that he was testing us, seeing how much his fans would endure and still remain faithful. He hurts people (he hurt US) and then delights in seeing them crawl back for more. 'I can do anything to you and you'll still love me'. It's sick. It's sad. It's sickest and saddest when you hear his fans mindlessly heaping abuse on Mike Joyce or bashing dance music just because Morrisey does. Morrissey is a very NEGATIVE person and his fans absorb a lot of that. That said, the Smiths were brilliant and Morrissey's music rawks. I don't buy any of Morrissey's myths (sad man, lonely man, helpless victim of envious enemies) but he is SO entertaining. You can't take him too seriously if you want to remain sane.

Did I mention that he's sexy? Oi!




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Jesse James
January 26, 2000, 07:19 PM
> It's sad, but he has intelligent fans out there, but he slowly
> but surely pisses them off by constantly changing tour dates or
> they get bored waiting for albums and leave and this is what
> you're left with.

Now see here; Morrissey is just a guy who happens to make the best rock'n'roll records around. But I think you expect a little too much of him. I can only speak for myself, but I've got better things to do with my life than mope about wondering weather or not Morrissey loves me. Frankly, I don't care, as long as he keeps making good records. He can nurse whatever nurosis he likes. Don't deify the man, just enjoy his songs. If, as in your case, attending a concert requires starvation and excessive sacrife I suggest your priorities may be somewhat out of order.