MOZ/SMITHS TOTP VOTE HERE NOW (UK)!

[Girl Drowning]

Hey guys. Could everyone please go to the following and vote for which song you'd like to see on TOTP2. Here are the results so far:

1: Heaven Knows I'm Miserable 14 ( 10%)
2: This Charming Man 24 ( 17%)
3: What Difference Does It Make 17 ( 12%)
4: William It Was Really Nothing 6 ( 4%)
5: How Soon Is Now 30 ( 21%)
6: Sheila Take A Bow 7 ( 5%)
7: Shoplifters Of The World Unite 2 ( 1%)
8: The Boy With The Thorn 6 ( 4%)
9: Alma Maters 0 ( 0%)
10: Every Day Is Like Sunday 14 ( 10%)
11: Interesting Drug 5 ( 3%)
12: Last of the International 3 ( 2%)
13: My Love Life 1 ( 1%)
14: November Spawned A Monster 2 ( 1%)
15: Pregnant For The Last Time 1 ( 1%)
16: Roy's Keen 6 ( 4%)
17: The More You Ignore Me 4 ( 3%)
18: We Hate It When Our 3 ( 2%)
Total so far: 145

Come on guys, we've all got most of them on vid but Roy's Keen was never aired so it would be a great one to see. I'm SO sick of seeing This Charming Man and How Soon.

Yay for Moz on telly!

GDx

[GenderNectar]

[why must i come here? aaaaand why do i hang around?]

either the more you ignore me or william it was really nothing

[david!]

[Girl Drowning]

[Regan why regan...for want of my love.]

bUT gEnDeR ITS COLDER AND DARKER HERE IN cAnAdA where we live ,will be ok over here moz fans of the north unite and take over.....

[fenriswolf]

I wish I lived in the U.K. as well...the United States is fucked in the ass!

[suzanne]

> I wish I lived in the U.K. as well...the United States is fucked in the
> ass!

no you don't. i went to glasgow university, and even though the surroundings were nice and the scots were very nice, you couldn't help but notice that us and the english were having to huddle together at the same lunch tables....that is, the english only did it because they were in scotland and few in numbers and were equally outcast as yourself. when you went to london they were of course, more than numerous and they had nothing to do with ya.

[david!]

yn fy marn i, scottish people are far more considerate than the English...

[david!]

[blah]

Oh do be quiet - As someone who has lived in Both Scotland and England I will tell you that neither country really shone through as being more considerate than the other... not that they aren't, but to say English people just huddled round tables in Glasgow is pretty silly.

Perhaps in your experience Suzanne, but remember Univeristy life doesn't reflect REAL life in all respects.

[suzanne]

> Oh do be quiet - As someone who has lived in Both Scotland and England I
> will tell you that neither country really shone through as being more
> considerate than the other... not that they aren't, but to say English
> people just huddled round tables in Glasgow is pretty silly.

that was what i saw. the dorm i was living at was mostly scots, but at suppertime, there was a table of the handful of english people who so happened to be living there and attending that university.

but i'll argue with you on the latter point. scots are better people because they generally seemed to be caring and would work with you. the english only wish they were as nice as the french, that's how standoffish and unhelpful they are. and i've been through london enough times to know.

with that said, i think there is only so far you get with either of them. underlying it, the scots are kinda bitter towards outsiders because they're used to being the nobodies that get exploited and nobody cares about, so they get annoyed if you mispronounce culzean for example, even if they all fall over in spasms trying to make them understand how the name Schroeder is pronounced.

> Perhaps in your experience Suzanne, but remember Univeristy life doesn't
> reflect REAL life in all respects.

maybe not in fending for yourself in finding food and housing, but in the social realm, it pretty much does. its the same hierarchy of who you feel comfortable hanging out with. it reminded me of highschool when the few black people who attended all sat at the same table at lunch. you can't tell me they didn't exactly feel comfortable.

[watfordtakeabow]

After watching the god-awful totp2, with the usual suspects of Spandau Ballet, Boney-M and A-Ha, I got so frustrated that I emailed Steve Wright telling him he should show The Smiths or Moz. Am I the cause of this latest vote?

[bruce]

which fucking muppet is voting for this charming man? how many times have you seen it? get something less played on.

wankers.

[Girl Drowning]

Come on guys, we've seen these a MILLION times. I'm now appealing to all non-UK fans who'll probably never see this to help us out and vote Roys Keen. This was never shown over here as it charted at 43, but Moz recorded it anyway.

PLEASE. It only takes 5 seconds.

*BEGGING*

GDx

http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp2/vote/index.shtml

Results so far:

1: Heaven Knows I'm Miserable 14 ( 8%)
2: This Charming Man 30 ( 17%)
3: What Difference Does It Make 17 ( 10%)
4: William It Was Really Nothing 8 ( 5%)
5: How Soon Is Now 36 ( 21%)
6: Sheila Take A Bow 8 ( 5%)
7: Shoplifters Of The World Unite 4 ( 2%)
8: The Boy With The Thorn 6 ( 3%)
9: Alma Maters 0 ( 0%)
10: Every Day Is Like Sunday 16 ( 9%)
11: Interesting Drug 5 ( 3%)
12: Last of the International 4 ( 2%)
13: My Love Life 1 ( 1%)
14: November Spawned A Monster 5 ( 3%)
15: Pregnant For The Last Time 1 ( 1%)
16: Roy's Keen 10 ( 6%)
17: The More You Ignore Me 5 ( 3%)
18: We Hate It When Our 4 ( 2%)
Total so far: 174
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VOTE HERE - PLEEEEEEEEAAAASE (http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp2/vote/index.shtml)

[blah]

What is it that you are saying, exactly?

I mean, you started off by saying that the UK wasn't a preferable place to live than the U.S, which as someone who frequently enjoys gigs, distinct British humour, great pubs, wonderful scenery (especially in Yorkshire), tradition, culture and of course The Smiths and Morrissey... struck me as a bit strange.

The U.K. is a great place to live and I'm so glad I live here rather than the U.S. That's my personal opinion... but I'm a bit confused as to some of the things you said about English people in Scotland.

University is one thing, but passing judgement on a whole race of people just by the way they sat in the refectory is a completely different metter... surely?

[CrushingBore]

Well, why don't we settle this amicably, and the whole lot of you can all emigrate to Australia (you're more than welcome - I've got plenty of room, but you may need to provide your own teabags)? Thereby ensuring we're treated to another Moz tour within the next 20-odd years, which is all I ask from this life or the next.

[suzanne]

> What is it that you are saying, exactly?

> I mean, you started off by saying that the UK wasn't a preferable place to
> live than the U.S, which as someone who frequently enjoys gigs, distinct
> British humour, great pubs, wonderful scenery (especially in Yorkshire),
> tradition, culture and of course The Smiths and Morrissey... struck me as
> a bit strange.

> The U.K. is a great place to live and I'm so glad I live here rather than
> the U.S. That's my personal opinion... but I'm a bit confused as to some
> of the things you said about English people in Scotland.

are you a native brit or are you an american living in the UK? that would help establish a few things in your argument and clarify what you're trying to say.

of course america has its problems. the government being one, but considering where i am on the social and political hierarchy, that's almost inconsequential regardless of what country i'm in, outside of having to register with the NHS or dealing with the crap that is HMOs of course. I didn't feel strangely different in what i was given as to my personal freedoms, etc.

i'm in a university town, so i have all the access to bars and liquor that i can hope for. if i feel like it right now, i could take a trip on HWY 71 and look around the hill country, or fly to Virginia, New England, San Francisco, or any of the numerous places that have interesting history, scenery, and archetecture and haven't been hit by the cookie cutter stores like World Market and the Container Store.

i'll admit my music obsessions made me more than eager to try it, even though i never really had high regards for the UK before i went down this path. however, it just wasn't going to work. I didn't want to be one of those americans who said "wankers" "cheers" and all that, but i felt like i was altering myself too much even without that because there was culture shock, and it was on parts of my being that threw me into confusion, and not the sort of thing that a 30 minute episode of monty python really addresses in their show.

there is also a lot of morrissey's stuff that i don't really identify with as a person. i never lived in council estates, or was dirt poor, or went to catholic school and beaten up by my teachers and had the minimal education a person needs, or got to go to punk rock shows when i was 12 and dyed my hair weird colors, or lived at home with no complaints from mom, writing bios on James Dean and trying to form a band long after everyone in my class had gone on to do something with themselves, or dabbled in the transgendered stuff, or lived in a crumbling industrial city, or had parents who were immigrants, or formed a highly praised band, or had court battles with ex-members, etc. i'm just a kid who grew up in suburbia.

so as you can see, i don't have to completely identify with where he's coming from to enjoy his stuff. and because i own all of his studio albums, it doesn't mean that i'm an honorary brit.

> University is one thing, but passing judgement on a whole race of people
> just by the way they sat in the refectory is a completely different
> metter... surely?

like i said....microcosm of the outside universe. if they were good friends outside of the cafeteria, wouldn't they be sitting with one another inside?

that, and some of the occasional conversations with them would elicit the fact they didn't seem to like the english too much. some guy who worked at Radio Clyde once told me that even radio one didn't do too well in scotland and Radio Clyde was much more listened to because the people in England think that everyone is all the same, but the scottish have their own tastes and ways of doing things. and it wasn't too shortly after i left that devolution took place. not like it was les miserables in the streets by a longshot, but it was very polite.

[dexter]

Lordy lordy gendernectar...look what you started!!

[GenderNectar]

> Lordy lordy gendernectar...look what you started!!

LOL! Oops. Erm...I just want to live in the UK so I can watch Top of the Pops and snag me a hot, sexy British fella who will make me swoon with his lovely accent. One problem though. My name is Tara and for some reason you crazy Brits insist on putting an 'r' at the end of my name. So to you -- i'm Terror. No good. I'll have to change me name.

P.S I live in the best country in the world. If Canada was full of hot, sexy Brits...it would be Utopia.

[LoafingOaf - The Official Online Stud]

> What is it that you are saying, exactly?

> I mean, you started off by saying that the UK wasn't a preferable place to
> live than the U.S, which as someone who frequently enjoys gigs, distinct
> British humour, great pubs, wonderful scenery (especially in Yorkshire),
> tradition, culture and of course The Smiths and Morrissey... struck me as
> a bit strange.

Well, gee, every place has gigs, a distinct sense of humor, bars, scenery, tradition, and culture!

> The U.K. is a great place to live and I'm so glad I live here rather than
> the U.S. That's my personal opinion... but I'm a bit confused as to some
> of the things you said about English people in Scotland.

I wouldn't wanna live anywhere but America. I'm sure the UK is really nice, as are many places in Europe. If I had to live in Europe I'd probably choose Sweden. But anyway, I choose America because it's the freest and most individualistic place on earth, IMHO (I don't intend to argue about this though, so if you disagree, that's fine). It's also the only country where you're not considered an "outsider" based on your blood.

> University is one thing, but passing judgement on a whole race of people
> just by the way they sat in the refectory is a completely different
> metter... surely?

People are like that everywhere.

You know when people were unusually nice and open to everyone at college, for me anyway? During the orientation week, when almost everybody was completely alone, or knew maybe a few people at most. People were so fucking nice for like two weeks, because we were all in the same lonely, insecure boat. Didn't last though.

[CrushingBore]

> I wouldn't wanna live anywhere but America. I'm sure the UK is really
> nice, as are many places in Europe. If I had to live in Europe I'd
> probably choose Sweden. But anyway, I choose America because it's the
> freest and most individualistic place on earth, IMHO (I don't intend to
> argue about this though, so if you disagree, that's fine).

I know you don't want an argument, but I must say Americans are in my experience (and I have lived there - I'm not just mouthing off) a little too inclined to believe their own rhetoric on this whole "freedom" question. Firstly, it's a pretty nebulous concept, anyway. Secondly, in terms of political debate, I found the mainstream media from which most Americans derive their information, to be rather narrowly-focussed in terms of the breadth of opinions which were canvassed on a number of significant issues, and I get the sense that this has narrowed substantially since September 11.

And as far as detaining Greenpeace activists on anti-terrorism laws, arresting and detaining indefinitely individuals who have overstayed their visas, torturing prisoners at Guantanamo bay (and before you get shirty - that item came from The Washington Post, and was comprehensively ignored by mainstream media), murdering prisoners on death row, refusing to fund aid projects directed towards birth control, non-payment of dues to the UN, and then using that same body to railroad the world into a war on Iraq motivated more by spite than any terrorist threat, seeking to plunder that nation's oil resources as "spoils of war" (as some in the White House are presently advocating, funding death squads in Latin America, funding, resourcing and supporting tin-pot dictators when it suits America's agenda (like one Saddam Hussein), refusing to be party to multilateral international agreements, attempting to assissinate foreign political leaders, etc etc, I really don't know that America can lay claim to being the "freest" nation on earth.

America is an unbelievably diverse place, and you are right - I found Americans generally among the most racially-tolerant people on earth. But there certainly large pockets of conservatism, backward-looking unreconstructed Jim Crow-type individuals. I'm just saying the tolerance you speak of is not universal, but by and large appears less obvious and offensive than the views and actions of the European right.

Anyway, I'm not seeking to slag America off - I'd gladly live there again - but I just think this whole "land of the free" thing is a bit of a furphy. America is as free and democratic as anywhere in the world, but it's no utopia.

[Patrick McCann]

> LOL! Oops. Erm...I just want to live in the UK so I can watch Top of the
> Pops and snag me a hot, sexy British fella who will make me swoon with his
> lovely accent. One problem though. My name is Tara and for some reason you
> crazy Brits insist on putting an 'r' at the end of my name. So to you --
> i'm Terror. No good. I'll have to change me name.

> P.S I live in the best country in the world. If Canada was full of hot,
> sexy Brits...it would be Utopia.

The girls I met in Canada led me to the belief that there was no such thing as an innocent Canadian girl. Ah well, there's always one I suppose.
And what is it with your love of our accents? A couple of minutes of old Scottish stuff and those Nova Scotians were ripe for the picking. Grrrrrrreat.
One girl I got to know called my accent a 'pantyhose remover'.
We had a good laugh at that one.
Cheerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs.

[GenderNectar]

> The girls I met in Canada led me to the belief that there was no such
> thing as an innocent Canadian girl. Ah well, there's always one I suppose.
> And what is it with your love of our accents? A couple of minutes of old
> Scottish stuff and those Nova Scotians were ripe for the picking.
> Grrrrrrreat.
> One girl I got to know called my accent a 'pantyhose remover'.
> We had a good laugh at that one.
> Cheerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs.

Hey! What are you trying to say? I'm as innocent as a school girl.

LMAO @ "pantyhose remover". Yep. I can see that. I don't know what it is. They're sooooooooooooo sexy! Mmm.

[Regan why regan...for want of my love.]

> LOL! Oops. Erm...I just want to live in the UK so I can watch Top of the
> Pops and snag me a hot, sexy British fella who will make me swoon with his
> lovely accent. One problem though. My name is Tara and for some reason you
> crazy Brits insist on putting an 'r' at the end of my name. So to you --
> i'm Terror. No good. I'll have to change me name.

> P.S I live in the best country in the world. If Canada was full of hot,
> sexy Brits...it would be Utopia.

Canada is the best country in the world but dont tell them !Ita all ares muhawhawhaw!!!

[suzanne]

> Canada is the best country in the world but dont tell them !Ita all ares
> muhawhawhaw!!!

"its all 'ares'?" don't tell, am, is, was, were, and do, does, did about that because they are feeling pretty left out.

[Regan why regan...for want of my love.]

> "its all 'ares'?" don't tell, am, is, was, were, and do, does,
> did about that because they are feeling pretty left out.

------AAHHHHHH FUCK OFF BITCH

[Tingle]

As I was coming to work this morning in London I heard a WW2 style air-raid siren . I don't know what it was for but it made me feel heartily sick.

[Patrick McCann]

> Hey! What are you trying to say? I'm as innocent as a school girl.
That's what I said! There's always one who's different.

> LMAO @ "pantyhose remover". Yep. I can see that. I don't know
> what it is. They're sooooooooooooo sexy! Mmm.

What does LMAO mean? Sorry if it's obvious but I can't speak a word of computerish.

[GenderNectar]

> That's what I said! There's always one who's different.

> What does LMAO mean? Sorry if it's obvious but I can't speak a word of
> computerish.

It means Laughing my ass off. LOL = Laughing Out Loud

Next lesson tomorrow -- 8:00 am. Be there.

[Patrick McCann]

> It means Laughing my ass off. LOL = Laughing Out Loud

> Next lesson tomorrow -- 8:00 am. Be there.
Hold on!! Give me a wee bit more time to remember those two.